Dr Jeff Smalldon on Charles Manson’s control, murderers’ mindsets, earning serial killer trust, and Ted Bundy’s message.

How did Charles Manson convince multiple people to murder nine innocent victims?

In this episode of I Catch Killers, forensic psychologist Dr Jeff Smalldon recounts his dealings with Manson and the women devoted to him, and reveals how they tried to recruit him. Jeff also reveals what he's learnt about the mindset of murderers, the secret to gaining the trust of a serial killer, and the chilling three word message Ted Bundy sent him.

How did Charles Manson convince multiple people to murder nine innocent victims?
In this episode of I Catch Killers, forensic psychologist Dr Jeff Smalldon recounts his dealings with Manson and the women devoted to him, and reveals how they tried to recruit him. Jeff also reveals what he's learnt about the mindset of murderers, the secret to gaining the trust of a serial killer, and the chilling three word message Ted Bundy sent him.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;
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After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.

I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin

After 25 years working homicide, former Detective Gary Jubelin is sitting across the interview room table from cops, crims, and victims.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;

Gaining the trust of a serial killer: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt. 2

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Forensic psychologist Dr Jeff Smalldon on letters from serial killers Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy, psychopathy and death row survival.

Imagine opening your letterbox to a letter from Ted Bundy or a handmade Christmas card from John Wayne Gacy. Forensic psychologist, Dr Jeffrey Smalldon, doesn't have to imagine. He's communicated with some of the most notorious serial killers in American history.

In this episode, Gary and Jeff unpack Gacy’s charm and lures, how predators pass as “normal”, the double homicide that changed Jeff’s life, and what decades evaluating murderers reveal about psychopathy, empathy, and survival on death row.

Imagine opening your letterbox to a letter from Ted Bundy or a handmade Christmas card from John Wayne Gacy. Forensic psychologist, Dr Jeffrey Smalldon, doesn't have to imagine. He's communicated with some of the most notorious serial killers in American history.
In this episode, Gary and Jeff unpack Gacy&rsquo;s charm and lures, how predators pass as &ldquo;normal&rdquo;, the double homicide that changed Jeff&rsquo;s life, and what decades evaluating murderers reveal about psychopathy, empathy, and survival on death row.

Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

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Former sovereign citizen Brodie Finegan Forbes tells Gary Jubelin how he escaped the movement, and what he's learnt since.

When his community started making their own weapons and scheming to kill cops, Brodie Finegan Forbes knew it was time to leave the sovereign citizen movement. Scared, alone, and homeless, he did the worst thing a sovcit can do - he went to the police. 

In part two of his chat with Gary, Brodie takes us inside his journey of escaping the sovereign citizen movement, and shares what he’s learnt since. 

When his community started making their own weapons and scheming to kill cops, Brodie Finegan Forbes knew it was time to leave the sovereign citizen movement. Scared, alone, and homeless, he did the worst thing a sovcit can do - he went to the police.&nbsp;
In part two of his chat with Gary, Brodie takes us inside his journey of escaping the sovereign citizen movement, and shares what he&rsquo;s learnt since.&nbsp;

Escaping the sovereign citizen movement: Brodie Finegan Forbes Pt. 2

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Ex-sovereign citizen Brodie Forbes joins Gary to reveal the "pseudo-legal cult" tactics, online echo chambers, and the lure of anti-authority life.

At 21, Brodie Finegan Forbes found himself in the centre of the sovereign citizen movement, which he calls a ‘decentralised, pseudo-legal cult’.

The combination of a troubled childhood, loss of his burgeoning music career, and societal and psychological pressures led him to 24-hour Zoom ‘echo chambers’ where he learned how to challenge authority, take on judges, and terrorise people with paperwork. He was part of a ‘chosen few’ who had figured out a ‘secret’. At least that's what he thought...

In this episode, Gary chats with Brodie about the lure of the sovereign citizen movement, how he ended up living in a remote Victorian compound, and the bizarre tactics used by the movement to manipulate the law and avoid accountability.

At 21, Brodie Finegan Forbes found himself in the centre of the sovereign citizen movement, which he calls a &lsquo;decentralised, pseudo-legal cult&rsquo;.
The combination of a troubled childhood, loss of his burgeoning music career, and societal and psychological pressures led him to 24-hour Zoom &lsquo;echo chambers&rsquo; where he learned how to challenge authority, take on judges, and terrorise people with paperwork. He was part of a &lsquo;chosen few&rsquo; who had figured out a &lsquo;secret&rsquo;. At least that's what he thought...
In this episode, Gary chats with Brodie about the lure of the sovereign citizen movement, how he ended up living in a remote Victorian compound, and the bizarre tactics used by the movement to manipulate the law and avoid accountability.

Life as a sovereign citizen: Brodie Finegan Forbes Pt. 1

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Gaining the trust of a serial killer: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt. 2

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