Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology RetoldHermes Homerica: They're Making an Odyssey Movie & We Have Thoughts
In a special New Years Eve episode, Michaela and Liv discuss the news that Christopher Nolan is making an adaptation of the Odyssey... For the first time, this was recorded in person so the audio isn't ideal but there will be video available on the podcast's YouTube in the next couple of days.
CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing.
Attributions and licensing information for music used in the podcast can be found here: mythsbaby.com/sources-attributions.
Well, hi, hi, hello, it's uncomfortable. Thank you. That's helpful. Well, listeners, this is a New Year's Eve special episode.
They will almost certainly be on video if I can stand it, and also has recorded on my phone's microphone. So bear with us. Because Mikila is in town and so we decided to try video. But we're here for a really specific reason.
And that is what one of silence so talk about the Christopher Nolan Odyssey announcement.
Today's episode is an experiment. It is on video, and we're gonna record it or release it as a just audio. Yeah.
Uh, the video will not go up at the same time as the audio.
So if you're listening to it and you want to watch video, wait like two days because we got stuff to do and we're recording this like ten hours before it has to come out on the podcast seed, so the video will be a minute.
But Mikila just happened to be in town and then they.
Announced Christopher Nolan's Odyssey, and I am trying to be kind in general, I would say, okay, I don't.
Know quite how to begin this because so many opinions.
I will let's begin with Yeah, it's exciting that the Odyssey is being remade in a big budget movie.
That is that is specifically the Odyssey the book itself, and it's not sort of like a or like a little subsection like it seems to.
It seems like it's they're gonna try to do the whole thing to an extent in whatever way that Troy I have a feeling's like Troy Troy was the Iliot, But it's not sort of like a inspired by the Odissey or like it is it is. It's they're calling it an Odyssey adaptation, which is exciting and Christopher Nolan, I would say, broadly is exciting. I saw somebody comment on some article I was reading, and they commented that, like, also, we're drinking.
Thanks. They commented that, like, the Odyssey generally is.
A really perfect Christopher Nolan movie because it plays around with time and unreliable narration and all of this stuff, which I think is so true, and like I think therefore it has the potential to be really interesting, like I do think generally other than my own now, I have so much trouble with all Western Hollywood, Like I just feel like GE's so white washed, and this is not making that opinion any less, and so just generally like just having this movie attached to like just deeply western.
He's British, I think.
Christopher Nolan, you know what, he's British or American either way.
And asked me to name a Christopher Nolan film. I couldn't. Really, I don't want. I don't watch movies, so I don't like I know the villains, but like, yeah, I.
Probably have seen a Christopher see his Batman's.
Those are good? No, I haven't those are Christopher the I was gonna say the Christopher Nolan. Want the Christian Bale ones. I've seen the one with Keith Ledger. I've seen that. That's a Christopher Nolan. I haven't seen any other ones.
Okay, well, all of the Christian Bale Batman's are good, I will say, Okay, how Hiver, But it would be it would be nice to see what did he do Inception? Yeah, which is very like I think Inception is the one where people are connecting the most to the Odyssey because it's like, yeah, plenty of time and unreliable narrators and all that. Like Batman is a bad example of a Christopher movie because it was Batman, but like Inception Interstellar or like those ones.
I feel like Oppenheimer was also him right.
Maybe I don't know, I don't care, but it would be really interesting because that's the thing I like about the Odyssey, is it that it's set up as you know, you get the beginning where you see Telemachus deel like all his business, his drama, his.
His his woes, and then you get meets Odysseus and it is given the story of what happened through his lens.
Yeah, and that's what I really enjoy about the Odyssey. Well, and it is unreliable narrator, which I really I think.
I think overall it would be really really interesting.
To see a Christopher Nolan adaptation of the Odyssey and you could hear the butt coming, because I.
I think overall that's a really really interesting concept. And I generally if you were if the announcement was just Christopher Nolan is adapting the Honesty, I'd.
Be like, oh, actually, I'm interested in that. Actually, I think that could be really good. Actually I'm really interested is it? But then they cast Matt Damon.
They might not have they might not Matt Damon might not be Odysseus.
Worse.
So the speculation did have any anyone who hasn't already read this news the speculation so that the cast as announced, it seems like the cast is official. What they haven't announced officially is like who's playing who? So we just have like these numbers these actors, and so there's been a lot of speculation about who's gonna play who, but like the number, the number one male actor who's.
Been cast is Matt Dateman. Yeah, and like, honestly, I just think it sounds like a joke. Like I just think it sounds like someone was like, what.
If you decided to make like a joke like satirical cast of the honesty, like who would be like who's the big Hollywood actor, who's like the least appropriate to play?
Like if you were the guess like the least appropriate Spirit. I'm just think and say Spirit. He was only frame of reference apparently from my dament is goodwill hunting in.
Spirit the horse, which I think says a lot about her like connection with movies over the last twenty years.
I just wanted to take like, yeah, I've never.
Seen Spirit and I don't not thinking about it something that's about a horse.
It's a hot one. Well, well, I mean I've seen Robin Hood. It's fine.
Yeah, but like no, so Matt Damon is odyssy. It's truly like, I really if you are working with this movie and you're listening, I promise I'm actually really excited at like, I will take your money.
I will, I will promote it.
That would be great, is the premiere, I would be fine, extremely excited for it, though, I will say but in the way that I was also so extremely excited for Gladiator two, knowing that my degree or like my what I study is not actually gonna help me as much as I'd like to think. But do you mean that they did not historically put great white sharks in the Colosseum?
Absolutely know they did not. But in our modern world, I know this is not about badat or too, but it could be.
Finus was emperor for ten minutes, official sponsor of the show Gladiator Too. No, but for Realty two was actually pretty enjoyable. It's just that there were great white sharks in the Coloseum. And it's what's funny to me about this particular fact about Bettator two. And then we will go backly talk about the honesty is that my knowledge that makes me so furious about that scene is actually completely unrelated.
To the ancient world and entirely related to sharks.
Which is to this day, in the year twenty twenty four, never have humans been able to successfully keep a great white in capactivity.
No, they have not, So you're trying to tell me that they did it in the colisee, Like, I mean, look, we didn't know how to make moman concrete for a very long time, so it's very very possible that they know about it. Is absolutely not. I'm just saying what Empire didn't with white sharks.
I'm offended and any cays it's not about rhamayor too, which was again a pretty good movie.
Astra Oscar Isaac, He's not anybody or two.
Petro Pascal was incredibly cast.
He's still my meeting heart.
Oh that would be delightful.
Oh my god. It was good. But like, the thing that I.
Like about these movies is how fun they are.
I'm happy.
But like the thing is I find it with Troy because Troy is so old that it can be like that. But when it's coming out now, it's like this fresh whitewashing of the ancient world in a way that's like, okay, so we haven't even gotten into it because.
I'm so worked up about it.
So the official cast as announced from my memory because I read like one article and then honestly, like my friend somehow the first person I heard this from was actually a good friend of mine and not a listener.
But then of course I opened up my Instagram and people were like, what if you don't have an even nice to say?
I don't saything at all, and I'm saying stuff anyway, but like, this is the official announcement, and again they haven't assigned like who's playing who?
They just announced he's after so we have Matt Damon, Tom Holland.
No.
I like that one though.
Yeah, well we'll get into that. We'll get into why that could be. Okay if it wasn't for Matt Damon.
Zidaia, which is great.
Cool, they're it together. That's nice, except for when we get to speculation and then you go, oh, god, weird.
No, and halfaway, I think it's gonna be can and no.
People affected that she's gonna be like Calypso, which is so weird.
And then like Tom Holland's partner is like sex and with his.
Dad, but that it wouldn't it be worse if she was Penelope and that was his mom, well but age appropriate and she literally couldn't be.
Yeah, but it's.
Like okay and Hathaway, Lupitagnogo, who's amazing grade and anyone else.
That's all I can remember right now.
That's who matters, quite frankly, because the speculation is that like magic mens odysias, which again like shoot me off into the moon. If you see this, I'm not sorry about David.
You can handle it. You're fine, You're fine. I loved you in spirit.
I loved you and absolutely nothing we got this, Like I just I'm excited. This is video honestly, but they were the first video podcast of this, the first Let's Talk of Its.
Baby episode that's on video. Ever's just me going but.
No, it's so fair, but like it's funny because like this, this is a cast that if my life were different, I would just be like okay, but the thing for me and the reason why and I when my friend texted me this, like I it when I say that it ruined my night, Like I'm only being like this dramatic, like most of that is true.
It honestly like it brought me down this tick where it's just like it made me love.
Yeah, I and she was just like cackling at my discomfort, made my because you sent me a whole voice message. I said, oh and a half minutes and I was just crying. But yeah, I recorded a three minute voice no to MICHAELA because I didn't know how to tell her this news and any other way.
I loved it. It was great. Maybe I could included it.
Might be what's that saved it? Maybe you'll hear it saved. It's definitely saved. I definitely have it.
But I know, yeah, the Matt damon of all is questionable.
Truly because also like so the speculation like I read this article Gizmo on Gizmoto, and so there was some speculation on Gizmoto, and I honestly think that the speculation is I can't I can't actually think of an alternative.
Oh surely Saren is the other one. Surely Saren? Oh yeah, yeah is the name I forgot.
So the speculation of this, specifically this Gizmoto article was like, Matt, I can't say it without laughing.
Tom Hollands Telemachus. Where did they go kish?
Yeahs whom, Well we don't know, but do you want to know?
Okay, so hold on right in there, falls.
Off the.
He would kill it. I would do if that.
Honestly, if Robert Pattinson was cast as the guy who falls off the roof and then comes to Odysseus in the underworld.
You fuck off, like, I would be thrilled. Actually, that would be really amazing. He is great. He's so grud sure no.
Like, Honestly, the thing about this cast is I'm not mad about it overall.
I'm mad about Matt Damon.
I will I will never come around.
That's fine. I'm fucking furious, and you have it.
I'm I'm not even so much furious as I am, like just so disappointed in Christopher Nolans for not having sense, for not having for any Like if I was to guess a satirical cast of the Honesty featuring like Hollywood's top actors, like, only then would I cast Matt Damon. I've been joking with my friends that the only personal worse is Ben Affleck. But they are interchangeably, they are interchangeable people. But then you have Makila made a really great point that like the.
Actually would be a better Odysseus.
And so the idea of saying that Matt d or that Ben Affleck would be a better Odysseus, then the man cast as Odysseus is like, I just think of those pictures of him where he just looks tired the thing, and I think that that is like makes it all so much sadder because that's the movie we're gonna get, like again, Ben Affleck. Apparently, I'm hoping if Ben Affleck gets attached to this movie, I'm honestly going on strike, like I don't know, maybe the show ends, maybe maybe No, I'm saying if they add ben Affleck, because there's been a lot of I was told Laura Jenkinson Brown of Greek myth Comics, who's also been the show, and she's gonna come back to talk about Odyssey more than this.
Actually we had a whole plan to talk about Stephen Fry's Odyssey, and then this happened, and I was like, well, I guess we have.
Anyway, Laura, and we're talking and she kept mixing up Ben Affleck. I jokingly told her that like if the only thing were worse, would Ben Affleck, and then she kept mixing up like who.
Was actually casting, like back and forth with like because they're interchangeable white men.
But like to me, Ben Affleck being cast as Odysseus is if it is stupider even than Brad Pitt as Achilles, which because Brad Pitt like owned that at least Brad Pitt was kind of the good at the time though in Hollywood. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because he is pop not he was that characters, Like even if we're doing Christopher Nolan, like it sounds like he's you know, he's cast it with like his favorite people, right, like most of these people are.
Repeats for him.
And even still, like I can think of Christopher Nolan related actors who would be better, Like I could think of a bazillion of them, Like, there are just so many actors better for Odysseus than Matt Jamon, literally all of them. But in seriousness, this cast is horribly depressing in terms of like broadly whitewashing or realized I didn't actually get where this is so.
Rambly because I don't know how to handle it.
But this is a New Year's Eve episode and I'm thrilled or able to provide.
It, but like so yeah.
So the other casting that this speculated was Zadea as Calypso, which again unhinged.
But who else would she play?
Who?
There's no young woman, no other than presumably Clypso. Who's you know?
And fat have like Athena played as a young woman because she Yeah, But then the speculation definitely like Charlie's Sarron as Athena if we're doing if we're putting gods in it, which janks Laura of Greek myth comics.
She speculates that it'll be.
Like the Iliad or like Troy, where they don't put the gods in, which is horribly depressing the skiz motto getting back to the skisz moto.
So they speculated again that Charlie Sarron would play Athena. They didn't have that we would play Penelope.
I actually could see that, but but I didn't see it.
Here's something about I.
Think Charlie sarahon would do a better job with Penelope than a happy Absolutely, I think Charlie sarah might be the.
Best casting Yea in this movie.
And like and again Tom Holland as Telemachus with Matt Damon is great. I actually think he could play an amazing Yeah, but with another another actor as is about a dad, yes.
A daddy, but truly.
Like this, this casting feels to me like we've gone back in time, like like all of the growth we've had, maybe is that I've believed we've had as a society in terms of classical reception, like that all if that is gone, Like this makes Gladiator to casting lily white British guys as Syrian to me, no Syrian Libyan emperors like the whitest men you've ever seen in your life. It makes that look like not so bad because these the casting is like I want to say, it's American.
I recognize that a lot of these people are not American, but it's so white colonial. It's just also very very who's who of Hollywood exactly.
It feels more like let's put these names into a movie versus let's be an actor. It's like this mad libs of like Hollywood actors. Like it doesn't feel to me like serious casting based on the it feels like casting based on fame. Yes, yeah, and like I wish I was surprised, but no, But we also need movies like.
This every once in a while because they're ridiculous. It just had them. Sorry, it's the honesty. That's the thing.
That's my thing is it could be literally any other ancient Greek thing probably and I wouldn't.
Be so upset and like, I just honestly can't think about that, damns. But they're laughing and then think that.
It's affecting me so personally, and this is me very selfishly complaining about my life. The little d is that I am going to have to spend the next I think it's coming out, and oh also it's coming out literally on is it coming out like almost.
My birthday to the day.
It's coming out like two days before my birthday, which is also like the eight year anniversary of this podcast.
I think, so yeah, that's so soon.
I know, might maybe it's twenty twenty six, okay, either way, set for July seventeenth, happy birthday to be literally my friend who was with me when.
I got the news, she literally just turned to me as at happy friends.
No, but like it's I don't even know where I was going with that because I'm just so horrified. Oh no, my my personal complaint is that I'm going to have to spend the next however many months fielding Like I love listeners interacting with me about this stuff, but it tends to be that I get asked like thirty times every couple of months, like when this stuff is coming out, have you heard about this?
Yeah?
And like and that's fine, And normally I'm like, yeah, I have, Like that's fine, thank you for telling me again, But like, this one is just going to be a constant reminder of how that Matt Damon is playing Odysseus. I truly, truly don't think like I think, I'm so lost in how poorly cast Matt Damon is and I can't imagine a worst actor to play Odysseus.
Matt Damon as Odysseus. I just love how it intends you are. I know it's truly upsetting to you.
Oh yeah it is, so I'm legitimately upset, like laughing about it because I I I've wanted an Odyssey adaptation forever. I have spent eight years of this podcast, like joking about as Sean Bean Odyssey, about how like the Odyssey we never got after Troy, about how like the Odyssey would make like an incredible epic, and then we get it and it's Matt Damon. I take back everything I ever said about wanting an Odyssey adaptation because that is a joke. And if we really do have Zendia fast as Calypso, like that's unhinged.
It's yeah, it's little.
It's like those two should stop and be like, let's let's look at the let's think about these characters about beyond, especially because if they are if they're gonna play up the fucking.
Uh, I'm reliable about it all, like like two reliable get so.
Like, well, that's something that Lupita Nyongo is the one they're speculating.
As cercy, which also having the two women of color play these like seductrous divinities on these islands, like that's gross. And then the white American of Anne Hathaway and Matt Damon is like they're.
The least Greek looking people ever.
And I know that Hollywood has this complete inability to wrap their heads around the fact that if they look in Greek mythology, they should probably look at Greek people or at least Mediterranean people and not like lily white Americans. But even if they have to go for lily white Americans, not David and Hathway. I don't know complaints against them. Anne Hathaway, she's a good actress.
She's not Penelope, though she's a little took.
All the women in the Odyssey are some of the I mean, like generally women we get in Homer are very intelligent, well rounded, complex women, but we are seeing them through this male perspective. Yeah, and especially when we look at the Odyssey, like Calypso and Circe is so I mean, Calypso is.
A bit I mean goddess of at all, but sirc Is, she's.
So complex and she's so much more than just this.
Well and as Sirce wouldn't be incredible if they weren't only making.
The women of color.
Yeah, these characters, like like if there were a but if it was an actually diverse cast, as an ancient Mediterranean should always fucking be Like if it was actually diverse, and you know, Lucida Yango is like one woman of color amongst many playing starc should be incredible. Ye, Like yeah, actually, in terms of casting amazing, But when you look at the casting of women of color, maybe as only these like divine s andductresses.
That's when it gets ick. This is what I think.
She would actually make an amazing Penelope.
Yeah, because Penelope is she would make a smart, intelligent.
But she could be a woman. She would I would.
Love to see her. I love Anne Hathaway, but she maybe she could do it. She could because she could have outside of what we normally see her doing. That trip would be good. Penelope is as and halfways Penelope.
Is like predictable in a not interesting way, but that could you could play on my expectations really well.
But Lupeed like because Penelope is such an.
Amazing character where she is this woman that is just handling her ship so well and having to deal with all these decisions by these men around her.
And she has to live in this world and she plays it so well.
Yeah, and that she is really run in the show in a lot of ways and it's amazing and I would love to see that Penelope. Yeah, Lupita is Penelope would be incredible. But the thing is that I think we can be fairly certain that's not happening.
Given they've cast Tom Holland as we can only assume Telemachus because who else would be Oh that reminds me of the fucking Adhd at all the Gizmotos suggested because they seem to believe that the gods would be involved, which would be really cool.
But also this person for Gizmoto, I'm not certain as read the Odyssey, just like maybe Google two is in it or like broadly, because they suggested that Robert Pattinson could play Are ready take a guess?
Actually, I'm guessing it's a god based Yeah, so if I have to guess what god Pattiston would be, I would want it to be.
But also think about how many gods are in the Odyssey. Oh, because the answer is zero? Yeah, I know that's true.
That's it, and we have it just in the beginning being tell Maxis's dad.
Yeah, but if I if I'm just thinking of Greek gods and what god, I'd want to see Robert Patterson as And this is not me being used, but I'd love to see him as Hermes.
Interesting. I could say that I could see him being a really good Apollo.
Oh yeah, but like Jomis is such a sally good guy. Well, and I think he could be a really good shitty Apollo. Oh yeah, I could. But this person exactly. The seculation was that even play Besideon, which is hilarious because that is.
Not in the Odyssey. The referenced in the just kind of like makes some waves.
He's a concept is almost never personified in any If Patterson plays on the cycle.
I don't as down.
I would be absolutely down if they like Cegi Robert Pattinson with one eye and enormous and just make some polychemist and make him like really sympathetic, because Polychaemis is legit and sympathetic, Like that would be great. The thing is is that, like, based on this casting, I don't think they're gonna do anything creative.
I think it's going to be exactly as you expect.
I think it's gonna be the most predictable, Western, whitewashed version of the Odyssey. I would love to be wrong, to be clear, and like, yes, I this is funny that we're even recording this, because like, there are so many pieces of reception that people ask me to talk about all the time, and I as a rule don't like to shit on reception because I think all of it, all of it is worthwhile and it's interesting, and I don't like to.
Insult other people's work.
Or just like I don't want to ever like be complain about another person's art because I think that that's just like wrong or but like, and I think there's a lot about art that is personal. What touches you is is something that's inside of it exactly.
So why I don't call it in books because I don't want to ruin it for anyone.
If I don't like this, you know, another person who hears it is like, oh they don't like something that, Yeah, and I don't.
I don't like to do that, but I'll tell you where I'm saying now. I think even as Obisseus is on, you know.
If you identify as Matt Damon is as Disseus, maybe to talk to the people I think, I think I think that if you think that Matt Damon could play a good Odysseus, you need to read the odys now.
If you think it's.
Funny, Yeah, absolutely, if they were playing this for comedy, and he was gonna be like a doofye like Odysseus, like who is like a messy loser who lets.
All of his men die, and then like maybe Matt Damon could be good. But I am willing to bet.
A comfortable hundred dollars that that is not how they will play this, because it's Christopher Nolan, because it's Matt Damon, because it's they.
Want to turn it into this boo. They want to play up the CGI in the time and the idea of Matt Damon playing that Odysseus. Yeah, no, that's really the am reaction.
The man wasn't we bought a zoo?
Do we all?
Well with Scarlet Johanson? He bought a zoo. It's a terrible movie. That's okay, that's fine. It's based on a book. It's fine. It's not a good movie. Think about Daimon is the most basic white man. I just think he is.
He's a blank slate of a white man. Yeah, he is the least Mediterranean looking. Yeah, that's like, that's he's so not Mediterran.
Odysseus is. I don't like o Disseus. I think you know this, you know how I feel Odysseus. Odysseus is a bad dad. He's really bad. He's a piece of ship. But that doesn't mean we get back Daimon to play him.
Anyone who says that, oh, circumstances, No, even those circumstances it's his fault.
And then he comes back home and then he immediately leaves. He's a bad dad, okay, and Cala only cares about him as a father. I just think generally is interesting. Absolutely, he's a shitty dad, but also his son was shitty. So here we are. But that's his fault. I disagree. Well, that's fine, but I'll prove you. But that's provided I read yours.
You will feed it anyway you don't, I literally want, but I will also joke about not doing it.
But what makes him interesting?
And like, really, this is the lovely thing about Homer is we'll given heroes that are not shown to be morally good.
Yea, and Odysseus is I generally is not a good person, but he does interesting. Yeah, that's the thing. That's why he's my problematic faith.
Yeah, because I think he's in arguably a piece of shit, and I think he's interesting exactly.
I don't think they're trying to say, wow, look at this guy do all these things.
They're like it's like how the Iliad is not about the glory of war, but people read it it's about the glory of war, And like, I feel.
Like people even though the Odyssey is not about Odysseus being a good guy.
People read it as if he's a hero. Well, and then you you know, it's all in the first line of each of the things. You know, like the thing that's about about the Iliad is the main and it's the rage, it's the anger, it's the wrath, it's you know, it's this word that encompasses all that. And then the thing with the Odyssey is the you know, a man of many turns, the man many turns, complicated, the twisted.
It's like that is not being shown as like, wow, look at him. He's it's like, yeah, no, this is but you can't trust. Yeah, and so now we'll give him this narrative by him you can't trust, but you want to trust. I think that's where the complicated comes into. It's yving, there's there's something.
About it with there is real depth and like you want your finger on it, your gut feels just feel like Matt Damon is a person you can put your finger right on.
It'll never move. That's how I feel about mad Daemon, which you know that power to him that he's doing Okay, he doesn't need our support. He should not be Odysseus. But what if he hears this, it's only teach. He's like, Maddie, boy, drop out.
You are not I need you to be a good white man, and I need you to drop out and recommend that they cast a Mediterranean man.
If your dad's still.
Alive, I can convince him to go down to the corner story to buy pack smokes and just never come back.
That might give him smatch. He needs a little trauma. MICHAELA said it not me, and we could trouble. But maybe when they him a little more twisty and complicated.
I so interesting when you know exactly what you're going to get and that's not a bad thing.
It's not, but it's a bad thing for Odissey. It's the opposite. Play with that, and then he actually they actually managed to I'm wrong. I would love to be wrong, to be clear, like I am open to being wrong.
If Christopher Nolan proves me wrong, I will be fucking w if this ends up good.
And interesting, like I will eat my words. I will come right on here and I.
Will talk about how wrong I am because I I I so want an Odyssey adaptation.
To be good, like I want that more than anything.
I want a true adaptation that features all of Odysseus letting everyone.
Die and fucking up over and over and over again and like his own game and unabashably too, like, yeah, that's the thing that makes a diseuss soniging is he does it and he does.
Not care he thinks about himself. Yes, and it is that is what conniving a maniacal And like that's scary, is scary, and I do I actually think you're right.
I think that if they were to actually play it that way, Matt Damon could be interesting.
But it has to be done in a very specific way for him to be interesting.
And you might need your words and if you if you do, that'd be cool. I would be so thrilled to be wrong. Honestly tears down by at the end of.
The film and they proved me all now take I take it back that Damon, Like I truly I really would love this to be good, Like, yeah, if we had a good.
Auto adaptation, I would be so fucking happy. But also if it is campy and horrible, I will also love that. I so same. I like the thing.
The thing is that I think in today's world, in today's technol today's filmmaking.
They will it's they will not make it CAMPI in stupid like or.
Like, if they do, it'll be because it's clear they have absolute zero grasp on the original text with fucking Bomber, so just great too. And again, like, if this wasn't my career, and if I hadn't built my myself around loving the Odyssey, and if I didn't love the Odyssey as much as I do, like I would not be so horrified. Yeah, but like if they did this with like the Argonautica, now demon could play Jason.
Oh my is Matt Damon the perfect Jason?
Great?
Oh my god, he would be if they'd the Argonautica and an half aways playing Medeia. I mean they would be major whitewashing, obviously, but like I would actually be down for that.
I'd be down for that.
Lupidas madam, That'd be fine. I'm so happy though. Honestly, Matt Damon might be a perfect Jason. Yeah, well, let's just send them an up Chris if you're watching Christy Boy. But honestly, I love your idea, I love your enthusiasm. I want that enthusiasm for the ancient world. And need you to make Mad Damon Jason. Yes, he's a better Jason, and make.
Sure to keep her these Heracles excuse me, Heracles his boyfriend in it.
Oh heck yeah, just take that note.
I can tell you right now, and I say this with confidence, Christopher Nolan, I am more of an expert in the Odyssey than you, and I'm just gonna need you to go ahead.
And just take it all back. Just tell the studio actually based on the casting. If you can't take that Damon back, if you can't take Mad Damon back, then you need to take the Odyssey back and you need to replace it with the Argonautica. Unless you can force Matt, unless you can traumatize that take true. Can you trust David now just to light Tom. It can't be something too serious, because you know, you still got to be a person.
Who is functional and doesn't like, you know, get like a drinking problem, a serious drinking problem, or you know, a drug habit.
He probably already does, Hollywood, you know, like nothing that will ruin his life, but just enough, just enough to make some just enough to make him interested, to give a little bit behind the lines. He's the least interesting man, No, I'm sorry, Matt, I'm not really, you're so rich. I don't care what you think. But like, but also it could be good. It could be hilarious. So that's the thing. It could be so funny. The problem. The problem is, and I want to I want to go that way.
I do, but for me, I think I couldn't even if it's funny bad, I will be so caught up in the fact that like they ruined another opportunity to do a legit adaptation of.
A b and on top of that that it's just the whitewashing of it.
Like I am so tired of like British American whatever, deeply deeply colonial actors playing these characters.
Like I don't want Matt Damon to put on a shitty British accent. I don't want him to still be weirdly American, like Brad Pitt was, like, just cast a fucking great guy Turkish if you got it, I mean, we're going to Troy. That's fine, that's fucking Turkey, Like gave me Mediterranean factors.
It is a bizarre thing to to.
But it's Hollywood, man. Look at this point, it just kind of I just I mean, biggest thing. I've been disported by Hollywood my entire life.
No, I know the problem is these days, I just have so much trouble looking past it.
And all I see now is the propaganda of Hollywood and the Odyssey as Western propaganda. Like that's what he's making based on his cast. Sorry, he's making the Odyssey as Western propaganda.
To go back to dispartment in Hollywood.
Like you know, a couple of years ago, Taylor Lotna was like, turns up, guys, I'm not First Nations, And I said, you are what I know?
He never said he was, Oh they can't.
They were like really because every other Indigenous character within that whole it was.
I know they I was because they filmed where I went to school.
So they were like, any any you know, oh I can't just see in genet, I can't say what I want to say.
Any First Nations was ready to use this lure against your own people. It's fine when I say it, yeah, and he was when America it's not even a slur.
So it's just.
I'm like, I love that for you, but I just think it's funny. That's my problem.
But everybody else feels differently, and that's you feel differentely, I I understand and feel your pain and I'll watch my mouth anyways.
But I just loved that. Everybody else was. They made that effort each of their first nations. And the one character guy who was first for that like so Italian. Yeah he said it was like and all of us were like, yeah, no, okay, just put some like long hair on it went to Twilight. What was it we got?
You?
Get me out of here. I hated that, but anyways, it's not about a little bit more interesting.
Like that's just what they do.
I just keep wanting things to be better, like I keep but I should have. I mean, I don't have expectations for Hollywood. Yeah, I learned long ago now too.
Gladidder two was actually pretty fun. I think Or two had me laughing the whole time. It was pretty fun VIP seating lay because.
I don't have to watch movies, so you know, once a year I'll spend them an of money to go sit there and drink.
The whole time. I was just like, what's happening?
I spoked about a bunch of weeds before it, which is pretty great, you know. Honestly, Ladier two was great. I mean, Pedro is like we still have beating heart. Nobody else in the theater was laughing, and I was just calculate. There was like the thundery people in the theater with us, and I just kept turning to Dina being like, did.
You see did you see that? And then Denzel Washington's American accent anyway, Sorry, I the one part he goes, he goes. I don't know why. I don't know why that sticks to my brain. It's just do you like how many times they said Prince of Rome. That's not a thing that like they I mean, the emperors were kings, but.
They would never have say that they had convinced themselves that they were not a monarchy.
The kings were just emperors.
And also it was often not about familial lines. So the idea of calling him like the rifle, that's major spoilers for Badiator.
I apologize this is about they've albably seen it all. Hopefully if not, it's fine. I didn't give away what it actually means, but like, that's great anyway. I am I'm really just like I think that my biggest issue with with the Aussie casting is I'm I'm in awe of it.
I was actually shocked, like I really did expect that we'd come like even this much farther since Troy.
But to me, like it's it's like equivalent to Troy's casting for Yees, literally twenty years ago. It is not even a lick more progressive than Troy's casting. And that's fascinating. I mean, it doesn't surprise me, but I just I think I.
Want to be surprised because like it's been for one, it's been twenty years since Troy, which makes me very uncomfortable.
No, I know, but it's backed.
But we really it has been twenty twenty years since they cast a bunch of British guys as Greeks and Turkish people, and we haven't they have.
Come nowhere, like I actually think there might. There is are more Americans in the mean cast of this. There are definitely more Americans than even in Troy that says Americans were British, Like, well, no, but the thing is Toroylet's had all the British people, so it's not more British. But like I do believe there are more Americans. I have to look. I don't know, but it's just calm.
I mean, like it's Hollywood, you know, Like I understand like the wanting it to be more, but like I always kind of like to maybe maybe this is why.
They put like one Greek person in there. Now, that's asking too much? What are you thinking? Yeah, it's like how and this is maybe we're just gonna I don't know, we'll go deep.
Did you hear that they cast a Palestinian woman in a major role of Gladiator or two and then cut her out completely?
Are you serious?
Yeah?
Oh yeah, they announced her in the casting before the genocide, well the current active genocide. They cast her and they hyped her up as a major role, and then when the movie came out, a lot of prop Palestinian activists were like, where is she because you hyped her up as having gotten.
A major role. Yeah, that's really upsetting that. I won't I'm not gonna go too deep into the other side of it, but they did. They did seem to advance a role of a woman who was from Yeah. Anyway, so once again Hollywood does not surprise me and continues to disappoint me. And maybe that's just what we should that's what we should expect. Yeah, the fuck man, Jesus Demons.
I could be a better Odysseus. I could be a better Odissius. What if you were Telemachus and he's a little bitch. I want to show up in My first moment of parenting is ripping off all my clothes and killing people my son.
That's how I want to be.
A good Dada, looking at dead in the eye and be like, call me daddy bomb.
Whoever's Penelope will be in the back. I'll just checking her head, like, oh my god married the second guy? Just slip a little bit of something in my drink. I won't honest, Oh, someone put me down.
Happy New Year. Let's leave Matt Damon in twenty twenty four.
I thought we left him in two thousand and four. Honestly, Matt Damon, when's the last time he was even in anything? He just wanted this today Oppenheimer. I don't remember what he was doing in it, though either I watched I didn't see it. I did Barbenheimer, and I don't remember.
It was very fun.
I actually liked Appenheimer more than I thought I would. But I don't remember Matt Damien it, and I'm trying really hard. Yeah I can, I can see him in a little military suit. Maybe I don't know.
I'm trying seeing the muse of a complicateous man. Oh are we good? This is how we're going? Finished up yound it. She's studying Greek, but I come just fifteen tripping. Don't worry show off. I'm not fine to show off to those not watching on video. She's probably both bio. She's slipping pages. I'm getting there.
She's editing, so I hope it's gonna be fine readings, cutting closer, closer line.
So there we are.
Maybe no, that's the wrong book. The first word is ma'am.
What was that.
Moy in in the famous Mala sing No right now, that's wrong. Man, Well I'm good. That's a terrible what Mikaela translated.
I know all the words individually, but could I do a competent translation of them in order?
It's like like, tell me, muse about the man of many terms whom? Oh my god that no no no, no, no, no no no no, malow that's my French coming. Yeah, I've done this. I've done this. Mallow like like yeahs polar is the is the many, yeah, very very very many. No, I feel like it. No, I promise you Mallow is not bad. No, I not trust this is how we are. That's the thing, because we're dancing and.
Musalla host Mala Pola plus thys Hieron.
Well that's not true. Actually toys here here on is. Yeah, I know, I said, yeah, I said, I said hero to be fair. That's still wrong. Yeah, that's then we do this pullon asta happy to get. Tell me about a complim cadd man, muse.
Tell me how he wandered and was lost when he had wrecked the holy town of Troy.
Yeah, we love sacking the Sacred Citadel. I can say that. That was Emily Wilson's translation.
Obviously, let's walk who miss Maybe has written and produced by No, I'm not even gonna bother with the credits.
We didn't even do the opening. Thank you all for listening, because thanks, I just had to do it, and I don't I really like i'd give you a cheers, but I finished my drink, so.
You know, Cheers to the worst casting I've ever heard of. Cheers to Matt David is a disease. Maybe bring oh me and only me many joys. Thanks for watching. That's awesome to
