Welcome to a special scripture-focused bonus episode of the Jesus Calling Podcast, where we do a deep dive on misunderstood women in the Bible with author, podcaster, and speaker Mary DeMuth. Many of us grew up hearing the stories of women like Bathsheba, Tamar, and the Woman at the Well, often presented in a simplified—and sometimes judgmental—light. But what if the Sunday School lessons we learned missed the mark by overlooking the cultural context, the brutal realities of the time, and what the Bible actually says about these women? Mary DeMuth takes us through a powerful rereading of their narratives, challenging the common misconceptions.

 

Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:

Jesus Calling Podcast

Jesus Calling

Jesus Always

Jesus Listens

 

Mary DeMuth

Pray Every Day Podcast

The Most Misunderstood Women of the Bible by Mary DeMuth

Restory Your Life by Mary DeMuth





Interview Quotes:

“There are some amazing women in the Bible, and sadly I have not heard them preached much except for the heavy hitters. And it gave me an ignited desire to highlight these women because they are part of the story of Scripture.” - Mary DeMuth

“These women, maybe like you, were misunderstood, misjudged. You can learn a lot from these women of the Bible.” - Mary DeMuth

“I think a lot of women ask, How can I get rid of this feeling? How can I get rid of this pain, this trauma, this worry? And yet the Lord is so good, He is with us when we walk through those kinds of really painful journeys.” - Mary DeMuth

“If you have felt like things have been really, really, hard, God is at work. And there will be a moment when He brings healing.” - Mary DeMuth

“One of the themes of my life has been how God has intersected a very broken, traumatic story and brought beauty out of it, healing me to bring me into places of ambassadorship where I am able to walk alongside those who have a similar story and just to see the beauty of the Lord intersecting them.” - Mary DeMuth

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*Episode produced by Four Eyes Media*

Welcome to a special scripture-focused bonus episode of the Jesus Calling Podcast, where we do a deep dive on misunderstood women in the Bible with author, podcaster, and speaker Mary DeMuth. Many of us grew up hearing the stories of women like Bathsheba, Tamar, and the Woman at the Well, often presented in a simplified&mdash;and sometimes judgmental&mdash;light. But what if the Sunday School lessons we learned missed the mark by overlooking the cultural context, the brutal realities of the time, and what the Bible actually says about these women? Mary DeMuth takes us through a powerful rereading of their narratives, challenging the common misconceptions.
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Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/podcast/">Jesus Calling Podcast</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/">Jesus Calling</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/jesus-always/">Jesus Always</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/jesus-listens/">Jesus Listens</a>
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<a href="https://www.marydemuth.com/">Mary DeMuth</a>
<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pray-every-day/id1341945281">Pray Every Day Podcast</a>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Most-Misunderstood-Women-Bible-Thriving/dp/1684512255/ref=sr_1_1?crid=XGFEIXTYVQ6L&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Lwp0n2_qYxpdDESySpBG_sv2_-XGTWOE3mT6ZSguaYw-CViGgkUBT1Fi3VY7mIFLerM_OAS8A3EjMp0CUEDotA.e7fN96qSumy51CtdTFwKEKOXbY7LvB8i7lhzxjJe_KY&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=the+most+misunderstood+women+of+the+bible+mary+demuth&amp;nsdOptOutParam=true&amp;qid=1764783287&amp;sprefix=the+most+misunderstood+women+of+the+bible+mary+demuth%2Caps%2C68&amp;sr=8-1">The Most Misunderstood Women of the Bible by Mary DeMuth</a>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Restory-Your-Life-Reframes-Redefines/dp/B0FD7QP5C3/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2PXTK7BUQYDCI&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vUGEtaXs9-5dGGySM7ytK06iTRsbKFapkX52-BvPiI3GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.NSi71frMC38vzEEKjP6DJuxh_dO_m7K87Nm_XrogTPo&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=restory+your+life+mary+demuth&amp;qid=1764783269&amp;sprefix=restory+your+life+mary+demuth%2Caps%2C77&amp;sr=8-1">Restory Your Life by Mary DeMuth</a>
 
Interview Quotes:
&ldquo;There are some amazing women in the Bible, and sadly I have not heard them preached much except for the heavy hitters. And it gave me an ignited desire to highlight these women because they are part of the story of Scripture.&rdquo; - Mary DeMuth
&ldquo;These women, maybe like you, were misunderstood, misjudged. You can learn a lot from these women of the Bible.&rdquo; - Mary DeMuth
&ldquo;I think a lot of women ask, How can I get rid of this feeling? How can I get rid of this pain, this trauma, this worry? And yet the Lord is so good, He is with us when we walk through those kinds of really painful journeys.&rdquo; - Mary DeMuth
&ldquo;If you have felt like things have been really, really, hard, God is at work. And there will be a moment when He brings healing.&rdquo; - Mary DeMuth
&ldquo;One of the themes of my life has been how God has intersected a very broken, traumatic story and brought beauty out of it, healing me to bring me into places of ambassadorship where I am able to walk alongside those who have a similar story and just to see the beauty of the Lord intersecting them.&rdquo; - Mary DeMuth
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Millions have been encouraged and inspired by the words of the #1 best-selling 365-day devotional "Jesus Calling." Listen to real-life stories of faith as told by those who have experienced the power of living in His presence.

Jesus Calling: Stories of Faith

Millions have been encouraged and inspired by the words of the #1 best-selling 365-day devotional "Jesus Calling." Listen to real-life stories of faith as told by those who have experienced the power of living in His presence.

Jesus Calling

[BONUS] Jesus Calling Scripture Study: Misunderstood Women in the Bible with Mary DeMuth

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/5e27a451-e6e6-4c51-aa03-a7370003783c/clips/a93ee708-0784-4ff9-9994-b3e50105969d/transcript

*This episode mentions suicide and may be triggering for some listeners.

This week, we’ll hear from Ed Newton, pastor of Community Bible Church in San Antonio, Texas. Growing up as a CODA (Child of Deaf Adults), Ed bridged the hearing and deaf worlds for his parents, fostering immense empathy but also hardship. Later, following his parents’ deaths, he faced a tidal wave of despair and suicidal thoughts. He sought professional help and openly shared his struggle with his church, who responded with grace. Now, Ed advocates for the church to be a hospital for the broken, urging people to seek help and recognize it’s okay not to be okay, but not to stay that way.

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from Wendell Vinson and Todd Lamphere from CityServe, an organization that helps equip and empower churches to serve their communities. They discuss CityServe’s mission to equip local churches and to meet the last mile of need in their communities. They highlight the church’s role in community transformation, citing reduced recidivism rates, and its essential “ministry of presence” before, during, and after crises like natural disasters or war. Finally, they acknowledge compassion fatigue, emphasizing that faithful service requires spiritual replenishment in order to continue to serve others well. 

 

Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:

Jesus Calling Podcast

Jesus Calling

Jesus Always

Jesus Listens

Past interview:Erica Campbell

Upcoming interview: Kathie Lee Gifford

Jesus Calling app

 

Ed Newton

CODA (Child of Deaf Adults)

Romans 8:28

www.ednewton.com

Why Not You? Believing What God Believes About You

 

CityServe

Canyon Hills Church

Matthew 16:13-27

prison recidivism

This episode is sponsored by Trinity Debt Management. If you are struggling with debt, call Trinity today. Trinity’s counselors have the knowledge and resources to make a difference. Our intention is to help people become debt-free, and most importantly, remain debt-free for keeps! Call us at 1-800-793-8548 | https://trinitycredit.org

TrinityCredit – Call us at 1-800-793-8548. Whether we’re helping people pay off their unsecured debt or offering assistance to those behind in their mortgage payments, Trinity has the knowledge and resources to make a difference.https://trinitycredit.org

 

Interview Quotes:

“My mission was to actually be the voice for two people that could not speak and to help them understand how to aggregate and acclimate into a hearing world.” - Ed Newton

“It’s okay not to be okay. It’s just not okay to stay that way. God can break every chain.” - Ed Newton 

“I believe some of the healthiest people I have ever met sit on somebody’s couch. I actually think the red flag of danger is for somebody that says, ‘I’m good. I don’t need counseling.’ I would say watch out for that slippery slope of destruction that’s about to happen.” - Ed Newton

“I just think for most people, life gets shaken up and they don’t know what to do with that. Don’t live life all bound up when you can find somebody that would love you, sit with you, and go, ‘Hey, let me tell you what I hear and see. You’re not alone.’” - Ed Newton

“Sometimes churches get it wrong and we slap Bible verses on a chemical disruption in the body. And I want to say, ‘I’m sorry you got hit with a Bible verse when you just needed someone to sit in the puddle of your tears.’” - Ed Newton

“We’re constantly hearing and listening and feeling, but when we do not align our heart to what God says, who is the ultimate voice, then it just conflicts with the directional, navigational component of our life.” - Ed Newton

“There’s a God who never changes, who operates out of the character of sovereignty and goodness, and who’s always working for your greater good. So why not begin a day with Him, and let Him frame the filter of how you’re to see the world?” - Ed Newton

“It’s a beautiful partnership that allows pastors and churches that have a desire to meet the practical, physical needs of the community it was called to serve, and to have an organization come alongside it to help make that happen. This is the beauty of the partnership between the local church and CityServe.” - Todd Lamphere 

“When a person connects with the body of Christ and starts moving down a different path, it transforms community.” - Wendell Vinson 

“What people need in times of disaster more than anything, is they need the ministry of presence.” - Todd Lamphere 

“Compassion is scalable. You start where you are with what you have, and God will take you further.” - Wendell Vinson

“Compassion fatigue is just a reality. You cannot give out what you do not have in you. This is why being saturated in God’s Word every day is so vitally important. It’s a non-negotiable to stay in God’s Word to commune with Him, to listen to worship music, to pray for God to just continue to be your strength, to be your source, to be your all in all.” - Todd Lamphere

“If any of us think that we can in our own strength or power just live out what the Lord’s called us to, we’re mistaken.It all flows out of that personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.” - Wendell Vinson

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Enjoy watching these additional videos from Jesus Calling YouTube channel!

Audio Episodes:     https://bit.ly/3zvjbK7 

Bonus Podcasts:     https://bit.ly/3vfLlGw 

Jesus Listens: Stories of Prayer:  https://bit.ly/3Sd0a6C 

Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

What’s Good?     https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj 

Enneagram:     https://bit.ly/3hzRCCY 

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*This episode mentions suicide and may be triggering for some listeners.
This week, we&rsquo;ll hear from <a href="https://www.communitybible.com/pastor-ed">Ed Newton, pastor of Community Bible Church </a>in San Antonio, Texas. Growing up as a <a href="https://www.coda-international.org/">CODA (Child of Deaf Adults)</a>, Ed bridged the hearing and deaf worlds for his parents, fostering immense empathy but also hardship. Later, following his parents&rsquo; deaths, he faced a tidal wave of despair and suicidal thoughts. He sought professional help and openly shared his struggle with his church, who responded with grace. Now, Ed advocates for the church to be a hospital for the broken, urging people to seek help and recognize it&rsquo;s okay not to be okay, but not to stay that way.
Later in the episode, we&rsquo;ll hear from Wendell Vinson and Todd Lamphere from <a href="https://cityservenetwork.com/">CityServe</a>, an organization that helps equip and empower churches to serve their communities. They discuss CityServe&rsquo;s mission to equip local churches and to meet the last mile of need in their communities. They highlight the church&rsquo;s role in community transformation, citing reduced recidivism rates, and its essential &ldquo;ministry of presence&rdquo; before, during, and after crises like natural disasters or war. Finally, they acknowledge compassion fatigue, emphasizing that faithful service requires spiritual replenishment in order to continue to serve others well.&nbsp;
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Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/podcast/">Jesus Calling Podcast</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/">Jesus Calling</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/jesus-always/">Jesus Always</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/jesus-listens/">Jesus Listens</a>
Past interview: <a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/podcast/created-on-purpose-for-gods-purpose-erica-campbell-and-crystal-paine/">Erica Campbell</a>
Upcoming interview: <a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/podcast/big-changes-new-dreams-kathie-lee-gifford-and-jim-jill-kelly/">Kathie Lee Gifford</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/app/">Jesus Calling app</a>
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<a href="https://www.communitybible.com/pastor-ed">Ed Newton</a>
<a href="https://www.coda-international.org/">CODA (Child of Deaf Adults)</a>
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%208%3A28&amp;version=NIV">Romans 8:28</a>
<a href="http://www.ednewton.com">www.ednewton.com</a>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Why-Not-You-Believing-Believes/dp/1400350875">Why Not You? Believing What God Believes About You</a>
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<a href="https://cityservenetwork.com/">CityServe</a>
<a href="https://canyonhills.com/pastors/">Canyon Hills Church</a>
<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016%3A13-27&amp;version=NIV">Matthew 16:13-27</a>
<a href="https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism">prison recidivism</a>
This episode is sponsored by Trinity Debt Management. If you are struggling with debt, call Trinity today. Trinity&rsquo;s counselors have the knowledge and resources to make a difference. Our intention is to help people become debt-free, and most importantly, remain debt-free for keeps! Call us at 1-800-793-8548 | <a href="https://trinitycredit.org/">https://trinitycredit.org</a>
TrinityCredit &ndash; Call us at 1-800-793-8548. Whether we&rsquo;re helping people pay off their unsecured debt or offering assistance to those behind in their mortgage payments, Trinity has the knowledge and resources to make a difference. <a href="https://trinitycredit.org/">https://trinitycredit.org</a>
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Interview Quotes:
&ldquo;My mission was to actually be the voice for two people that could not speak and to help them understand how to aggregate and acclimate into a hearing world.&rdquo; - Ed Newton
&ldquo;It&rsquo;s okay not to be okay. It&rsquo;s just not okay to stay that way. God can break every chain.&rdquo; - Ed Newton&nbsp;
&ldquo;I believe some of the healthiest people I have ever met sit on somebody&rsquo;s couch. I actually think the red flag of danger is for somebody that says, &lsquo;I&rsquo;m good. I don&rsquo;t need counseling.&rsquo; I would say watch out for that slippery slope of destruction that&rsquo;s about to happen.&rdquo; - Ed Newton
&ldquo;I just think for most people, life gets shaken up and they don&rsquo;t know what to do with that. Don&rsquo;t live life all bound up when you can find somebody that would love you, sit with you, and go, &lsquo;Hey, let me tell you what I hear and see. You&rsquo;re not alone.&rsquo;&rdquo; - Ed Newton
&ldquo;Sometimes churches get it wrong and we slap Bible verses on a chemical disruption in the body. And I want to say, &lsquo;I&rsquo;m sorry you got hit with a Bible verse when you just needed someone to sit in the puddle of your tears.&rsquo;&rdquo; - Ed Newton
&ldquo;We&rsquo;re constantly hearing and listening and feeling, but when we do not align our heart to what God says, who is the ultimate voice, then it just conflicts with the directional, navigational component of our life.&rdquo; - Ed Newton
&ldquo;There&rsquo;s a God who never changes, who operates out of the character of sovereignty and goodness, and who&rsquo;s always working for your greater good. So why not begin a day with Him, and let Him frame the filter of how you&rsquo;re to see the world?&rdquo; - Ed Newton
&ldquo;It&rsquo;s a beautiful partnership that allows pastors and churches that have a desire to meet the practical, physical needs of the community it was called to serve, and to have an organization come alongside it to help make that happen. This is the beauty of the partnership between the local church and CityServe.&rdquo; - Todd Lamphere&nbsp;
&ldquo;When a person connects with the body of Christ and starts moving down a different path, it transforms community.&rdquo; - Wendell Vinson&nbsp;
&ldquo;What people need in times of disaster more than anything, is they need the ministry of presence.&rdquo; - Todd Lamphere&nbsp;
&ldquo;Compassion is scalable. You start where you are with what you have, and God will take you further.&rdquo; - Wendell Vinson
&ldquo;Compassion fatigue is just a reality. You cannot give out what you do not have in you. This is why being saturated in God&rsquo;s Word every day is so vitally important. It&rsquo;s a non-negotiable to stay in God&rsquo;s Word to commune with Him, to listen to worship music, to pray for God to just continue to be your strength, to be your source, to be your all in all.&rdquo; - Todd Lamphere
&ldquo;If any of us think that we can in our own strength or power just live out what the Lord&rsquo;s called us to, we&rsquo;re mistaken. It all flows out of that personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.&rdquo; - Wendell Vinson
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Enjoy watching these additional videos from Jesus Calling YouTube channel!
Audio Episodes: &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="https://bit.ly/3zvjbK7">https://bit.ly/3zvjbK7</a>&nbsp;
Bonus Podcasts: &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="https://bit.ly/3vfLlGw">https://bit.ly/3vfLlGw</a>&nbsp;
Jesus Listens: Stories of Prayer:&nbsp; <a href="https://bit.ly/3Sd0a6C">https://bit.ly/3Sd0a6C</a>&nbsp;
Peace for Everyday Life: &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj">https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj</a>&nbsp;
Peace in Uncertain Times: &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u">https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u</a>&nbsp;
What&rsquo;s Good? &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj">https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj</a>&nbsp;
Enneagram: &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="https://bit.ly/3hzRCCY">https://bit.ly/3hzRCCY</a>&nbsp;
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Dropping Our Masks to Confront Anxiety, Despair, and Real Needs: Ed Newton, Wendell Vinson, and Todd Lamphere

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/5e27a451-e6e6-4c51-aa03-a7370003783c/clips/de80a909-11af-487a-9789-b3fb0128541a/transcript

This week, we’re joined by author and speaker John O’Leary. John shares the story of a joyful Midwestern childhood that was forever changed at age nine by a devastating house fire that doctors said he would not survive. Through the unwavering love of his parents, the kindness of unexpected heroes, and a hard-fought choice to live, John’s life became a testimony to hope rising from unimaginable pain. 

Later in the episode, we’ll hear from finance executive and advisor Athanase Kadita Tshibaka, known as A.T., who was born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. A.T. shares a journey shaped by poverty, displacement, and profound loss, and the faith that sustained him through imprisonment, injustice, and life-threatening trials.

 

Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:

Jesus Calling Podcast

Jesus Calling

Jesus Always

Jesus Listens

Past interview:Alice Marie Johnson

Upcoming interview: Ed Newton

 

John O’Leary

Soul on Fire

Jack Buck

www.johnolearyinspires.com

 

Athanase Kadita Tshibaka

Son of the Congo

 

This episode is sponsored by Trinity Debt Management. If you are struggling with debt, call Trinity today. Trinity’s counselors have the knowledge and resources to make a difference. Our intention is to help people become debt-free, and most importantly, remain debt-free for keeps! Call us at 1-800-793-8548 | https://trinitycredit.org

TrinityCredit – Call us at 1-800-793-8548. Whether we’re helping people pay off their unsecured debt or offering assistance to those behind in their mortgage payments, Trinity has the knowledge and resources to make a difference.https://trinitycredit.org

 

Interview Quotes:

“The heroes show up, and none of them wear tights. None of them wear capes. They just look like ordinary friends who faithfully live out the message of Jesus in life.” - John O’Leary

“I think when we get burned in life, whatever that looks like for all of us, we can become bitter about it and wonder where God is in our mess. Or you can recognize that God is all over this mess with you and that you can reveal that goodness and that grace and that mercy to others through your life.” - John O’Leary 

“I think when you go through a [difficult] event, at any age, it’s easy to really quickly decide whether I will be a victim or a victor to this. Even if you feel like you have no talent, your life is a precious, priceless gift. You have one job, to say yes to being used for good.” - John O’Leary

“Your life, in spite of what you’ve been through or done, can be used in mighty ways.” - John O’Leary 

“Even though we were essentially living in poverty… [my mother] had to struggle, she had to really work hard. But even with her very meager means, my mom showed me the value of hospitality and the value of generosity. There was never an instant where some strangers came and she let them just go hungry. Above it all, God’s grace.” - Athanase Kadita Tshibaka 

“When I decided to accept Christ as Lord and Savior, I had nobody pushing me, I had nobody influencing me except that very still voice, very gentle, saying that was my day of decision.” - Athanse Kadita Tshibaka

“Like most people, I am a cracked pot, a leaking vessel, and I need to be refilled by His Holy Spirit daily. Reading the Bible and being attentive to the promptings of the Holy Spirit helps keep us growing.” - Athanase Kadita Tshibaka

________________________

Enjoy watching these additional videos from Jesus Calling YouTube channel!

Audio Episodes:     https://bit.ly/3zvjbK7 

Bonus Podcasts:     https://bit.ly/3vfLlGw 

Jesus Listens: Stories of Prayer:  https://bit.ly/3Sd0a6C 

Peace for Everyday Life:     https://bit.ly/3zzwFoj 

Peace in Uncertain Times:     https://bit.ly/3cHfB6u 

What’s Good?     https://bit.ly/3vc2cKj 

Enneagram:     https://bit.ly/3hzRCCY 

________________________ 

Connect with Jesus Calling

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Facebook

Twitter

Pinterest

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This week, we&rsquo;re joined by author and speaker <a href="https://johnolearyinspires.com/johns-story/">John O&rsquo;Leary</a>. John shares the story of a joyful Midwestern childhood that was forever changed at age nine by a devastating house fire that doctors said he would not survive. Through the unwavering love of his parents, the kindness of unexpected heroes, and a hard-fought choice to live, John&rsquo;s life became a testimony to hope rising from unimaginable pain.&nbsp;
Later in the episode, we&rsquo;ll hear from finance executive and advisor <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kadita-tshibaka-7b04aa13">Athanase Kadita Tshibaka</a>, known as A.T., who was born in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. A.T. shares a journey shaped by poverty, displacement, and profound loss, and the faith that sustained him through imprisonment, injustice, and life-threatening trials.
&nbsp;
Links, Products, and Resources Mentioned:
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/podcast/">Jesus Calling Podcast</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/">Jesus Calling</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/jesus-always/">Jesus Always</a>
<a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/books/jesus-listens/">Jesus Listens</a>
Past interview: <a href="https://www.jesuscalling.com/podcast/god-can-bring-hope-and-healing-to-anyone-alice-marie-johnson-christina-zorich/">Alice Marie Johnson</a>
Upcoming interview: <a href="https://www.communitybible.com/pastor-ed">Ed Newton</a>
&nbsp;
<a href="https://johnolearyinspires.com/johns-story/">John O&rsquo;Leary</a>
<a href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt28078628/">Soul on Fire</a>
<a href="https://historicmissourians.shsmo.org/jack-buck/">Jack Buck</a>
<a href="http://www.johnolearyinspires.com">www.johnolearyinspires.com</a>
&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kadita-tshibaka-7b04aa13">Athanase Kadita Tshibaka</a>
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Son-Congo-Journey-Tragedy-Transformation/dp/163763479X">Son of the Congo</a>
&nbsp;
This episode is sponsored by Trinity Debt Management. If you are struggling with debt, call Trinity today. Trinity&rsquo;s counselors have the knowledge and resources to make a difference. Our intention is to help people become debt-free, and most importantly, remain debt-free for keeps! Call us at 1-800-793-8548 | <a href="https://trinitycredit.org/">https://trinitycredit.org</a>
TrinityCredit &ndash; Call us at 1-800-793-8548. Whether we&rsquo;re helping people pay off their unsecured debt or offering assistance to those behind in their mortgage payments, Trinity has the knowledge and resources to make a difference. <a href="https://trinitycredit.org/">https://trinitycredit.org</a>
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Interview Quotes:
&ldquo;The heroes show up, and none of them wear tights. None of them wear capes. They just look like ordinary friends who faithfully live out the message of Jesus in life.&rdquo; - John O&rsquo;Leary
&ldquo;I think when we get burned in life, whatever that looks like for all of us, we can become bitter about it and wonder where God is in our mess. Or you can recognize that God is all over this mess with you and that you can reveal that goodness and that grace and that mercy to others through your life.&rdquo; - John O&rsquo;Leary&nbsp;
&ldquo;I think when you go through a [difficult] event, at any age, it&rsquo;s easy to really quickly decide whether I will be a victim or a victor to this. Even if you feel like you have no talent, your life is a precious, priceless gift. You have one job, to say yes to being used for good.&rdquo; - John O&rsquo;Leary
&ldquo;Your life, in spite of what you&rsquo;ve been through or done, can be used in mighty ways.&rdquo; - John O&rsquo;Leary&nbsp;
&ldquo;Even though we were essentially living in poverty&hellip; [my mother] had to struggle, she had to really work hard. But even with her very meager means, my mom showed me the value of hospitality and the value of generosity. There was never an instant where some strangers came and she let them just go hungry. Above it all, God&rsquo;s grace.&rdquo; - Athanase Kadita Tshibaka&nbsp;
&ldquo;When I decided to accept Christ as Lord and Savior, I had nobody pushing me, I had nobody influencing me except that very still voice, very gentle, saying that was my day of decision.&rdquo; - Athanse Kadita Tshibaka
&ldquo;Like most people, I am a cracked pot, a leaking vessel, and I need to be refilled by His Holy Spirit daily. Reading the Bible and being attentive to the promptings of the Holy Spirit helps keep us growing.&rdquo; - Athanase Kadita Tshibaka
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Choosing Victory Over Victimhood: John O’Leary & Athanase Kadita Tshibaka

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What if the struggles in your marriage aren’t just about today, but about untold stories from long ago? In this episode of “Jesus Listens,” Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call explore how past wounds, unspoken patterns, and even everyday tones of contempt shape our relationships more than we realize. The themes discussed are found in their new book “The Deep-Rooted Marriage.” 

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What if the struggles in your marriage aren&rsquo;t just about today, but about untold stories from long ago? In this episode of &ldquo;Jesus Listens,&rdquo; Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call explore how past wounds, unspoken patterns, and even everyday tones of contempt shape our relationships more than we realize. The themes discussed are found in their new book &ldquo;The Deep-Rooted Marriage.&rdquo;&nbsp;
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[JESUS LISTENS MONTHLY SERIES] How Do We Heal Past Wounds in Marriage? Part 1 with Dr. Dan Allender & Dr. Steve Call

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