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Rage Becomes Her (and by “her” I mean US) with Soraya Chemaly

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What do we lose when we’re not allowed to be angry? 


In a lot of ways, anger is more taboo than grief. They’re deeply related, as you’ll hear in this two-part episode: both grief and anger are considered “negative” emotions, things you shouldn’t feel, and definitely shouldn’t express in polite company. But what if reclaiming our anger was the way to build the world - and the relationships - we most want?

All of that and more with the best selling author of Rage Becomes Her, Soraya Chemaly. 


In this two-part episode we cover: 


  • What is the right amount of anger?
  • Why deciding some emotions are “good” and some are “bad” isn’t really helpful 
  • What would “anger competence” or “anger literacy” look like? (and why would you want that??) 
  • Why Soraya says “most grief is ambiguous grief”
  • How the old split between the head (logic) and the heart (emotion) cuts us off from what we most want
  • Finding your best community by embracing your anger


We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2023.


Looking for a creative exploration of grief? Check out the best selling Writing Your Grief course here.


About our guest:

Soraya Chemaly is an award-winning writer and activist whose work focuses on the role of gender in culture, politics, religion, and media. She is the Director of the Women’s Media Center Speech Project and an advocate for women’s freedom of expression and expanded civic and political engagement. A prolific writer and speaker, her articles appear in TIME, The Verge, The Guardian, The Nation, HuffPost, and The Atlantic. Find her best selling book, Rage Becomes Her at Follow her on social media @sorayachemaly


About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief


Additional Resources:

We mention Pauline Boss in this episode. If you’re not familiar with her excellent work on ambiguous loss (a term she coined in the 1970s), check out her website at


To read more about anger and how it relates to grief, check out It’s OK that You’re Not OK.


If you want to explore your anger with creative prompts and exercises, check out the guided journal for grief, How to Carry What Can’t Be Fixed


Want to talk with Megan directly? Join our patreon community for live monthly Q&A grief clinics: your questions, answered. Want to speak to her privately? Apply for a 1:1 grief consultation here


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