Gabby, you are in my house, welcome, thank you, and you're saying you're doing a little staycation in sag Harbor. Yes, all right, so I'm gonna give you all the spots. I watched your shows to get prepared. I watched certain Bachelor seasons, but not obviously all of them. Yeah, so I went in deep you.

Gabby, you are in my house, welcome, thank you, and you're saying you're doing a little staycation in sag Harbor. Yes, all right, so I'm gonna give you all the spots. I watched your shows to get prepared. I watched certain Bachelor seasons, but not obviously all of them. Yeah, so I went in deep you.

I'm so sorry. I mean, I didn't realize.

I'm so sorry. I mean, I didn't realize.

I did not realize how many seasons there actually were, and I was instantly drawn to you. So we'll get into that. But you do not look as tall on television. Yeah, I know.

I did not realize how many seasons there actually were, and I was instantly drawn to you. So we'll get into that. But you do not look as tall on television. Yeah, I know.

I think it's like a thing because you're always being shown from the waist up, so nobody actually knows how tall you are. When you pack for the Bachelor, they're like, don't worry about your shoes, They'll never see your feet. So it's like, really, don't really see your legs? Wait, yeah, that's because you.

I think it's like a thing because you're always being shown from the waist up, so nobody actually knows how tall you are. When you pack for the Bachelor, they're like, don't worry about your shoes, They'll never see your feet. So it's like, really, don't really see your legs? Wait, yeah, that's because you.

To me, if someone said describe our like, she's this cute little pixie though she's like peteet and you walk and I'm like, oh my god, this glamazon walk to my house. How tall are you?

To me, if someone said describe our like, she's this cute little pixie though she's like peteet and you walk and I'm like, oh my god, this glamazon walk to my house. How tall are you?

I'm five eight and I'm constantly in heels. I'm never in a flash and you're all legs.

I'm five eight and I'm constantly in heels. I'm never in a flash and you're all legs.

Yes, so you just look here. You have a very striking presence. It's funny.

Yes, so you just look here. You have a very striking presence. It's funny.

How thank you.

How thank you.

It's very different. And you're blonde.

It's very different. And you're blonde.

Yes, I'm newly blonde. Well I was a blonde before a bachelor, but Quarantine I wanted to try something different. So now that I'm going back blonde, it's like a controversy online. People love to talk about it. But this is like my natural state, a block, a box blonde.

Yes, I'm newly blonde. Well I was a blonde before a bachelor, but Quarantine I wanted to try something different. So now that I'm going back blonde, it's like a controversy online. People love to talk about it. But this is like my natural state, a block, a box blonde.

Wait, why do people love to talk Why is it controversial? Because I feel like you're trying to be something you're not.

Wait, why do people love to talk Why is it controversial? Because I feel like you're trying to be something you're not.

I think a little bit because it was like after I moved to La, so they're like, don't be like a basic La bitch. And it's like, first of all, I am what I am, and I'm as basic as they come. It's not La. It's deep in my soul. It's like different. But and I think, yeah, they're just so people really get attached to you and like what you look like. So I think they're just really attached to my brown hair.

I think a little bit because it was like after I moved to La, so they're like, don't be like a basic La bitch. And it's like, first of all, I am what I am, and I'm as basic as they come. It's not La. It's deep in my soul. It's like different. But and I think, yeah, they're just so people really get attached to you and like what you look like. So I think they're just really attached to my brown hair.

Well, it comes through you, don't That's what the box blonde is. I mean, there's a lot of roots. It looks very like it's hard to keep this up.

Well, it comes through you, don't That's what the box blonde is. I mean, there's a lot of roots. It looks very like it's hard to keep this up.

It's not. It's easier because this is like my natural is lighter than when I was dark, so when my hair would grow out when I was dark. First of all, thank you for giving me a chance to talk about this.

It's not. It's easier because this is like my natural is lighter than when I was dark, so when my hair would grow out when I was dark. First of all, thank you for giving me a chance to talk about this.

Really, this is why we're here.

Really, this is why we're here.

Obviously thought a lot about it. I have a lot to say.

Obviously thought a lot about it. I have a lot to say.

I want to hear it because I do beauty views and I'm fascinating because I color my hair at home and recently I went to get a professionally done and she said, you have like seven colors of hair in your hair because I didn't know. I just each little chunk going down to the roots. It's a different it's like a patchwork quilt. Yes, okay, I've been there.

I want to hear it because I do beauty views and I'm fascinating because I color my hair at home and recently I went to get a professionally done and she said, you have like seven colors of hair in your hair because I didn't know. I just each little chunk going down to the roots. It's a different it's like a patchwork quilt. Yes, okay, I've been there.

Every time my hairdresser sees me, they're like, you're a different color. So God bless them. I have two really great people, one in Colorado, one in La Okay, Okay, So any I'm like a chestnut they call it. It's like a dark blonde, kind of lighter brown.

Every time my hairdresser sees me, they're like, you're a different color. So God bless them. I have two really great people, one in Colorado, one in La Okay, Okay, So any I'm like a chestnut they call it. It's like a dark blonde, kind of lighter brown.

It's like a chestnut Philly like it's a little a little red too, chest.

It's like a chestnut Philly like it's a little a little red too, chest.

Yes, yeah, and it pulls red easy. So when I was really dark, one it would go. It would go red so easy. It would always fade like really warm, okay, and my roots would come in and I'd look gray because my hair is so much lighter than the brown. I mean, I was lighter than you, but like not much. I was really dark. But nobody actually knew what my hair color was because it would literally change during the season. So this doesn't fade as much for me. And like, I like to have a root so it can just grow out on its own.

Yes, yeah, and it pulls red easy. So when I was really dark, one it would go. It would go red so easy. It would always fade like really warm, okay, and my roots would come in and I'd look gray because my hair is so much lighter than the brown. I mean, I was lighter than you, but like not much. I was really dark. But nobody actually knew what my hair color was because it would literally change during the season. So this doesn't fade as much for me. And like, I like to have a root so it can just grow out on its own.

Well, it's interesting that on in Bachelor Nation it's controversial to change your hair color, because in Housewives Nation, you could have a different hair color every year, every season Nation.

Well, it's interesting that on in Bachelor Nation it's controversial to change your hair color, because in Housewives Nation, you could have a different hair color every year, every season Nation.

That's what I want. I'm like, you guys have to get used to it. It's a part of me. I know, like people are still learning a lot about me. They wouldn't let me dye my hair while we were filming. I got highlights before I was the Bachelorette, and they sent in like a team last second to take me back dark. I was like crying on the phone, screaming at a producer. I'm like, I like, I should have free will.

That's what I want. I'm like, you guys have to get used to it. It's a part of me. I know, like people are still learning a lot about me. They wouldn't let me dye my hair while we were filming. I got highlights before I was the Bachelorette, and they sent in like a team last second to take me back dark. I was like crying on the phone, screaming at a producer. I'm like, I like, I should have free will.

So you're here to say that you identify as a multi colored hair yes, you want you want me. You don't want to be put in a box.

So you're here to say that you identify as a multi colored hair yes, you want you want me. You don't want to be put in a box.

No, I want the room to have like whatever kind of hair I want, I'll always change it.

No, I want the room to have like whatever kind of hair I want, I'll always change it.

Okay, So that's what we're here. Nice to meet you, Thanks for coming, and we'll talk you okay. All right, So you're in the Hamptons and you're here with your girlfriend. Yes, So do you both say this is my girlfriend, this is my life partner?

Okay, So that's what we're here. Nice to meet you, Thanks for coming, and we'll talk you okay. All right, So you're in the Hamptons and you're here with your girlfriend. Yes, So do you both say this is my girlfriend, this is my life partner?

What do you call Robbie girlfriend?

What do you call Robbie girlfriend?

Okay, so, Robbie, how long have you known her?

Okay, so, Robbie, how long have you known her?

Like? Five months? I think almost maybe four and a half. I round up because I feel like lesbian years are like dog years, like it multiplies. We spend a lot of time together, and August is a long month, and July so you have like a couple extra days.

Like? Five months? I think almost maybe four and a half. I round up because I feel like lesbian years are like dog years, like it multiplies. We spend a lot of time together, and August is a long month, and July so you have like a couple extra days.

Like, well, summer is different you're talking about like it's also a summer romance folded in plus two women who one might think love maybe more intensely and more deeply. So that's why dog ears. Ok yeah, yeah, yeah, So and we're going to get into that. Does it fascinate you that people are so fascinated with your girlfriend or your life partner? Or it makes perfect sense because of the shows that you were on.

Like, well, summer is different you're talking about like it's also a summer romance folded in plus two women who one might think love maybe more intensely and more deeply. So that's why dog ears. Ok yeah, yeah, yeah, So and we're going to get into that. Does it fascinate you that people are so fascinated with your girlfriend or your life partner? Or it makes perfect sense because of the shows that you were on.

I yeah, I think it does make sense. Bachelor Nation is really loyal, and I'm like so grateful for them. I feel like they've really stuck to me. Wow. Yeah, which isn't the case for everybody. I know. Sometimes they have really strong opinions, and that's okay. Like, I do understand that there is a piece of going on reality TV that you're TV in general. If you want to live your life like with the platform, you're opening yourself up to like some kind of criticism and scrutiny. So I know people are going to have an opinion and that's okay. But I do feel like for the most part, they've like had my back and they're treating Robbie like she's one of us. About the best feeling ever.

I yeah, I think it does make sense. Bachelor Nation is really loyal, and I'm like so grateful for them. I feel like they've really stuck to me. Wow. Yeah, which isn't the case for everybody. I know. Sometimes they have really strong opinions, and that's okay. Like, I do understand that there is a piece of going on reality TV that you're TV in general. If you want to live your life like with the platform, you're opening yourself up to like some kind of criticism and scrutiny. So I know people are going to have an opinion and that's okay. But I do feel like for the most part, they've like had my back and they're treating Robbie like she's one of us. About the best feeling ever.

I bet that I don't know her, will meet her. But the last thing that I imagine that she would have thought in her life that should be part of Bachelor Nation.

I bet that I don't know her, will meet her. But the last thing that I imagine that she would have thought in her life that should be part of Bachelor Nation.

Now, yeah, the last she said she she won the Bachelor. Now that's how she says it. She's like, I won the Bachelor. We went to AFR and like it was live or whatever after the final roads for this last season, and I'm like, I didn't think she would want to go. I'm like, do you want to go? She's like, duh, Like I won the Bachelor.

Now, yeah, the last she said she she won the Bachelor. Now that's how she says it. She's like, I won the Bachelor. We went to AFR and like it was live or whatever after the final roads for this last season, and I'm like, I didn't think she would want to go. I'm like, do you want to go? She's like, duh, Like I won the Bachelor.

Yeah, She's like in Candyland, when you go directly to get the piece of candy, you don't have to.

Yeah, She's like in Candyland, when you go directly to get the piece of candy, you don't have to.

Go through all the little pieces literally, right, exactly right. Yeah, she has a shortcut. She's like so proud. She's like, look at this. I'm like, oh my god, that's amazingly.

Go through all the little pieces literally, right, exactly right. Yeah, she has a shortcut. She's like so proud. She's like, look at this. I'm like, oh my god, that's amazingly.

All right, so you are more than who you're dating, So we will get into your dating.

All right, so you are more than who you're dating, So we will get into your dating.

But okay, it's my favorite topic right now too.

But okay, it's my favorite topic right now too.

I would imagine, yeah, I would imagine, which, Well, okay, so we're going to get into that. But so how did you what made you go on to the Bachelor?

I would imagine, yeah, I would imagine, which, Well, okay, so we're going to get into that. But so how did you what made you go on to the Bachelor?

I was single for years. I had just moved out of Denver. I was travel nursing during COVID. So I was a Denver Broncos cheerleader for five years and I decided to kind of like I used an excuse almost to like fade out. Because it was the year of COVID, we really didn't know what the season was going to hold for us. Normally, it's really grueling, the schedule, like you have no time off, you can't really travel because you always have to be there for practices and games. So I'm like, ugh, I want to take this time, like we don't know what our schedule is going to look like, I'm gonna travel, nurse, do something different. Wow. And I ended up in LA and officially retired from NFL cheerleading No. Four one K that's okay, retirement plan. That's how it was.

I was single for years. I had just moved out of Denver. I was travel nursing during COVID. So I was a Denver Broncos cheerleader for five years and I decided to kind of like I used an excuse almost to like fade out. Because it was the year of COVID, we really didn't know what the season was going to hold for us. Normally, it's really grueling, the schedule, like you have no time off, you can't really travel because you always have to be there for practices and games. So I'm like, ugh, I want to take this time, like we don't know what our schedule is going to look like, I'm gonna travel, nurse, do something different. Wow. And I ended up in LA and officially retired from NFL cheerleading No. Four one K that's okay, retirement plan. That's how it was.

Five years.

Five years.

Five years, that's a bit.

Five years, that's a bit.

That's a long career in Denver Bronco Land.

That's a long career in Denver Bronco Land.

Yeah it was. Yeah, that's funny, some of the best years of my life. But then I moved to LA. I'm like, okay. I was nominated a couple years prior by some friends and I had dated somebody kind of like a heart throb i'd say in Bachelor Nation. So like literally on my application it was like dated his name's Dean. Dated Dean, like Denver Bronco's cheerleader, and they like called me the next day.

Yeah it was. Yeah, that's funny, some of the best years of my life. But then I moved to LA. I'm like, okay. I was nominated a couple years prior by some friends and I had dated somebody kind of like a heart throb i'd say in Bachelor Nation. So like literally on my application it was like dated his name's Dean. Dated Dean, like Denver Bronco's cheerleader, and they like called me the next day.

Yeah it's a good resume.

Yeah it's a good resume.

Yeah yeah.

Yeah yeah.

Have you come across other Denver Broncos cheerleaders in this process? I would feel like they would be the perfect prototype for Bachelor Nation.

Have you come across other Denver Broncos cheerleaders in this process? I would feel like they would be the perfect prototype for Bachelor Nation.

Not a lot of cheerleaders, a lot of Disney Princesses really weird. Yeah, that work at the park.

Not a lot of cheerleaders, a lot of Disney Princesses really weird. Yeah, that work at the park.

Yeah, that's so funny because I've always said that a great reality show Disney would never allow it and the princess would never be able to do it. But a great reality show would be showing Disney Princesses after dark. Yeah, what really goes on after dark? Oh?

Yeah, that's so funny because I've always said that a great reality show Disney would never allow it and the princess would never be able to do it. But a great reality show would be showing Disney Princesses after dark. Yeah, what really goes on after dark? Oh?

I bet there's a lot funds very strict and do you like live in tight quarters? It's ancestual.

I bet there's a lot funds very strict and do you like live in tight quarters? It's ancestual.

Yes, it would be an make I'm sure Disney's gonna love that. And I can't wait to get a lawsuit. I can't wait for us to get a letter from Disney who also owns ABC who the Mountain?

Yes, it would be an make I'm sure Disney's gonna love that. And I can't wait to get a lawsuit. I can't wait for us to get a letter from Disney who also owns ABC who the Mountain?

She was sorry?

She was sorry?

Okay, So then you were a traveling nurse, which I didn't even know was a thing, And what do you go with an agency and they place you?

Okay, So then you were a traveling nurse, which I didn't even know was a thing, And what do you go with an agency and they place you?

Yeah, you have a third party agency. You kind of just go in. Initially, it was like founded, I think to for when staff nurses went on maternity leave, and so you would need somebody to come in for three months while they were on maternity leave and then could come back. So it's kind of like a relief position. Now it's a little more stable. It's a way for nurses to make more money basically because you don't make any money without like pre dim or kind of working these like as.

Yeah, you have a third party agency. You kind of just go in. Initially, it was like founded, I think to for when staff nurses went on maternity leave, and so you would need somebody to come in for three months while they were on maternity leave and then could come back. So it's kind of like a relief position. Now it's a little more stable. It's a way for nurses to make more money basically because you don't make any money without like pre dim or kind of working these like as.

So you can make good money as a traveling nurse.

So you can make good money as a traveling nurse.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And where do you stay? You have to figure that out yourself.

And where do you stay? You have to figure that out yourself.

Yeah, but like there's bnb's yeah, because you get a stipend for a living that's like non tax So nurses travel nurses are savvy with their finances.

Yeah, but like there's bnb's yeah, because you get a stipend for a living that's like non tax So nurses travel nurses are savvy with their finances.

Really.

Really.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I feel like it's like flight attendants are really savvy with their finances too. You're used to being efficient and organized. Yes, yeah, And I.

I feel like it's like flight attendants are really savvy with their finances too. You're used to being efficient and organized. Yes, yeah, And I.

Just don't want to flag myself. I RS. I hope you're not listening. I'm not a nurse anymore.

Just don't want to flag myself. I RS. I hope you're not listening. I'm not a nurse anymore.

No, but even if you are, they're very savvy.

No, but even if you are, they're very savvy.

No.

No.

I think that's an interesting bim that isn't discussed enough. Nurses are savvy and because.

I think that's an interesting bim that isn't discussed enough. Nurses are savvy and because.

You just don't get paid anything much like teachers. Like it's like I started, I was.

You just don't get paid anything much like teachers. Like it's like I started, I was.

Thinking that too. Hustle.

Thinking that too. Hustle.

You got to figure out hustle exactly. I sorry, when I was twenty two, I took what was given to me. I stayed in the town that I was in. I'm like, I'm making no money. How do I make money. I'm like into my thirties and I'm still working paycheck to paycheck. Interesting.

You got to figure out hustle exactly. I sorry, when I was twenty two, I took what was given to me. I stayed in the town that I was in. I'm like, I'm making no money. How do I make money. I'm like into my thirties and I'm still working paycheck to paycheck. Interesting.

I'm thinking of the teachers who have all these Amazon wish lists, and I feel like nurses should do it too, with all the things that they want to have to be a better nurse, like right for your patients, you know, having things that you give out or maybe you know, entertainment supplies for people wile they're sick. Because I like that, I'm buying a lot of Amazon supplies for teachers, and I'm loving the creative things that they're putting on their wish lists. Yeah, that I'm buying for these kids for their classrooms. Yeah, it's interesting. I like. Okay, so wow, I wouldn't That's amazing. Okay, So then you get on the Bachelor, and now let's get let's get seen. When you get on the Bachelor, what percentage? Honestly, are you thinking I'm going to really find a partner? What percentage? Oh my god, this is gonna be great and me famous and young, and this is going to be such a cool experience. You were on season nineteen, so you're well, the system is well in so I'm saying being a housewife season one was very different from being one season fifteen because you've watched the show. You have a preconceived notion you're figuring out how to quote unquote play the game.

I'm thinking of the teachers who have all these Amazon wish lists, and I feel like nurses should do it too, with all the things that they want to have to be a better nurse, like right for your patients, you know, having things that you give out or maybe you know, entertainment supplies for people wile they're sick. Because I like that, I'm buying a lot of Amazon supplies for teachers, and I'm loving the creative things that they're putting on their wish lists. Yeah, that I'm buying for these kids for their classrooms. Yeah, it's interesting. I like. Okay, so wow, I wouldn't That's amazing. Okay, So then you get on the Bachelor, and now let's get let's get seen. When you get on the Bachelor, what percentage? Honestly, are you thinking I'm going to really find a partner? What percentage? Oh my god, this is gonna be great and me famous and young, and this is going to be such a cool experience. You were on season nineteen, so you're well, the system is well in so I'm saying being a housewife season one was very different from being one season fifteen because you've watched the show. You have a preconceived notion you're figuring out how to quote unquote play the game.

Okay, so I haven't watched the show. I really didn't watch Bachelor Bachelorette before. I think people use it even now as like a like I love it because it's really like a community event. I feel like it's an excuse to get together with like either your sister and your mom every Monday, or like your friends, and you're constantly talking over the show. Like my one of my friends who we watched I think Matt James's season with I think it was during COVID. There was like four of us that would get together every Monday because there's like nothing else to do, and we'd constantly talk over her and she'd be like, can you stop, Like you didn't watch before you were on? No, okay, And I think it was I think it did me right, not because I wasn't a fan. I honestly, I I was just so busy working and cheering. It was like two full time jobs. Like I'm just now in my thirties getting into TV. I'm like, where's my childhood?

Okay, so I haven't watched the show. I really didn't watch Bachelor Bachelorette before. I think people use it even now as like a like I love it because it's really like a community event. I feel like it's an excuse to get together with like either your sister and your mom every Monday, or like your friends, and you're constantly talking over the show. Like my one of my friends who we watched I think Matt James's season with I think it was during COVID. There was like four of us that would get together every Monday because there's like nothing else to do, and we'd constantly talk over her and she'd be like, can you stop, Like you didn't watch before you were on? No, okay, And I think it was I think it did me right, not because I wasn't a fan. I honestly, I I was just so busy working and cheering. It was like two full time jobs. Like I'm just now in my thirties getting into TV. I'm like, where's my childhood?

Well no, yeah, that's so true. Yeah, were you But were you doing it because you thought it would be a great experience or you were really feeling like you were hitting a wall meeting people? Because I would think, yeah, that you would do it as a girl in your thirties, It's gonna have a great ride, a great.

Well no, yeah, that's so true. Yeah, were you But were you doing it because you thought it would be a great experience or you were really feeling like you were hitting a wall meeting people? Because I would think, yeah, that you would do it as a girl in your thirties, It's gonna have a great ride, a great.

Experience, totally. And like I think, I don't know, I can't say I really have an analytical brain. I think I have a really strong intuition. So I feel like I'm not going to break things down and try and super plan. I'm like, this seems right, it's fitting right in my life. I'm living in a month to month B and B. I've been single for years. I'm not having any luck. I'm in LA. Casting was in LA. I got to like meet everyone in person, which I think really helped.

Experience, totally. And like I think, I don't know, I can't say I really have an analytical brain. I think I have a really strong intuition. So I feel like I'm not going to break things down and try and super plan. I'm like, this seems right, it's fitting right in my life. I'm living in a month to month B and B. I've been single for years. I'm not having any luck. I'm in LA. Casting was in LA. I got to like meet everyone in person, which I think really helped.

And you're very social obviously you've worked in a social environment.

And you're very social obviously you've worked in a social environment.

Yeah, And like I love new experiences, Like I tried out for the Denver Broncos, Like three times I tried out for the Nuggets, Like whoever.

Yeah, And like I love new experiences, Like I tried out for the Denver Broncos, Like three times I tried out for the Nuggets, Like whoever.

You know.

You know.

I'm kind of like use to like just trying for different things. So I'm like okay to me, it's kind of like another opportunity another like dance team, adventure. We'll see. I will say, like I'm a little bit of a hopeless romantic, so like I don't think it has to be one or the other, Like, oh, you're going on for a new opportunity or to find love. It's like, I think both can be true.

I'm kind of like use to like just trying for different things. So I'm like okay to me, it's kind of like another opportunity another like dance team, adventure. We'll see. I will say, like I'm a little bit of a hopeless romantic, so like I don't think it has to be one or the other, Like, oh, you're going on for a new opportunity or to find love. It's like, I think both can be true.

What if I meet someone amazing, It's exactly okay, right, Also being a chill, you were a cheerleader in high school. Assume if you got on to be a professional child must have been serious.

What if I meet someone amazing, It's exactly okay, right, Also being a chill, you were a cheerleader in high school. Assume if you got on to be a professional child must have been serious.

I was on the dance team. They call us cheerleaders because we have pomp poms, but we're all like professional dancers. I don't know if you know this. I was second placed on Dancing with the Stars, Bethany.

I was on the dance team. They call us cheerleaders because we have pomp poms, but we're all like professional dancers. I don't know if you know this. I was second placed on Dancing with the Stars, Bethany.

I do know this, and people talk about that as part of this whole Yeah, okay, so you were second. I was second on The Apprentice. A good star, my god, Hi, five runners runner.

I do know this, and people talk about that as part of this whole Yeah, okay, so you were second. I was second on The Apprentice. A good star, my god, Hi, five runners runner.

We should do a whole show. We should, we need and could be on our show.

We should do a whole show. We should, we need and could be on our show.

So but I'm saying now looking back, as we'll get into your relationship, but it's just you always like to surround yourself with girls. You've always been a girl's girl.

So but I'm saying now looking back, as we'll get into your relationship, but it's just you always like to surround yourself with girls. You've always been a girl's girl.

Yes, always, I mean, yeah, those are a little too much.

Yes, always, I mean, yeah, those are a little too much.

I know.

I know.

And did you dabble?

And did you dabble?

Have you ever? Did you dabble in high school or college? Did you have because that's sort of like a quote unquote fling or a phase in many college girls experiences that they'll wink at their friends and talk back about. But did you have that experience? I never had that experience. I'm saying, Like, I'm not saying there's anything right or wrong. I'm just saying I've never had an experience with a girl in a college did you.

Have you ever? Did you dabble in high school or college? Did you have because that's sort of like a quote unquote fling or a phase in many college girls experiences that they'll wink at their friends and talk back about. But did you have that experience? I never had that experience. I'm saying, Like, I'm not saying there's anything right or wrong. I'm just saying I've never had an experience with a girl in a college did you.

Yeah? Honestly no, not really like I thought, as far as I knew, I was as straight as they came. Really, like, yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know any different. I also grew up like I wouldn't even say conservative because politics wasn't talked about in my family really good or bad. I mean my dad was supporting the whole family and like a lower rank in the Air Force, So it's like we didn't I don't think politics didn't come up because we really didn't have like the afflu to like let it into our life, like I just making ends meet, right, exactly, Our day to day was like spaghettios, Like we're living on based housing, Like where's like I have. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You know, look at me now, like whatever I could I do? Like I you know, I have some beef with public school.

Yeah? Honestly no, not really like I thought, as far as I knew, I was as straight as they came. Really, like, yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know any different. I also grew up like I wouldn't even say conservative because politics wasn't talked about in my family really good or bad. I mean my dad was supporting the whole family and like a lower rank in the Air Force, So it's like we didn't I don't think politics didn't come up because we really didn't have like the afflu to like let it into our life, like I just making ends meet, right, exactly, Our day to day was like spaghettios, Like we're living on based housing, Like where's like I have. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You know, look at me now, like whatever I could I do? Like I you know, I have some beef with public school.

Like you feel like you didn't have the luxury to start debating politics, even though.

Like you feel like you didn't have the luxury to start debating politics, even though.

It's exactly you right, especially coming from like a conservative family that was in the military, and military bases a lot of time are in Middle America, so we spent a lot of the time not surrounded by liberal cities, which you think about and then you think about, like, Okay, their allies to gay people and fighting for their rights and stuff. But I was just like surrounded by straight people. I didn't know any different.

It's exactly you right, especially coming from like a conservative family that was in the military, and military bases a lot of time are in Middle America, so we spent a lot of the time not surrounded by liberal cities, which you think about and then you think about, like, Okay, their allies to gay people and fighting for their rights and stuff. But I was just like surrounded by straight people. I didn't know any different.

I understand what you're saying. Yeah, it's funny because I did grow up in a liberal well, I lived in like thirteen places, but I went to high school in a liberal place. And even still, and I'm older than you, there was no one that we knew was gay in our high It wasn't discussed. So that's what you're saying.

I understand what you're saying. Yeah, it's funny because I did grow up in a liberal well, I lived in like thirteen places, but I went to high school in a liberal place. And even still, and I'm older than you, there was no one that we knew was gay in our high It wasn't discussed. So that's what you're saying.

Yes, And also I think like gay men are still more like have a little more representation. I don't think a lot, but it was like way more familiar to see for me to see a gay man, and I was like, oh my god, like, you know, we're best friends, we can talk about the same thing like this. But I had never, especially in my younger years, I have never really seen like a gay woman.

Yes, And also I think like gay men are still more like have a little more representation. I don't think a lot, but it was like way more familiar to see for me to see a gay man, and I was like, oh my god, like, you know, we're best friends, we can talk about the same thing like this. But I had never, especially in my younger years, I have never really seen like a gay woman.

You make a great point. You make a great point, because it's true. It was more like, it seems like that's something marketed. Is like a phase for a girl, like a college drunk phase. You hooked up with a girl, but not like a god.

You make a great point. You make a great point, because it's true. It was more like, it seems like that's something marketed. Is like a phase for a girl, like a college drunk phase. You hooked up with a girl, but not like a god.

Yeah, trying to impress the boys. It's like there's an ulterior motive.

Yeah, trying to impress the boys. It's like there's an ulterior motive.

Yes, it doesn't feel valued. It feels more like anecdotal. That makes that's a great That's a totally great point. So, so yeah, you were straight. They didn't think it was like saying, I'm a giraffe. I'm not a the dog.

Yes, it doesn't feel valued. It feels more like anecdotal. That makes that's a great That's a totally great point. So, so yeah, you were straight. They didn't think it was like saying, I'm a giraffe. I'm not a the dog.

This is what I am.

This is what I am.

So you didn't question it. That makes a lot of sense too. And did you remember the movie Chasing Amy. No, you've heard about it, and that was, Oh my god, you have to see it. It was like a very It was one of the first movies that talked about a woman who's living in a traditional life. She was actually in a relationship with John Hamm. It was her boyfriend, and then she becomes a lesbian and it's quite disruptive, but it certainly wasn't twenty twenty three.

So you didn't question it. That makes a lot of sense too. And did you remember the movie Chasing Amy. No, you've heard about it, and that was, Oh my god, you have to see it. It was like a very It was one of the first movies that talked about a woman who's living in a traditional life. She was actually in a relationship with John Hamm. It was her boyfriend, and then she becomes a lesbian and it's quite disruptive, but it certainly wasn't twenty twenty three.

It's a great qush to watch Chasing Me. It's week love lesbian culture.

It's a great qush to watch Chasing Me. It's week love lesbian culture.

Yeah, yeah, Okay, So you go on Bachelor and you're going in to have an experience and there's a bunch you know, you're gonna buy for this guy and what and I saw I watched you really stand up for yourself during this process, Like I watched you come in sort of as the funny girl who is a little bit like me, Bethany, meaning you always get into trouble for saying something. Yeah, you're not filtered, you're unedited. I related to that a lot, that you're just he said you were the funniest person on the planet.

Yeah, yeah, Okay, So you go on Bachelor and you're going in to have an experience and there's a bunch you know, you're gonna buy for this guy and what and I saw I watched you really stand up for yourself during this process, Like I watched you come in sort of as the funny girl who is a little bit like me, Bethany, meaning you always get into trouble for saying something. Yeah, you're not filtered, you're unedited. I related to that a lot, that you're just he said you were the funniest person on the planet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, he said, she's the funniest person on the planet while you guys were like tying shoes for a hiker something.

Right, he said, she's the funniest person on the planet while you guys were like tying shoes for a hiker something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then you go through this process and he manipulates you in a way like you felt like he wasn't this is this is Clayton. He wasn't entirely above board. Yeah, in the process, and when I watched the finale, you really sort of were poised and held yourself really just you were just very very mature and polished, and there was just something very dignified about you and you but you did not let you did not suffer fools. You let him know it was not acceptable the way you'd been treated. So what was that?

And then you go through this process and he manipulates you in a way like you felt like he wasn't this is this is Clayton. He wasn't entirely above board. Yeah, in the process, and when I watched the finale, you really sort of were poised and held yourself really just you were just very very mature and polished, and there was just something very dignified about you and you but you did not let you did not suffer fools. You let him know it was not acceptable the way you'd been treated. So what was that?

Thank you? I think just like ugh, I feel like you take these experiences and you really think about it and maybe like it's like I don't want all this to turn into like the patriarchy and like I'm a feminist and blah blah blah. But there's some conversation around it, like sue me and I think, like watching I don't think Clayton he's malicious. I don't think he's like nefarious. I've always said that. I think maybe he hasn't had Being a woman comes with struggle. We know that as women. It's like something also that is implicit. You don't even really know you're struggling, I think until later totally, and it's like that's like the hardest part is that you're almost like nobody says like it's okay, Like it's almost like you're being like gasolt into thinking everything is normal. I was a nurse for eight years. A female dominated field. We work under doctors. We're supposed to be subordinates. But it's like you're not even technically my boss. You have a different discipline, Our goals are different. You're here to like treat the disease and I'm here to treat the whole person and to take things into like a holistic account. Like we have two different goals, right, But I am treated like I have to take your orders and I don't really have a voice. Is it because I'm a nurse or is it because I'm a woman or both.

Thank you? I think just like ugh, I feel like you take these experiences and you really think about it and maybe like it's like I don't want all this to turn into like the patriarchy and like I'm a feminist and blah blah blah. But there's some conversation around it, like sue me and I think, like watching I don't think Clayton he's malicious. I don't think he's like nefarious. I've always said that. I think maybe he hasn't had Being a woman comes with struggle. We know that as women. It's like something also that is implicit. You don't even really know you're struggling, I think until later totally, and it's like that's like the hardest part is that you're almost like nobody says like it's okay, Like it's almost like you're being like gasolt into thinking everything is normal. I was a nurse for eight years. A female dominated field. We work under doctors. We're supposed to be subordinates. But it's like you're not even technically my boss. You have a different discipline, Our goals are different. You're here to like treat the disease and I'm here to treat the whole person and to take things into like a holistic account. Like we have two different goals, right, But I am treated like I have to take your orders and I don't really have a voice. Is it because I'm a nurse or is it because I'm a woman or both.

It's a dynamic that was set up like a caveman teachers.

It's a dynamic that was set up like a caveman teachers.

Yeah, it's like a minor already female dominated field.

Yeah, it's like a minor already female dominated field.

Hi, Hi, Robbie, how are you good?

Hi, Hi, Robbie, how are you good?

Where are you gonna sit?

Where are you gonna sit?

I don't know, baby, you want to sit there? And then we'll bring her in after we get into the bath in.

I don't know, baby, you want to sit there? And then we'll bring her in after we get into the bath in.

The guest house. I don't know. It's okay.

The guest house. I don't know. It's okay.

Well, do you feel like we are talking about some of this stuff?

Well, do you feel like we are talking about some of this stuff?

No, it's just like easier for me to talk about her if she's not here. And I think babe babe in a good way.

No, it's just like easier for me to talk about her if she's not here. And I think babe babe in a good way.

All right, So let's let babe go to get a drink.

All right, So let's let babe go to get a drink.

She doesn't like. She doesn't let me watch all her comedy either, So I know, babe, but come on, it's the first one.

She doesn't like. She doesn't let me watch all her comedy either, So I know, babe, but come on, it's the first one.

Okay, no, bo, Babe should go get a drink. Bite. Oh my god, Babe, babe.

Okay, no, bo, Babe should go get a drink. Bite. Oh my god, Babe, babe.

We're in love. It's really hard for people to see. I got tay babe into.

We're in love. It's really hard for people to see. I got tay babe into.

The woods, the woods, the babe in the woods, and then we're gonna get her bring a back.

The woods, the woods, the babe in the woods, and then we're gonna get her bring a back.

Somebody likes me.

Somebody likes me.

Yeah, I can't imagine why we're gonna get into when she comes out, Why you would even think of having me do it, because it becomes very controversial these days to be on my podcast. I did not realize, but we'll be. I'm being canceled, I'm renewed at the same time.

Yeah, I can't imagine why we're gonna get into when she comes out, Why you would even think of having me do it, because it becomes very controversial these days to be on my podcast. I did not realize, but we'll be. I'm being canceled, I'm renewed at the same time.

It's amazing.

It's amazing.

Yeah, canceled and renew the same day. Okay. So all right, So oh so you said, oh, yes, it's amazing what you're saying. Yeah, there are scenes are just dynamics that and set in stone.

Yeah, canceled and renew the same day. Okay. So all right, So oh so you said, oh, yes, it's amazing what you're saying. Yeah, there are scenes are just dynamics that and set in stone.

Yeah. So then naturally you think about it, so like whatever, it's like, I'm kind of dating this man. With other women. I understood what I got into, but it almost felt like new money. It was like a man who had just had power for the first time.

Yeah. So then naturally you think about it, so like whatever, it's like, I'm kind of dating this man. With other women. I understood what I got into, but it almost felt like new money. It was like a man who had just had power for the first time.

Oh, you didn't like that he had all the power, and you've walked into a dynamic where he had all the power. He got to just choose and discard.

Oh, you didn't like that he had all the power, and you've walked into a dynamic where he had all the power. He got to just choose and discard.

Because yeah, because I think he took advantage of it and he didn't really like, really think about or regard our feelings. And I can like that was always my thought going in. I'm like, honestly, just be honest, just be open, like he like compared all of us at the same point, it's like you can't compare like different women or different lovers. They're different. You have a better connection with them or not. But it's like you can't say you like love one more, this one's better.

Because yeah, because I think he took advantage of it and he didn't really like, really think about or regard our feelings. And I can like that was always my thought going in. I'm like, honestly, just be honest, just be open, like he like compared all of us at the same point, it's like you can't compare like different women or different lovers. They're different. You have a better connection with them or not. But it's like you can't say you like love one more, this one's better.

Like you're saying, you can still be a good person even within this strange experiment. You can still if I let tell you what I need, which is for you to just always be upfront and honest with me. Yeah, it may not end up being me, but I need you. Well, that's what happens when you're dating sometimes, Like, yeah, I've dated. I remember dating a guy who was a player. He had never really had a girlfriend, and we really connected and you knew that he was like sleeping around every weekend. He just had that reputation and it's what was going on. Yeah, And there became a point where I said, this needs to be evolving or I don't want to do it. But you don't get to just pretend that because I know that about you, that that's enough. Like you have to tell me like you want to progress and move forward. Yeah, And just because you say, oh, she knew that I was that type of person, that's not enough. Like you have to hold yourself accountable, yeah, and be responsible for the other person's feelings also, right, A lot of people don't do that. A lot of oh they know who I am? Like me say, you know, it's like, is that how you treat the people you love?

Like you're saying, you can still be a good person even within this strange experiment. You can still if I let tell you what I need, which is for you to just always be upfront and honest with me. Yeah, it may not end up being me, but I need you. Well, that's what happens when you're dating sometimes, Like, yeah, I've dated. I remember dating a guy who was a player. He had never really had a girlfriend, and we really connected and you knew that he was like sleeping around every weekend. He just had that reputation and it's what was going on. Yeah, And there became a point where I said, this needs to be evolving or I don't want to do it. But you don't get to just pretend that because I know that about you, that that's enough. Like you have to tell me like you want to progress and move forward. Yeah, And just because you say, oh, she knew that I was that type of person, that's not enough. Like you have to hold yourself accountable, yeah, and be responsible for the other person's feelings also, right, A lot of people don't do that. A lot of oh they know who I am? Like me say, you know, it's like, is that how you treat the people you love?

Like you're also the other party is allowed to have expectations and needs to And I'm allowed to tell you what I need. If we're if we're not being able to give the same thing, we're not a match. And that's a yes, But don't make me feel like I'm crazy for bringing it up. I feel like a lot of our dating culture has like kind of gas lit women into thinking that we're not allowed to ask for what we want and we have to settle for these guys who it's like, okay for them to sleep around. It's like, okay, they're just men. I have to wait until he's ready to not sleeping around. Would I ever do that to somebody?

Like you're also the other party is allowed to have expectations and needs to And I'm allowed to tell you what I need. If we're if we're not being able to give the same thing, we're not a match. And that's a yes, But don't make me feel like I'm crazy for bringing it up. I feel like a lot of our dating culture has like kind of gas lit women into thinking that we're not allowed to ask for what we want and we have to settle for these guys who it's like, okay for them to sleep around. It's like, okay, they're just men. I have to wait until he's ready to not sleeping around. Would I ever do that to somebody?

No, Well, that was how the show was set up with men in the power position. And obviously then they did the bachelors, which.

No, Well, that was how the show was set up with men in the power position. And obviously then they did the bachelors, which.

That's different because it's a bubble and I will understand, Like me going in, I'm like, I know you're sleeping with other girls. There's like this meme of me with BedHead comparing me to the Bradstall, like coming in the next day because they, like, you know, had this conversation with us and the other girls like what were you doing last night? It's like everyone knows what we're doing. Like, don't make me say it. It's like a part of the gig. It's basically in my contract, it's not but like whatever I'm in on. But in real life, in real life, it doesn't translate.

That's different because it's a bubble and I will understand, Like me going in, I'm like, I know you're sleeping with other girls. There's like this meme of me with BedHead comparing me to the Bradstall, like coming in the next day because they, like, you know, had this conversation with us and the other girls like what were you doing last night? It's like everyone knows what we're doing. Like, don't make me say it. It's like a part of the gig. It's basically in my contract, it's not but like whatever I'm in on. But in real life, in real life, it doesn't translate.

Well no, but in real life too, you could say to your girlfriends, I'm okay with it, it's fine. We're just dating and then all of a sudden it takes you over.

Well no, but in real life too, you could say to your girlfriends, I'm okay with it, it's fine. We're just dating and then all of a sudden it takes you over.

If I genuinely felt like that, that's.

If I genuinely felt like that, that's.

What I'm saying. Not what I'm saying is on a show, you could get all the rules and you could have a rule even with the guy. Yeah, but when you get into real feelings, you can't. You can't play stupid and smart at the same time. If you have feelings, you're gonna have a lack of irrationality. I mean, sorry, there'll be an element of irrationality because you feel something right right right. You could say it's cool, but it may not feel cool. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not trying to be cool. I'm not cool in a relationship. I just want to be myself and I need, like I want to be seen. Like the last thing I'm gonna do is try and play it cool, Like I don't think that helps anybody, Okay, And so I feel like he just kind of took advantage of his power because it was kind of led to believe the ending. You know, he went back for the third girl, which it seems like he knew all along. So then it's like he's feel like a loser, a fool.

What I'm saying. Not what I'm saying is on a show, you could get all the rules and you could have a rule even with the guy. Yeah, but when you get into real feelings, you can't. You can't play stupid and smart at the same time. If you have feelings, you're gonna have a lack of irrationality. I mean, sorry, there'll be an element of irrationality because you feel something right right right. You could say it's cool, but it may not feel cool. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not trying to be cool. I'm not cool in a relationship. I just want to be myself and I need, like I want to be seen. Like the last thing I'm gonna do is try and play it cool, Like I don't think that helps anybody, Okay, And so I feel like he just kind of took advantage of his power because it was kind of led to believe the ending. You know, he went back for the third girl, which it seems like he knew all along. So then it's like he's feel like a loser, a fool.

So it's like why'd you sleep with me? And I can say things because I have been on the other side. I was the bachelorette, Yes, and I chose not to sleep with everybody if I wasn't like still deciding I only slept with one person, not saying it's the way to go, because like I think you can genuinely be conflicted.

So it's like why'd you sleep with me? And I can say things because I have been on the other side. I was the bachelorette, Yes, and I chose not to sleep with everybody if I wasn't like still deciding I only slept with one person, not saying it's the way to go, because like I think you can genuinely be conflicted.

Yeah, oh you can. And people can sleep with more than one person. It's their choice. But you're saying you found a way for yourself to have integrity in that process. Yeah, I found it very compelling that you would go to the end with a girl and become really good friends with her, like you were competing with her. How did you manage to be competing with her? Or was it really that you were like commiserating because you were going through the same exact experience.

Yeah, oh you can. And people can sleep with more than one person. It's their choice. But you're saying you found a way for yourself to have integrity in that process. Yeah, I found it very compelling that you would go to the end with a girl and become really good friends with her, like you were competing with her. How did you manage to be competing with her? Or was it really that you were like commiserating because you were going through the same exact experience.

I think it is a lot of like compartmentalizing. They kind of say, like it is a new scenario, so you can't really you can't compare it to any interesting which I think is a lot of reason kind of like why it does work in that world because it's honestly, it's not real life. So you're starting with a blank slick Yes, so I'm.

I think it is a lot of like compartmentalizing. They kind of say, like it is a new scenario, so you can't really you can't compare it to any interesting which I think is a lot of reason kind of like why it does work in that world because it's honestly, it's not real life. So you're starting with a blank slick Yes, so I'm.

Like, even if you've watched it, it's going to be anything that happens.

Like, even if you've watched it, it's going to be anything that happens.

Of course. I just like always came in with an open mind. I'm like, honestly, at this point, I surrender if this is going to be my man. He wasn't like the complete opposite of who I'm dating now, like a little Jewish woman. I was dating all these big white frien' you could never give me what she can give me, right, But I was just like, Okay, if it's meant to be, it'll be. I'm always like, I'm never going to choose a guy or or a partner or a lover over a girl over a friend. Like I do think there's this kind of innate like we've been through a lot of shit as women. We have to lift each other up, and plus it takes two in a relationship. It's like they're choosing each other. It's not like somebody is. It's not personal to me, right, Like, it's not like anyone's like hurting me on purpose. It's like they're a better match. Okay, yeah, definitely.

Of course. I just like always came in with an open mind. I'm like, honestly, at this point, I surrender if this is going to be my man. He wasn't like the complete opposite of who I'm dating now, like a little Jewish woman. I was dating all these big white frien' you could never give me what she can give me, right, But I was just like, Okay, if it's meant to be, it'll be. I'm always like, I'm never going to choose a guy or or a partner or a lover over a girl over a friend. Like I do think there's this kind of innate like we've been through a lot of shit as women. We have to lift each other up, and plus it takes two in a relationship. It's like they're choosing each other. It's not like somebody is. It's not personal to me, right, Like, it's not like anyone's like hurting me on purpose. It's like they're a better match. Okay, yeah, definitely.

Right now, you just wanted there to be some ethics and integrity because you were putting yourself out there. Okay, do you feel that you were really in love with him.

Right now, you just wanted there to be some ethics and integrity because you were putting yourself out there. Okay, do you feel that you were really in love with him.

I thought I was, because again, like you are in the bubble. Bubble, yes, and it really and like I buy in. I'm a good player, I'm a team player. Like I'm in on it. I think you can't come out alive. You can't go in doubting everything.

I thought I was, because again, like you are in the bubble. Bubble, yes, and it really and like I buy in. I'm a good player, I'm a team player. Like I'm in on it. I think you can't come out alive. You can't go in doubting everything.

You can't play. No, you can't be half pregnant. No, you're in all the way exactly.

You can't play. No, you can't be half pregnant. No, you're in all the way exactly.

I get pregnant. Yeah, anything I do.

I get pregnant. Yeah, anything I do.

No. But by the way, that's why I see myself in you a little bit. Because in the Housewives, it's the same thing, and they always ask it's such a weird question, is it real? It's impossible to what's happening is real, but the circumstances the bubble is not real. So is it real that I'm talking to these specific women about this thing and fighting, someone throws a leg on a dance floor, some flips a table. Those things really happen because those are extraordinary circumstances. So it's a bullshit question.

No. But by the way, that's why I see myself in you a little bit. Because in the Housewives, it's the same thing, and they always ask it's such a weird question, is it real? It's impossible to what's happening is real, but the circumstances the bubble is not real. So is it real that I'm talking to these specific women about this thing and fighting, someone throws a leg on a dance floor, some flips a table. Those things really happen because those are extraordinary circumstances. So it's a bullshit question.

Is it real?

Is it real?

What you were feeling is real, what was happening is real, but you were living in fantasy island.

What you were feeling is real, what was happening is real, but you were living in fantasy island.

Right, and it's all cold. But like this is also kind of like a job, Like for you, it was like your job, Like I'm here. I know I have not even a role to play, but my job is.

Right, and it's all cold. But like this is also kind of like a job, Like for you, it was like your job, Like I'm here. I know I have not even a role to play, but my job is.

To be here and be involved and be present. And what they need you to do and do it you need to exactly.

To be here and be involved and be present. And what they need you to do and do it you need to exactly.

They could tell it. Yeah, and I hear it, and I'm here. I'm a hard worker.

They could tell it. Yeah, and I hear it, and I'm here. I'm a hard worker.

No, you're on the field putting your heart. That's exactly exactly. It's a work ethic thing. I fully get it. I really really that's very interesting. And then so you have your show with Rachel you guys, are you still close?

No, you're on the field putting your heart. That's exactly exactly. It's a work ethic thing. I fully get it. I really really that's very interesting. And then so you have your show with Rachel you guys, are you still close?

Yes?

Yes?

Okay, and you go on this strange but fun girlfriend journey and you meet this guy Eric, and I'm sure that the whole world thought this it's yeah, didn't It didn't track and the engagement field felt awkward. It felt weird just watching it felt like, Okay, we're on the show and we're supposed to be doing this now. Yeah, and the clocks, you know, run out. So what was that all like? And what were you together saying to each other about it?

Okay, and you go on this strange but fun girlfriend journey and you meet this guy Eric, and I'm sure that the whole world thought this it's yeah, didn't It didn't track and the engagement field felt awkward. It felt weird just watching it felt like, Okay, we're on the show and we're supposed to be doing this now. Yeah, and the clocks, you know, run out. So what was that all like? And what were you together saying to each other about it?

Yeah, definitely, and I think there is it was obviously there's a lot you like, don't see. So I do feel like I was really connected with him and like, Okay, this could be it for me. We had great banter on the show. It seems like seemingly he kind of like had his shit together. He really chose me, which was nice. Like I know people are like, hey, I just want to feel chosen, but it's like in my dating like life, I never really had someone besides Robbie like stand up and really choose me, like, yes, that's the one I want to be with, like screen, and.

Yeah, definitely, and I think there is it was obviously there's a lot you like, don't see. So I do feel like I was really connected with him and like, Okay, this could be it for me. We had great banter on the show. It seems like seemingly he kind of like had his shit together. He really chose me, which was nice. Like I know people are like, hey, I just want to feel chosen, but it's like in my dating like life, I never really had someone besides Robbie like stand up and really choose me, like, yes, that's the one I want to be with, like screen, and.

He really did. He really loved you.

He really did. He really loved you.

And he did. Yeah, he kept coming back for more, like even throughout everything, and I'm like, okay, I can tell he wants to be with me. I think it was it was like all the other storylines that kind of confused things. It was like Jason the other he was like very quie, very afraid of cameras, so we just couldn't get anywhere because he literally thought he was in a simulation. Like I can't like meet you as a person if you're so afraid of everything else that's going on. That's why you have to buy in. If you're agreen to like be on this kind of television, do this kind kind of work, you have to like be Okay, I'm going to do it. I trust myself and I'm going to be myself. But it's like our relationship couldn't really progress.

And he did. Yeah, he kept coming back for more, like even throughout everything, and I'm like, okay, I can tell he wants to be with me. I think it was it was like all the other storylines that kind of confused things. It was like Jason the other he was like very quie, very afraid of cameras, so we just couldn't get anywhere because he literally thought he was in a simulation. Like I can't like meet you as a person if you're so afraid of everything else that's going on. That's why you have to buy in. If you're agreen to like be on this kind of television, do this kind kind of work, you have to like be Okay, I'm going to do it. I trust myself and I'm going to be myself. But it's like our relationship couldn't really progress.

Well. Also, I think that Listen, I'm older than you and I've been in a lot many relationships, and I do think that as you get older, your priorities change. And I've had the thought of my life, well, I love this person so much because of how much they love me. That's one way. And some people say, fall in love with someone who loves you more than you love them. Some people marry for money. Some people marry because it's a good fit, because it's an arranged marriage, because it's a religion. Like there doesn't have to be like one puzzle piece that fits, which young girls like to think that there does. But if you, you know, plucked you and moved you to Malaysia right now, you might meet someone else. It could even be a man. Like it's not it's the ocean. It's living and breathing and moving.

Well. Also, I think that Listen, I'm older than you and I've been in a lot many relationships, and I do think that as you get older, your priorities change. And I've had the thought of my life, well, I love this person so much because of how much they love me. That's one way. And some people say, fall in love with someone who loves you more than you love them. Some people marry for money. Some people marry because it's a good fit, because it's an arranged marriage, because it's a religion. Like there doesn't have to be like one puzzle piece that fits, which young girls like to think that there does. But if you, you know, plucked you and moved you to Malaysia right now, you might meet someone else. It could even be a man. Like it's not it's the ocean. It's living and breathing and moving.

Yes, it's all fluid, yeah, just like water.

Yes, it's all fluid, yeah, just like water.

Yeah, and just like sexuality and yeah, like choices and partners.

Yeah, and just like sexuality and yeah, like choices and partners.

Yeah, bringing it back, both bringing it back.

Yeah, bringing it back, both bringing it back.

Okay, And why do people say that dancing with the Stars control to a breakup.

Okay, And why do people say that dancing with the Stars control to a breakup.

I don't know, but it's literally not true. For like Eric and I lived in la at the same time. We were in the same city. Some people have like done Dancing with the Stars in different cities and like have made it through, right, I think. And it's an excuse because a lot of times it's right after filming The Bachelor, So it's like because of the timing, they're like, oh, it must be dancing. It's like not that we were in the real world and now we're just figuring out we're not a match because we're not in the bubble and I'm figuring more about this person and like learning I'm not compatible, Like would have done that with or without Dancing with the Stars?

I don't know, but it's literally not true. For like Eric and I lived in la at the same time. We were in the same city. Some people have like done Dancing with the Stars in different cities and like have made it through, right, I think. And it's an excuse because a lot of times it's right after filming The Bachelor, So it's like because of the timing, they're like, oh, it must be dancing. It's like not that we were in the real world and now we're just figuring out we're not a match because we're not in the bubble and I'm figuring more about this person and like learning I'm not compatible, Like would have done that with or without Dancing with the Stars?

Oh yeah, because you know what I did want to ask you just as the first person I've ever interviewed in this experience. I met Tyler Cameron, but I haven't interviewed him yet. But you said you grew up very middle class and chef boy or d yeah, spaghettios. Yeah, So how is a show like that? It is the bubble, but how is that show? How does that show reflect real life in any way? Because if Pete you could fall in love with a frog if you go on this amazing gorgeous helicopter ride, yeah, into an exotic Polynesian island to rose pedals at the dinner table, like yeah, and then you have to go back to Spaghettio's and like, there's no discussion of therapy. There's not really a lot of discussion of religion, there's not a lot of discussion of politics. So yeah, the bubble is even more bubbly than just saying the bubble of a reality show.

Oh yeah, because you know what I did want to ask you just as the first person I've ever interviewed in this experience. I met Tyler Cameron, but I haven't interviewed him yet. But you said you grew up very middle class and chef boy or d yeah, spaghettios. Yeah, So how is a show like that? It is the bubble, but how is that show? How does that show reflect real life in any way? Because if Pete you could fall in love with a frog if you go on this amazing gorgeous helicopter ride, yeah, into an exotic Polynesian island to rose pedals at the dinner table, like yeah, and then you have to go back to Spaghettio's and like, there's no discussion of therapy. There's not really a lot of discussion of religion, there's not a lot of discussion of politics. So yeah, the bubble is even more bubbly than just saying the bubble of a reality show.

That's very true.

That's very true.

When a relationship. Money is one of the biggest things that people discuss in relationships and they argue over Yeah, so how does that even get discussed? Like this is not real life.

When a relationship. Money is one of the biggest things that people discuss in relationships and they argue over Yeah, so how does that even get discussed? Like this is not real life.

Like you try and discuss it, like I will say, you don't know. You're not discussing it when you're there. It's like you try and like ask the questions and you're try and really get to know the person. I think like if somebody is like a different class than you, like very like super duper rich, which I'd probably be like, hey, right, you know, I'm like y even more. But it's like my girlfriend, like money is really she grew up really poor. So the first one. The first question she asked me is like, do you come from money. I'm like, I don't think so, because she needs somebody to relate to, especially being in the industry that way in LA like you don't know where you're coming from kind of how level your head is.

Like you try and discuss it, like I will say, you don't know. You're not discussing it when you're there. It's like you try and like ask the questions and you're try and really get to know the person. I think like if somebody is like a different class than you, like very like super duper rich, which I'd probably be like, hey, right, you know, I'm like y even more. But it's like my girlfriend, like money is really she grew up really poor. So the first one. The first question she asked me is like, do you come from money. I'm like, I don't think so, because she needs somebody to relate to, especially being in the industry that way in LA like you don't know where you're coming from kind of how level your head is.

That's what I'm saying to you. As much as religion is something that you might want someone that is, you know, going to raise your kids Catholic or sure that someone not coming from money and someone coming from money is a very different experience and you can resent it or the person can't relate to your struggles and being on that show, you're sitting next to someone eating caviar. And then also that person's not gonna be able to give you cavier when you get home. Theoretically, unless there's some prints, you know, it's very unrealistic and they don't talk about things. There should be a modern version where they do talk about therapy, and.