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It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here

The Problem of Deradicalization

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/829330bf-a82e-461f-b1b7-ae2d01524884/transcript

In the first of five episodes, James describes his journey to the Darién gap in Southern Panama, and the journeys that thousands of migrants take each week on one of the most dangerous land migration routes on earth.

Original Air Date: 10.28.24

Sources:

https://www.notiparole.com

https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5

https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html

https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino

https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/

https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/

https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one

https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html

https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf

https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers

https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama

In the first of five episodes, James describes his journey to the Dari&eacute;n gap in Southern Panama, and the journeys that thousands of migrants take each week on one of the most dangerous land migration routes on earth.
Original Air Date: 10.28.24
Sources:
<a href="https://www.notiparole.com" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="05469464-63d5-41d3-b7f4-dbc97aa01b8e">https://www.notiparole.com</a>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="36ca1c0e-3a99-469b-b302-cf7e7226e606">https://www.instagram.com/p/DAaDkSwh1Jk/?igsh=bmgyanBteW10czd5</a>
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="46d83a64-76ae-4acf-b813-c8001428d0a1">https://www.nytimes.com/1964/09/20/archives/a-new-canaldug-by-atom-bombs-nuclear-energy-is-the-key-to-replacing.html</a>
<a href="https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="8106c760-0d4a-426f-99ed-fd7b6f367395">https://www.themanual.com/outdoors/darien-gap-feature/</a>
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="131c8d68-36f2-4555-8f3e-18f6a297fefd">https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/18/panama-darien-gap-jose-raul-mulino</a>
<a href="https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="fe22b786-20d1-47f4-938c-832dacc2b0b8">https://americasquarterly.org/article/the-darien-gaps-fearsome-reputation-has-been-centuries-in-the-making/</a>
<a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="cc434d8e-7cf8-4770-92df-d4848d7a9529">https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/10/27/the-darien-gap-a-deadly-extension-of-the-us-border</a>
<a href="https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="b97b5ee6-8eb8-48da-be5d-645bdf1682c0">https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/supporting_resources/jmhs.pdf</a>
<a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="8e126441-ff4c-4e7c-ad01-b52a0f782e5e">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/20/snakes-swamps-whisky-british-explorers-went-ultimate-boys-adventure/</a>
<a href="https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="52b414ed-875c-40f2-b135-38a032107ddd">https://www.strausscenter.org/publications/asylum-processing-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-august-2024/</a>
<a href="https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="d0aa546a-6c5a-4a72-af9d-f836d745c825">https://www.gob.mx/inm/prensa/el-gobierno-mexicano-y-el-inm-articulan-corredor-emergente-de-movilidad-segura-para-el-traslado-de-personas-extranjeras-con-cita-cbp-one</a>
<a href="https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="cfe86fe6-9617-4ddb-8d1b-af710563ce7f">https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-03-23/kidnapping-and-escape-of-95-ecuadorian-migrants-in-chiapas-if-you-continue-informing-we-will-return-them-in-bags.html</a>
<a href="https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="662b6583-14e8-4846-a5df-9c3f373c68a0">https://humanrightsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Asylum-Policies-Harm-Black-Asylum-Seekers-FACTSHEET-formatted.pdf</a>
<a href="https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="ec56a1a2-4eb1-4264-8877-3d796c49650f">https://respondcrisistranslation.org/en/newsb/cbp-ones-obscene-language-errors-create-more-barriers-for-asylum-seekers</a>
<a href="https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="a369a72b-9208-409e-ac89-b7698b605d0f">https://www.msf.org/lack-action-sees-sharp-rise-sexual-violence-people-transiting-darien-gap-panama</a>

CZM Rewind: The Green Hell: Migration Through the Darién Gap

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/f3c32bc2-5de4-41e2-a95a-b3b6016919f0/transcript

Mia talks about the new Abundance movement, its ideas and how it operates as a Trojan horse for its funders Peter Thiel and the Koch Brothers.

Orignal Air Date: 9.9.25

Sources:

https://thebaffler.com/latest/whats-the-matter-with-abundance-harris?ref=newintermag.com

https://newintermag.com/abundance-big-techs-bid-for-the-democratic-party/#fn16

https://archive.vn/zgPJ8

https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Abundance-Ecosystem-Report-Final.pdf

https://www.semafor.com/article/08/17/2025/with-the-argument-the-left-gets-a-new-publication

http://www.thinktankwatch.com/2022/01/washingtons-newest-think-tank-institute.html

https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism

https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/who-is-behind-the-growing-abundance-movement/

https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis

https://www.abundancedc.org/speakers

https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis

https://archive.vn/GKRmw#selection-377.0-377.19

https://www.theargumentmag.com/about

https://prospect.org/economy/2024-11-26-abundance-agenda-neoliberalisms-rebrand/

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/dc-attorney-general-inks-first-settlement-realpage-price-fixing-lawsuit-2025-06-02/

https://www.economicliberties.us/press-release/economic-liberties-launches-2025-end-rental-price-fixing-campaign/

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/12/17/the-cost-of-anticompetitive-pricing-algorithms-in-rental-housing/

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters

https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters

https://techfascism.substack.com/p/the-network-state-and-infrastructure

Mia talks about the new Abundance movement, its ideas and how it operates as a Trojan horse for its funders Peter Thiel and the Koch Brothers.
Orignal Air Date: 9.9.25
Sources:
<a href="https://thebaffler.com/latest/whats-the-matter-with-abundance-harris?ref=newintermag.com" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="eb4ca10f-8997-4436-bc62-99627567331b">https://thebaffler.com/latest/whats-the-matter-with-abundance-harris?ref=newintermag.com</a>
<a href="https://newintermag.com/abundance-big-techs-bid-for-the-democratic-party/#fn16" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="dbee7002-e304-48e3-8242-80f619766df2">https://newintermag.com/abundance-big-techs-bid-for-the-democratic-party/#fn16</a>
<a href="https://archive.vn/zgPJ8" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="c781478c-7ac2-4e4d-a72a-c60c64502d32">https://archive.vn/zgPJ8</a>
<a href="https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Abundance-Ecosystem-Report-Final.pdf" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="4efcf235-9b99-4c52-bea8-3882dba73e64">https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Abundance-Ecosystem-Report-Final.pdf</a>
<a href="https://www.semafor.com/article/08/17/2025/with-the-argument-the-left-gets-a-new-publication" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="ebf0beac-5275-4d99-9728-af3d9a5080be">https://www.semafor.com/article/08/17/2025/with-the-argument-the-left-gets-a-new-publication</a>
<a href="http://www.thinktankwatch.com/2022/01/washingtons-newest-think-tank-institute.html" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="02dce182-703c-432d-bfdc-37ca411c8214">http://www.thinktankwatch.com/2022/01/washingtons-newest-think-tank-institute.html</a>
<a href="https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="eb148a41-ad28-4c57-a4ac-a923d76fe25a">https://www.vcinfodocs.com/venture-capital-extremism</a>
<a href="https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/who-is-behind-the-growing-abundance-movement/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="d58380d7-65e1-42f3-9c09-f1d585ae5c2e">https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/who-is-behind-the-growing-abundance-movement/</a>
<a href="https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="f43a53cf-79e9-4aed-a9e2-a979b71e5e02">https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis</a>
<a href="https://www.abundancedc.org/speakers" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="017b746a-250e-493b-93a8-c592f772f56f">https://www.abundancedc.org/speakers</a>
<a href="https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="026246d1-6ca1-4fe0-8e9d-ba08758b9e58">https://www.vcinfodocs.com/the-tech-fascist-axis</a>
<a href="https://archive.vn/GKRmw#selection-377.0-377.19" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="67812499-6540-4347-96e1-1cb945f40730">https://archive.vn/GKRmw#selection-377.0-377.19</a>
<a href="https://www.theargumentmag.com/about" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="1fe50121-cd02-4cb5-8564-89d7e06229ab">https://www.theargumentmag.com/about</a>
<a href="https://prospect.org/economy/2024-11-26-abundance-agenda-neoliberalisms-rebrand/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="d81c977d-db8a-4fc9-94dc-22303e1fdc4c">https://prospect.org/economy/2024-11-26-abundance-agenda-neoliberalisms-rebrand/</a>
<a href="https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/dc-attorney-general-inks-first-settlement-realpage-price-fixing-lawsuit-2025-06-02/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="a6fff789-3224-4180-9904-29c5e9b57952">https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/dc-attorney-general-inks-first-settlement-realpage-price-fixing-lawsuit-2025-06-02/</a>
<a href="https://www.economicliberties.us/press-release/economic-liberties-launches-2025-end-rental-price-fixing-campaign/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="1306d546-b963-480d-8ac8-fa53217d2a11">https://www.economicliberties.us/press-release/economic-liberties-launches-2025-end-rental-price-fixing-campaign/</a>
<a href="https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/12/17/the-cost-of-anticompetitive-pricing-algorithms-in-rental-housing/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="a8af16c0-1ff2-418b-8b47-fde55a20b245">https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/cea/written-materials/2024/12/17/the-cost-of-anticompetitive-pricing-algorithms-in-rental-housing/</a>
<a href="https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="c964ee89-5ce0-432d-946c-44a5ed1b8c36">https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters</a>
<a href="https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="661c75ee-0183-45fa-bb29-03d888edd60d">https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-realpage-algorithmic-pricing-scheme-harms-millions-american-renters</a>
<a href="https://techfascism.substack.com/p/the-network-state-and-infrastructure" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="57a27208-1a1f-41f5-8a30-cac234c2a47e">https://techfascism.substack.com/p/the-network-state-and-infrastructure</a>

CZM Rewind: Abundance, Or How To Sell Tech Fascism To Liberals

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/fdf6d344-cfe2-4c8b-956e-b3b60169028a/transcript

Dana El Kurd speaks with Ben Lorber, Senior Research Analyst at Political Research Associates and co-author of Safety through Solidarity: A Radical Guide to Fighting Antisemitism. They discuss trends in antisemitism we are seeing today, why the far right is talking about Palestine, and how establishment organizations are not meeting the moment. 

Sources:

Jewish Currents article by Mari Cohen on the ADL - https://jewishcurrents.org/the-adls-antisemitism-findings-explained 

Jewish Currents article by Shane Burley and Naomi Bennett on the ADL - https://jewishcurrents.org/examining-the-adls-antisemitism-audit 

Safety through Solidarity book - https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/741043/safety-through-solidarity-by-shane-burley/ 

Article by Ben in Convergence Magazine on What Antisemitism Is and Isn’t – https://convergencemag.com/articles/what-antisemitism-is-part-1/ 

Nexus Project - https://nexusproject.us/ 

Diaspora Alliance - https://diasporaalliance.co/ 

Jewish Currents podcast on the confronting the anti-zionist right - https://jewishcurrents.org/confronting-the-anti-zionist-right 

Arielle Angel on the need for new Jewish institutions - https://jewishcurrents.org/we-need-new-jewish-institutions 

Dana El Kurd speaks with Ben Lorber, Senior Research Analyst at Political Research Associates and co-author of&nbsp;Safety through Solidarity: A Radical Guide to Fighting Antisemitism. They discuss trends in antisemitism we are seeing today, why the far right is talking about Palestine, and how establishment organizations are not meeting the moment.&nbsp;
Sources:
Jewish Currents article by Mari Cohen on the ADL - <a href="https://jewishcurrents.org/the-adls-antisemitism-findings-explained" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="7f1ad453-ed46-4866-bae0-ce16854dedb7">https://jewishcurrents.org/the-adls-antisemitism-findings-explained</a>&nbsp;
Jewish Currents article by Shane Burley and Naomi Bennett on the ADL - <a href="https://jewishcurrents.org/examining-the-adls-antisemitism-audit" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="956ee80c-83a0-4ba6-ba4e-6a8504758c1d">https://jewishcurrents.org/examining-the-adls-antisemitism-audit</a>&nbsp;
Safety through Solidarity book - <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/741043/safety-through-solidarity-by-shane-burley/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="b984e38a-ab37-4032-b294-84993885044d">https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/741043/safety-through-solidarity-by-shane-burley/</a>&nbsp;
Article by Ben in Convergence Magazine on What Antisemitism Is and Isn&rsquo;t &ndash; <a href="https://convergencemag.com/articles/what-antisemitism-is-part-1/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="70cc316a-3cbb-4837-8f4f-8ebb399d535e">https://convergencemag.com/articles/what-antisemitism-is-part-1/</a>&nbsp;
Nexus Project - <a href="https://nexusproject.us/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="18cb3c73-2079-469e-9299-c27b374f7cee">https://nexusproject.us/</a>&nbsp;
Diaspora Alliance - <a href="https://diasporaalliance.co/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="bb1f15dc-3827-4c7c-82b2-66809d5e3b86">https://diasporaalliance.co/</a>&nbsp;
Jewish Currents podcast on the confronting the anti-zionist right - <a href="https://jewishcurrents.org/confronting-the-anti-zionist-right" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="f119e4ca-a373-40ec-8633-c718a573baa7">https://jewishcurrents.org/confronting-the-anti-zionist-right</a>&nbsp;
Arielle Angel on the need for new Jewish institutions - <a href="https://jewishcurrents.org/we-need-new-jewish-institutions" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="e53b7394-638e-417f-90c4-199e3ea6b816">https://jewishcurrents.org/we-need-new-jewish-institutions</a>&nbsp;

Antisemitism in America feat. Dana El Kurd

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/07eca202-477f-4051-b5c3-b3b5017b9fda/transcript

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