Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is a badass artist and an even more badass human being. David Castagneda stars in Netflix's critically acclaimed drama series The Umbrella Academy, which is back for its fourth and final season. I know, I know, we are not quite ready to say goodbye now. The Umbrella Academy is based on a collection of comics and graphic novels and follows a group of estranged siblings with extraordinary powers who uncover family secrets while battling looming threats to humanity. Yeah, just sounds like you're normal Tuesday, right. David quickly became a fan favorite of the show as the sweet and impulsive and sometimes overly confident Diego Hargreaves. He's a police academy dropout turned vigilante who desperately wants to prove himself, and his performance is nothing short of brilliant. We have so much fun diving into the Umbrella Academy in this conversation, but we also really gets a peel back who David is beyond his character of Diego. There are so many nuggets of wisdom in this interview. You my friends are in for a treat. So let's see if today we can get David to say something that he has never said before.

Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me Tommy di Dario. Today's guest is a badass artist and an even more badass human being. David Castagneda stars in Netflix's critically acclaimed drama series The Umbrella Academy, which is back for its fourth and final season. I know, I know, we are not quite ready to say goodbye now. The Umbrella Academy is based on a collection of comics and graphic novels and follows a group of estranged siblings with extraordinary powers who uncover family secrets while battling looming threats to humanity. Yeah, just sounds like you're normal Tuesday, right. David quickly became a fan favorite of the show as the sweet and impulsive and sometimes overly confident Diego Hargreaves. He's a police academy dropout turned vigilante who desperately wants to prove himself, and his performance is nothing short of brilliant. We have so much fun diving into the Umbrella Academy in this conversation, but we also really gets a peel back who David is beyond his character of Diego. There are so many nuggets of wisdom in this interview. You my friends are in for a treat. So let's see if today we can get David to say something that he has never said before.

David, mom Man, how you doing. It's good to see you.

David, mom Man, how you doing. It's good to see you.

Thanks for having me. Tommy, I'm good man. How are you?

Thanks for having me. Tommy, I'm good man. How are you?

I am fantastic. I am psyched to be chatting with you. I see you right now in your fit era. You got like the muscle teeon guns are popping. You're looking good. You're looking good.

I am fantastic. I am psyched to be chatting with you. I see you right now in your fit era. You got like the muscle teeon guns are popping. You're looking good. You're looking good.

Thanks man. You know, I always feel like my mental state always correlates with how well I'm taking care of my body.

Thanks man. You know, I always feel like my mental state always correlates with how well I'm taking care of my body.

Well, you're looking fly. Good to see you. We have a lot to get to so I'm gonna jump right in. I am sad to say it is the final season of The Umbrella Academy, season four. I feel like the world this morning, the show they're not ready to say goodbye. So first off, how are you doing? Have you emotionally prepared for this moment? Like are you ready to say goodbye to the show or is it still kind of weird for you?

Well, you're looking fly. Good to see you. We have a lot to get to so I'm gonna jump right in. I am sad to say it is the final season of The Umbrella Academy, season four. I feel like the world this morning, the show they're not ready to say goodbye. So first off, how are you doing? Have you emotionally prepared for this moment? Like are you ready to say goodbye to the show or is it still kind of weird for you?

Well, what's funny is you know that question has my answer to that question has changed over the last week. When you know, we were doing press for Umbrella, like a few days before the release. You know, obviously I was like, I don't know when it's going to hit me, because they hadn't hit me that this was it. I was. I thought, maybe it'll hit me a few weeks after the show comes out, or maybe in a few months. And when the show came out the day it came out, that's when it really hit me, this sadness of not owning it anymore because no one had seen the last season. It was just us between the cast and the crew, and so when it got released, it was as if it belongs to the world now and it's not mine. That's when it really hit this feeling of oh, we're not we're done, and it's to everyone else's interpretation how they experienced the last season and it's not mine anymore. And so I am in that space now where very you know, it's very real, like it's over. Hopefully people are enjoying it and you know, maybe they get some closure, maybe they won't. I don't know, but I'm yeah, I'm going through it, you know, I'm going through it right now.

Well, what's funny is you know that question has my answer to that question has changed over the last week. When you know, we were doing press for Umbrella, like a few days before the release. You know, obviously I was like, I don't know when it's going to hit me, because they hadn't hit me that this was it. I was. I thought, maybe it'll hit me a few weeks after the show comes out, or maybe in a few months. And when the show came out the day it came out, that's when it really hit me, this sadness of not owning it anymore because no one had seen the last season. It was just us between the cast and the crew, and so when it got released, it was as if it belongs to the world now and it's not mine. That's when it really hit this feeling of oh, we're not we're done, and it's to everyone else's interpretation how they experienced the last season and it's not mine anymore. And so I am in that space now where very you know, it's very real, like it's over. Hopefully people are enjoying it and you know, maybe they get some closure, maybe they won't. I don't know, but I'm yeah, I'm going through it, you know, I'm going through it right now.

It sounds like it's very much a grieving process, right like you kind of go through all the different emotions and it hits you in different ways. I mean, it's been a part of your life for I know, four seasons, but how many years has that been.

It sounds like it's very much a grieving process, right like you kind of go through all the different emotions and it hits you in different ways. I mean, it's been a part of your life for I know, four seasons, but how many years has that been.

Twenty eighteen was when we start shooting the first season, so I want to say late twenty seventeen when I got the call wow, And we started shooting in twenty eighteen during the winter in Toronto. So it's been six years, six plus years of my life and I've gone to grow with this character in various ways and got to meet some of my closest friends on this show, and it gave me my entire career, and it really did.

Twenty eighteen was when we start shooting the first season, so I want to say late twenty seventeen when I got the call wow, And we started shooting in twenty eighteen during the winter in Toronto. So it's been six years, six plus years of my life and I've gone to grow with this character in various ways and got to meet some of my closest friends on this show, and it gave me my entire career, and it really did.

Are you good with beginnings and endings?

Are you good with beginnings and endings?

Like?

Like?

Are you a sentimental guy? Are you able to just kind of keep going? Or is this new for you?

Are you a sentimental guy? Are you able to just kind of keep going? Or is this new for you?

This is very new. I've never been one to say goodbye to anything. I've always been the person that sneaks out at parties or gatherings. I avoid the when am I going to see you again? Conversation? That's to me, that's something that I don't know. So I've just rather not make people feel like, you know, like they're waiting on me. So I'll just sneak out. So this is actually the first time that I sort of beginning of a chapter and ending of a whole chapter. When we wrapped season four, my last day of shooting, I snuck out of the set because I knew that they were going to try to, you know, like a season rap series wrap for David. I snuck out and then they caught me while I was sneaking out, and I was like, I was almost out the door. I was like by my chair, carrying my stuff, and then one of the pas brought me back there like Steve Blackman wants you back, and obviously Steve was the big boss, you know, so I was like, all right, I go back, and then you know, had to face the sort of all right, goodbye, you know, and everyone's clapping, and oddly enough, for being an actor, I'm very shy when it comes to being in the center of attention, which is kind of an interesting dynamic.

This is very new. I've never been one to say goodbye to anything. I've always been the person that sneaks out at parties or gatherings. I avoid the when am I going to see you again? Conversation? That's to me, that's something that I don't know. So I've just rather not make people feel like, you know, like they're waiting on me. So I'll just sneak out. So this is actually the first time that I sort of beginning of a chapter and ending of a whole chapter. When we wrapped season four, my last day of shooting, I snuck out of the set because I knew that they were going to try to, you know, like a season rap series wrap for David. I snuck out and then they caught me while I was sneaking out, and I was like, I was almost out the door. I was like by my chair, carrying my stuff, and then one of the pas brought me back there like Steve Blackman wants you back, and obviously Steve was the big boss, you know, so I was like, all right, I go back, and then you know, had to face the sort of all right, goodbye, you know, and everyone's clapping, and oddly enough, for being an actor, I'm very shy when it comes to being in the center of attention, which is kind of an interesting dynamic.

I feel, Yeah, for sure, it's so interesting that that was your moment of closure, right, Like, you put all this blood, sweat and tears into this role, into the series and people just wanted to celebrate you, and you were like a.

I feel, Yeah, for sure, it's so interesting that that was your moment of closure, right, Like, you put all this blood, sweat and tears into this role, into the series and people just wanted to celebrate you, and you were like a.

Good I'm good, love you all. But I'm good.

Good I'm good, love you all. But I'm good.

Yeah, I've always been that way. It's you know, especially because I've gotten to travel a lot. You know. When I used to live in Mexico, my my aunts would come and visit, and I just hated seeing them leave. You know, it was like they're gone, and so we avoided seeing each other before we left. You know. It was a weird thing. They would just call me like, hey, by the way, we're on the road already, we've left, you know, and they just didn't like watching us have this feeling of I'm going to miss you, just you know, conflict avoidant.

Yeah, I've always been that way. It's you know, especially because I've gotten to travel a lot. You know. When I used to live in Mexico, my my aunts would come and visit, and I just hated seeing them leave. You know, it was like they're gone, and so we avoided seeing each other before we left. You know. It was a weird thing. They would just call me like, hey, by the way, we're on the road already, we've left, you know, and they just didn't like watching us have this feeling of I'm going to miss you, just you know, conflict avoidant.

I guess I can relate.

I guess I can relate.

Man.

Man.

I grew up in a very old school Italian family, and it's similar. It's like, you know, you know there's love, you know, there's good vibes, but we don't always want to show it, you know.

I grew up in a very old school Italian family, and it's similar. It's like, you know, you know there's love, you know, there's good vibes, but we don't always want to show it, you know.

Yeah, I guess you know, from this culture, you I'm sure it's like very loud, very tight, and and the way we show love is through other you know, whether it's a humor or or acts of service. You know, they do things for you rather than knowing how to put it in words.

Yeah, I guess you know, from this culture, you I'm sure it's like very loud, very tight, and and the way we show love is through other you know, whether it's a humor or or acts of service. You know, they do things for you rather than knowing how to put it in words.

You know.

You know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, how old are you tell.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, how old are you tell.

Me I'm thirty hell and I'm thirty eight.

Me I'm thirty hell and I'm thirty eight.

Thirty eight, I'm in. Yeah, we'll start source serve at the same age.

Thirty eight, I'm in. Yeah, we'll start source serve at the same age.

You're younger now, yeah, thirty four.

You're younger now, yeah, thirty four.

But still, you know, we're like in that space where, like I feel, we can see our families as individuals, and as we remove ourselves a little bit more, then we start kind of seeing the entire umbrella of how we function within our family, and like, oh, I like to keep this from my culture and my family, and I like to change this, and you know, we have autonomy, I guess through the whole thing.

But still, you know, we're like in that space where, like I feel, we can see our families as individuals, and as we remove ourselves a little bit more, then we start kind of seeing the entire umbrella of how we function within our family, and like, oh, I like to keep this from my culture and my family, and I like to change this, and you know, we have autonomy, I guess through the whole thing.

Yeah, one hundred percent. It's definitely a learning curve and a learning process. But you come and see your own and you keep what you love and you kind of move away from what you don't.

Yeah, one hundred percent. It's definitely a learning curve and a learning process. But you come and see your own and you keep what you love and you kind of move away from what you don't.

So it's a it's all part of it.

So it's a it's all part of it.

But speaking of family, man the cast, I think some of the magic of the show is the cast seems so bonded together and you watch it as a viewer and you genuinely feel like, oh man, this group of people truly brings each other joy, Like it seems like a family. So is that dynamic? Has that been a really important factor for you in this project? And is that something you're going to miss.

But speaking of family, man the cast, I think some of the magic of the show is the cast seems so bonded together and you watch it as a viewer and you genuinely feel like, oh man, this group of people truly brings each other joy, Like it seems like a family. So is that dynamic? Has that been a really important factor for you in this project? And is that something you're going to miss.

Yeah, you know, when I first started the first season, I was looking for deep relationships with the people that I work with. That's you know, I'm a very like fully, like immersive person when it comes to just friendships and connections, and I want to know more. I want to know more deeply about things, and you know, when you're first meeting people, I'm sort of just throwing myself in the deep end. And that wasn't really the case because everyone's coming from different you know, you know, parts of the world and cultures and different value systems. So as the years progress, that thing that I was yearning for from season one started growing, growing and growing. So by the time we got to season three and four, it was like we were reuniting for like a family reunion. Every time we'd come into the season, it was so much excitement, and I think there's a lot of respect within all of us of our talents, because I was very curious about what they were going to do with you know, whatever it's on the page. I'm like, I wonder what they're going to do. And when we would see like for example, season two, you know, everyone had their own storylines and then we kind of merge. I found it so excited to see everyone else's scenes, you know, and getting to see what they did. I'm like, oh my god, this is amazing. Getting to see it was like birthday presents for each character. And then you know, you come together, you form a deeper bond, especially over the six years, seven years that I don't know. I don't know if I'm gonna I mean, we never talked every day, but when we saw each other, it was just, you know, just deep love and understanding.

Yeah, you know, when I first started the first season, I was looking for deep relationships with the people that I work with. That's you know, I'm a very like fully, like immersive person when it comes to just friendships and connections, and I want to know more. I want to know more deeply about things, and you know, when you're first meeting people, I'm sort of just throwing myself in the deep end. And that wasn't really the case because everyone's coming from different you know, you know, parts of the world and cultures and different value systems. So as the years progress, that thing that I was yearning for from season one started growing, growing and growing. So by the time we got to season three and four, it was like we were reuniting for like a family reunion. Every time we'd come into the season, it was so much excitement, and I think there's a lot of respect within all of us of our talents, because I was very curious about what they were going to do with you know, whatever it's on the page. I'm like, I wonder what they're going to do. And when we would see like for example, season two, you know, everyone had their own storylines and then we kind of merge. I found it so excited to see everyone else's scenes, you know, and getting to see what they did. I'm like, oh my god, this is amazing. Getting to see it was like birthday presents for each character. And then you know, you come together, you form a deeper bond, especially over the six years, seven years that I don't know. I don't know if I'm gonna I mean, we never talked every day, but when we saw each other, it was just, you know, just deep love and understanding.

Yeah, well that's a testament to a real relationship. You don't have to talk every day. I mean, life is busy, people have a million different things going on, but when you reconnect, it's just like a second has not been passed. It's it's the most amazing feeling. So that's awesome that you feel that with a big group of people. And yeah, the role you play is so epic. He's he's a fan favorite for good reason, right, I mean, people just love Diego. When you think back of your entire time playing this character, what will you most cherish?

Yeah, well that's a testament to a real relationship. You don't have to talk every day. I mean, life is busy, people have a million different things going on, but when you reconnect, it's just like a second has not been passed. It's it's the most amazing feeling. So that's awesome that you feel that with a big group of people. And yeah, the role you play is so epic. He's he's a fan favorite for good reason, right, I mean, people just love Diego. When you think back of your entire time playing this character, what will you most cherish?

I guess the parts of myself that I was able to explore that I didn't have to give too much reason why I'm doing things. An example would be I would have never gone to Thailand to train muay Thai for a month if I didn't have Diego as a real reason as to why I'm doing something. And so the excuse to be able to do that is a gift because Diego needed that. And and so there were many aspects that this character throughout the years allowed me to do because the character changed so much between seasons, so I was able to be like, Oh, what's the what's the entry point of Diego this year? You know? And I don't think you get that a lot on TV shows, you know, with like you know, you sort of come in and you know your characters so well, which I did with Diego. But there was always a shift that allowed me to discover more parts within myself, whether it was like the relationship with my father, the relationship with the mother, the relationship with us kid, being a family, man, being a husband. Is what is that within myself that I can tap into that I can hopefully give Diego some some some authenticity, you know, and what he's going through. And I, yeah, I feel maybe that's why he became a fan favorite, because I really invested a lot of myself in that in that character. Mm hmm.

I guess the parts of myself that I was able to explore that I didn't have to give too much reason why I'm doing things. An example would be I would have never gone to Thailand to train muay Thai for a month if I didn't have Diego as a real reason as to why I'm doing something. And so the excuse to be able to do that is a gift because Diego needed that. And and so there were many aspects that this character throughout the years allowed me to do because the character changed so much between seasons, so I was able to be like, Oh, what's the what's the entry point of Diego this year? You know? And I don't think you get that a lot on TV shows, you know, with like you know, you sort of come in and you know your characters so well, which I did with Diego. But there was always a shift that allowed me to discover more parts within myself, whether it was like the relationship with my father, the relationship with the mother, the relationship with us kid, being a family, man, being a husband. Is what is that within myself that I can tap into that I can hopefully give Diego some some some authenticity, you know, and what he's going through. And I, yeah, I feel maybe that's why he became a fan favorite, because I really invested a lot of myself in that in that character. Mm hmm.

I think that's pretty evident.

I think that's pretty evident.

And it's cool because it feels like you played in a way, like ten characters in one because as you're just so eloquently saying like he's so multi layered and multifaceted, which as an actor must be pretty damn fun to play.

And it's cool because it feels like you played in a way, like ten characters in one because as you're just so eloquently saying like he's so multi layered and multifaceted, which as an actor must be pretty damn fun to play.

I mean, it's a dream. It's a dream to be able to do that. You know, you I can only imagine, you know, because when you do a film, you can spend you know, four weeks, five weeks doing something and then it's gone. You know, you're like all right, you know, and then you're constantly thinking about what can you do better? And oh man, I could have done this or I couldn't. Well with Diego, I was like, oh I missed that. Okay, I'll I got another season. I'll bring that back. And there's a lot of redemption you know, within within those storylines. That's just the testament to like, you know, the Steve Blackman and the writers of being able to like notice like, oh there needs to be these shifts between seasons and then like going full steam.

I mean, it's a dream. It's a dream to be able to do that. You know, you I can only imagine, you know, because when you do a film, you can spend you know, four weeks, five weeks doing something and then it's gone. You know, you're like all right, you know, and then you're constantly thinking about what can you do better? And oh man, I could have done this or I couldn't. Well with Diego, I was like, oh I missed that. Okay, I'll I got another season. I'll bring that back. And there's a lot of redemption you know, within within those storylines. That's just the testament to like, you know, the Steve Blackman and the writers of being able to like notice like, oh there needs to be these shifts between seasons and then like going full steam.

Ahead, well, really interesting storyline this season, you know, being stripped of all the powers for the entire cast and kind of you're playing the stripped down version of yourself. How was stepping into that chapter of Diego?

Ahead, well, really interesting storyline this season, you know, being stripped of all the powers for the entire cast and kind of you're playing the stripped down version of yourself. How was stepping into that chapter of Diego?

It was fun. It was a lot of fun. There was an understanding as I was walking into the season was the identity of Diego as a superhero and not being that, so how much he valued himself and how much he saw himself as a very low important man and having the duty of being a father and a husband. Was I feel, well, he really thought that this was going to make him happy, which is I'm going to do what my dad didn't do. I'm want to do that, and knowing that actually the reason I can't be happy right now is because I'm still clinging onto this hope that I'll become a superhero again, so I can't enjoy what's in front of me. And that's very relatable. I feel like we all have aspects in our lives of when we compare ourselves to what we were or or someone else, it robs us of joy, It robs us of the moment and the people that are that we love and that are closest to us. And I was like, oh, yeah, I know that feeling I'll I'll just tap into that, and so there was a lot of you know, the posturing of who he is was very sort of kind of loose and kind of frumpy, and you know, compared to like season one, where he was sort of you know, he'd always stand tall, he'd had this way of carrying himself, and now he's just like, I don't care. You know, I've kind of just let myself go. That was great.

It was fun. It was a lot of fun. There was an understanding as I was walking into the season was the identity of Diego as a superhero and not being that, so how much he valued himself and how much he saw himself as a very low important man and having the duty of being a father and a husband. Was I feel, well, he really thought that this was going to make him happy, which is I'm going to do what my dad didn't do. I'm want to do that, and knowing that actually the reason I can't be happy right now is because I'm still clinging onto this hope that I'll become a superhero again, so I can't enjoy what's in front of me. And that's very relatable. I feel like we all have aspects in our lives of when we compare ourselves to what we were or or someone else, it robs us of joy, It robs us of the moment and the people that are that we love and that are closest to us. And I was like, oh, yeah, I know that feeling I'll I'll just tap into that, and so there was a lot of you know, the posturing of who he is was very sort of kind of loose and kind of frumpy, and you know, compared to like season one, where he was sort of you know, he'd always stand tall, he'd had this way of carrying himself, and now he's just like, I don't care. You know, I've kind of just let myself go. That was great.

Yeah, like I said earlier, it's quite the dichotomy that you get to play. So how fun that you got to step into those shoes and then we got to see him evolved throughout the season, which is always rewarding as a viewer for sure. You know, when a series comes to an ending, there's so much pressure for that perfect ending, right, like, well the viewers be happy? Will the actors be happy?

Yeah, like I said earlier, it's quite the dichotomy that you get to play. So how fun that you got to step into those shoes and then we got to see him evolved throughout the season, which is always rewarding as a viewer for sure. You know, when a series comes to an ending, there's so much pressure for that perfect ending, right, like, well the viewers be happy? Will the actors be happy?

Like?

Like?

Is it going to end in a way that makes everybody happy? Were you happy with the ending?

Is it going to end in a way that makes everybody happy? Were you happy with the ending?

And do you feel that pressure when you do have to wrap up a series, Like how do you separate from that?

And do you feel that pressure when you do have to wrap up a series, Like how do you separate from that?

If you can?

If you can?

Well, I am happy how it ended, and I'm happy because of the experience of shooting the whole season and the whole series. It is to me, it was the funnest season to shoot, you know, and it was partially because we knew it was going to be the last one. So there was a lot of effort and a lot of love and a lot of I think creative output that came through that season. And you know, I think there's been a misconception online which I've been curious because obviously people are very you know, they're divisive of like, you know, how it ended and all these things, and the character between Diego and Lila and I really love that they are always taking chances. I love that they're like, oh, you think it's going to be a buddy buddy thing, and then you flip it on five and Diego and it you know, it gets people angry. You know, I saw it. I was like, oh my god, people are really getting angry at this. And I think that that's good. It's good to have some sort of reaction to something that things can be flipped upside down and and why does that make you angry? You know, what about these characters made you feel comfort? And also what are they showing about ourselves and in real time as we're watching this? And yeah, so you know, I'm very proud of how this whole thing played out, and I'm really happy of the work that we all did for season four.

Well, I am happy how it ended, and I'm happy because of the experience of shooting the whole season and the whole series. It is to me, it was the funnest season to shoot, you know, and it was partially because we knew it was going to be the last one. So there was a lot of effort and a lot of love and a lot of I think creative output that came through that season. And you know, I think there's been a misconception online which I've been curious because obviously people are very you know, they're divisive of like, you know, how it ended and all these things, and the character between Diego and Lila and I really love that they are always taking chances. I love that they're like, oh, you think it's going to be a buddy buddy thing, and then you flip it on five and Diego and it you know, it gets people angry. You know, I saw it. I was like, oh my god, people are really getting angry at this. And I think that that's good. It's good to have some sort of reaction to something that things can be flipped upside down and and why does that make you angry? You know, what about these characters made you feel comfort? And also what are they showing about ourselves and in real time as we're watching this? And yeah, so you know, I'm very proud of how this whole thing played out, and I'm really happy of the work that we all did for season four.

Yeah, I thought it was a really moving ending, and I wasn't personally surprised by it.

Yeah, I thought it was a really moving ending, and I wasn't personally surprised by it.

I don't know why.

I don't know why.

I feel like, kind of when I started the series, I always imagine this might happen, but a lot of people were surprised. And this will be a spoiler alert for anybody listening, so you have a second to fast forward this little section right here. But did you did you expect that ending at any point or were you surprised?

I feel like, kind of when I started the series, I always imagine this might happen, but a lot of people were surprised. And this will be a spoiler alert for anybody listening, so you have a second to fast forward this little section right here. But did you did you expect that ending at any point or were you surprised?

Well, I was surprised. I was. I mean I kind of had an idea that like, well, how's it going to end? And how do you do it without being a cliffhanger? Or do you need a cliffhanger? You know, we're so used to watching something and having like a post credit scene and like, oh, somebody's gonna you know, there's more hope. And so when I did get the pages, I was kind of hoping that these were dummy sides. I was kind of hoping like, oh, maybe Steve is you know, this is what it is, But then when we show up, it'll be different because he usually does that. He'll you know, he'll give us the pages like a day or two before we shoot it, and so I thought, oh, he's probably gonna change it by the time we get there, and like, no, no, no, that was it. We shot it, and I was like okay, yeah, okay, and I knew that like that day, we're all like holding hands and you know, the goo is kind of coming up to our faces. I was like, man, everyone's gonna start crying. It's gonna be so funny. And yeah, some people cried. Some people cried. I mean obviously I cried in the scene, but after that, I was like, Okay, I don't want to I you know, no, I don't want to feel this too much. Talk about this later.

Well, I was surprised. I was. I mean I kind of had an idea that like, well, how's it going to end? And how do you do it without being a cliffhanger? Or do you need a cliffhanger? You know, we're so used to watching something and having like a post credit scene and like, oh, somebody's gonna you know, there's more hope. And so when I did get the pages, I was kind of hoping that these were dummy sides. I was kind of hoping like, oh, maybe Steve is you know, this is what it is, But then when we show up, it'll be different because he usually does that. He'll you know, he'll give us the pages like a day or two before we shoot it, and so I thought, oh, he's probably gonna change it by the time we get there, and like, no, no, no, that was it. We shot it, and I was like okay, yeah, okay, and I knew that like that day, we're all like holding hands and you know, the goo is kind of coming up to our faces. I was like, man, everyone's gonna start crying. It's gonna be so funny. And yeah, some people cried. Some people cried. I mean obviously I cried in the scene, but after that, I was like, Okay, I don't want to I you know, no, I don't want to feel this too much. Talk about this later.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And was that the final scene you actually shot or no, no.

And was that the final scene you actually shot or no, no.

My final scene was we did it. We had to do with some pickup shots in the with Ben and the monster in the in the shopping mall, with like with the stairs where I fight five, we just have to do some pickup shots there. So that was the moment where I try to sneak out at the end and they brought me back to give like a you know, a thank you and a farewell, well.

My final scene was we did it. We had to do with some pickup shots in the with Ben and the monster in the in the shopping mall, with like with the stairs where I fight five, we just have to do some pickup shots there. So that was the moment where I try to sneak out at the end and they brought me back to give like a you know, a thank you and a farewell, well.

You know what, good you deserve that, So I'm glad they grabbed your ass and brought you back.

You know what, good you deserve that, So I'm glad they grabbed your ass and brought you back.

I appreciate that, man. Yeah, thank you.

I appreciate that, man. Yeah, thank you.

Is is there a moment in the entire series, a Diego moment for you that you'll always remember? I mean, you shoot so much, and I obviously you can't remember every line in every scene unless you have a brainiac brain. But is there a moment or a scene that you're going to be like, yeah, that's that's going to stay with me for a long time.

Is is there a moment in the entire series, a Diego moment for you that you'll always remember? I mean, you shoot so much, and I obviously you can't remember every line in every scene unless you have a brainiac brain. But is there a moment or a scene that you're going to be like, yeah, that's that's going to stay with me for a long time.

Yeah. I mean there's many, many, but I'll start with like the first. I think one of the first moments was we were shooting the funeral scene with Dad in season one and I was, you know, I was coming in, you know, I didn't really know anyone, and there was a massive fight scene with you know, Diego and Luthor, and the had rain towers and it was freezing and it was Toronto, and you know, and my character I was like, yeah, he wouldn't wear it, he wouldn't have an umbrella, and Steve agreed, so everyone else had an umbrella and everyone else was dry, and I was the only one just getting wet. You know, and I was like yeah, and so we started fighting and the you know, by the second day, you know, my my wat my clothes are drenched. I'm wearing like a kind of like a wetsuit underneath so I don't get hypothermia, and the mud had frozen. So we're fighting on almost what it feels like an ice cap of mud. And I was so gung ho on, like, no stumb doubles, so I wanted to do the whole thing and I did. You know, I think there was one small moment where they had to use a stunt guy. I wish I knew his name. It was from season one, but I just remember fighting with Tom, and there was this moment where Tom was like, hey, May, like, you're actually hitting me in this moment, you're hitting me and and I was like, I'm so sorry. I'll fix it. And I did, and I thought I did, but then instead of telling me again, you know, I guess by this point, maybe I've hit him a few more than a few times. But he had to tell the director. And the director comes up to me, Peter Horror, who did the pilot, and he comes up and he says, don't hit him. Stop hitting him.

Yeah. I mean there's many, many, but I'll start with like the first. I think one of the first moments was we were shooting the funeral scene with Dad in season one and I was, you know, I was coming in, you know, I didn't really know anyone, and there was a massive fight scene with you know, Diego and Luthor, and the had rain towers and it was freezing and it was Toronto, and you know, and my character I was like, yeah, he wouldn't wear it, he wouldn't have an umbrella, and Steve agreed, so everyone else had an umbrella and everyone else was dry, and I was the only one just getting wet. You know, and I was like yeah, and so we started fighting and the you know, by the second day, you know, my my wat my clothes are drenched. I'm wearing like a kind of like a wetsuit underneath so I don't get hypothermia, and the mud had frozen. So we're fighting on almost what it feels like an ice cap of mud. And I was so gung ho on, like, no stumb doubles, so I wanted to do the whole thing and I did. You know, I think there was one small moment where they had to use a stunt guy. I wish I knew his name. It was from season one, but I just remember fighting with Tom, and there was this moment where Tom was like, hey, May, like, you're actually hitting me in this moment, you're hitting me and and I was like, I'm so sorry. I'll fix it. And I did, and I thought I did, but then instead of telling me again, you know, I guess by this point, maybe I've hit him a few more than a few times. But he had to tell the director. And the director comes up to me, Peter Horror, who did the pilot, and he comes up and he says, don't hit him. Stop hitting him.

You know.

You know.

And I remember as because I was so in the zone, I start crying and I'm like and it was it was almost like I was talking to hard Grieves. I started crying and I was like, I'm not hitting him, I'm not hitting him, and he and he was like, I know you're not.

And I remember as because I was so in the zone, I start crying and I'm like and it was it was almost like I was talking to hard Grieves. I started crying and I was like, I'm not hitting him, I'm not hitting him, and he and he was like, I know you're not.

I know you're not.

I know you're not.

And he leaves. And that's when I realized, like, oh, I've I've discovered Diego in that moment, because it was such a sibling rivalry in that moment and the fact that this director, who was sort of a person that we were looking for for guidance on a day to day basis comes up and says, stop hitting him. And then I immediately want to like a dad, being like I'm not hitting him, and then him being like, I know you're not. I know you're not. It's fine. And I was like, Oh, that's him. That's that's that's Diego. And I just remember from that point on, and I was talking to my buddy Colin, who's who's a good friend of mine. He's my manager too, and I was like, hey, this happened to me, and he was like, you found him, that's it. And I was like, oh, you're right, and that sort of stuck in me throughout season. Want that whole just the Luther Diego thing, you know, and the chip on your shoulder kind of vibe stuck with me for yeah till today.

And he leaves. And that's when I realized, like, oh, I've I've discovered Diego in that moment, because it was such a sibling rivalry in that moment and the fact that this director, who was sort of a person that we were looking for for guidance on a day to day basis comes up and says, stop hitting him. And then I immediately want to like a dad, being like I'm not hitting him, and then him being like, I know you're not. I know you're not. It's fine. And I was like, Oh, that's him. That's that's that's Diego. And I just remember from that point on, and I was talking to my buddy Colin, who's who's a good friend of mine. He's my manager too, and I was like, hey, this happened to me, and he was like, you found him, that's it. And I was like, oh, you're right, and that sort of stuck in me throughout season. Want that whole just the Luther Diego thing, you know, and the chip on your shoulder kind of vibe stuck with me for yeah till today.

That's not always the norm to find a character so quickly, right, like you hear people. Sometimes it takes some two or three seasons to really get on the groove, and the fact that you kind of slide into his shoes so fast is a testament to how you connected with the material.

That's not always the norm to find a character so quickly, right, like you hear people. Sometimes it takes some two or three seasons to really get on the groove, and the fact that you kind of slide into his shoes so fast is a testament to how you connected with the material.

For sure.

For sure.

This series is obviously based off a very popular comics series, and with that comes a built in fandom and perhaps some pressure to please that built in fandom. Did you ever feel that going into the show or were you able to kind of separate that and just get to work.

This series is obviously based off a very popular comics series, and with that comes a built in fandom and perhaps some pressure to please that built in fandom. Did you ever feel that going into the show or were you able to kind of separate that and just get to work.

No, I was I was able to separate that. I didn't know how popular they were until we started promoting, when they flew us to all these places around the world, where I got to go to Singapore, you know, Brazil Comic Con, New York Comic Con, and and getting to see the uproar of or excitement of what this show was. I was like, how do they we haven't even showed a trailer and how are these people so excited? And so thankfully it wasn't until after, so I didn't have this pressure of like, oh, what are people are going to think? I was you know, I had maybe like seven hundred followers on Instagram, so I was like completely like, no one knows me, and this will be it. And when my and it still didn't click on me because Steve Blackman, at the beginning of season one, he goes, you know, I want to get the Diego a stammer because you know, he's such as such a cool and like tough guy, and it's like, I really want to give him something that I think will bring some vulnerability. And I said, great, let's do it. And I told my buddy Colin. I was like, hey, so they're going to give me a stammer and he was like, well, you got to be careful, bro, this is going to be your big debut. I was like, debut for what? And he's like, this is going to be big and I was like, yeah, right, whatever, and yeah he was right, you know, and yeah, and even it's funny enough. Even going into season two three four, I've been really I think it's been really healthy because I don't feel that pressure of what are people going to think about this? I'm very blessed in that, I think department.

No, I was I was able to separate that. I didn't know how popular they were until we started promoting, when they flew us to all these places around the world, where I got to go to Singapore, you know, Brazil Comic Con, New York Comic Con, and and getting to see the uproar of or excitement of what this show was. I was like, how do they we haven't even showed a trailer and how are these people so excited? And so thankfully it wasn't until after, so I didn't have this pressure of like, oh, what are people are going to think? I was you know, I had maybe like seven hundred followers on Instagram, so I was like completely like, no one knows me, and this will be it. And when my and it still didn't click on me because Steve Blackman, at the beginning of season one, he goes, you know, I want to get the Diego a stammer because you know, he's such as such a cool and like tough guy, and it's like, I really want to give him something that I think will bring some vulnerability. And I said, great, let's do it. And I told my buddy Colin. I was like, hey, so they're going to give me a stammer and he was like, well, you got to be careful, bro, this is going to be your big debut. I was like, debut for what? And he's like, this is going to be big and I was like, yeah, right, whatever, and yeah he was right, you know, and yeah, and even it's funny enough. Even going into season two three four, I've been really I think it's been really healthy because I don't feel that pressure of what are people going to think about this? I'm very blessed in that, I think department.

I've seen on social media a lot of people, a lot of people are saying they would be down for your character to have a spinoff.

I've seen on social media a lot of people, a lot of people are saying they would be down for your character to have a spinoff.

Have you seen that?

Have you seen that?

No? I haven't. Actually, yeah, like.

No? I haven't. Actually, yeah, like.

People are almost it's starting to gain some traction. Is that something you would ever consider?

People are almost it's starting to gain some traction. Is that something you would ever consider?

Man? I mean, I got goosebumps. You're saying that if I wants to do so, maybe yeah, I would. I mean, I love, I love this character. I think I think it'd be awesome to have an opportunity to continue. But that's you know, I'm open. It all depends on Netflix and Universal to you know, be gained for that, but we'll see. And dark Horse also because dark Horses, you know sort of the you know, they do the comics and stuff.

Man? I mean, I got goosebumps. You're saying that if I wants to do so, maybe yeah, I would. I mean, I love, I love this character. I think I think it'd be awesome to have an opportunity to continue. But that's you know, I'm open. It all depends on Netflix and Universal to you know, be gained for that, but we'll see. And dark Horse also because dark Horses, you know sort of the you know, they do the comics and stuff.

Have you ever thought about what you might want to explore if given more time, or maybe something you never got the chance to explore for your character?

Have you ever thought about what you might want to explore if given more time, or maybe something you never got the chance to explore for your character?

I mean, I would like to see what the five years or the six years that happens between season three and four, you know, or possibly like you know, see what he was doing before the harder funeral, you know, seeing like those those moments before, Because I think there was something that evolved with Diego as the seasons progress, which is his comedy, you know, and I feel like for season one he was dry, he was witty and very angry, but as the season move along, he sort of became a little bit more you know, the butt of the joke. So that being said, I kind of want to see, like if is that possible to introduce that in an earlier stage of his life. But you I don't know. I mean, the Umbrella the Umbrella riders are so witty and you know, so smart, and they'll just come up with like the zonkiest storylines. So one thing we did think, you know, Tom and I were thinking about it was like, dude, you know, it would be great. It's like if Diego and Luther getting some sort of like Bill and Ted's like excellent adventure kind of thing where like they're able to use a briefcase and they go to these different places kind of like doctor. You know, they can just go to these different ways and then just be too you know, Abbot and Costellos, you know, talking to like some I don't know, some Egyptian gods or something.

I mean, I would like to see what the five years or the six years that happens between season three and four, you know, or possibly like you know, see what he was doing before the harder funeral, you know, seeing like those those moments before, Because I think there was something that evolved with Diego as the seasons progress, which is his comedy, you know, and I feel like for season one he was dry, he was witty and very angry, but as the season move along, he sort of became a little bit more you know, the butt of the joke. So that being said, I kind of want to see, like if is that possible to introduce that in an earlier stage of his life. But you I don't know. I mean, the Umbrella the Umbrella riders are so witty and you know, so smart, and they'll just come up with like the zonkiest storylines. So one thing we did think, you know, Tom and I were thinking about it was like, dude, you know, it would be great. It's like if Diego and Luther getting some sort of like Bill and Ted's like excellent adventure kind of thing where like they're able to use a briefcase and they go to these different places kind of like doctor. You know, they can just go to these different ways and then just be too you know, Abbot and Costellos, you know, talking to like some I don't know, some Egyptian gods or something.

I don't know, just you know, we're putting it all out there right now, so let's let's let's let it live in the universe. And you never know, that would be actually really hysterical to watch. So I'm into that. Yeah, very interesting, many ideas that could come out of this. So who knows if we'll see your character again, but I think a lot of people would be here for it. You did you play this character over the course of seven eight years, we'll say, four seasons. What has David the Human learned most about himself from starting on day one to where you are today?

I don't know, just you know, we're putting it all out there right now, so let's let's let's let it live in the universe. And you never know, that would be actually really hysterical to watch. So I'm into that. Yeah, very interesting, many ideas that could come out of this. So who knows if we'll see your character again, but I think a lot of people would be here for it. You did you play this character over the course of seven eight years, we'll say, four seasons. What has David the Human learned most about himself from starting on day one to where you are today?

I mean, you know, I think, yeah, you know, I'll tell you this. One of the things that I've learned is snipper about you. You know, it's never about you and or it's never about me, you know, in terms of in terms of telling myself because so many times, you know, you go into a set and you think that everyone around you is behaving a certain way because of you, and it's never really the case. Everyone's sort of having their own world, their own thoughts, their own perceptions. And as an artist, you know, sometimes we think we're so you know, we could be self centered. We could be so self centered, so when we show up we can feel like, how do I get mine right now? And is this person preventing me from doing that? And what I've learned through being on the show and through acting mostly is about it's always make it about the other person. Always. That is, I think when the purest form really comes out, when i'd remove myself from it, excuse me, and I make it about a person in front of me. If I do that, and if hopefully they have the same mentality, then everything falls into place. Everything, the entire scene, the storylines, the dynamics on set, it all sings. And that was something that I did not have going into season one. I remember that I was very, very insecure. It comes in ways still today. But if I focus on making it about the other person, everything kind of I stop thinking about myself.

I mean, you know, I think, yeah, you know, I'll tell you this. One of the things that I've learned is snipper about you. You know, it's never about you and or it's never about me, you know, in terms of in terms of telling myself because so many times, you know, you go into a set and you think that everyone around you is behaving a certain way because of you, and it's never really the case. Everyone's sort of having their own world, their own thoughts, their own perceptions. And as an artist, you know, sometimes we think we're so you know, we could be self centered. We could be so self centered, so when we show up we can feel like, how do I get mine right now? And is this person preventing me from doing that? And what I've learned through being on the show and through acting mostly is about it's always make it about the other person. Always. That is, I think when the purest form really comes out, when i'd remove myself from it, excuse me, and I make it about a person in front of me. If I do that, and if hopefully they have the same mentality, then everything falls into place. Everything, the entire scene, the storylines, the dynamics on set, it all sings. And that was something that I did not have going into season one. I remember that I was very, very insecure. It comes in ways still today. But if I focus on making it about the other person, everything kind of I stop thinking about myself.

That's a good reminder, man, And that's a testament to the success you've had and the success you'll continue to have and everything you've accomplished. I mean, in speaking of success, do you feel that, like do you look at yourself and say, you know what, I feel successful?

That's a good reminder, man, And that's a testament to the success you've had and the success you'll continue to have and everything you've accomplished. I mean, in speaking of success, do you feel that, like do you look at yourself and say, you know what, I feel successful?

Like I'm doing my thing.

Like I'm doing my thing.

Sometimes Yeah, sometimes I'll I'll just kind of. I remember when I used to rent a studio in Silver Lake and I wasn't making much money, but I just I was just the fact that my heart and my mind, my spirit was able to provide some sort of money to have a studio. I was like, this is insane. I can't believe that my imagination is providing this. It blows my mind that there's a there. We're in a world where we can actually do those things and we can have some sort of we can make a you know, have a livable wage at something like this. And obviously I understand, like, you know, I am very lucky because my preparation with the right, perfect timing got me in this position, and that not everyone is doing that. But the fact that, you know, sometimes I can have these little moments of yeah, I'm doing all right, and it goes this goes back to not comparing myself because the moment I start comparing, like oh I should be here or I should be there now, it robs me of of being yeah, proud, just proud of what I've done. And I don't even know what happens like that, you know, but you know, my family's healthy friends are good. I got I got food, I've got a healthy dog, you know, so I be like.

Sometimes Yeah, sometimes I'll I'll just kind of. I remember when I used to rent a studio in Silver Lake and I wasn't making much money, but I just I was just the fact that my heart and my mind, my spirit was able to provide some sort of money to have a studio. I was like, this is insane. I can't believe that my imagination is providing this. It blows my mind that there's a there. We're in a world where we can actually do those things and we can have some sort of we can make a you know, have a livable wage at something like this. And obviously I understand, like, you know, I am very lucky because my preparation with the right, perfect timing got me in this position, and that not everyone is doing that. But the fact that, you know, sometimes I can have these little moments of yeah, I'm doing all right, and it goes this goes back to not comparing myself because the moment I start comparing, like oh I should be here or I should be there now, it robs me of of being yeah, proud, just proud of what I've done. And I don't even know what happens like that, you know, but you know, my family's healthy friends are good. I got I got food, I've got a healthy dog, you know, so I be like.

Yeah, doing pretty good, good good.

Yeah, doing pretty good, good good.

I think it's always an important reminder for us to check ourselves because we always, you know, you want more. We always want to keep hopefully growing and excelling and getting that next kind of marker on the chart that we have of our lives kind of mapped out. But to sit back and reflect and actually think, like, you know, wait a minute, I'm I'm I'm doing some cool things and I'm proud of me. I think that's a reminder. I try to check in with myself on and I try to bring that up with other people, because it's probably not something you walk around your home looking in a mirror saying like I'm successful, I'm proud someone you have someone or maybe you do maybe that's a Tuesday night for you. Yeah, But when you have someone kind of way done in front of you, I think that's a pretty pretty cool thing. So that's awesome and I'm glad that you feel that way.

I think it's always an important reminder for us to check ourselves because we always, you know, you want more. We always want to keep hopefully growing and excelling and getting that next kind of marker on the chart that we have of our lives kind of mapped out. But to sit back and reflect and actually think, like, you know, wait a minute, I'm I'm I'm doing some cool things and I'm proud of me. I think that's a reminder. I try to check in with myself on and I try to bring that up with other people, because it's probably not something you walk around your home looking in a mirror saying like I'm successful, I'm proud someone you have someone or maybe you do maybe that's a Tuesday night for you. Yeah, But when you have someone kind of way done in front of you, I think that's a pretty pretty cool thing. So that's awesome and I'm glad that you feel that way.

Man.

Man.

Ah, I'm so sad to have to wrap up this conversation because I've been enjoying it so very much. But the final question of this interview is based off the title of the show, which is I've never said this before. And I know you've done so many interviews and so much press over the years, and even today you've shared so much that's been amazing. But is there something that you can think of that you've never said before that you would like to share today?

Ah, I'm so sad to have to wrap up this conversation because I've been enjoying it so very much. But the final question of this interview is based off the title of the show, which is I've never said this before. And I know you've done so many interviews and so much press over the years, and even today you've shared so much that's been amazing. But is there something that you can think of that you've never said before that you would like to share today?

I mean there's there. I mean there's a lot of things that I've never said before. And obviously, like in a public setting, right like, because there's one thing to share something with, like family and people that are really close to you, and then when you go to a public setting, a lot of it is it's like, Okay, how do I say something with that it becoming a headline that'm sort of that people misinterpreted or anything like that. But I feel like, yeah, one of the things that I've sort of never said was, you know, I had a real deep and it goes both ways, had a very deep security of where I was going to land. I just knew. I was like my life has been so up and down between like I lived in like thirteen different homes before I was the age of seven, right with my family moving from this place or that place of this place and then going to Mexico for some security and always not fitting in. It was really it was so hard. But the thing that really kept me going was obviously I had a wonderful family, but kept me going was life is not putting me through all of this if it's not going to give me something at the back end, whatever that is. I didn't know I was going to be this specifically, you know, I thought it was going to be I don't know. I didn't know, but I just knew that that was my thought was like, I'm learning all this right now, how to adapt, how to connect with people, how to withstand some adversity and conflict, because there's something at the end of this tunnel that's going to give me that I'm going to be able to use all of this to adapt. And I was able to because in acting, all you're trying to do is relate to the other person and what are you, what do we have in common? And how do I really get in there with you? And how do I read the room? And makes me more aware of the space. And that was something that I had to deal with my entire life as I was a kid and moving back and forth, and so that was you know, that was the deep understanding. I was like, oh, I think something really good is going to happen from this, and yeah, and I'm able to use that as a tool to on my you know, every day, just how I interact with people.

I mean there's there. I mean there's a lot of things that I've never said before. And obviously, like in a public setting, right like, because there's one thing to share something with, like family and people that are really close to you, and then when you go to a public setting, a lot of it is it's like, Okay, how do I say something with that it becoming a headline that'm sort of that people misinterpreted or anything like that. But I feel like, yeah, one of the things that I've sort of never said was, you know, I had a real deep and it goes both ways, had a very deep security of where I was going to land. I just knew. I was like my life has been so up and down between like I lived in like thirteen different homes before I was the age of seven, right with my family moving from this place or that place of this place and then going to Mexico for some security and always not fitting in. It was really it was so hard. But the thing that really kept me going was obviously I had a wonderful family, but kept me going was life is not putting me through all of this if it's not going to give me something at the back end, whatever that is. I didn't know I was going to be this specifically, you know, I thought it was going to be I don't know. I didn't know, but I just knew that that was my thought was like, I'm learning all this right now, how to adapt, how to connect with people, how to withstand some adversity and conflict, because there's something at the end of this tunnel that's going to give me that I'm going to be able to use all of this to adapt. And I was able to because in acting, all you're trying to do is relate to the other person and what are you, what do we have in common? And how do I really get in there with you? And how do I read the room? And makes me more aware of the space. And that was something that I had to deal with my entire life as I was a kid and moving back and forth, and so that was you know, that was the deep understanding. I was like, oh, I think something really good is going to happen from this, and yeah, and I'm able to use that as a tool to on my you know, every day, just how I interact with people.

Isn't that so interesting that not feeling like you fit in all those years and you're kind of bouncing around and not knowing your place didn't dissuade you or throw you off of the path to going after what it is you wanted to achieve. Like that's that is some willpower, right because not everyone would follow that that road. They might say, oh, you know what, I don't fit in, I'm not meant to be anywhere, Like I'm just going to figure out where life takes me. But you had such drive, I guess, and determination to move past that feeling and land where you are.

Isn't that so interesting that not feeling like you fit in all those years and you're kind of bouncing around and not knowing your place didn't dissuade you or throw you off of the path to going after what it is you wanted to achieve. Like that's that is some willpower, right because not everyone would follow that that road. They might say, oh, you know what, I don't fit in, I'm not meant to be anywhere, Like I'm just going to figure out where life takes me. But you had such drive, I guess, and determination to move past that feeling and land where you are.

I feel like it sort of goes back to you know, the people around us. You know the people around us that don't really let you I don't know if I don't want to say they don't let you notice the adversity or the conflicts. They just make it so normal. They make it so normal that when something happens, when you feel rejected, when you don't feel like you fit in. You just know that things are still okay. You know, everything is still fine. Like I remember going to the store and my parents being like, what do you want? You want this great and we're about to buy it and the credit card declines, you know, and being outside and watch and my dad even speaks about this about He's like, you know, just see in your face how much it would break me of your sort of sadness and your disappointment that you were about to get something and you didn't get it. But even through that, I understood that not everything will fall my way, not everything. And so that was just one of the most helpful lessons as a child, because you know, if something doesn't fall my way. Now I can think about those moments and I'm like, well, it wasn't meant to be. And it could be so cliche and stereotypical right to say those things, but when you know, we've all experienced them, we all have, I guessaid it goes back to this thing, it's it's not about us, it's not about me.

I feel like it sort of goes back to you know, the people around us. You know the people around us that don't really let you I don't know if I don't want to say they don't let you notice the adversity or the conflicts. They just make it so normal. They make it so normal that when something happens, when you feel rejected, when you don't feel like you fit in. You just know that things are still okay. You know, everything is still fine. Like I remember going to the store and my parents being like, what do you want? You want this great and we're about to buy it and the credit card declines, you know, and being outside and watch and my dad even speaks about this about He's like, you know, just see in your face how much it would break me of your sort of sadness and your disappointment that you were about to get something and you didn't get it. But even through that, I understood that not everything will fall my way, not everything. And so that was just one of the most helpful lessons as a child, because you know, if something doesn't fall my way. Now I can think about those moments and I'm like, well, it wasn't meant to be. And it could be so cliche and stereotypical right to say those things, but when you know, we've all experienced them, we all have, I guessaid it goes back to this thing, it's it's not about us, it's not about me.

I'm walking away from this conversation like smiling from me hear to ear, because I'm always it's so fulfilling for me as the host of the show, and I get to talk to people who really get to open up in ways that you don't always get to in a six minute junkitt or a three minute carpet. I mean, I get to like the heart of who you are. Right, we all know the character you play. It's a character. It's not real. Like I want to get to know who you are as my guests. And it's really cool you came on here today and like shared all of that and just show the human side to you, which I think a lot of people are going to find also so fulfilling. So for that, I thank you. This was really a great conversation. I couldn't have enjoyed it more.

I'm walking away from this conversation like smiling from me hear to ear, because I'm always it's so fulfilling for me as the host of the show, and I get to talk to people who really get to open up in ways that you don't always get to in a six minute junkitt or a three minute carpet. I mean, I get to like the heart of who you are. Right, we all know the character you play. It's a character. It's not real. Like I want to get to know who you are as my guests. And it's really cool you came on here today and like shared all of that and just show the human side to you, which I think a lot of people are going to find also so fulfilling. So for that, I thank you. This was really a great conversation. I couldn't have enjoyed it more.

Thank you, Tommy and Man, obviously I appreciate you and also your intellect and you know your questions and just how much you sort of bring yourself to it. You know it's it's easy. You make it really easy.

Thank you, Tommy and Man, obviously I appreciate you and also your intellect and you know your questions and just how much you sort of bring yourself to it. You know it's it's easy. You make it really easy.

Well, thank you, my friend. Thank you.

Well, thank you, my friend. Thank you.

If you're ever in New York, let me know I'll be following your career.

If you're ever in New York, let me know I'll be following your career.

Obviously.

Obviously.

The fourth season of The Umbrella Academy is out now go watch it over and over again and until we meet again.

The fourth season of The Umbrella Academy is out now go watch it over and over again and until we meet again.

Thank you, Tommy, and I will I'll reach out to you in New York once I get there.

Thank you, Tommy, and I will I'll reach out to you in New York once I get there.

All right, sounds good, be willing Man.

All right, sounds good, be willing Man.

Thank you too many.

Thank you too many.

I've Never Said This Before is hosted by me, Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts. For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and if you liked this episode.

I've Never Said This Before is hosted by me, Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts. For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and if you liked this episode.

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Until next time, I'm Tommy Dedario

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