A struggling Chicago hospital did just about anything to stay afloat including performing hundreds of unnecessary tests and procedures on patients. In the end, multiple patients were dead and its former owner fled the country. Left behind was an abandoned hospital that became a magnet for crime and a symbol of egregious insurance fraud.  

If the Walls Could Talk recounts the true crimes and tangled history of Chicago's Edgewater Hospital as told by former staff, patients, lawyers, and investigators. 

The hospital opened in 1929 and is the birthplace of Hillary Clinton and John Wayne Gacy. It was Chicago's premiere medical facility for 60 years until a new owner took over. Hear the shocking story of how the hospital's former owner managed to evade the law and why many believe he got away with it.

Written, produced and narrated by Chicago radio veterans Todd Ganz and Stephani Young. Visit https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com for more haunting pictures and details.

Follow the show on Instagram at @ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast and on our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls

If the Walls Could Talk is a registered trademark of Buckletown Productions LLC.

A struggling Chicago hospital did just about anything to stay afloat including performing hundreds of unnecessary tests and procedures on patients. In the end, multiple patients were dead and its former owner fled the country. Left behind was an abandoned hospital that became a magnet for crime and a symbol of egregious insurance fraud.&nbsp;&nbsp;
If the Walls Could Talk recounts the true crimes and tangled history of Chicago's Edgewater Hospital as told by former staff, patients, lawyers, and investigators.&nbsp;
The hospital opened in 1929 and is the birthplace of Hillary Clinton and John Wayne Gacy. It was Chicago's premiere medical facility for 60 years until a new owner took over. Hear the shocking story of how the hospital's former owner managed to evade the law and why many believe he got away with it.
Written, produced and narrated by Chicago radio veterans Todd Ganz and Stephani Young. Visit&nbsp;<a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/">https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com</a> for more haunting pictures and details.
Follow the show on Instagram at&nbsp;<a href="http://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">@ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast</a> and on our Facebook group <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls</a>
If the Walls Could Talk is a registered trademark of Buckletown Productions LLC.

Introducing: If the Walls Could Talk

Edgewater Hospital Closes

Dr. Rogelio Maynulet

Celebrity Patients

Private Suites

Dr. Mazel's Temper

Roger Ehmen

John Wayne Gacy Born at Edgewater

Dr. Mazel's Death

Dr. Mazel's Flaw

Hospital Needs a Buyer

Edgewater Hospital is the birthplace of Hillary Clinton, John Wayne Gacy and tens of thousands of Chicagoans. It was Chicago's premier hospital for 50 years -- but that changed following the sale to a man named Peter Rogan. The fraud that followed quickly overshadowed the hospital's once-sterling reputation. In this true crime series, former Edgewater Hospital staff, patients and investigators recount what happened and why many believe Peter Rogan got away with it. 

See photos of Dr. Mazel, Harriet Mazel and Edgewater Hospital's early years on our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com

Hear hours of bonus stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content with hosts Todd Ganz and Stephani Young on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast

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Learn more about John Borowski’s book (John Wayne Gacy: Hunting a Predator) and film on his website.

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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz

 

Edgewater Hospital is the birthplace of Hillary Clinton, John Wayne Gacy and tens of thousands of Chicagoans. It was Chicago's premier hospital for 50 years -- but that changed following the sale to a man named Peter Rogan. The fraud that followed quickly overshadowed the hospital's once-sterling reputation. In this true crime series, former Edgewater Hospital staff, patients and investigators recount what happened and why many believe Peter Rogan got away with it.&nbsp;
See photos of Dr. Mazel, Harriet Mazel and Edgewater Hospital's early years on our website:&nbsp;<a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/the-tight-ship/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>
Hear hours of bonus stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content with hosts Todd Ganz and Stephani Young on Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">https://www.patreon.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast</a>
Website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/">https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/</a>
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Email us: IftheWallsPod@Gmail.com
Learn more about John Borowski&rsquo;s book (John Wayne Gacy: Hunting a Predator) and film on his <a href="https://johnborowski.com/">website</a>.
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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz
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Ep. 1: The Marvelous Dr. Mazel

Hospital Changes

Peter Rogan

Edgewater Hospital in the '90s

Edgewater's Turnaround

Peter Rogan Sells

Senior Citizens Show Up at Hospital

Seniors Who Weren't Sick

The Mysterious Second Floor

Dr. Gee

FBI Investigates

Patients who were not sick were being admitted to Edgewater Hospital and placed on a second floor unit. This mysterious section of the hospital was off-limits to most staff...leaving them wondering what was happening. Before long, the FBI opened an investigation.

See pictures of Edgewater's infamous patient: John Wayne Gacy and more on the episode page of our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com

Backdraft was one of the handful of movies filmed at Edgewater Hospital. Hear an in-depth interview about the making of the movie on Episode 302 of the Chicago History Podcast. 

Hear hours of bonus stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on Patreon. 

Find additional photos on Instagram and our Facebook Group.

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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz

 

Patients who were not sick were being admitted to Edgewater Hospital and placed on a second floor unit. This mysterious section of the hospital was off-limits to most staff...leaving them wondering what was happening. Before long, the FBI opened an investigation.
See pictures of Edgewater's infamous patient: John Wayne Gacy and more on the episode page of our website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/strange-management/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>
Backdraft was one of the handful of movies filmed at Edgewater Hospital. Hear an in-depth interview about the making of the movie on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-302-chicago-history-podcast-at-the-movies/id1510066357?i=1000522729148">Episode 302</a> of the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/chicago-history-podcast/id1510066357">Chicago History Podcast</a>.&nbsp;
Hear hours of bonus stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/join/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>.&nbsp;
Find additional photos on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast/">Instagram</a> and our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">Facebook Group</a>.
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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz
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Ep. 2: The Second Floor

Patient Horror Stories

FBI Opens Investigation

Dr. McClellan

Dr. Rao

900+ Tapes

Roger Ehmen's Role

Scheme Unravels

Dr. Cubria

Multiple Edgewater Hospital doctors secretly recorded conversations for the FBI. This provided the feds with the gory details on how the hospital lured in patients...including offering cash and cigarettes. Most alarming were the invasive tests and procedures doctors performed on these patients...whether they needed them or not.

Watch the cringeworthy TV news clip of Dr. Monty McClellan on the episode page of our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com 

Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on Patreon.

Find additional photos and articles on Instagram and our Facebook Group.

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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz

 

Multiple Edgewater Hospital doctors secretly recorded conversations for the FBI. This provided the feds with the gory details on how the hospital lured in patients...including offering cash and cigarettes. Most alarming were the invasive tests and procedures doctors performed on these patients...whether they needed them or not.
Watch the cringeworthy TV news clip of Dr. Monty McClellan on the episode page of our website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/episode-3-bad-apples/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>&nbsp;
Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.patreon.com/join/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>.
Find additional photos and articles on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast/">Instagram</a> and our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">Facebook Group</a>.
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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz
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Ep. 3: Bad Apples

Albert Okaro

Dr. Cubria's Reputation

FBI Goes Undercover

Dr. Kris Sriram

Employees Fears

Upcoding Scheme

Grant Hospital Purchase

FBI Visits Roger Ehmen

One Edgewater Cardiologist performed hundreds of invasive procedures on patients who didn't need them. Two of those patients died. Learn the tragic story of Dr. Andrew Cubria and the shocking way he tried to cover up what he did.  

See pictures of Dr. Cubria and learn more about the "heartless heart doctor" on the episode page of our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com

Unlock hours of bonus interviews, stories and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on Patreon.

Additional photos are on Instagram and our Facebook Group.

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This episode was written and produced by Todd Ganz.

 

One Edgewater Cardiologist performed hundreds of invasive procedures on patients who didn't need them. Two of those patients died. Learn the tragic story of Dr. Andrew Cubria and the shocking way he tried to cover up what he did.&nbsp;&nbsp;
See pictures of Dr. Cubria and learn more about the "heartless heart doctor" on the episode page of our website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/episode-4-immediate-danger/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>
Unlock hours of bonus interviews, stories and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/join/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>.
Additional photos are on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast/">Instagram </a>and our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">Facebook Group</a>.
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This episode was written and produced by Todd Ganz.
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Ep. 4: Dr. Andrew Cubria

Peter Rogan's Role

Did Roger Ehmen Wear a Wire?

The Steam Bath Incident

Mysterious Note Passing

Employees' Fears

Joint Commission

Hospital Board

More Note Passing

Peter Rogan Fired

58-Count Indictment

Roger Ehmen Pleads Guilty

Did Peter Pay Off Roger?

Fraudulent Money

Edgewater Hospital management feared someone might be cooperating with the FBI and wearing a wire. That led to staff meetings conducted in unusual places. And then the investigation came to a screeching halt leaving everyone asking: "Now what?".

Read the 58-count indictment on the episode page of our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com

Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on Patreon.

Additional photos are on our website, Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook Group.

Music in this episode comes from the YouTube Audio Library. Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Artist: http://audionautix.com/

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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz

 

 

Edgewater Hospital management feared someone might be cooperating with the FBI and wearing a wire. That led to staff meetings conducted in unusual places. And then the investigation came to a screeching halt leaving everyone asking: "Now what?".
Read the 58-count indictment on the episode page of our website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/something-we-had-to-do/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>
Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/join/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>.
Additional photos are on our <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/">website</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/ifthewalls">Twitter</a>, and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">Facebook Group</a>.
Music in this episode comes from the YouTube Audio Library. Intense Suspense by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/">https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ </a>Artist: <a href="http://audionautix.com/">http://audionautix.com/</a>
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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz
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Ep. 5: Something We Had to Do

Edgewater: What Could Have Been

Employees Lose Their Jobs

Dr. Cubria's Plea Deal

Dr. Rao's Plea Deal

Peter Rogan Sued

Working in a Closed Hospital

Peter Rogan's Employee Takes His Own Life

The US vs Peter Rogan

Roger Ehmen's Testimony

Dr. Cubria's Testimony

Peter Rogan's Testimony

Closing Arguments

The Verdict

As a handful of Edgewater Hospital doctors and Roger Ehmen headed to prison, Peter Rogan walked away a free man. While not charged criminally, Peter was sued in civil court. The United States vs Peter Rogan went to trial in 2006 and featured plenty of explosive testimony. At stake were tens of millions of Peter's dollars.

See the photos that attorney Wes Johnson took in the abandoned hospital on our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com

Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on Patreon.

Find more pictures and stories on Instagram and our Facebook Group.

 

As a handful of Edgewater Hospital doctors and Roger Ehmen headed to prison, Peter Rogan walked away a free man. While not charged criminally, Peter was sued in civil court. The United States vs Peter Rogan went to trial in 2006 and featured plenty of explosive testimony. At stake were tens of millions of Peter's dollars.
See the photos that attorney Wes Johnson took in the abandoned hospital on our website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/day-of-reckoning/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>
Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/join/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>.
Find more pictures and stories on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast/">Instagram</a> and our&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">Facebook Group</a>.
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Ep. 6: Day of Reckoning

Peter Rogan's Son Gets Married

Peter Rogan's Creditor Sues

Peter Rogan's Tab Exceeds $180 Million

Hospital Sits and Rots

Hospital Vandalized

Peter Rogan's Penthouse

Peter Rogan Arrested

Fred Cuppy's Antics

Hospital Buildings Crumble

Barbara O'Connor Profits

Urban Explorers

Medical Records Left Behind

After losing a $64 million civil suit to the government, Peter Rogan fled to Canada and lived in a swanky Vancouver penthouse. Even after the feds filed criminal charges, they struggled to bring him back back to Chicago. Meanwhile, the Edgewater Hospital campus crumbled and became a magnet for crime. The neighborhood demanded it be torn down.

See photos of Peter Rogan's yacht and haunting images of the abandoned hospital on the episode page of our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com

Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on Patreon.

Join us on Instagram and our Facebook Group.

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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz

 

After losing a $64 million civil suit to the government, Peter Rogan fled to Canada and lived in a swanky Vancouver penthouse. Even after the feds filed criminal charges, they struggled to bring him back back to Chicago. Meanwhile, the Edgewater Hospital campus crumbled and became a magnet for crime. The neighborhood demanded it be torn down.
See photos of Peter Rogan's yacht and haunting images of the abandoned hospital on the episode page of our website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/fringe-benefit/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>
Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/join/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>.
Join us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast/">Instagram </a>and our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">Facebook Group</a>.
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This episode was written and produced by: Todd Ganz
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Ep. 7: Fringe Benefit

Edgewater Hospital closed in 2001, but the hospital still saw dozens of people come and go. Some of the many visitors were Urban Explorers who photographed the abandoned hospital during the 15 years it sat idle. One person actually went to the abandoned Edgewater Hospital to receive treatment. Much to his surprise -- he found it.

See the numerous photos we referenced in this episode on our website: IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com

Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on Patreon.

See more of the Urban Explorers work:

Ken Fager on American Urbex on Flickr Instagram: @kenfager

Nitram242 on Flickr Instagram: @nitram242

Jordan Nicolette on Flickr Instagram: @jordan-nicolette

Kyle Telechan on Flickr Instagram: @cityeyes

Eric Holubow on Flickr Instagram: @eholubow - Book: Abandoned: America’s Vanishing Landscape

Bradley French on YouTube Instagram: @bradley_frenchy

Mike Kinsch Instagram: @mikeman902

Josh Tinoco Instagram: @joshuatinoco

Follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook Group.

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This episode was written and produced by Stephani Young.

 

Edgewater Hospital closed in 2001, but the hospital still saw dozens of people come and go. Some of the many visitors were Urban Explorers who photographed the abandoned hospital during the 15 years it sat idle. One person actually went to the abandoned Edgewater Hospital to receive treatment. Much to his surprise -- he found it.
See the numerous photos we referenced in this episode on our website: <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/episode-8-leave-only-footprints/">IftheWallsCouldTalkPodcast.com</a>
Hear bonus content, additional stories, interviews and behind-the-scenes content by supporting us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/join/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>.
See more of the Urban Explorers work:
Ken Fager on <a href="http://americanurbex.com/wordpress/?p=883">American Urbex</a> on&nbsp;<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/kenfagerdotcom/albums/72157625981858222">Flickr</a> Instagram: @kenfager
Nitram242 on <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/25165196@N08/albums/72157624038523831">Flickr </a>Instagram: @nitram242
Jordan Nicolette on <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/jordannicolette/albums/72157604989385918/page1">Flickr</a> Instagram: @jordan-nicolette
Kyle Telechan on <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cityeyes/albums/72157606790287818">Flickr </a>Instagram: @cityeyes
Eric Holubow on <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/eholubow/albums/72157629068898206">Flickr </a>Instagram: @eholubow - Book: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/0764346601/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_VER7E7FWRV1NKVV826H2">Abandoned: America&rsquo;s Vanishing Landscape</a>
Bradley French on <a href="https://m.youtube.com/c/BradleyFrench">YouTube </a>Instagram: @bradley_frenchy
Mike Kinsch Instagram: @mikeman902
Josh Tinoco Instagram: @joshuatinoco
Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast/">Instagram</a> and join our <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/ifthewalls">Facebook Group</a>.
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This episode was written and produced by Stephani Young.
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Ep. 8: Leave Only Footsteps

Peter Rogan Surrenders

Peter Rogan's Money

Redevelopment of Edgewater Hospital

Barbara O'Connor Profits Again

Peter Rogan Pleads Guilty

Andrew Boutros

21 Months

Edgewater Hospital's Legacy

Dr. Maynulet Says Goodbye

Peter Rogan abruptly ended his extradition fight and returned to the United States. He faced up to 50 years in prison and a $1 million fine for obstruction and perjury charges. Meanwhile the long-awaited redevelopment of Edgewater Hospital finally commenced and unearthed plenty of surprises.

Learn more about how Peter's sentencing hearing finally made headlines -- for different reasons -- on the episode page of If the Walls Could Talk Podcast website.

Access hours of bonus content, interviews and behind-the-scenes conversations by supporting us on Patreon. Plans start at just $10 / month.

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This episode was written and produced by Todd Ganz.

 

Peter Rogan abruptly ended his extradition fight and returned to the United States. He faced up to 50 years in prison and a $1 million fine for obstruction and perjury charges. Meanwhile the long-awaited redevelopment of Edgewater Hospital finally commenced and unearthed plenty of surprises.
Learn more about how Peter's sentencing hearing finally made headlines -- for different reasons -- on the episode page of <a href="https://ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast.com/episodes/episode-9-parade-of-lies/">If the Walls Could Talk Podcast website</a>.
Access hours of bonus content, interviews and behind-the-scenes conversations by supporting us on <a href="https://www.patreon.com/ifthewallscouldtalkpodcast">Patreon</a>. Plans start at just $10 / month.
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This episode was written and produced by Todd Ganz.
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Ep. 9: Parade of Lies

A struggling Chicago hospital did just about anything to admit patients. During the '90s and 2000s, Edgewater Hospital performed hundreds of unnecessary heart surgeries on patients just to pad its bottom line. Multiple patients died. Hear what lengths the government went in order to stop the fraud and why many believe the owner got away with it. Former employees, patients, investigators, and urban explorers recount the tangled history of what happened within the walls of Chicago's Edgewater Hospital.

A struggling Chicago hospital did just about anything to admit patients. During the '90s and 2000s, Edgewater Hospital performed hundreds of unnecessary heart surgeries on patients just to pad its bottom line. Multiple patients died. Hear what lengths the government went in order to stop the fraud and why many believe the owner got away with it. Former employees, patients, investigators, and urban explorers recount the tangled history of what happened within the walls of Chicago's Edgewater Hospital.

What happens when a group of bad apples take over a Chicago hospital...

If the Walls Could Talk

A struggling Chicago hospital did just about anything to admit patients. During the '90s and 2000s, Edgewater Hospital performed hundreds of unnecessary heart surgeries on patients just to pad its bottom line. Multiple patients died. Hear what lengths the government went in order to stop the fraud and why many believe the person responsible....got away with it. Former employees, patients, investigators, and urban explorers recount the tangled history of what happened within the walls of Chicago's Edgewater Hospital.

A struggling Chicago hospital did just about anything to admit patients. During the '90s and 2000s, Edgewater Hospital performed hundreds of unnecessary heart surgeries on patients just to pad its bottom line. Multiple patients died. Hear what lengths the government went in order to stop the fraud and why many believe the person responsible....got away with it. Former employees, patients, investigators, and urban explorers recount the tangled history of what happened within the walls of Chicago's Edgewater Hospital.

If the Walls Could Talk

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