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Live Each Day Like It’s Your First: with Alua Arthur

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What would a meaningful life look like for you?

According to Death Doula Alua Arthur, conversations about death can be the most enriching conversations we have. 


It’s not about accepting death, or avoiding grief - it’s about building a relationship with yourself and others that doesn’t hold anything back. Why should you listen? Yeah, because you’re mortal and one day you'll die, but more importantly: because one day, hopefully in the far off future, you’ll look back at this life you’ve lived. Conversations about death can make that life so much better. 


Alua’s new book is Briefly Perfectly Human: Making an Authentic Life by Getting Real about the End. For more info visit


In this episode we cover: 


  • What’s a Death Doula? 
  • Does being honest about death give you access to joy?
  • Should you tell someone that they’re dying, or does that remove hope? 
  • Why living each day like it’s your last is unrealistic (and what to do instead) 
  • The linking of death and grief: Death and grief are married, but grief definitely dates around. 


We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.


Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here.

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About our guest:

Alua Arthur is a Death Doula, recovering attorney, and the founder of Going with Grace, a Death Doula training and end-of-life planning organization that exists to support people as they answer the question, “What must I do to be at peace with myself so that I may live presently and die gracefully?” She’s been featured in the LA Times, Vogue, Refinery29, The Doctors, and alongside Chris Hemsworth on the docuseries, Limitless. Find her at and on Instagram at @going_with_grace 


About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief


Additional Resources:

Read Alua’s new book - Briefly Perfectly Human


Going with Grace


Megan mentions this book -  Pronoia Is the Antidote for Paranoia


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Check out Megan’s best-selling books - It’s OK That You're Not OK and How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed

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