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It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

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The Good Side of the Second American Civil War

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Andrew and James talk about the revolution and civil war in Libya, and discuss the campist approach to world affairs.

Sources:

Iran retaliation: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrqqd8lw2wo

Timeline of Libyan History: https://www.britannica.com/place/Libya/History

Timeline of Libyan revolt: https://www.britannica.com/event/Libya-Revolt-of-2011

Behind the NTC: http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/1062/2/who-drove-the-libyan-uprising

Consequences and Motivations of Libya intervention: https://jacobin.com/2015/02/libya-intervention-nato-imperialism

https://web.archive.org/web/20220517202837/https://merip.org/2011/11/was-the-libya-intervention-necessary/

https://jacobin.com/2021/03/nato-libya-war-uk-us-france-regime-change

https://jacobin.com/2011/09/libya-and-the-left

Rebel abuses: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14891913

Targeting of Black Libyans and Migrants: https://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141549384/blacks-and-migrants-targets-of-attack-in-libya

Displacement numbers in 2012: https://www.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/legacy-pdf/4ec23100b.pdf

Consequences of first civil war: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/24/libya-capital-under-islamist-control-tripoli-airport-seized-operation-dawn

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/2/16/libya-anniversary-the-situation-is-just-terrible

An attempt at unification: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/libyan-politicians-sign-un-peace-deal-unify-rival-governments

El Sharara oilfield situation: https://middle-east-online.com/node/708060

The status quo as of 2020: https://www.politico.eu/article/the-libyan-conflict-explained/

Another attempt at unification: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/libya-interim-government-sworn-in-replacing-rival-administration

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/21/libya-parliament-withdraws-confidence-from-unity-government

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/un-voices-concern-over-vote-on-new-libyan-prime-minister

Morality police: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/fears-religious-freedom-libya-proposes-new-morality-police

Slave auction: https://africasacountry.com/2017/11/the-slave-auction-in-libya

Libya’s arms in regional instability: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-arms-un-idUSBRE93814Y20130409/

Natural disaster: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/09/year-rebuilding-libyas-flood-hit-derna-plagued-politics

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/libya-floods-derna-turkish-firm-said-repaired-dam-did-it

Andrew and James talk about the revolution and civil war in Libya, and discuss the campist approach to world affairs.
Sources:
Iran retaliation: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrqqd8lw2wo" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="53e7a292-c1da-4706-ac60-4c810568701e">https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjrqqd8lw2wo</a>
Timeline of Libyan History: <a href="https://www.britannica.com/place/Libya/History" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="8fcd0423-028e-43ed-aacb-889f57fde63d">https://www.britannica.com/place/Libya/History</a>
Timeline of Libyan revolt: <a href="https://www.britannica.com/event/Libya-Revolt-of-2011" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="7eb9b70e-e1e4-4c90-8db5-4264fe53f916">https://www.britannica.com/event/Libya-Revolt-of-2011</a>
Behind the NTC: <a href="http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/1062/2/who-drove-the-libyan-uprising" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="097ca0e5-4925-49e8-b345-df993d8312d4">http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/1062/2/who-drove-the-libyan-uprising</a>
Consequences and Motivations of Libya intervention: <a href="https://jacobin.com/2015/02/libya-intervention-nato-imperialism" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="1a1eb054-b0d6-43a8-b260-176aacba26ce">https://jacobin.com/2015/02/libya-intervention-nato-imperialism</a>
<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220517202837/https://merip.org/2011/11/was-the-libya-intervention-necessary/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="ef7d9f77-7821-4a11-b118-9a6f43e2a41d">https://web.archive.org/web/20220517202837/https://merip.org/2011/11/was-the-libya-intervention-necessary/</a>
<a href="https://jacobin.com/2021/03/nato-libya-war-uk-us-france-regime-change" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="48f9c02e-5e9a-458c-b0c3-8cb9fed17e17">https://jacobin.com/2021/03/nato-libya-war-uk-us-france-regime-change</a>
<a href="https://jacobin.com/2011/09/libya-and-the-left" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="2f93b1e4-2507-4603-b467-770bdaec64e4">https://jacobin.com/2011/09/libya-and-the-left</a>
Rebel abuses: <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14891913" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="6f5682b9-23b9-4b4c-a6e8-0feee73e1dc0">https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14891913</a>
Targeting of Black Libyans and Migrants: <a href="https://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141549384/blacks-and-migrants-targets-of-attack-in-libya" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="ae1f8319-ce81-487d-8ba1-96fce7fd2404">https://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141549384/blacks-and-migrants-targets-of-attack-in-libya</a>
Displacement numbers in 2012: <a href="https://www.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/legacy-pdf/4ec23100b.pdf" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="212a0ccb-a564-4dcd-9312-66dd3454f107">https://www.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/legacy-pdf/4ec23100b.pdf</a>
Consequences of first civil war: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/24/libya-capital-under-islamist-control-tripoli-airport-seized-operation-dawn" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="a7741e5c-5b3d-4fcf-a2e6-4d21345709eb">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/24/libya-capital-under-islamist-control-tripoli-airport-seized-operation-dawn</a>
<a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/2/16/libya-anniversary-the-situation-is-just-terrible" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="3a532966-d3eb-4b63-8356-14f83a106e47">https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/2/16/libya-anniversary-the-situation-is-just-terrible</a>
An attempt at unification: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/libyan-politicians-sign-un-peace-deal-unify-rival-governments" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="e76d2a83-0523-43a9-b631-c7145974cdd5">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/libyan-politicians-sign-un-peace-deal-unify-rival-governments</a>
El Sharara oilfield situation: <a href="https://middle-east-online.com/node/708060" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="3830d9d6-4436-424c-baa7-461ecf362359">https://middle-east-online.com/node/708060</a>
The status quo as of 2020: <a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/the-libyan-conflict-explained/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="f76d12c2-d149-484d-8cd4-8316e3bfc2e0">https://www.politico.eu/article/the-libyan-conflict-explained/</a>
Another attempt at unification: <a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/libya-interim-government-sworn-in-replacing-rival-administration" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="77233067-ba15-4af4-8c9d-cd859d355f50">https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/libya-interim-government-sworn-in-replacing-rival-administration</a>
<a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/21/libya-parliament-withdraws-confidence-from-unity-government" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="a523b537-a1d7-4ee9-82a3-dc5652648017">https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/21/libya-parliament-withdraws-confidence-from-unity-government</a>
<a href="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/un-voices-concern-over-vote-on-new-libyan-prime-minister" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="b275eece-efd0-4806-9920-cd951a9b19c2">https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/un-voices-concern-over-vote-on-new-libyan-prime-minister</a>
Morality police: <a href="https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/fears-religious-freedom-libya-proposes-new-morality-police" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="6cc67ee9-c207-44ab-9f15-b71ff381f1b9">https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/fears-religious-freedom-libya-proposes-new-morality-police</a>
Slave auction: <a href="https://africasacountry.com/2017/11/the-slave-auction-in-libya" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="f709e5b3-1893-4231-85f0-3e266b063a76">https://africasacountry.com/2017/11/the-slave-auction-in-libya</a>
Libya&rsquo;s arms in regional instability: <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-arms-un-idUSBRE93814Y20130409/" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="2522f74c-de97-4d90-a66a-2089cd1d1565">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-arms-un-idUSBRE93814Y20130409/</a>
Natural disaster: <a href="https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/09/year-rebuilding-libyas-flood-hit-derna-plagued-politics" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="306ae408-cc61-4618-9fdf-c58b7d52185d">https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/09/year-rebuilding-libyas-flood-hit-derna-plagued-politics</a>
<a href="https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/libya-floods-derna-turkish-firm-said-repaired-dam-did-it" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="6c80a17f-3c9a-4f27-8307-f6c9a234cf10">https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/libya-floods-derna-turkish-firm-said-repaired-dam-did-it</a>

Libya with Andrew

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After a shooting at the White House Correspondents Dinner, Robert takes a look at the current political environment to explain why previously normal people keep taking extreme action with ever-growing frequency.

After a shooting at the White House Correspondents Dinner, Robert takes a look at the current political environment to explain why previously normal people keep taking extreme action with ever-growing frequency.

The Age of Extremophiles

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Margaret reads you a 1963 science fiction story of class stratification, sports, and first contact.

Margaret reads you a 1963 science fiction story of class stratification, sports, and first contact.

CZM Book Club: Where the Phph Pebbles Go, by Miriam Allen DeFord

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The Good Side of the Second American Civil War

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