Welcome back to ID part two, which one of your celebrity mentors, Kelly ben Simone. On this podcast. You've been with me on the journey from talking about calling off my engagement last year to manifesting my future husband to going on set updates. It's been so much fun so far and really really healing. I am so excited today because I've mentioned this person several times in the show, and I think having him on the podcast is going to help you get to know me a little bit better. So I am bringing in my twin brother. His name is Tom caylorin, but he's known to me as Tommy. Hi Tommy, Hi Kelly, Happy birthday, Having birthday Tommy, and love you.

Welcome back to ID part two, which one of your celebrity mentors, Kelly ben Simone. On this podcast. You've been with me on the journey from talking about calling off my engagement last year to manifesting my future husband to going on set updates. It's been so much fun so far and really really healing. I am so excited today because I've mentioned this person several times in the show, and I think having him on the podcast is going to help you get to know me a little bit better. So I am bringing in my twin brother. His name is Tom caylorin, but he's known to me as Tommy. Hi Tommy, Hi Kelly, Happy birthday, Having birthday Tommy, and love you.

You made it another year.

You made it another year.

Thank you for my president. You're the worst person to buy presence for because you're like Jim Shorts. I'm like Jim shortsone's Jim Shorts, asked.

Thank you for my president. You're the worst person to buy presence for because you're like Jim Shorts. I'm like Jim shortsone's Jim Shorts, asked.

For Jim Shorts.

For Jim Shorts.

But you know, forty again, Kelly, A baby.

But you know, forty again, Kelly, A baby.

Again, Tommy. Let's get into this because we're on our d part two and actually I've been I told you about this, how much fun I've been having talking about love and kind of you know, unpacking everything that happened last year, but I want you to tell the listeners what it was like growing up with us.

Again, Tommy. Let's get into this because we're on our d part two and actually I've been I told you about this, how much fun I've been having talking about love and kind of you know, unpacking everything that happened last year, but I want you to tell the listeners what it was like growing up with us.

Kelly, You're.

Kelly, You're.

You are one of the most unique people in the country.

You are one of the most unique people in the country.

Like you, you whin the.

Like you, you whin the.

You've topped the funnel at the top of people that come down into the bottom of greatness.

You've topped the funnel at the top of people that come down into the bottom of greatness.

You know, you're one of those people.

You know, you're one of those people.

I mean you You've funneled your way to the top, and you're just You've.

I mean you You've funneled your way to the top, and you're just You've.

Got all these unbelievable talents. You're so.

Got all these unbelievable talents. You're so.

Well spoken, and you're a hard worker, and you're a fighter, and all those things are amazing.

Well spoken, and you're a hard worker, and you're a fighter, and all those things are amazing.

So, I mean, you have so much talent growing up.

So, I mean, you have so much talent growing up.

Well, I think all three of us are like that, and I think it has a lot.

Well, I think all three of us are like that, and I think it has a lot.

To do with things that we had to do.

To do with things that we had to do.

You know, Dad was a lawyer, had a busy law practice, but we still.

You know, Dad was a lawyer, had a busy law practice, but we still.

All mowed the lawn every week. You know how to operate a lawn more.

All mowed the lawn every week. You know how to operate a lawn more.

I'm telling America, I'm telling the world on this whole podcast. You can operate a push mower because mom and Dad made you do it.

I'm telling America, I'm telling the world on this whole podcast. You can operate a push mower because mom and Dad made you do it.

And I just think it. I think it made you.

And I just think it. I think it made you.

I think it's made us all better people that we mowed the lawn, that we you know. Did you know when a when a car battery died, we didn't call the gas station. We jumped the damn battery with jumper cables.

I think it's made us all better people that we mowed the lawn, that we you know. Did you know when a when a car battery died, we didn't call the gas station. We jumped the damn battery with jumper cables.

Do you remember that, you me, Tracy, our older sister, Tracy, the three of us we did. But I always got I always when we when I move the lawn, you got to be on the tractor, you were, Tracy, But I always did the hand uh handheld because Mom wanted to be perfect in the backyard.

Do you remember that, you me, Tracy, our older sister, Tracy, the three of us we did. But I always got I always when we when I move the lawn, you got to be on the tractor, you were, Tracy, But I always did the hand uh handheld because Mom wanted to be perfect in the backyard.

We actually never used we actually never used that tractor because it was never worked.

We actually never used we actually never used that tractor because it was never worked.

But Ray, remember.

But Ray, remember.

It was a mindset that they were workers, first generation in college they had you know this is they didn't there was nowhere to go back to ask for a loan or to get money or to help out.

It was a mindset that they were workers, first generation in college they had you know this is they didn't there was nowhere to go back to ask for a loan or to get money or to help out.

It was them. Yeah, And so you know, it's just thinking about you.

It was them. Yeah, And so you know, it's just thinking about you.

You're just you just imby all those things that mom and dad work so hard, and you just watched them work and you just kept doing it.

You're just you just imby all those things that mom and dad work so hard, and you just watched them work and you just kept doing it.

And I'm proud of you. I love you so much. But you know, now we got to find you a mate. Let's work on that.

And I'm proud of you. I love you so much. But you know, now we got to find you a mate. Let's work on that.

What was it like where before we get in found me a mate? What was it like being my twins?

What was it like where before we get in found me a mate? What was it like being my twins?

I mean it was amazing.

I mean it was amazing.

It was amazing because Kelly, you know when you when we were growing up, you your your talent was just so apparent, and your desire to be successful, it was so apparent, and you know, it was just sort of breathtaking. Your rise into the modeling world was sort of meteoric. I mean when you know, mom and dad, so coming from a family with a lawyer, Dad had enough money to pay for you to get good pictures.

It was amazing because Kelly, you know when you when we were growing up, you your your talent was just so apparent, and your desire to be successful, it was so apparent, and you know, it was just sort of breathtaking. Your rise into the modeling world was sort of meteoric. I mean when you know, mom and dad, so coming from a family with a lawyer, Dad had enough money to pay for you to get good pictures.

Do you remember when you took my photos in the backyard for Team magazine? Remember you took those photos.

Do you remember when you took my photos in the backyard for Team magazine? Remember you took those photos.

I don't remember doing you took a picture of meat one time?

I don't remember doing you took a picture of meat one time?

I did.

I did.

I took those professional photos, got into the the magazines, and you got picked. And I remember being in the audience at some of the contests and you would see the other young ladies coming through and you were just, you know, clearly the class of all those groups, and you just would get picked and win contests and go to the next and get a contract.

I took those professional photos, got into the the magazines, and you got picked. And I remember being in the audience at some of the contests and you would see the other young ladies coming through and you were just, you know, clearly the class of all those groups, and you just would get picked and win contests and go to the next and get a contract.

You know what was interesting too, is like when people talk about being twins, and you know, people ask me about being a twin all the time, and you know, it's like we were siblings. I mean, we are. Yes, born in the same day, but we were siblings, and you know, it was fascinating because like having you with me, I was always I felt so confident, Like I was like, Tommy's there, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's right there. Like I never felt like I was by myself or I never felt like, you know, I have any reason to be intimidated because you know, we were in a lot of the same classes. We weren't in all the same classes, but we were in, you know, in a lot of the same classes. People ask me all the time, they're like, do you guys have telepathy? Do you think we have telepathy?

You know what was interesting too, is like when people talk about being twins, and you know, people ask me about being a twin all the time, and you know, it's like we were siblings. I mean, we are. Yes, born in the same day, but we were siblings, and you know, it was fascinating because like having you with me, I was always I felt so confident, Like I was like, Tommy's there, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's there, Oh, Tommy's right there. Like I never felt like I was by myself or I never felt like, you know, I have any reason to be intimidated because you know, we were in a lot of the same classes. We weren't in all the same classes, but we were in, you know, in a lot of the same classes. People ask me all the time, they're like, do you guys have telepathy? Do you think we have telepathy?

It's just the stupid ast a question on the plan. No, we don't have telepathy.

It's just the stupid ast a question on the plan. No, we don't have telepathy.

I mean it's not No, this isn't We're not like Siamese twins that were separated at birth, you know, and share the same organs. Now we're born on the same day, but we're brother and sister, Billy right exactly.

I mean it's not No, this isn't We're not like Siamese twins that were separated at birth, you know, and share the same organs. Now we're born on the same day, but we're brother and sister, Billy right exactly.

And it's like, I mean, you know, they talk about like nature and nurture, and we were you know, we have the same nature and we were also nurtured in the same environment. Yes, we can you know, fix anything, clean anything. You ask us to do anything, we can do anything.

And it's like, I mean, you know, they talk about like nature and nurture, and we were you know, we have the same nature and we were also nurtured in the same environment. Yes, we can you know, fix anything, clean anything. You ask us to do anything, we can do anything.

If your listeners are looking for that magic clean thing, you know, it's have to debunk it right now, because I mean, there are some things that have in common with your sister Tracy that I do with you, or you might. Tracy and I might be better at telepathy as some things than you and I are.

If your listeners are looking for that magic clean thing, you know, it's have to debunk it right now, because I mean, there are some things that have in common with your sister Tracy that I do with you, or you might. Tracy and I might be better at telepathy as some things than you and I are.

The two of you are lawyers. I'm not a lawyer.

The two of you are lawyers. I'm not a lawyer.

You're not shocker.

You're not shocker.

Okay. When I get married to my ex, I'm happy the best time, so happy to see you down. I love you so much. When I got married to my U now ex husband, what did you think about that? Did you ever think we would get divorced? Be honest, I mean we were too young.

Okay. When I get married to my ex, I'm happy the best time, so happy to see you down. I love you so much. When I got married to my U now ex husband, what did you think about that? Did you ever think we would get divorced? Be honest, I mean we were too young.

To really think about like that you would get divorced. But I mean we were all worried. I mean I think I was worried as just mom and dad and Tracy and others were worried that, you know, there was such an age gap between the two of you, and that was just something that just worried. Is like, is that going to Will that be successful? And you know, will that continue to you know, go forward? And I think I think the two of you had some good years together, but I just you know, he he just proved to be you know, I think there was some I think he loved you.

To really think about like that you would get divorced. But I mean we were all worried. I mean I think I was worried as just mom and dad and Tracy and others were worried that, you know, there was such an age gap between the two of you, and that was just something that just worried. Is like, is that going to Will that be successful? And you know, will that continue to you know, go forward? And I think I think the two of you had some good years together, but I just you know, he he just proved to be you know, I think there was some I think he loved you.

I think you loved him back, but it just proved to be that he wasn't going to go all in.

I think you loved him back, but it just proved to be that he wasn't going to go all in.

And and commit to being like uh that he was good.

And and commit to being like uh that he was good.

He would just lay down.

He would just lay down.

In front of a moving train for you or walk through a better broken glass for you. And I don't know if I don't think it has anything to do with you that you are great. I just think that that's a little bit of who he is. You know, it's been with many women before, and it's been with many sins.

In front of a moving train for you or walk through a better broken glass for you. And I don't know if I don't think it has anything to do with you that you are great. I just think that that's a little bit of who he is. You know, it's been with many women before, and it's been with many sins.

I think too, it's hard. I mean it must be hard for a lot of guys. I mean, obviously we don't come from divorce, so that's something as well. But I think it's really hard for a lot of men to fill to fill shoes in a better way than you and Dad, because you know, here I have this amazing twin brother Tommy, and then I have my incredible father. So I've been around such stellar humans that you know, I don't like It's not that, you know, I want a real relationship and you know, I've talked about this before, like I would like a relationship where I I there's my partner, there is my best friend, that we can do all these things together. And I think that, uh, you know, it's hard too because like I have such high expectations because I was around great people.

I think too, it's hard. I mean it must be hard for a lot of guys. I mean, obviously we don't come from divorce, so that's something as well. But I think it's really hard for a lot of men to fill to fill shoes in a better way than you and Dad, because you know, here I have this amazing twin brother Tommy, and then I have my incredible father. So I've been around such stellar humans that you know, I don't like It's not that, you know, I want a real relationship and you know, I've talked about this before, like I would like a relationship where I I there's my partner, there is my best friend, that we can do all these things together. And I think that, uh, you know, it's hard too because like I have such high expectations because I was around great people.

Yeah, but there are great people that you can be with, you know, I mean, and we all are imperfect and we make mistakes, so you know, I mean, and maybe your next your second.

Yeah, but there are great people that you can be with, you know, I mean, and we all are imperfect and we make mistakes, so you know, I mean, and maybe your next your second.

Marriage that you had. I know, you've never got formally marriage.

Marriage that you had. I know, you've never got formally marriage.

It's got last let's call it last second. Sounds like there's gonna be a third.

It's got last let's call it last second. Sounds like there's gonna be a third.

I don't know, but I mean you were with him for a long.

I don't know, but I mean you were with him for a long.

Time, like I don't know it's gonna be and.

Time, like I don't know it's gonna be and.

You were with him for ten or twelve years. I mean, that was a very lasting relationship. But it was just the most.

You were with him for ten or twelve years. I mean, that was a very lasting relationship. But it was just the most.

Disappointing I guess too, Like because like you and your wife, Mimi, you guys are so close and you're such a beautiful relationship, and I like, and I've told Mimi this before many times, I've said, like that's something that I want for myself as well, Like I want that great relationship and you know, it's like Mimi understands you, you know she and you know maybe also really understands me, and so like that's the thing too, is that again, It's like the expectations are just like hard.

Disappointing I guess too, Like because like you and your wife, Mimi, you guys are so close and you're such a beautiful relationship, and I like, and I've told Mimi this before many times, I've said, like that's something that I want for myself as well, Like I want that great relationship and you know, it's like Mimi understands you, you know she and you know maybe also really understands me, and so like that's the thing too, is that again, It's like the expectations are just like hard.

I don't think you're right. I mean, I can be inconsiderate.

I don't think you're right. I mean, I can be inconsiderate.

Dumb Assmi's the best of the best.

Dumb Assmi's the best of the best.

She's great. I love her. But I just wonder if you have this story.

She's great. I love her. But I just wonder if you have this story.

Book view of how everyone's relationships are. I mean, she's amazing. I wouldn't trade a minute of my life that I've heard, my time with her ever for anything on the planet.

Book view of how everyone's relationships are. I mean, she's amazing. I wouldn't trade a minute of my life that I've heard, my time with her ever for anything on the planet.

But I mean not there.

But I mean not there.

Are days when you know she would just like to close the door and maybe never see me, or at least not see me for another couple of minutes or days. And so, I mean, relationships are imperfect and hard. It requires work, and it requires kind of worst, you know, saying you're sorry. It's so freaking hard. The whole that you get gets harder to do. But that's the critical thing. It's just like, can I just dump you to admit that I was a dumbass and I was sorry? Yeah, that's hard. So I don't know, I'm not sure I agree with you. That there's this big storybook between the two of us. I think there are many great marriages.

Are days when you know she would just like to close the door and maybe never see me, or at least not see me for another couple of minutes or days. And so, I mean, relationships are imperfect and hard. It requires work, and it requires kind of worst, you know, saying you're sorry. It's so freaking hard. The whole that you get gets harder to do. But that's the critical thing. It's just like, can I just dump you to admit that I was a dumbass and I was sorry? Yeah, that's hard. So I don't know, I'm not sure I agree with you. That there's this big storybook between the two of us. I think there are many great marriages.

I just see you guys as such a as just like really, you know, it's like they always talk about that missing piece, which I think is very beautiful. But I don't thinking of it like that. I just think that you guys are so beautifully compatible and I love that. But you know what's interesting is that when I when I was thinking about getting divorced, before I even got divorced, and I, you know, spoke to mom about it and she was like not happy, And you know, you and Mimi were so supportive of my decision and not you were supportive of divorce, but you were supportive of my happiness. And I think that's something that's also very unusual too, to have that kind of very strong family bond, because most people like are jumping from their family, and all I want to do is be with my family. So I think that I think that, you know, at first, I was so I was ashamed because I was the first one to get married, and I was ashamed that I couldn't continue with something that I had made a commitment to. That's that's how I felt. But I never felt that from you guys, because maybe you knew it was happening.

I just see you guys as such a as just like really, you know, it's like they always talk about that missing piece, which I think is very beautiful. But I don't thinking of it like that. I just think that you guys are so beautifully compatible and I love that. But you know what's interesting is that when I when I was thinking about getting divorced, before I even got divorced, and I, you know, spoke to mom about it and she was like not happy, And you know, you and Mimi were so supportive of my decision and not you were supportive of divorce, but you were supportive of my happiness. And I think that's something that's also very unusual too, to have that kind of very strong family bond, because most people like are jumping from their family, and all I want to do is be with my family. So I think that I think that, you know, at first, I was so I was ashamed because I was the first one to get married, and I was ashamed that I couldn't continue with something that I had made a commitment to. That's that's how I felt. But I never felt that from you guys, because maybe you knew it was happening.

Oh no, I mean there's some things about him that I really liked, and you know, I mean he was very good to meet me, but I mean he was also just you know, and if your beautiful daughters are listening to this, this is not meant to be critical of your dad. It's just like some of the things that he wouldn't do for you from a career perspective, and some of the things he did to you from a personal perspective, or you.

Oh no, I mean there's some things about him that I really liked, and you know, I mean he was very good to meet me, but I mean he was also just you know, and if your beautiful daughters are listening to this, this is not meant to be critical of your dad. It's just like some of the things that he wouldn't do for you from a career perspective, and some of the things he did to you from a personal perspective, or you.

Know, just not okay, So anyway, we'll just leave it like that. But mine, Yeah, anyway.

Know, just not okay, So anyway, we'll just leave it like that. But mine, Yeah, anyway.

But so then your your next path was into your next relationship, which was you know, it's almost like you you went, you went from the older guy to the younger.

But so then your your next path was into your next relationship, which was you know, it's almost like you you went, you went from the older guy to the younger.

Guy, like you went the absolute opposite direction. Yeah, like you could. You went as polar opposite as humanly possible.

Guy, like you went the absolute opposite direction. Yeah, like you could. You went as polar opposite as humanly possible.

How do you think I navigated being a single mom? I'm really genuinely curious, and you can criticis, but just gently.

How do you think I navigated being a single mom? I'm really genuinely curious, and you can criticis, but just gently.

You were you know, you were a single mom when you were married to Jill. I mean, let's be honest, right, yes, yeh, So I mean these are basically your kids that you've raised from birth by yourself.

You were you know, you were a single mom when you were married to Jill. I mean, let's be honest, right, yes, yeh, So I mean these are basically your kids that you've raised from birth by yourself.

He was around some but not a lot.

He was around some but not a lot.

And I mean that's just an underappreciated thing that you did and also trying to also.

And I mean that's just an underappreciated thing that you did and also trying to also.

I think in the back of your mind you.

I think in the back of your mind you.

Must have known that you may not work out with him, and so you had to be prepared for the next step of your life, and you navigated that being ready for the next career step and then also raising the kids, which was hard. You know.

Must have known that you may not work out with him, and so you had to be prepared for the next step of your life, and you navigated that being ready for the next career step and then also raising the kids, which was hard. You know.

It's funny that you say that, because a lot of people when they when they're like, oh my god, like on Housewives, are like, oh my god, You've written seven bucks, You've done all these magazine and all that stuff. And I I respond to that by saying, if I had been in a loving marriage, do you think I would have had the time to write seven books and to start two magazines and to do all these things and to be modeling. If I was in a loving marriage, I would be focused on my husband, uh, not just you know, doing having this extra free time when my kids were at camp or school whatever to do these other things. And so I think too, you know, it's it's been Honestly, it's been very hard. Not personally but professionally to constantly tell people that, you know, I did it for the right reasons. And I again, I also had you and Dad there for the girls. So when we would come for Thanksgiving, when we would come for Christmas. I mean, you know, you're you're such a patriarch, and Dad was such a is also such a beautiful patriarch. That my girls, whether they did things that were really really great or really really naughty, you know, I think that like it was just it has been so nice for them to you know, be around be around you and that male. That male, the male in the in girls' lives is such an important, important human because it really shapes the narrative for them in the future of how they're going to work and love. You know, if they're you know, they choose to be with a male that you know, help what that relationship looks like. And so you know, I'm so happy, you know, I'm just so happy that they had that they had you and Dad. But what did you think about when I went on Housewives? What were your thoughts, remember, gentle, gentle, you know, gentle, I.

It's funny that you say that, because a lot of people when they when they're like, oh my god, like on Housewives, are like, oh my god, You've written seven bucks, You've done all these magazine and all that stuff. And I I respond to that by saying, if I had been in a loving marriage, do you think I would have had the time to write seven books and to start two magazines and to do all these things and to be modeling. If I was in a loving marriage, I would be focused on my husband, uh, not just you know, doing having this extra free time when my kids were at camp or school whatever to do these other things. And so I think too, you know, it's it's been Honestly, it's been very hard. Not personally but professionally to constantly tell people that, you know, I did it for the right reasons. And I again, I also had you and Dad there for the girls. So when we would come for Thanksgiving, when we would come for Christmas. I mean, you know, you're you're such a patriarch, and Dad was such a is also such a beautiful patriarch. That my girls, whether they did things that were really really great or really really naughty, you know, I think that like it was just it has been so nice for them to you know, be around be around you and that male. That male, the male in the in girls' lives is such an important, important human because it really shapes the narrative for them in the future of how they're going to work and love. You know, if they're you know, they choose to be with a male that you know, help what that relationship looks like. And so you know, I'm so happy, you know, I'm just so happy that they had that they had you and Dad. But what did you think about when I went on Housewives? What were your thoughts, remember, gentle, gentle, you know, gentle, I.

Thought it was amazing. You you know, you were great on it.

Thought it was amazing. You you know, you were great on it.

Your natural You're intelligenic and fun to be around, and I think it's wonderful.

Your natural You're intelligenic and fun to be around, and I think it's wonderful.

I'm waiting.

I'm waiting.

I'm just ready for the I'm waiting for the next step in your career past Housewives.

I'm just ready for the I'm waiting for the next step in your career past Housewives.

I think Housewives was the starting point for you, and you got more in you.

I think Housewives was the starting point for you, and you got more in you.

From that perspective, from whatever it is that video production or video show or any type of the type of medium. I think you're going to do something else. I think that's not the that's not the apex of your career. I think that's part of it, and there's going to be more and you've got a real talent and it's going to be great. So I loved it, and it was a little bit weird at the start because when Housewives was first on, it was very.

From that perspective, from whatever it is that video production or video show or any type of the type of medium. I think you're going to do something else. I think that's not the that's not the apex of your career. I think that's part of it, and there's going to be more and you've got a real talent and it's going to be great. So I loved it, and it was a little bit weird at the start because when Housewives was first on, it was very.

New and very popular and very controversial.

New and very popular and very controversial.

And I think one of the things why it got so popular is because it caught people in those.

And I think one of the things why it got so popular is because it caught people in those.

Awkward circumstances and you got caught for sure.

Awkward circumstances and you got caught for sure.

And now I just don't think it's just natural or and you know, now they infew.

And now I just don't think it's just natural or and you know, now they infew.

You know, there's alcohol is just in fee use at such a high level.

You know, there's alcohol is just in fee use at such a high level.

I feel like, you know, purposely, I feel like but I'm you know, I'm not there every day, so I don't want to criticize.

I feel like, you know, purposely, I feel like but I'm you know, I'm not there every day, so I don't want to criticize.

Too much, but I mean, do you think that do you think they saw the real meme? Uh?

Too much, but I mean, do you think that do you think they saw the real meme? Uh?

Somewhat. Not no, not all the time, but somewhat.

Somewhat. Not no, not all the time, but somewhat.

So it's funny that you say that because I sent I have my og group chat and I sent a photo because I'm always like, Happy Mother's Day, Happy Valentine's Day, Happy Tuesday, Happy Monday. How are you guys? YadA YadA. I saw this and I'm always responding to the group chat and it's always crickets, except for when I sent a photo of you. I said, it's my it's my my twin and I have a birthday today, like have no idea. They go, they go, I knew who's in the group giants like me, Luan, Sonya, Ramona, Jill, Drenda, and they go, they go, who said that? Luan goes, who's that chills are? And that's her twin brother And I can't remember what I think it was. Rona was like she has a twin, I'm like ladies leads and Luian goes, he's very tall, he's very handsome.

So it's funny that you say that because I sent I have my og group chat and I sent a photo because I'm always like, Happy Mother's Day, Happy Valentine's Day, Happy Tuesday, Happy Monday. How are you guys? YadA YadA. I saw this and I'm always responding to the group chat and it's always crickets, except for when I sent a photo of you. I said, it's my it's my my twin and I have a birthday today, like have no idea. They go, they go, I knew who's in the group giants like me, Luan, Sonya, Ramona, Jill, Drenda, and they go, they go, who said that? Luan goes, who's that chills are? And that's her twin brother And I can't remember what I think it was. Rona was like she has a twin, I'm like ladies leads and Luian goes, he's very tall, he's very handsome.

That's part of the problem with the show is it's not is not sickle. Oh good god, what.

That's part of the problem with the show is it's not is not sickle. Oh good god, what.

I called off my engagement last year? What were you shocked or what were your thoughts?

I called off my engagement last year? What were you shocked or what were your thoughts?

I mean not really.

I mean not really.

I just so like.

I just so like.

His your relationship with him was I felt like there's a lot of greatness in that, and there was.

His your relationship with him was I felt like there's a lot of greatness in that, and there was.

There was a lot of promise.

There was a lot of promise.

Because I like being around him and and he shares, you know, at some level, he shared a lot of the values that I think you do and I do, and Tracy and our family do, and so I was kind of I was somewhat optimistic, but there was just always a you know, a hesitance.

Because I like being around him and and he shares, you know, at some level, he shared a lot of the values that I think you do and I do, and Tracy and our family do, and so I was kind of I was somewhat optimistic, but there was just always a you know, a hesitance.

He is you know, is he going to be able? Is he going to be able to continue to you.

He is you know, is he going to be able? Is he going to be able to continue to you.

Know, move forward with the relationship as an adult and like as a responsible adult and not that he was you know, adulteressts or drinking.

Know, move forward with the relationship as an adult and like as a responsible adult and not that he was you know, adulteressts or drinking.

This is not I don't want to give your listeners that idea. That's not who he is.

This is not I don't want to give your listeners that idea. That's not who he is.

But you know, being a responsible adult is just doing things you don't want to do, which is like going to work every damn day and you know, producing for your family and you know, making sure there's a place for a roof over everyone's head that night. And I'm not trying to say he didn't work, because he worked, no question.

But you know, being a responsible adult is just doing things you don't want to do, which is like going to work every damn day and you know, producing for your family and you know, making sure there's a place for a roof over everyone's head that night. And I'm not trying to say he didn't work, because he worked, no question.

You know what's interesting. People are like when they see me on Instagram and I'm like, oh, I'm showing or I'm here, I'm there, and they're like, you don't really work like work? I work every day. But remember when I was you know, when we talked about the prenup, you know, you know you you were like, do you remember what you said to me about the prenup? Not really you said get it don't again?

You know what's interesting. People are like when they see me on Instagram and I'm like, oh, I'm showing or I'm here, I'm there, and they're like, you don't really work like work? I work every day. But remember when I was you know, when we talked about the prenup, you know, you know you you were like, do you remember what you said to me about the prenup? Not really you said get it don't again?

Yeah I probably did. Yeah, I mean I just why not?

Yeah I probably did. Yeah, I mean I just why not?

I mean, what, what's what's the hold up for you know, having an agreement in a relationship when you're you know, I'll just you know, spoiler alert post fifty for your.

I mean, what, what's what's the hold up for you know, having an agreement in a relationship when you're you know, I'll just you know, spoiler alert post fifty for your.

Listeners, it's shock her fifty.

Listeners, it's shock her fifty.

You're not supposed to say that.

You're not supposed to say that.

No spoiler alert if you.

No spoiler alert if you.

Just want to forty Tommy forty forty forty forty Yeah.

Just want to forty Tommy forty forty forty forty Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So anyway, like it sucks because he was you know, he had a lot to offer, and I feel like, you know, some of his family was you know, I never met his mom. His mom sounded like a great lady from what you from what you told me about her, and was bored to meeting her, and you know, he had a lot of he just has a lot of things going, great things going for him. He's got beautiful kids, and you know, he's going to figure it out for himself. It's just, you know, I just think deep down inside of it is just going to be hard for you were just worried about, you know, just that day in and day out grind of making your way through through life was something I think you were a little bit worried about. Not that there was anything imperfect about him, but like was it going to keep going? You know, was there going to be a sustainability to hit you know, his professional development?

So anyway, like it sucks because he was you know, he had a lot to offer, and I feel like, you know, some of his family was you know, I never met his mom. His mom sounded like a great lady from what you from what you told me about her, and was bored to meeting her, and you know, he had a lot of he just has a lot of things going, great things going for him. He's got beautiful kids, and you know, he's going to figure it out for himself. It's just, you know, I just think deep down inside of it is just going to be hard for you were just worried about, you know, just that day in and day out grind of making your way through through life was something I think you were a little bit worried about. Not that there was anything imperfect about him, but like was it going to keep going? You know, was there going to be a sustainability to hit you know, his professional development?

And you know, I.

And you know, I.

Think too that's probably a lot of it too, is from me and my insecurity and you know, constantly being in the environment where I'm always reinventing myself. And that's just been like a fear that I've had for so long, is like constantly rein in renting myself and constantly being the main provider. And that was big, that was a big problem. What is the what do you what do you think some of the patterns are it?

Think too that's probably a lot of it too, is from me and my insecurity and you know, constantly being in the environment where I'm always reinventing myself. And that's just been like a fear that I've had for so long, is like constantly rein in renting myself and constantly being the main provider. And that was big, that was a big problem. What is the what do you what do you think some of the patterns are it?

I get what you're You're you're sort of talking around in circles like.

I get what you're You're you're sort of talking around in circles like.

A circus ride. But I mean it is true. You're basically saying, is how am I going to support myself?

A circus ride. But I mean it is true. You're basically saying, is how am I going to support myself?

Yes? And without being yes, yes.

Yes? And without being yes, yes.

It's really hard and so you.

It's really hard and so you.

Know, continue not how am I? How am I going to continue to do that?

Know, continue not how am I? How am I going to continue to do that?

Right? Important?

Right? Important?

Yeah? So what kind of pattern to me? What tell me? What are the patterns? What do you see in my patterns? Is it my Is it that I'm super immature? You can say yes, No, I really don't think so.

Yeah? So what kind of pattern to me? What tell me? What are the patterns? What do you see in my patterns? Is it my Is it that I'm super immature? You can say yes, No, I really don't think so.

I mean, I really like you've had some of your relationships. I mean, but I just, you know, like picking your second long term relationship that was just a disastrous choice, and you that just played into yours, that played it and sort of played into the what you always told me about Jill's like I want to just be able to I want to be with somebody that will take me ice skating at Rockefeller PASA and do things like that. So I felt like you thought that like marriage, and you got married, you know, pretty young. Marriage should have been a little bit more romantic in storybook, and you.

I mean, I really like you've had some of your relationships. I mean, but I just, you know, like picking your second long term relationship that was just a disastrous choice, and you that just played into yours, that played it and sort of played into the what you always told me about Jill's like I want to just be able to I want to be with somebody that will take me ice skating at Rockefeller PASA and do things like that. So I felt like you thought that like marriage, and you got married, you know, pretty young. Marriage should have been a little bit more romantic in storybook, and you.

Know, I think there are moments like that.

Know, I think there are moments like that.

But then I think you just were like, Okay, I'm not married to Jilliemore, So I'm going to find the storybook playing and you did.

But then I think you just were like, Okay, I'm not married to Jilliemore, So I'm going to find the storybook playing and you did.

Anyway, move into the next thing, Tommy, what do you think of What do you think of Pascal?

Anyway, move into the next thing, Tommy, what do you think of What do you think of Pascal?

I mean, I listened to a little bit of Pascal. I think he sounded just like Jill, which was just yucky.

I mean, I listened to a little bit of Pascal. I think he sounded just like Jill, which was just yucky.

So that just no good, he asked me.

So that just no good, he asked me.

He goes, so, he's like, what would you do on our first date? And I said, in like in jest, and I said, I would take you to the my Eiger Triangle to Gibson's to see my Playboy cover. And he goes, what I said, I'm from rock Ford, Illinois, and Gibson's is one of the most iconic restaurants in Chicago, and I am so proud that they actually wanted my Playboy cover. And I'm like, I would take you there to show off the cover. And he was so wildly offended.

He goes, so, he's like, what would you do on our first date? And I said, in like in jest, and I said, I would take you to the my Eiger Triangle to Gibson's to see my Playboy cover. And he goes, what I said, I'm from rock Ford, Illinois, and Gibson's is one of the most iconic restaurants in Chicago, and I am so proud that they actually wanted my Playboy cover. And I'm like, I would take you there to show off the cover. And he was so wildly offended.

Why would you say that?

Why would you say that?

Though it's funny, because it's funny obviously doing that, but that was so funny, and I wanted to see what he would say.

Though it's funny, because it's funny obviously doing that, but that was so funny, and I wanted to see what he would say.

Sorry, Ummy, why would you say that?

Sorry, Ummy, why would you say that?

That's just off putting, That's bizarre. Don't say that. Okay, here's listeners join in and call in text and.

That's just off putting, That's bizarre. Don't say that. Okay, here's listeners join in and call in text and.

Again that's ridiculous, all right, keep going with your weirdness.

Again that's ridiculous, all right, keep going with your weirdness.

So what kind of guy? So, anyway, to make a long story longer, Pascal we ended up seeing I ended up seeing meeting with him when we were in San Francisco and Napa Valley and he was very, very very nice, and so I said to him, I was like, what kind of what kind of hair dresser would uice to see? How do you know what kind of hairdresser? Juice do you see yourself like? And he said, orbe like's the most iconic characters in the world.

So what kind of guy? So, anyway, to make a long story longer, Pascal we ended up seeing I ended up seeing meeting with him when we were in San Francisco and Napa Valley and he was very, very very nice, and so I said to him, I was like, what kind of what kind of hair dresser would uice to see? How do you know what kind of hairdresser? Juice do you see yourself like? And he said, orbe like's the most iconic characters in the world.

You're losing me here.

You're losing me here.

This is very sweet.

This is very sweet.

It was very very sweet, very sweet, very very sweet, very accomplished, very accomplished.

It was very very sweet, very sweet, very very sweet, very accomplished, very accomplished.

That's awesome. But you ruined that one. Why did you ruin that?

That's awesome. But you ruined that one. Why did you ruin that?

What prescal thing about?

What prescal thing about?

Boy?

Boy?

Because I was having fun?

Because I was having fun?

That is dumb, though.

That is dumb, though.

People don't want to hear that about the viagrate triangle.

People don't want to hear that about the viagrate triangle.

That's just.

That's just.

I loved it.

I loved it.

No, No, that is a disaster. That is going to be.

No, No, that is a disaster. That is going to be.

Time is going to be like the group chat with my date and be like, she didn't mean it like that.

Time is going to be like the group chat with my date and be like, she didn't mean it like that.

I just wish that the listeners could check chat in right now to support me so that you could get other realization of how bizarre that is.

I just wish that the listeners could check chat in right now to support me so that you could get other realization of how bizarre that is.

All right?

All right?

What kind of guy do you think I tend to attract or date? Is there like a type or is there a personality trait that you think that I attract or that I like?

What kind of guy do you think I tend to attract or date? Is there like a type or is there a personality trait that you think that I attract or that I like?

I don't think so, I mean, I don't There was the one guy you dated from North Carolina for a long time that was very successful, but he was noncommittal. I think you're looking for to accomplished people. That's a good word. I think you are. And all those people that everybody you've dated, except for the one guy pretty accomplished that just you know, the question was some of is that going to be sustainable?

I don't think so, I mean, I don't There was the one guy you dated from North Carolina for a long time that was very successful, but he was noncommittal. I think you're looking for to accomplished people. That's a good word. I think you are. And all those people that everybody you've dated, except for the one guy pretty accomplished that just you know, the question was some of is that going to be sustainable?

Is that going to keep going? And so I think you're looking for that. I think that's your trait.

Is that going to keep going? And so I think you're looking for that. I think that's your trait.

You had that one twelve year blip with the guy with the white jeans and the flip flops.

You had that one twelve year blip with the guy with the white jeans and the flip flops.

But other than that, what kind of guy?

But other than that, what kind of guy?

What kind of guys should they date?

What kind of guys should they date?

I think you should date someone who's honest with you and themselves. You know what they want in their life and what you want from your life, and and they're honest about it, and you know that they know who they are, and they understand who you are and that you can coexist together understanding that you know, there are things that are important to you, so those things have to continue. You want to continue doing your lifestyle and continue to improve and be better every day at what you're doing.

I think you should date someone who's honest with you and themselves. You know what they want in their life and what you want from your life, and and they're honest about it, and you know that they know who they are, and they understand who you are and that you can coexist together understanding that you know, there are things that are important to you, so those things have to continue. You want to continue doing your lifestyle and continue to improve and be better every day at what you're doing.

It's just who you are. You're not going to stop doing that.

It's just who you are. You're not going to stop doing that.

Or whoever it is has to has to understand that, and then you probably have to understand.

Or whoever it is has to has to understand that, and then you probably have to understand.

It for them too. But I think you, I really did think you would.

It for them too. But I think you, I really did think you would.

I mean if you had the professional person and the accomplished person, and you know, I don't want your listeners to think that you're out looking for mister wealthy. And it's not that I don't think it didn't work out with your engagement because you were afraid that he wasn't going to be.

I mean if you had the professional person and the accomplished person, and you know, I don't want your listeners to think that you're out looking for mister wealthy. And it's not that I don't think it didn't work out with your engagement because you were afraid that he wasn't going to be.

You know, mister Silicon Valley eye.

You know, mister Silicon Valley eye.

But I mean, you're just looking for someone that's going to have stability and professional growth and looking for growth as a person as an individual, like and setting goals together, someone that's honest, So like setting lifetime goals.

But I mean, you're just looking for someone that's going to have stability and professional growth and looking for growth as a person as an individual, like and setting goals together, someone that's honest, So like setting lifetime goals.

I want to I want to be.

I want to I want to be.

Here with you in five or ten years, you know maybe, and I talk about it this is this is kind of where do we want to be in ten years?

Here with you in five or ten years, you know maybe, and I talk about it this is this is kind of where do we want to be in ten years?

Where do I want to be with you? What do we want to do? Where do we want to live?

Where do I want to be with you? What do we want to do? Where do we want to live?

You know, it's interesting because like that's what I do with seeing Teddy is I talk to them about like what you know, in five years, what their plans are, and like, you know, how I can help them. And you know, we always talk together, but I've never had that conversation with anyone. I've never asked anyone what they were going to do or what, you know, what they wanted to do. I mean with the girls, you know sees like you know, mommy, now every now that I had this great job and I'm feeling good about my you know, financial success. You know, I once a year I wanted, I want us to go on a great trip with Teddy and you know, for us to do these kind of things, and like, I mean it's just I like, I've never heard that from anyone. So it's also for me. It's just so amazing to you know, think of my think of my daughters in that way. But I also want them to you know, have their own lives and to you know, be the best versions of themselves. And I just want, you know, I want to be there and watch every part of it. But I've never never had that, never sent someone like, Okay, in five years, we're going to go We're going to be in flore you know, whatever it is, like Florida or I know, Texas, wherever it is, Puerto Rico, wherever. No one's ever ever had that conversation with me, well, whoever asked me. I've ever even said, like what are your thoughts? Like what do you what are the what are your like lifetime goals or like even that any of those kind of questions, I've never I've never even kind of I never even thought of those.

You know, it's interesting because like that's what I do with seeing Teddy is I talk to them about like what you know, in five years, what their plans are, and like, you know, how I can help them. And you know, we always talk together, but I've never had that conversation with anyone. I've never asked anyone what they were going to do or what, you know, what they wanted to do. I mean with the girls, you know sees like you know, mommy, now every now that I had this great job and I'm feeling good about my you know, financial success. You know, I once a year I wanted, I want us to go on a great trip with Teddy and you know, for us to do these kind of things, and like, I mean it's just I like, I've never heard that from anyone. So it's also for me. It's just so amazing to you know, think of my think of my daughters in that way. But I also want them to you know, have their own lives and to you know, be the best versions of themselves. And I just want, you know, I want to be there and watch every part of it. But I've never never had that, never sent someone like, Okay, in five years, we're going to go We're going to be in flore you know, whatever it is, like Florida or I know, Texas, wherever it is, Puerto Rico, wherever. No one's ever ever had that conversation with me, well, whoever asked me. I've ever even said, like what are your thoughts? Like what do you what are the what are your like lifetime goals or like even that any of those kind of questions, I've never I've never even kind of I never even thought of those.

It should it should be a natural conversation that just involves with the person and with your breakup. You know. The unfortunate thing about him is that he's not his and that might be part of the reason for that breakup. Is like his kids are so much younger than your kids. He has one child that's still in elementary school and two other kids that are not even to college yet.

It should it should be a natural conversation that just involves with the person and with your breakup. You know. The unfortunate thing about him is that he's not his and that might be part of the reason for that breakup. Is like his kids are so much younger than your kids. He has one child that's still in elementary school and two other kids that are not even to college yet.

So his life is completely unavailable.

So his life is completely unavailable.

He can't well, I mean I felt like he was available as much as he could, but I mean I almost felt like when he was with me, with.

He can't well, I mean I felt like he was available as much as he could, but I mean I almost felt like when he was with me, with.

Us, or like if he was at a holiday or whatever.

Us, or like if he was at a holiday or whatever.

It felt a little guilty to me that he wasn't with his other kids, because I think his other kids are amazing.

It felt a little guilty to me that he wasn't with his other kids, because I think his other kids are amazing.

They're great kids, you know.

They're great kids, you know.

That was That's a loss for me, is those kids not being able to see them because I just thought they were impressive. And he's a good dad that way, and love those kids. So but the problem coming back, I'm doing my circle.

That was That's a loss for me, is those kids not being able to see them because I just thought they were impressive. And he's a good dad that way, and love those kids. So but the problem coming back, I'm doing my circle.

Like you did.

Like you did.

Is the point is maybe he wasn't ready to talk about those long term goals because he couldn't see past getting kids through high school.

Is the point is maybe he wasn't ready to talk about those long term goals because he couldn't see past getting kids through high school.

Really, so we need.

Really, so we need.

To find somebody that's honest with themselves and honest with you and you know, can see can see a future like where we're going to go?

To find somebody that's honest with themselves and honest with you and you know, can see can see a future like where we're going to go?

What are we going to do?

What are we going to do?

And it doesn't have to be like are we going to move somewhere else, but like what do we want to you know, do we want to take Like should we plan a trip next year? Should we you know, do we want to what do we want to do for our holidays?

And it doesn't have to be like are we going to move somewhere else, but like what do we want to you know, do we want to take Like should we plan a trip next year? Should we you know, do we want to what do we want to do for our holidays?

You know?

You know?

You know what's interesting is that like when I said to him, you know, when we were talking, you know, because I've never never been on a honeymoon, and so I said, you know, because we're, you know, taking off to get married. I said, why don't we take all the kids to Disneyland for our for our basic for our honeymoon. And he kind of looked at me. It's crazy. But I wanted to do something for us, like all of us. I didn't want to just do something that was like him and I just going off and going on a trip and coming back and being like, Okay, I want to do something that would like really was like family building. That's no, I know, but I've never been on a honeymoon. I don't even know what honeymoon's life.

You know what's interesting is that like when I said to him, you know, when we were talking, you know, because I've never never been on a honeymoon, and so I said, you know, because we're, you know, taking off to get married. I said, why don't we take all the kids to Disneyland for our for our basic for our honeymoon. And he kind of looked at me. It's crazy. But I wanted to do something for us, like all of us. I didn't want to just do something that was like him and I just going off and going on a trip and coming back and being like, Okay, I want to do something that would like really was like family building. That's no, I know, but I've never been on a honeymoon. I don't even know what honeymoon's life.

Honeymoon is simple. You go away and kind of a week with your new bride and then you come home or a husband.

Honeymoon is simple. You go away and kind of a week with your new bride and then you come home or a husband.

I mean, what do you mean, Well, I never did that, So I mean, if you don't remember, I got married and then my ex husband went off and I don't know if he went to like fashion Week or something.

I mean, what do you mean, Well, I never did that, So I mean, if you don't remember, I got married and then my ex husband went off and I don't know if he went to like fashion Week or something.

I don't remember that.

I don't remember that.

But Kelly Tommy, do you think I should get married again? No?

But Kelly Tommy, do you think I should get married again? No?

Wait, I forgot about that.

Wait, I forgot about that.

I forgot about that about him going to fashion week, And that is horrible.

I forgot about that about him going to fashion week, And that is horrible.

How do you not you know, have a honeymoon, even if it's a couple of days.

How do you not you know, have a honeymoon, even if it's a couple of days.

I never we went. I never went on hoymoon.

I never we went. I never went on hoymoon.

Well, and that's just part of the reason why. That was just you know, there was a lot of things that were just not going to be successful there that, you know, I.

Well, and that's just part of the reason why. That was just you know, there was a lot of things that were just not going to be successful there that, you know, I.

Mean, the fact that that was not a consideration for him is hard.

Mean, the fact that that was not a consideration for him is hard.

That's really hard.

That's really hard.

And that's just I'm getting emotional thinking about it.

And that's just I'm getting emotional thinking about it.

Kelly. I'm just so sorry. That is interesting a broken part of your life.

Kelly. I'm just so sorry. That is interesting a broken part of your life.

I mean, I honestly feel like and maybe this is like maybe just like talking to you about this is maybe like maybe having me come to a realization that you know, like I I didn't have to you know, you or my twin brother, I didn't have to take care of you. You took care of yourself and we did things together. But I always felt that I always, like with Jille, I always had to take care of him. I always had to organize everything. I had to like you know, when he came back, I had to make sure that like you know, he had like you know, a place, a good place to live and a place to do things, and you know, there was an environment for him that he you know, he had friends, and I was always taking care of him, and that obviously taking care of my girls. And just some people are nurtures and some people are I happened to be a nurturer. I happened to love making sure that people are healthy and happy and successful. It's just like part of.

I mean, I honestly feel like and maybe this is like maybe just like talking to you about this is maybe like maybe having me come to a realization that you know, like I I didn't have to you know, you or my twin brother, I didn't have to take care of you. You took care of yourself and we did things together. But I always felt that I always, like with Jille, I always had to take care of him. I always had to organize everything. I had to like you know, when he came back, I had to make sure that like you know, he had like you know, a place, a good place to live and a place to do things, and you know, there was an environment for him that he you know, he had friends, and I was always taking care of him, and that obviously taking care of my girls. And just some people are nurtures and some people are I happened to be a nurturer. I happened to love making sure that people are healthy and happy and successful. It's just like part of.

Who I am.

Who I am.

But I realized because when I started this whole process, I said to my producer, I was like, I'd love to do this podcast, but I'm not going to do it if I don't go through therapy. And so I started, you know, I was doing I was going through therapy and being on the podcast at the same time. And one thing that I realized is that I don't want to be in a relationship where I'm nurturing the other person because that just puts me again. I'm off, I'm always on my back foot. I'm always like how do I how do I? How do I take care of things? How do I organize things? How do I? And I just don't want that in the next chapter of my life. I want to I just want to feel like I'm in a hug. I just want to like come home and be like, oh, I don't want to be. You know, it's like I've always been I'm gonna start crying, but I've always felt so alone.

But I realized because when I started this whole process, I said to my producer, I was like, I'd love to do this podcast, but I'm not going to do it if I don't go through therapy. And so I started, you know, I was doing I was going through therapy and being on the podcast at the same time. And one thing that I realized is that I don't want to be in a relationship where I'm nurturing the other person because that just puts me again. I'm off, I'm always on my back foot. I'm always like how do I how do I? How do I take care of things? How do I organize things? How do I? And I just don't want that in the next chapter of my life. I want to I just want to feel like I'm in a hug. I just want to like come home and be like, oh, I don't want to be. You know, it's like I've always been I'm gonna start crying, but I've always felt so alone.

And you're not alone, Keilly.

And you're not alone, Keilly.

I know you are people that love me, including me, I know, kids in your kids.

I know you are people that love me, including me, I know, kids in your kids.

But.

But.

Thank you you're so let's go back to the answer to the original question, which is should you get married again? And you were kind of asking it in a funny way, and absolutely, one hundred percent you should get married again. Now, you're a therapist who is probably some New York crack pot will probably say that's wrong, but I don't really care.

Thank you you're so let's go back to the answer to the original question, which is should you get married again? And you were kind of asking it in a funny way, and absolutely, one hundred percent you should get married again. Now, you're a therapist who is probably some New York crack pot will probably say that's wrong, but I don't really care.

No, she actually said you should get married for the first time, is what she said.

No, she actually said you should get married for the first time, is what she said.

Okay, well, you.

Okay, well, you.

Know, I mean I'm a lawyer, so I don't know about this stuff, but you know, but I mean, it just seems like to me that having a mate is really important, you know.

Know, I mean I'm a lawyer, so I don't know about this stuff, but you know, but I mean, it just seems like to me that having a mate is really important, you know.

And I was some we were having I was having a conversation with me.

And I was some we were having I was having a conversation with me.

About like there are people that have gotten that that have been widowed or you know, and and or older, and they're like, oh, I'm not gonna get why would I get married again?

About like there are people that have gotten that that have been widowed or you know, and and or older, and they're like, oh, I'm not gonna get why would I get married again?

You know, I don't want to get married again.

You know, I don't want to get married again.

It just I think to myself and maybe I'm a dumb asset, but I'm like, why wouldn't you want to get married again? Why do you not want to have that person that cares for you every day that you can count on that you've got that text from or that call from or like it's what We're going to do something together and it's going to be good.