In this final episode of the 40 Before 40 Podcast, Carl sits down with Zanele Njapha, widely known as The UnLearning Lady, who is a South African transformation specialist, keynote speaker, and CEO of The UnLearner, to explore one of the most important skills for the next chapter of life: unlearning.

 Together they unpack why so many people become stuck in their habits, beliefs and identities as they get older, how childhood experiences and core memories shape the way we see the world, and why growth often requires letting go of ideas that once kept us safe.

From building new habits and embracing uncertainty to redefining work, purpose and lifelong learning, Zanele shares practical tools for challenging limiting beliefs and creating meaningful change.

It is a thought-provoking conversation about personal growth, adaptability and how to stay curious, relevant and open to new possibilities at any age.