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Complex PTSD and the Art of Survival with Author Stephanie Foo

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If you’ve lived through horrific trauma or abuse, is it really fair of us to say that the ways you’ve learned to cope are “bad,” or to use clinical speak, “maladaptive”? 

This week on It’s OK, Stephanie Foo, author of What My Bones Know, joins me to talk about complex PTSD and the ways we pathologize human responses to trauma. You’ll also hear how claiming your own messy, complex coping mechanisms can help you build a community that sees you and loves you. 

If you’re haunted by any type of trauma, or know someone who is, this conversation is a great introduction to complex PTSD, and the work of survivorship. 


In this episode we cover: 


  • Why pretending to be a high-performing badass is maybe not in your best interest
  • How storytelling can make you feel less freakish and alone
  • The real problem with most books on trauma and C-PTSD


We're re-releasing some of our favorite episodes from the first 3 seasons. This episode was originally recorded in 2022.


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About our guest:

Stephanie Foo is a C-PTSD survivor, writer, and radio producer, most recently for This American Life. Her work has aired on Snap Judgment, Reply All, 99% Invisible, and Radiolab. A noted speaker and instructor, she has taught at Columbia University and has spoken at venues from Sundance Film Festival to the Missouri Department of Mental Health. She lives in New York City with her husband.


Find her at and on Instagram @foofoofoo


About Megan: 

Psychotherapist Megan Devine is one of today’s leading experts on grief, from life-altering losses to the everyday grief that we don’t call grief. Get the best-selling book on grief in over a decade, It’s Ok that You’re Not OK, wherever you get books. Find Megan @refugeingrief


Additional Resources:

Read Stephanie’s book, What My Bones Know: A Memoir of Healing from Complex Trauma


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