A bonus episode (and a re-release) for Valentine’s week - the love story at the core of the best-selling book, It’s OK that You’re Not OK, this podcast, and all of Megan’s work. This episode is unlike our normal weekly show. Tune in, and let us know if you’d like more occasional bonus episodes.

Resources: 

This essay first appeared in a slightly different form on Modern Loss

Get in touch: 



Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A sessions. All the info at this link. 



Thanks for listening to this week’s bonus episode of Here After with Megan Devine. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, send in your questions, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 



For more information, including clinical training and consulting, visit us at www.megandevine.co



For grief support & education, follow us at @refugeingrief on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok



Check out Megan’s best-selling books -It’s OK That You’re Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed.

A bonus episode (and a re-release) for Valentine’s week - the love story at the core of the best-selling book, It’s OK that You’re Not OK, this podcast, and all of Megan’s work. This episode is unlike our normal weekly show. Tune in, and let us know if you’d like more occasional bonus episodes.
Resources: 
This essay first appeared in a slightly different form on <a href="https://modernloss.com/half-life-love/">Modern Loss</a>
Get in touch: 
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&amp;A sessions. <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">All the info at this link. </a>
 
Thanks for listening to this week’s bonus episode of Here After with Megan Devine. Tune in, subscribe, leave a review, send in your questions, and share the show with everyone you know. Together, we can make things better, even when they can’t be made right. 
 
For more information, including clinical training and consulting, visit us at <a href="http://www.megandevine.co/">www.megandevine.co</a>
 
For grief support &amp; education, follow us at @refugeingrief on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief">Twitter,</a> and <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief">TikTok</a>
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books - <a href="https://refugeingrief.com/book/">It’s OK That You’re Not OK</a> and <a href="https://refugeingrief.com/grief-journal/">How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed.</a>

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 

With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.

New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief & follow the show @ItsOKPod

Life is full of difficult things, from tiny everyday disappointments to life-altering events. Everyone’s at least a little bit Not OK, something grief expert and psychotherapist Megan Devine knows from the inside out. In wide ranging, insightful, deep conversations, Megan talks with people about their often invisible losses - and what they’ve learned about being seen and supported in difficult times. 
With guests pulled from the front lines of entertainment, medicine, education, and activism, the conversations in It’s OK that You’re Not OK are funny, complex, emotional, and hopeful - maybe not your typical dinner party topics, but none of us are entirely OK, and it’s time we start talking about that.
New episodes each and every Monday, from the author of the best-selling book, It’s OK That You’re Not OK, and iHeartMedia. Find Megan online at @refugeingrief &amp; follow the show @ItsOKPod

It’s OK That You’re Not OK with Megan Devine

The Half Life of Love (A Short Love Story)

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/09711b3a-23d5-4882-8cd1-afa4001196b9/transcript

Can you hide in plain sight?

From trans beauty pageants in the Philippines, to the catwalks of New York City fashion week, to the Ted Talk mainstage – Filipina-American model Geena Rocero has lived an astounding life. This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK, the author of Horse Barbie: A Memoir shares what it costs to suppress your true self in order to find safety and success, and why joy is powerful medicine. 

Geena Rocero is a trans advocate, speaker, and author of the new book, Horse Barbie.



In this episode we cover: 
Why do we have to talk about gender all the time anyway?
How can parents support trans children? 
The history of trans beauty pageants in the Philippines
Why joy - and a sense of humor - are real survival tools



We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.



Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here.





Related Episodes:

Coming Home to Yourself with Alex Elle

If I Survived, You Can Too! Author Emi Nietfeld on the Hollowness of the Transformation Narrative

Over and Over Again: Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch on the Power of Storytelling





About our guest:

Geena Rocero is a Filipina-American model, public speaker, author, and trans rights advocate. Ms. Rocero made history as the first trans woman ambassador for Miss Universe Nepal, and the first trans Asian Playboy Playmate of the Year. Her TED Talk, “Why I Must Come Out,” has been viewed over 3.7 million times. She’s an advisory board member of SeeHer, a global coalition working to increase representation and accurate portrayal of all women and girls in marketing, media, and entertainment. 

She’s spoken at the White House and United Nations, and has been featured on CNN, MSNBC, Glamour,Cosmopolitan, Vanity Fair, and Variety. Her bookHorse Barbie: A Memoir was named one of the Best Memoirs of 2023 by Elle Magazine. Find her @geenarocero on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter



About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief



Additional Resources:

Watch Geena’s TED Talk “Why I Must Come Out”



Read Geena’s book - Horse Barbie: A Memoir 



Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here. 



Check out Megan’s best-selling books -It’s OK That You're Not OK andHow to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed

Books and resources may contain affiliate links.

Can you hide in plain sight?
From trans beauty pageants in the Philippines, to the catwalks of New York City fashion week, to the Ted Talk mainstage – Filipina-American model Geena Rocero has lived an astounding life. This week on It’s OK that You’re Not OK, the author of <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884">Horse Barbie: A Memoir</a> shares what it costs to suppress your true self in order to find safety and success, and why joy is powerful medicine. 
Geena Rocero is a trans advocate, speaker, and author of the new book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884">Horse Barbie</a>.
 
In this episode we cover: 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Why do we have to talk about gender all the time anyway?</li>
<li aria-level="1">How can parents support trans children? </li>
<li aria-level="1">The history of trans beauty pageants in the Philippines</li>
<li aria-level="1">Why joy - and a sense of humor - are real survival tools</li>
</ul>
 
We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.
 
Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/wyg">course here</a>.
 
Related Episodes:
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/coming-home-to-yourself-with-alex-109226099/">Coming Home to Yourself with Alex Elle</a>
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/if-i-survived-you-can-too-105527210/">If I Survived, You Can Too! Author Emi Nietfeld on the Hollowness of the Transformation Narrative</a>
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/over-and-over-again-illustrator-aubrey-102744533/">Over and Over Again: Illustrator Aubrey Hirsch on the Power of Storytelling</a>
 
About our guest:
Geena Rocero is a Filipina-American model, public speaker, author, and trans rights advocate. Ms. Rocero made history as the first trans woman ambassador for Miss Universe Nepal, and the first trans Asian Playboy Playmate of the Year. Her TED Talk, “<a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/geena_rocero_why_i_must_come_out?language=en">Why I Must Come Out</a>,” has been viewed over 3.7 million times. She’s an advisory board member of<a href="https://www.seeher.com/"> SeeHer</a>, a global coalition working to increase representation and accurate portrayal of all women and girls in marketing, media, and entertainment. 
She’s spoken at the White House and United Nations, and has been featured on CNN, MSNBC, Glamour, Cosmopolitan, Vanity Fair, and Variety. Her book<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884"> Horse Barbie: A Memoir</a> was named one of the Best Memoirs of 2023 by Elle Magazine. Find her @geenarocero on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief
 
Additional Resources:
Watch Geena’s TED Talk “<a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/geena_rocero_why_i_must_come_out?language=en">Why I Must Come Out</a>”
 
Read Geena’s book - <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593445884">Horse Barbie: A Memoir </a>
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books -<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074"> It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708"> How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.

Horse Barbie & Cultivating Trans Joy with Geena Rocero

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Have you ever put on a face mask, expecting it to solve all your mental health problems? 

That seems…unrealistic, but it’s what self-care marketing tells us: get your self-care right, and all your difficulties will evaporate. 

This week on It’s OK, Dr. Pooja Lakshmin, author of Real Self-Care, breaks down what “self-care” actually means when we’re living in a complex, capitalistic world. It’s an exploration of grief, burnout, and exhaustion, and what it takes to care for yourself inside systems that repeatedly ignore their part in your suffering. 



In this episode we cover: 
Why self-care doesn’t work
How hope is different than optimism
Does looking for your own answers mean you have to do things alone?
Accepting help as a bid for connection
How Dr. Lakshmin’s definition of boundaries can help you practice real self-care



We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.



Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here.



Follow the show on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok @refugeingrief



Related episodes:

Rage Becomes Her (and by “her” I mean US) with Soraya Chemaly



Living with Chronic Illness: A Conversation for Everyone with a Body with Sarah Ramey.





About our guest:

Dr. Pooja Lakshmin MD is a psychiatrist, a clinical assistant professor at George Washington University School of Medicine, and the founder and CEO of Gemma, the women’s mental health community centering impact and equity. She has spent thousands of hours taking care of women struggling with burnout, despair, depression, and anxiety in her clinical practice. Her debut non-fiction book,Real Self-Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness (Crystals, Cleanses, and Bubble Baths Not Included), is available in e-book, hardcover, and audiobook narrated by Pooja.



About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief



Additional Resources:

Read “Hope is Not a Thing to Have – It’s a Skill to Practice” at Oprah Daily



Read “How Society Has Turned Its Back on Mothers” at The New York Times



Read “Saying ‘No’ Is Self-Care for Parents” at The New York Times



Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here. 



Check out Megan’s best-selling books -It’s OK That You're Not OK andHow to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed

Books and resources may contain affiliate links.

Have you ever put on a face mask, expecting it to solve all your mental health problems? 
That seems…unrealistic, but it’s what self-care marketing tells us: get your self-care right, and all your difficulties will evaporate. This week on It’s OK, Dr. Pooja Lakshmin, author of <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593489727">Real Self-Care</a>, breaks down what “self-care” actually means when we’re living in a complex, capitalistic world. It’s an exploration of grief, burnout, and exhaustion, and what it takes to care for yourself inside systems that repeatedly ignore their part in your suffering. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Why self-care doesn’t work</li>
<li aria-level="1">How hope is different than optimism</li>
<li aria-level="1">Does looking for your own answers mean you have to do things alone?</li>
<li aria-level="1">Accepting help as a bid for connection</li>
<li aria-level="1">How Dr. Lakshmin’s definition of boundaries can help you practice real self-care</li>
</ul>
 
We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.
 
Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/wyg">course here</a>.
 
Follow the show on<a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/"> Instagram</a>,<a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/"> Facebook</a>,<a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief"> Twitter</a>, and<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief"> TikTok</a> @refugeingrief
 
Related episodes:
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/rage-becomes-her-and-by-her-108030869/">Rage Becomes Her (and by “her” I mean US) with Soraya Chemaly</a>
 
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/living-with-chronic-illness-a-conversation-115630505/">Living with Chronic Illness: A Conversation for Everyone with a Body with Sarah Ramey</a>.
 
About our guest:
Dr. Pooja Lakshmin MD is a psychiatrist, a clinical assistant professor at George Washington University School of Medicine, and the founder and CEO of <a href="https://www.gemmawomen.com/">Gemma</a>, the women’s mental health community centering impact and equity. She has spent thousands of hours taking care of women struggling with burnout, despair, depression, and anxiety in her clinical practice. Her debut non-fiction book,<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780593489727"> Real Self-Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness (Crystals, Cleanses, and Bubble Baths Not Included)</a>, is available in e-book, hardcover, and audiobook narrated by Pooja.
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief
 
Additional Resources:
Read <a href="https://www.oprahdaily.com/entertainment/books/a41283632/pooja-laskhmin-roe-v-wade/">“Hope is Not a Thing to Have – It’s a Skill to Practice” at Oprah Daily</a>
 
Read <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/04/parenting/working-mom-burnout-coronavirus.html">“How Society Has Turned Its Back on Mothers” at The New York Times</a>
 
Read <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/parenting/burnout-boundaries.html">“Saying ‘No’ Is Self-Care for Parents” at The New York Times</a>
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books -<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074"> It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708"> How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.

Real Self-Care with Dr. Pooja Lakshmin

We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it? 

It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds. 



In this episode we cover: 


Is halting climate change really dependent on personal recycling and whether we use plastic straws? 
Is it okay to have intense emotional responses to wildfires, floods, and the inaction of those “in charge”? 
How the boomer generation is using their experience and wealth to revisit the activism of their youth (and supporting younger activists at the same time)
How talking about our fears and our ecological grief gives us common ground to fight for our future - and our present. 





We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.



Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here.





For more on activism in the face of impossible odds listen to these related episodes: 

Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with Nazanin Nour

Wonder in an Age of Violence with Valarie Kaur & See No Stranger





About our guest:

Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist, author, and journalist who has written extensively on the impact of global warming. His books includeThe End of Nature, about climate change, andFalter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out?, about the state of the environmental challenges facing humanity. 

Bill is a contributing writer to The New Yorker (read his latest piece here), and founder of Third Act, which organizes people over the age of sixty for progressive change.



About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief

Additional Resources:

Terry Tempest Williams’ book Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place, and her recent NYT article on Utah’s great Salt Lake (gift link, no subscription needed)



Explore Joanna Macy’s work on the intersection of grief and activism at her website, or her books, including Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects, World as Lover, World as Self, and Widening Circles: A Memoir



Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here. 



Check out Megan’s best-selling books -It’s OK That You're Not OK andHow to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed

Books and resources may contain affiliate links.



Follow our show on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok @refugeingrief

For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us atrefugeingrief.com

We’re in a massive climate crisis, but it’s hard to think about it, isn’t it? 
It’s a great temptation to shut our eyes to climate change. It’s overwhelming. This week on the show, climate activist and author Bill McKibben on facing the reality of the climate crisis, understanding what needs to change, and what you can do - not just to change the course of humanity and the planet, but to feel more hopeful and connected as this all unfolds. 
 
In this episode we cover: 
 
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Is halting climate change really dependent on personal recycling and whether we use plastic straws? </li>
<li aria-level="1">Is it okay to have intense emotional responses to wildfires, floods, and the inaction of those “in charge”? </li>
<li aria-level="1">How the boomer generation is using their experience and wealth to revisit the activism of their youth (and supporting younger activists at the same time)</li>
<li aria-level="1">How talking about our fears and our ecological grief gives us common ground to fight for our future - and our present. </li>
</ul>
 
We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.
 
Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief <a href="http://refugeingrief.com/wyg">course here</a>.
 
For more on activism in the face of impossible odds listen to these related episodes: 
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/women-life-freedom-grief-and-power-103663616/">Women, Life, Freedom: Grief and Power In Iran, with Nazanin Nour</a>
<a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-its-ok-that-youre-not-ok-89497701/episode/wonder-in-an-age-of-violence-117639477/">Wonder in an Age of Violence with Valarie Kaur &amp; See No Stranger</a>
 
About our guest:
Bill McKibben is an American environmentalist, author, and journalist who has written extensively on the impact of global warming. His books include<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780812976083"> The End of Nature</a>, about<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change"> climate change</a>, and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781250256850"> Falter: Has the Human Game Begun to Play Itself Out?</a>, about the state of the environmental challenges facing humanity. 
Bill is a contributing writer to The New Yorker (<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/to-save-the-planet-should-we-really-be-moving-slower">read his latest piece here</a>), and founder of<a href="https://thirdact.org/"> Third Act</a>, which organizes people over the age of sixty for progressive change.
 
About Megan: 
Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074">It’s Ok that You’re Not OK</a>, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief
Additional Resources:
Terry Tempest Williams’ book <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780679740247">Refuge: An Unnatural History of Family and Place</a>, and her recent <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/25/opinion/great-salt-lake-drought-utah-climate-change.html?unlocked_article_code=P_-7GJczsfGXCYmiOOKwziPh0Ez9UZOhqSycJcaGsGiLmQTVnEmc5xRm-8XWxp1j3DGC2COTAT6wCMR8cvjUjVuCZU9DVMMPxMZlRFFTMwvVF8N1kcLgW-PLlaDr-ReKfczUxRKOLM-kOWOoBRoPZFHOWnVZzk4nRVuTAVkoP-AZ4RGLiXu0zq0hnY92-IbF9c86Ozdzozb4i8WotR_Q9uBvAPF6ehDc8StqvoH7XVFAYUSfprpo3hwwPX9hnlLN1lna_7LUQLnULnJ0cpgMY6r10xVYPgd4w_diznpNTJZaaEFHzCpuypb5fTGyHKZOk7ucI3gaAZLfQnymcZ7-jm7bwgIS5cC7ONVrCkre4WPddkbXuQ&amp;smid=tw-share">NYT article on Utah’s great Salt Lake</a> (gift link, no subscription needed)
 
Explore Joanna Macy’s work on the intersection of grief and activism <a href="https://www.joannamacy.net/">at her website</a>, or her books, including <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9780865717756">Coming Back to Life: The Updated Guide to the Work That Reconnects</a>, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781946764843">World as Lover, World as Self</a>, and <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781897408018">Widening Circles: A Memoir</a>
 
Want to talk with Megan directly? <a href="https://www.patreon.com/megandevine">Join our patreon community</a> for live monthly Q&amp;A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd0EjlSBXpJCil0TqCMp1sC-1SlWfBpC_jcVPOmrH5eJTMSFw/viewform">Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here</a>. 
 
Check out Megan’s best-selling books -<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781622039074"> It’s OK That You're Not OK</a> and<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/96103/9781683643708"> How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed</a>
Books and resources may contain affiliate links.
 
Follow our show on<a href="https://www.instagram.com/refugeingrief/"> Instagram</a>,<a href="https://www.facebook.com/refugeingrief/"> Facebook</a>,<a href="https://twitter.com/refugeingrief"> Twitter</a>, and<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@refugeingrief"> TikTok</a> @refugeingrief
For more information, including clinical training and consulting and to share your thoughts, visit us at<a href="https://refugeingrief.com/"> refugeingrief.com</a>

Is There Any Good News on Climate Change? with Bill McKibben

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