Leisl Smith's sister reflects on moment she discovered heartbreaking news

At 23, Leisl Smith had her whole life in front of her. But her ex boyfriend, James Scott Church, had other ideas. Six years after she went missing, he was charged with her murder. After a gruelling 13-week trial, there are still no answers. Why? Because Church took his own life a day before the verdict was due to be made public - locking the judge’s verdict away forever. Jerildene Cane is hoping to change that, and bring closure to her family.

FROM THE ARCHIVES: At 23, Leisl Smith had her whole life in front of her. But her ex-boyfriend, James Scott Church, had other ideas. Six years after she went missing, he was charged with her murder. After a gruelling 13-week trial, there are still no answers. Why? Because Church took his own life a day before the verdict was due to be made public - locking the judge’s verdict away forever. Jerildene Cane is hoping to change that, and bring closure to her family.

FROM THE ARCHIVES: At 23, Leisl Smith had her whole life in front of her. But her ex-boyfriend, James Scott Church, had other ideas. Six years after she went missing, he was charged with her murder. After a gruelling 13-week trial, there are still no answers. Why? Because Church took his own life a day before the verdict was due to be made public - locking the judge&rsquo;s verdict away forever. Jerildene Cane is hoping to change that, and bring closure to her family.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;
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After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.

I Catch Killers with Gary Jubelin

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;<a href="http://www.icatchkillers.com.au"></a>

After 25 years working homicide, former Detective Gary Jubelin is sitting across the interview room table from cops, crims, and victims.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;

BONUS: Remembering Leisl: Jerildene Cane Pt.2

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Ex-cop Brent Sanders breaks down consent law, alcohol & bystander intervention with Gary Jubelin.

Most sexual assaults aren't committed by strangers. They're committed by someone in the victim-survivor's own social group.

Former cop turned safety educator Brent Sanders sits down with Gary Jubelin to go deeper on prevention, how consent actually works under the law when alcohol is involved, why bystander intervention matters, and what workplaces still get wrong about harassment.

Drawing on 30 years teaching students across Australia, Brent breaks down his Year 9 to Year 12 approach in plain language: choice and consequence, phones and sexting laws, the legal test for when a drunk person can't consent, and the story of the Year 12 boy who stopped an assault at a party without throwing a punch.

In this episode:
Why it's almost always someone in the social group, not a stranger
The legal test for consent and alcohol — explained like RSA at a pub
What happens when both people are drunk, and who the law looks at
How to step in as a bystander without making it a fight
Romeo and Juliet law, sexting, AI images and what Year 10s need to know
From schools to workplaces: harassment, positive duty and Christmas parties.

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Most sexual assaults aren't committed by strangers. They're committed by someone in the victim-survivor's own social group.
Former cop turned safety educator Brent Sanders sits down with Gary Jubelin to go deeper on prevention, how consent actually works under the law when alcohol is involved, why bystander intervention matters, and what workplaces still get wrong about harassment.
Drawing on 30 years teaching students across Australia, Brent breaks down his Year 9 to Year 12 approach in plain language: choice and consequence, phones and sexting laws, the legal test for when a drunk person can't consent, and the story of the Year 12 boy who stopped an assault at a party without throwing a punch.
In this episode:
<ul>
<li>Why it's almost always someone in the social group, not a stranger</li>
<li>The legal test for consent and alcohol &mdash; explained like RSA at a pub</li>
<li>What happens when both people are drunk, and who the law looks at</li>
<li>How to step in as a bystander without making it a fight</li>
<li>Romeo and Juliet law, sexting, AI images and what Year 10s need to know</li>
<li>From schools to workplaces: harassment, positive duty and Christmas parties.</li>
</ul>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ICatchKillers-Podcast">You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here.&nbsp;</a>
Follow I Catch Killers: Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en"> @icatchkillers </a>Tiktok:<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast"> @icatchkillerspodcast </a>Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/icatchkillers/"> @icatchkillers</a>

Protecting your child from a life-changing event: Brent Sanders Pt. 2

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Ex-cop Brent Sanders reveals how predators think, choose victims & consent law.

Former police officer Brent Sanders has spent over 30 years teaching consent, sexual assault law and predator awareness to students across Australia. 

In this episode of I Catch Killers, he sits down with Gary Jubelin to explain how sex offenders think, what they look for, and what every parent and young person needs about how to stay safe and act respectfully when navigating the complex issues of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and consent.

From why you should run, yell and fight back instead of complying, to the often misunderstood legal definitions around consent, and how too many young men are crossing the line without even realising it.

In this episode:
Inside the mindset of a predator and the fear of getting caught
What serial attackers look for when choosing a victim
Why freezing helps an offender — and what to do instead
Consent, the law, and the line you can't uncross
Brent's journey: arrested at 16 to becoming New Zealand’s youngest police recruit
What every parent must tell teenagers about staying safe

You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here. 

Follow I Catch Killers:
Instagram: @icatchkillers
Tiktok: @icatchkillerspodcast
Facebook: @icatchkillers

Former police officer Brent Sanders has spent over 30 years teaching consent, sexual assault law and predator awareness to students across Australia. In this episode of I Catch Killers, he sits down with Gary Jubelin to explain how sex offenders think, what they look for, and what every parent and young person needs about how to stay safe and act respectfully when navigating the complex issues of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and consent.
From why you should run, yell and fight back instead of complying, to the often misunderstood legal definitions around consent, and how too many young men are crossing the line without even realising it.
In this episode:
<ul>
<li>Inside the mindset of a predator and the fear of getting caught</li>
<li>What serial attackers look for when choosing a victim</li>
<li>Why freezing helps an offender &mdash; and what to do instead</li>
<li>Consent, the law, and the line you can't uncross</li>
<li>Brent's journey: arrested at 16 to becoming New Zealand&rsquo;s youngest police recruit</li>
<li>What every parent must tell teenagers about staying safe</li>
</ul>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@ICatchKillers-Podcast">You can watch I Catch Killers on Youtube here.&nbsp;</a>
Follow I Catch Killers: Instagram:<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en"> @icatchkillers </a>Tiktok:<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast"> @icatchkillerspodcast </a>Facebook:<a href="https://www.facebook.com/icatchkillers/"> @icatchkillers</a>

How dangerous men think: Brent Sanders Pt. 1

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Natascha Consigli shares her raw experience inside Australian prison, privilege at 52, and how employment stops women reoffending.

After 16 months on bail waiting to be sentenced, Natascha Consigli was given 15 months with no parole. She tells Gary what her first night locked up was really like and how prison changed her.
From getting a black eye from her cellmate and refusing to press charges, to realising at 52 how much privilege she'd had compared to the young women inside with her, this is an honest conversation about accountability, rehabilitation and what actually stops reoffending.

Natascha now works with Success Works helping women with criminal records find meaningful employment because it costs $180K to jail a woman in Australia and a fraction of that to rebuild her life through a job.

After 16 months on bail waiting to be sentenced, Natascha Consigli was given 15 months with no parole. She tells Gary what her first night locked up was really like and how prison changed her. From getting a black eye from her cellmate and refusing to press charges, to realising at 52 how much privilege she'd had compared to the young women inside with her, this is an honest conversation about accountability, rehabilitation and what actually stops reoffending.
Natascha now works with Success Works helping women with criminal records find meaningful employment because it costs $180K to jail a woman in Australia and a fraction of that to rebuild her life through a job.

What really happens in a women's prison: Natashcha Consigli Pt.2

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BONUS: Remembering Leisl: Jerildene Cane Pt.2

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