Garrison talks with Cooper Quentin from the Electronic Frontier Foundation about Paragon’s spyware Graphite, how it reads text messages, who is most at risk, and misinformation exaggerating the spyware's known capabilities.

Sources:

https://ssd.eff.org/ 

https://citizenlab.ca/2025/03/a-first-look-at-paragons-proliferating-spyware-operations/ 

https://citizenlab.ca/2025/06/first-forensic-confirmation-of-paragons-ios-mercenary-spyware-finds-journalists-targeted/ 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/02/trump-immigration-ice-israeli-spyware


https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/exclusive-ice-has-reactivated-its 

https://www.wired.com/story/ice-paragon-solutions-contract/


https://dfrlab.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/09/Mythical-Beasts.pdf


https://finder.startupnationcentral.org/company_page/paragon


https://red-dot.capital/portfolio


https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/07/29/paragon-is-an-nso-competitor-and-an-american-funded-israeli-surveillance-startup-that-hacks-encrypted-apps-like-whatsapp-and-signal/

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-14093-prohibition-use-the-united-states-government-commercial-spyware-that

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/09/eff-statement-ice-use-paragon-solutions-malware

Garrison talks with Cooper Quentin from the Electronic Frontier Foundation about Paragon&rsquo;s spyware Graphite, how it reads text messages, who is most at risk, and misinformation exaggerating the spyware's known capabilities.
Sources:
<a href="https://ssd.eff.org/">https://ssd.eff.org/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2025/03/a-first-look-at-paragons-proliferating-spyware-operations/">https://citizenlab.ca/2025/03/a-first-look-at-paragons-proliferating-spyware-operations/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://citizenlab.ca/2025/06/first-forensic-confirmation-of-paragons-ios-mercenary-spyware-finds-journalists-targeted/">https://citizenlab.ca/2025/06/first-forensic-confirmation-of-paragons-ios-mercenary-spyware-finds-journalists-targeted/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/02/trump-immigration-ice-israeli-spyware">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/02/trump-immigration-ice-israeli-spyware </a>
<a href="https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/exclusive-ice-has-reactivated-its">https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/exclusive-ice-has-reactivated-its</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.wired.com/story/ice-paragon-solutions-contract/">https://www.wired.com/story/ice-paragon-solutions-contract/ </a>
<a href="https://dfrlab.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/09/Mythical-Beasts.pdf">https://dfrlab.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2024/09/Mythical-Beasts.pdf </a>
<a href="https://finder.startupnationcentral.org/company_page/paragon">https://finder.startupnationcentral.org/company_page/paragon </a>
<a href="https://red-dot.capital/portfolio">https://red-dot.capital/portfolio </a>
<a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/07/29/paragon-is-an-nso-competitor-and-an-american-funded-israeli-surveillance-startup-that-hacks-encrypted-apps-like-whatsapp-and-signal/">https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2021/07/29/paragon-is-an-nso-competitor-and-an-american-funded-israeli-surveillance-startup-that-hacks-encrypted-apps-like-whatsapp-and-signal/</a>
<a href="https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-14093-prohibition-use-the-united-states-government-commercial-spyware-that">https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-14093-prohibition-use-the-united-states-government-commercial-spyware-that</a>
<a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/09/eff-statement-ice-use-paragon-solutions-malware">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/09/eff-statement-ice-use-paragon-solutions-malware</a>

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here

ICE Partners with Israeli Phone Hacking Spyware

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/1882a1fe-7f9c-4979-9611-b35400040985/transcript

The gang discuss presidential approval polls and the growing nationwide sentiment against ICE, what the partial government shutdown means for DHS, and a public domestic violence shooting being weaponized for the culture war.

Sources:

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-shares-fall-after-fda-refuses-review-new-flu-vaccine-2026-02-11/


https://x.com/atrupar/status/2021953022213902763?s=20

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/16/mamdani-taps-ex-biden-official-to-audit-nypd-other-agencies-for-sanctuary-law-lapses-00781624

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7DPSP65JA


https://www.instagram.com/p/DU1zLiWjDVx/

https://www.wpri.com/target-12/pawtucket-shooters-gender-identity-tied-to-past-family-disputes-court-records-show/

https://x.com/WCVB/status/2023544634216005773?s=20

https://www.wpri.com/target-12/pawtucket-rink-shooters-son-set-fire-to-black-church-in-north-providence-in-2024/

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/hutchins-texas-ice-facility-warehouse/287-11ce4a39-65f4-41c5-bb8c-cf5afca83168 

https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/leaders-jeffries-and-schumer-deliver-urgent-ice-reform-demands-republican 

https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/leaders-jeffries-and-schumer-statement-republican-counter-commonsense 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/noems-use-coast-guard-resources-strains-relationship-military-branch-s-rcna258904 

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/chaos-kristi-noem-homeland-security-f095ac95

https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/dhs-repatriations 

https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/ice-detentions 

https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/monthly-tables 

https://www.heinrich.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/heinrich_introduces_legislation_to_redirect_excessive_ice_funding_to_new_mexico_law_enforcement.pdf 

https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2024-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf 

The gang discuss presidential approval polls and the growing nationwide sentiment against ICE, what the partial government shutdown means for DHS, and a public domestic violence shooting being weaponized for the culture war.
Sources:
<a href="https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-shares-fall-after-fda-refuses-review-new-flu-vaccine-2026-02-11/">https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-shares-fall-after-fda-refuses-review-new-flu-vaccine-2026-02-11/ </a>
<a href="https://x.com/atrupar/status/2021953022213902763?s=20">https://x.com/atrupar/status/2021953022213902763?s=20</a>
<a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/16/mamdani-taps-ex-biden-official-to-audit-nypd-other-agencies-for-sanctuary-law-lapses-00781624">https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/16/mamdani-taps-ex-biden-official-to-audit-nypd-other-agencies-for-sanctuary-law-lapses-00781624</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7DPSP65JA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh7DPSP65JA </a>
<a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DU1zLiWjDVx/">https://www.instagram.com/p/DU1zLiWjDVx/</a>
<a href="https://www.wpri.com/target-12/pawtucket-shooters-gender-identity-tied-to-past-family-disputes-court-records-show/">https://www.wpri.com/target-12/pawtucket-shooters-gender-identity-tied-to-past-family-disputes-court-records-show/</a>
<a href="https://x.com/WCVB/status/2023544634216005773?s=20">https://x.com/WCVB/status/2023544634216005773?s=20</a>
<a href="https://www.wpri.com/target-12/pawtucket-rink-shooters-son-set-fire-to-black-church-in-north-providence-in-2024/">https://www.wpri.com/target-12/pawtucket-rink-shooters-son-set-fire-to-black-church-in-north-providence-in-2024/</a>
<a href="https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/hutchins-texas-ice-facility-warehouse/287-11ce4a39-65f4-41c5-bb8c-cf5afca83168">https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/hutchins-texas-ice-facility-warehouse/287-11ce4a39-65f4-41c5-bb8c-cf5afca83168</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/leaders-jeffries-and-schumer-deliver-urgent-ice-reform-demands-republican">https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/leaders-jeffries-and-schumer-deliver-urgent-ice-reform-demands-republican</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/leaders-jeffries-and-schumer-statement-republican-counter-commonsense">https://democraticleader.house.gov/media/press-releases/leaders-jeffries-and-schumer-statement-republican-counter-commonsense</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/noems-use-coast-guard-resources-strains-relationship-military-branch-s-rcna258904">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/noems-use-coast-guard-resources-strains-relationship-military-branch-s-rcna258904</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/chaos-kristi-noem-homeland-security-f095ac95">https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/chaos-kristi-noem-homeland-security-f095ac95</a>
<a href="https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/dhs-repatriations">https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/dhs-repatriations</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/ice-detentions">https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/ice-detentions</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/monthly-tables">https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration/immigration-enforcement/monthly-tables</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.heinrich.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/heinrich_introduces_legislation_to_redirect_excessive_ice_funding_to_new_mexico_law_enforcement.pdf">https://www.heinrich.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/heinrich_introduces_legislation_to_redirect_excessive_ice_funding_to_new_mexico_law_enforcement.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2024-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf">https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2024-Democratic-Party-Platform.pdf</a>&nbsp;

Executive Disorder: Do Americans Hate ICE & Trump Now? DHS Shutdown, Shooting in Rhode Island

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/e12749ed-9ad2-46fb-9e5d-b3f60141bd3c/transcript

Mia discusses the history of general strikes starting with another strike over armed occupiers killing unarmed protesters: the Shanghai general strike of 1925.

Sources:

Shanghai on Strike: The Politics of Chinese Labor: https://libcom.org/article/shanghai-strike-politics-chinese-labor

From War to Nationalism - China’s Turning Point, 1924-1925

Mia discusses the history of general strikes starting with another strike over armed occupiers killing unarmed protesters: the Shanghai general strike of 1925.
Sources:
Shanghai on Strike: The Politics of Chinese Labor:&nbsp;<a href="https://libcom.org/article/shanghai-strike-politics-chinese-labor" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="5bfd45cc-4fe6-4358-a9a0-797157e80a3e">https://libcom.org/article/shanghai-strike-politics-chinese-labor</a> From War to Nationalism - China&rsquo;s Turning Point, 1924-1925

The History of the General Strike: Shanghai 1925, A Chinese Minneapolis

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/45803b73-3d19-4f75-9340-b3f600238913/transcript

James is joined by Mick and Georgio to discuss the Sarajevo Safari documentary and establish context for the investigations of people who travelled to Sarajevo to kill people during the siege of the city.

Sources:
https://www.icty.org/x/cases/dragomir_milosevic/trans/en/070222ED.htm?utm_source=copilot.com

https://sarajevotimes.com/prosecution-in-milan-opens-case-against-giuseppe-vegnaduzzo-first-suspect-in-sarajevo-safari-investigation/

James is joined by Mick and Georgio to discuss the Sarajevo Safari documentary and establish context for the investigations of people who travelled to Sarajevo to kill people during the siege of the city.
Sources: <a href="https://www.icty.org/x/cases/dragomir_milosevic/trans/en/070222ED.htm?utm_source=copilot.com">https://www.icty.org/x/cases/dragomir_milosevic/trans/en/070222ED.htm?utm_source=copilot.com</a>
<a href="https://sarajevotimes.com/prosecution-in-milan-opens-case-against-giuseppe-vegnaduzzo-first-suspect-in-sarajevo-safari-investigation/">https://sarajevotimes.com/prosecution-in-milan-opens-case-against-giuseppe-vegnaduzzo-first-suspect-in-sarajevo-safari-investigation/</a>

War Tourism in the Siege of Sarajevo

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/e0437775-44ea-4ff6-9d7e-b3f500361f3d/transcript

ICE Partners with Israeli Phone Hacking Spyware

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