In the first of a four part series, James catches up with Primrose and her daughter Kim, who he met in the Darien Gap. We hear about the journey from Panama to the USA’s southern border, and the challenges migrants face along the way.

Primrose’s Legal Aid Fundraiser: https://www.gofundme.com/f/immigration-lawyer-for-primrose

Sources:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/world/americas/trump-us-mexico-border.html

https://www.fresnobee.com/news/article299272524.html

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/woody-guthrie-deportee-song-immigrants-rare-recording-1235383582/

https://southkernsol.org/2024/09/30/marker-unveiled-at-1948-plane-crash-site-that-killed-28-mexican-passengers/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-orders/ 

http://www.toddmillerwriter.com/border-patrol-nation/ 

https://timzhernandez.com/all-they-will-call-you/ 

In the first of a four part series, James catches up with Primrose and her daughter Kim, who he met in the Darien Gap. We hear about the journey from Panama to the USA&rsquo;s southern border, and the challenges migrants face along the way.
Primrose&rsquo;s Legal Aid Fundraiser: <a href="https://www.gofundme.com/f/immigration-lawyer-for-primrose">https://www.gofundme.com/f/immigration-lawyer-for-primrose</a>
Sources:
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/world/americas/trump-us-mexico-border.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/world/americas/trump-us-mexico-border.html</a>
<a href="https://www.fresnobee.com/news/article299272524.html">https://www.fresnobee.com/news/article299272524.html</a>
<a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/woody-guthrie-deportee-song-immigrants-rare-recording-1235383582/">https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/woody-guthrie-deportee-song-immigrants-rare-recording-1235383582/</a>
<a href="https://southkernsol.org/2024/09/30/marker-unveiled-at-1948-plane-crash-site-that-killed-28-mexican-passengers/">https://southkernsol.org/2024/09/30/marker-unveiled-at-1948-plane-crash-site-that-killed-28-mexican-passengers/</a>
<a href="https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-orders/">https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-orders/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="http://www.toddmillerwriter.com/border-patrol-nation/">http://www.toddmillerwriter.com/border-patrol-nation/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://timzhernandez.com/all-they-will-call-you/">https://timzhernandez.com/all-they-will-call-you/</a>&nbsp;

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here started as an exploration of the possibility of a new civil war. Now a daily show, it's evolved into a chronicle of collapse as it happens, and an exploration of how we might build a better future. Every day Robert Evans, Garrison Davis, Mia Wong, and James Stout take you on a jaunty walk through the burning ruins of the old world and towards a better one that lays just on the horizon.

It Could Happen Here

Migrants face life-threatening jungles, rivers, mountains, and deserts on their way to the USA. Reporter James Stout travelled from the Rio Grande Valley of Texas to the mountains of Southern California and the jungles of the Darién Gap to hear from them about the journey, their American dreams, and the people who helped them during their travels. Along the way, he interviews migrants, experts, and is joined by conflict reporter Robert Evans to discuss anti-migrant conspiracy theories. 

Migrants face life-threatening jungles, rivers, mountains, and deserts on their way to the USA. Reporter James Stout travelled from the Rio Grande Valley of Texas to the mountains of Southern California and the jungles of the Dari&eacute;n Gap to hear from them about the journey, their American dreams, and the people who helped them during their travels. Along the way, he interviews migrants, experts, and is joined by conflict reporter Robert Evans to discuss anti-migrant conspiracy theories.&nbsp;

Migrating to America: A Dream Worth Dying For 

Darién Gap: One Year Later | Part One: After The Jungle 

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/f1485897-b600-416b-a4c6-b3a5017c2454/transcript

The gang discuss the FBI raid of the Fulton County Election office, ICE protests in Portland, DHS bodycams, and an unsealed memo on the arrest of Rümeysa Öztürk. Plus, updates on Minneapolis and Syria.

Sources:

https://oversight.house.gov/release/chairman-comer-announces-the-clintons-caved-will-appear-for-depositions/

https://sortor.us/release/lemon.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_DDIQ8jz.pdf

https://www.wtnh.com/news/politics/ap-judge-rules-us-justice-department-filed-a-lawsuit-over-georgia-voter-data-in-the-wrong-city/#:~:text=Judge%20rules%20US%20Justice%20Department%20filed%20a,government%20had%20sued%20in%20the%20wrong%20city.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/e815ed47-fce4-4797-8dc7-bcbc9efa968d.pdf

https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/2018504435769520156?s=20

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/georgia-fulton-county-fbi-election-raid

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.282460/gov.uscourts.mad.282460.315.0_1.pdf 

https://www.state.gov/secretary-of-state-marco-rubio-and-guyanese-president-irfaan-ali-at-a-joint-press-availability 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/09/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-student-resume-teaching-visa 

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/23/politics/court-documents-student-israel-op-ed

https://www.patreon.com/posts/whats-next-for-146454395?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.283214/gov.uscourts.dcd.283214.124.0_1.pdf 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200.52.0.pdf 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FnY2z7eb5efGlHrb2AYBtfqMVDJSUfIu/view 

https://www.startribune.com/another-wave-of-departures-in-minnesotas-us-attorneys-office/601575569 

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-03/24_0307_priv_pia-ice-066a-pia-update.pdf 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/bovino-frustrated-directive-conduct-targeted-operations-chicago-rcna257069 

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/31/2022-11810/advancing-effective-accountable-policing-and-criminal-justice-practices-to-enhance-public-trust-and 

https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/25/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-historic-executive-order-to-advance-effective-accountable-policing-and-strengthen-public-safety/ 

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/31/2022-11810/advancing-effective-accountable-policing-and-criminal-justice-practices-to-enhance-public-trust-and

https://www.propublica.org/article/alex-pretti-shooting-cbp-agents-identified-jesus-ochoa-raymundo-gutierrez 

https://sdf-press.com/archives/47816 

https://x.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/2017320999629254878?s=20 

https://x.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/2019098549640917124?s=20 

https://t.co/aMIp9uMx04 

https://wladimirvanwilgenburg.substack.com/p/kurdish-regions-will-be-organized 

The gang discuss the FBI raid of the Fulton County Election office, ICE protests in Portland, DHS bodycams, and an unsealed memo on the arrest of R&uuml;meysa &Ouml;zt&uuml;rk. Plus, updates on Minneapolis and Syria.
Sources:
<a href="https://oversight.house.gov/release/chairman-comer-announces-the-clintons-caved-will-appear-for-depositions/">https://oversight.house.gov/release/chairman-comer-announces-the-clintons-caved-will-appear-for-depositions/</a>
<a href="https://sortor.us/release/lemon.pdf">https://sortor.us/release/lemon.pdf</a>
<a href="https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_DDIQ8jz.pdf">https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_DDIQ8jz.pdf</a>
<a href="https://www.wtnh.com/news/politics/ap-judge-rules-us-justice-department-filed-a-lawsuit-over-georgia-voter-data-in-the-wrong-city/#:~:text=Judge%20rules%20US%20Justice%20Department%20filed%20a,government%20had%20sued%20in%20the%20wrong%20city">https://www.wtnh.com/news/politics/ap-judge-rules-us-justice-department-filed-a-lawsuit-over-georgia-voter-data-in-the-wrong-city/#:~:text=Judge%20rules%20US%20Justice%20Department%20filed%20a,government%20had%20sued%20in%20the%20wrong%20city</a>.
<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/e815ed47-fce4-4797-8dc7-bcbc9efa968d.pdf">https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/e815ed47-fce4-4797-8dc7-bcbc9efa968d.pdf</a>
<a href="https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/2018504435769520156?s=20">https://x.com/DNIGabbard/status/2018504435769520156?s=20</a>
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/georgia-fulton-county-fbi-election-raid">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/02/georgia-fulton-county-fbi-election-raid</a>
<a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.282460/gov.uscourts.mad.282460.315.0_1.pdf">https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.282460/gov.uscourts.mad.282460.315.0_1.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.state.gov/secretary-of-state-marco-rubio-and-guyanese-president-irfaan-ali-at-a-joint-press-availability">https://www.state.gov/secretary-of-state-marco-rubio-and-guyanese-president-irfaan-ali-at-a-joint-press-availability</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/09/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-student-resume-teaching-visa">https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/09/rumeysa-ozturk-tufts-student-resume-teaching-visa</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/23/politics/court-documents-student-israel-op-ed">https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/23/politics/court-documents-student-israel-op-ed</a>
<a href="https://www.patreon.com/posts/whats-next-for-146454395?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&amp;utm_source=copyLink&amp;utm_campaign=postshare_creator&amp;utm_content=join_link">https://www.patreon.com/posts/whats-next-for-146454395?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&amp;utm_source=copyLink&amp;utm_campaign=postshare_creator&amp;utm_content=join_link</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.283214/gov.uscourts.dcd.283214.124.0_1.pdf">https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.283214/gov.uscourts.dcd.283214.124.0_1.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200.52.0.pdf">https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200/gov.uscourts.dcd.283200.52.0.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FnY2z7eb5efGlHrb2AYBtfqMVDJSUfIu/view">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FnY2z7eb5efGlHrb2AYBtfqMVDJSUfIu/view</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.startribune.com/another-wave-of-departures-in-minnesotas-us-attorneys-office/601575569">https://www.startribune.com/another-wave-of-departures-in-minnesotas-us-attorneys-office/601575569</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-03/24_0307_priv_pia-ice-066a-pia-update.pdf">https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2024-03/24_0307_priv_pia-ice-066a-pia-update.pdf</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/bovino-frustrated-directive-conduct-targeted-operations-chicago-rcna257069">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/bovino-frustrated-directive-conduct-targeted-operations-chicago-rcna257069</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/31/2022-11810/advancing-effective-accountable-policing-and-criminal-justice-practices-to-enhance-public-trust-and">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/31/2022-11810/advancing-effective-accountable-policing-and-criminal-justice-practices-to-enhance-public-trust-and</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/25/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-historic-executive-order-to-advance-effective-accountable-policing-and-strengthen-public-safety/">https://bidenwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/25/fact-sheet-president-biden-to-sign-historic-executive-order-to-advance-effective-accountable-policing-and-strengthen-public-safety/</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/31/2022-11810/advancing-effective-accountable-policing-and-criminal-justice-practices-to-enhance-public-trust-and">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/05/31/2022-11810/advancing-effective-accountable-policing-and-criminal-justice-practices-to-enhance-public-trust-and</a>
<a href="https://www.propublica.org/article/alex-pretti-shooting-cbp-agents-identified-jesus-ochoa-raymundo-gutierrez">https://www.propublica.org/article/alex-pretti-shooting-cbp-agents-identified-jesus-ochoa-raymundo-gutierrez</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://sdf-press.com/archives/47816">https://sdf-press.com/archives/47816</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://x.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/2017320999629254878?s=20">https://x.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/2017320999629254878?s=20</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://x.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/2019098549640917124?s=20">https://x.com/vvanwilgenburg/status/2019098549640917124?s=20</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://t.co/aMIp9uMx04">https://t.co/aMIp9uMx04</a>&nbsp;
<a href="https://wladimirvanwilgenburg.substack.com/p/kurdish-regions-will-be-organized">https://wladimirvanwilgenburg.substack.com/p/kurdish-regions-will-be-organized</a>&nbsp;

Executive Disorder: ICE Body Cams, Fulton Election Raid, Portland Protest

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/88850463-4c92-4585-9209-b3e8012cfe1e/transcript

Robert's keynote speech for the Japanese American National Museum on combatting authoritarianism in the modern world.

Robert's keynote speech for the Japanese American National Museum on combatting authoritarianism in the modern world.

What Must Be Done? The Battle Against Fascism

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/53e288bb-2d26-4951-8e52-b3e8001be24d/transcript

Andrew and James continue their discussion of what happened in Panama in 1989 and why people are comparing these events to what is happening in Venezuela.

Sources:

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/omar-torrijos-ousts-arias-panama

Emperors In the Jungle: The Hidden History of the U.S. in Panama by John Lindsay-Poland

Andrew and James continue their discussion of what happened in Panama in 1989 and why people are comparing these events to what is happening in Venezuela.
Sources:
<a href="https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/omar-torrijos-ousts-arias-panama" data-ogsc="" data-outlook-id="a18fd7c5-2736-4c17-9ae0-03a64c1b037d">https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/history/omar-torrijos-ousts-arias-panama</a>
Emperors In the Jungle: The Hidden History of the U.S. in Panama by John Lindsay-Poland

Panama 1989 to Venezuela 2026: What History Can Teach Us Pt. 2

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/62ac9148-6d6c-42c7-8a95-b3e6015310d5/transcript

Darién Gap: One Year Later | Part One: After The Jungle

Migrating to America: A Dream Worth Dying For

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