Dr Jeff Smalldon on Charles Manson’s control, murderers’ mindsets, earning serial killer trust, and Ted Bundy’s message.

How did Charles Manson convince multiple people to murder nine innocent victims?

In this episode of I Catch Killers, forensic psychologist Dr Jeff Smalldon recounts his dealings with Manson and the women devoted to him, and reveals how they tried to recruit him. Jeff also reveals what he's learnt about the mindset of murderers, the secret to gaining the trust of a serial killer, and the chilling three word message Ted Bundy sent him.

How did Charles Manson convince multiple people to murder nine innocent victims?
In this episode of I Catch Killers, forensic psychologist Dr Jeff Smalldon recounts his dealings with Manson and the women devoted to him, and reveals how they tried to recruit him. Jeff also reveals what he's learnt about the mindset of murderers, the secret to gaining the trust of a serial killer, and the chilling three word message Ted Bundy sent him.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;
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After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.

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After 25 years working homicide, former Detective Gary Jubelin is sitting across the interview room table from cops, crims, and victims.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;

Gaining the trust of a serial killer: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt. 2

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Ashton Kline shares how he lost his mother to family violence at 15, his promise to protect his brother Grant, and his path to healing with Gary Jubelin.

After Ashton Kline's mother Viola was murdered by his dad after decades of abuse, he faced a choice "Do I let it destroy me?"

In Part 2, Ashton sits down with Gary to share what came after, the unbreakable bond with his younger brother Grant, being taken into foster care with their belongings in a garbage bag, and going from family to family.

Ashton talks about the red flags that were missed in the build-up, learning to carry trauma rather than be defined by it, building a toolkit for recovery, and why he and Grant chose not just to survive, but to thrive.

For Ashton, it's about carrying his mum's memory forward, so her loss is not in vain, and using their story to help others understand the impact of domestic violence and homicide. 

Find out more about The Alannah & Madeline Foundation Buddy Bag program here.

Find out more about What Ally Needs Now, a children's book created by Ashton and researchers at The University of Melbourne to help children navigate grief after fatal family violence here.

If you or someone you know has experienced domestic, family or sexual violence, you can call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800respect.org.au for online chat and video call services.

You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here. 

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After Ashton Kline's mother Viola was murdered by his dad after decades of abuse, he faced a choice "Do I let it destroy me?"
In Part 2, Ashton sits down with Gary to share what came after, the unbreakable bond with his younger brother Grant, being taken into foster care with their belongings in a garbage bag, and going from family to family.
Ashton talks about the red flags that were missed in the build-up, learning to carry trauma rather than be defined by it, building a toolkit for recovery, and why he and Grant chose not just to survive, but to thrive.
For Ashton, it's about carrying his mum's memory forward, so her loss is not in vain, and using their story to help others understand the impact of domestic violence and homicide.&nbsp;
Find out more about <a href="https://www.alannahandmadeline.org.au/what-we-do/care-programs/buddy-bags">The Alannah &amp; Madeline Foundation Buddy Bag program here</a>.
Find out more about What Ally Needs Now, a children's book created by Ashton and researchers at The University of Melbourne to help children navigate grief after fatal family violence <a href="https://outcomes.org.au/order-the-book/?prev_bc=66353">here</a>.
If you or someone you know has experienced domestic, family or sexual violence, you can call 1800RESPECT on <a href="tel:1800737732">1800 737 732,</a>&nbsp;text <a href="sms:+61458737732?&amp;body=HELLO">0458 737 732</a> or visit <a href="https://1800respect.org.au/">1800respect.org.au</a> for online chat and video call services.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ICatchKillers-Podcast">You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here.&nbsp;</a>
Follow I Catch Killers: Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en"> @icatchkillers </a>Tiktok:<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast"> @icatchkillerspodcast </a>Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/icatchkillers/"> @icatchkillers</a>

Surviving the aftermath of his mum's murder: Ashton Kline Pt. 2

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Ashton Kline shares with Gary Jubelin the harrowing story of his mother's murder at 15, becoming his brother's guardian overnight, and finding purpose through survival and brotherhood.

When Ashton Kline was 15, his mother Viola was murdered by his father. 

Ashton sits down with Gary Jubelin to share what led up to that day on the 27th of September, 2000, growing up walking on eggshells, the brief nine months of peace after his father left, and how in a single afternoon he had to step into an adult role to look after his chronically ill six year old brother Grant.

He talks about the promise he made to his mum: "No matter what, I will always look after Grant". Building his own toolkit for recovery from trauma, and why sharing their story now gives purpose to his mum's loss.

This is Ashton's story of survival, brotherhood, and responsibility beyond his years.

Find out more about The Alannah & Madeline Foundation here.

Find out more about What Ally Needs Now, a children's book created by Ashton and researchers at The University of Melbourne to help children navigate grief after fatal family violence here.

If you or someone you know has experienced domestic, family or sexual violence, you can call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732, text 0458 737 732 or visit 1800respect.org.au for online chat and video call services.

You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here. 

Follow I Catch Killers:
Instagram: @icatchkillers
Tiktok: @icatchkillerspodcast
Facebook: @icatchkillers

When Ashton Kline was 15, his mother Viola was murdered by his father.&nbsp;
Ashton sits down with Gary Jubelin to share what led up to that day on the 27th of September, 2000, growing up walking on eggshells, the brief nine months of peace after his father left, and how in a single afternoon he had to step into an adult role to look after his chronically ill six year old brother Grant.
He talks about the promise he made to his mum: "No matter what, I will always look after Grant". Building his own toolkit for recovery from trauma, and why sharing their story now gives purpose to his mum's loss.
This is Ashton's story of survival, brotherhood, and responsibility beyond his years.
Find out more about&nbsp;<a href="https://www.alannahandmadeline.org.au/">The Alannah &amp; Madeline Foundation here.</a>
Find out more about What Ally Needs Now, a children's book created by Ashton and researchers at The University of Melbourne to help children navigate grief after fatal family violence&nbsp;<a href="https://outcomes.org.au/order-the-book/?prev_bc=66353">here</a>.
If you or someone you know has experienced domestic, family or sexual violence, you can call 1800RESPECT on <a href="tel:1800737732">1800 737 732,</a>&nbsp;text <a href="sms:+61458737732?&amp;body=HELLO">0458 737 732</a> or visit <a href="https://1800respect.org.au/">1800respect.org.au</a> for online chat and video call services.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ICatchKillers-Podcast">You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here.&nbsp;</a>
Follow I Catch Killers: Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en"> @icatchkillers </a>Tiktok:<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast"> @icatchkillerspodcast </a>Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/icatchkillers/"> @icatchkillers</a>

The day my dad killed my mum: Ashton Kline Pt. 1

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Tim Smith's final border run ends in capture, 36 charges and up to 113 years, but prison's real cost was learning his mum had died and been buried without him.

The $100K-a-day runs are over.In Part 2, former helicopter pilot Tim Smith sits down with Gary Jubelin for what happened after the ground crew came under investigation and led straight to him.

Tim breaks down his final border run, clearing the trees by two feet at 100 miles an hour, not realising he’d been spotted from above and the moment on landing: “Mr. Smith, we’ve been waiting for you for quite a while. Welcome to the United States.”

From there the fall is fast: told he was facing a minimum of 87 years and a maximum of 113 years, hit with 36 counts, and a first night in US custody he describes as sheer terror.

And the real cost wasn’t the sentence. While locked up, Tim learns his mum had been dead two weeks and already buried, then gets the news about his brother David

You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here. 

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The $100K-a-day runs are over.In Part 2, former helicopter pilot Tim Smith sits down with Gary Jubelin for what happened after the ground crew came under investigation and led straight to him.
Tim breaks down his final border run, clearing the trees by two feet at 100 miles an hour, not realising he&rsquo;d been spotted from above and the moment on landing: &ldquo;Mr. Smith, we&rsquo;ve been waiting for you for quite a while. Welcome to the United States.&rdquo;
From there the fall is fast: told he was facing a minimum of 87 years and a maximum of 113 years, hit with 36 counts, and a first night in US custody he describes as sheer terror.
And the real cost wasn&rsquo;t the sentence. While locked up, Tim learns his mum had been dead two weeks and already buried, then gets the news about his brother David
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ICatchKillers-Podcast">You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here.&nbsp;</a>
Follow I Catch Killers: Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en"> @icatchkillers </a>Tiktok:<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast"> @icatchkillerspodcast </a>Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/icatchkillers/"> @icatchkillers</a>

US federal prison, the final drug run & the price of freedom: Tim Smith Pt. 2

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Gaining the trust of a serial killer: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt. 2

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