Face to face with John Wayne Gacy: Dr. Jeff Smalldon Pt.1

Imagine opening your letterbox to a letter from Ted Bundy or a handmade Christmas card from John Wayne Gacy. Forensic psychologist, Dr Jeffrey Smalldon, doesn't have to imagine. He's communicated with some of the most notorious serial killers in American history. In this episode, Gary and Jeff unp…

Escaping the sovereign citizen movement: Brodie Finegan Forbes Pt. 2

When his community started making their own weapons and scheming to kill cops, Brodie Finegan Forbes knew it was time to leave the sovereign citizen movement. Scared, alone, and homeless, he did the worst thing a sovcit can do - he went to the police.  In part two of his chat with Gary, Brodie tak…

Life as a sovereign citizen: Brodie Finegan Forbes Pt. 1

At 21, Brodie Finegan Forbes found himself in the centre of the sovereign citizen movement, which he calls a ‘decentralised, pseudo-legal cult’. The combination of a troubled childhood, loss of his burgeoning music career, and societal and psychological pressures led him to 24-hour Zoom ‘echo cham…

Murder in slow motion: Claude Robinson & Vince Hurley Pt.2

In Part 2 of Gary’s discussion with former detective Dr Vince Hurley and reformed prisoner Claude Robinson on I Catch Killers, the unlikely duo pull back the curtain on a justice system that is failing victim survivors, perpetrators, and the public alike. They argue that the current approach to tac…

Rejection, resilience and the road to prison: Claude Robinson & Vince Hurley Pt.1

Is the ‘tough on crime approach’ working to keep people safe?  In this episode of I Catch Killers, Gary is joined by two men from opposite sides of the law who have arrived at the same radical conclusion - the justice system is broken for everyone. Dr Vince Hurley is a former Detective turned aca…

How to spot someone planning a mass attack: Ian Cherrington Pt. 2

What are the steps a lone actor takes when preparing a violent attack? Can they be stopped? In Part 2 of forensic psychologist turned detective Ian Cherrington’s chat with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Ian unpacks warning signs and ‘leakage’ that suggest planning is underway.  Ian shares pract…

Inside the mind of a serial killer: Ian Cherrington Pt. 1

As a teenager, Ian Cherrington became fascinated by the psychology of serial killers - a fascination that would shape his entire career. He began as a forensic psychologist studying the minds of serial killers before making an unconventional leap into frontline policing as a detective in the UK. Af…

When a detective takes on the system: Graeme Simpfendorfer Pt. 2

After 40 years of silence, former sex crimes detective Graeme Simpfendorfer confronted the man he says abused him in a recorded phone call. In part two of his powerful conversation with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Graeme opens up about the anxiety of giving a police statement, a process he’d …

‘The hardest investigation was the one where I was the victim’: Graeme Simpfendorfer Pt.1

Graeme Simpfendorfer spent 27 years in the Victoria Police, leading elite squads in Homicide and Sexual Offences. He was a veteran detective catching predators until a training lecture on grooming behaviours unlocked a trauma he had suppressed for decades. Graeme realised that as a teenager, he had…

BONUS: 12 months on, Kathleen Kirby is still waiting for justice for Audrey

Twelve months after the brutal murder of her daughter Audrey Griffin, Kathleen Kirby returns to discuss the "numb" reality of her life. Unable to grieve while fighting for justice, Kathleen has stepped in where the system failed - organising community walks and personally tracking down overlooked C…