Leisl Smith's sister reflects on moment she discovered heartbreaking news

At 23, Leisl Smith had her whole life in front of her. But her ex boyfriend, James Scott Church, had other ideas. Six years after she went missing, he was charged with her murder. After a gruelling 13-week trial, there are still no answers. Why? Because Church took his own life a day before the verdict was due to be made public - locking the judge’s verdict away forever. Jerildene Cane is hoping to change that, and bring closure to her family.

FROM THE ARCHIVES: At 23, Leisl Smith had her whole life in front of her. But her ex-boyfriend, James Scott Church, had other ideas. Six years after she went missing, he was charged with her murder. After a gruelling 13-week trial, there are still no answers. Why? Because Church took his own life a day before the verdict was due to be made public - locking the judge’s verdict away forever. Jerildene Cane is hoping to change that, and bring closure to her family.

FROM THE ARCHIVES: At 23, Leisl Smith had her whole life in front of her. But her ex-boyfriend, James Scott Church, had other ideas. Six years after she went missing, he was charged with her murder. After a gruelling 13-week trial, there are still no answers. Why? Because Church took his own life a day before the verdict was due to be made public - locking the judge&rsquo;s verdict away forever. Jerildene Cane is hoping to change that, and bring closure to her family.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;
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After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.

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After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories. 

One of the country’s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption. 

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;<a href="http://www.icatchkillers.com.au"></a>

After 25 years working homicide, former Detective Gary Jubelin is sitting across the interview room table from cops, crims, and victims.

After 25 years working in homicide, former Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin is sitting down across the interview room table from cops, crims, addicts, victims, small-time cheats and big-town lawyers, asking them to share their stories.&nbsp;
One of the country&rsquo;s most successful podcasts, I Catch Killers reveals the reality of life and death inside the justice system. Gary talks about the big things with an open mind - good and evil, hope and suffering, joy, tragedy - and redemption.&nbsp;

BONUS: Remembering Leisl: Jerildene Cane Pt.2

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After years of silence, former detective Graeme Simpfendorfer confronted his alleged abuser in a recorded phone call.

After 40 years of silence, former sex crimes detective Graeme Simpfendorfer confronted the man he says abused him in a recorded phone call.

In part two of his powerful conversation with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Graeme opens up about the anxiety of giving a police statement, a process he’d navigated countless times professionally, but never as a victim survivor, and takes us inside the harrowing years-long fight for justice. 

If you or someone you know needs help, there is support available. You don’t have to go through it alone. Please reach out to support services like 1800RESPECT.

This interview was recorded before Graeme's case went to trial. In the time since this recording, Graeme's specific case went to court and resulted in an acquittal. However, the same individual also faced trials over a number of other historical sexual offences against children. The defendant pleaded not guilty to all charges and has maintained his innocence throughout. While he was found guilty of sexual offences relating to four victims, the defendant continues to maintain his innocence and has filed a motion to appeal those convictions.

Listen to Graeme's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: Part 1 & Part 2

Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au 

Get in touch with the show by joining our Facebook group, and visiting us on Instagram or Tiktok.

After 40 years of silence, former sex crimes detective Graeme Simpfendorfer confronted the man he says abused him in a recorded phone call.
In part two of his powerful conversation with Gary Jubelin on I Catch Killers, Graeme opens up about the anxiety of giving a police statement, a process he&rsquo;d navigated countless times professionally, but never as a victim survivor, and takes us inside the harrowing years-long fight for justice.&nbsp;
If you or someone you know needs help, there is support available. You don&rsquo;t have to go through it alone. Please reach out to support services like&nbsp;<a href="https://1800respect.org.au/">1800RESPECT.</a>
This interview was recorded before Graeme's case went to trial. In the time since this recording, Graeme's specific case went to court and resulted in an acquittal. However, the same individual also faced trials over a number of other historical sexual offences against children. The defendant pleaded not guilty to all charges and has maintained his innocence throughout. While he was found guilty of sexual offences relating to four victims, the defendant continues to maintain his innocence and has filed a motion to appeal those convictions.
Listen to Graeme's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/i-catch-killers-with-gary-jubelin/ick-graeme-simpfendorfer-p2-final">Part 1 </a>&amp; <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/i-catch-killers-with-gary-jubelin/ick-graeme-simpfendorfer-p2-final">Part 2</a>
Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au&nbsp;
Get in touch with the show by joining our<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/844896725918656">&nbsp;Facebook group</a>, and visiting us on<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en">&nbsp;Instagram</a>&nbsp;or<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast?lang=en">&nbsp;Tiktok</a>.

When a detective takes on the system: Graeme Simpfendorfer Pt. 2

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Victoria Police veteran Graeme Simpfendorfer confronts past abuse after a grooming lecture, reports his abuser as he and Gary unpack trauma.

Graeme Simpfendorfer spent 27 years in the Victoria Police, leading elite squads in Homicide and Sexual Offences. He was a veteran detective catching predators until a training lecture on grooming behaviours unlocked a trauma he had suppressed for decades. Graeme realised that as a teenager, he had been the victim of the very crimes he spent his professional life investigating.

In this episode, Gary and Graeme discuss the "war of attrition" that followed when a top detective had to report his own abuser. Graeme reveals the clinical reality of recording a sting call and the struggle of wearing a "Batman mask" to survive his trauma.

If you or someone you know needs help, there is support available. You don’t have to go through it alone. Please reach out to support services like 1800RESPECT.

This interview was recorded before Graeme's case went to trial. In the time since this recording, Graeme's specific case went to court and resulted in an acquittal. However, the same individual also faced trials over a number of other historical sexual offences against children. The defendant pleaded not guilty to all charges and has maintained his innocence throughout. While he was found guilty of sexual offences relating to four victims, the defendant continues to maintain his innocence and has filed a motion to appeal those convictions.

Listen to Graeme's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: Part 1 & Part 2

Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au 

Get in touch with the show by joining our Facebook group, and visiting us on Instagram or Tiktok.

Graeme Simpfendorfer spent 27 years in the Victoria Police, leading elite squads in Homicide and Sexual Offences. He was a veteran detective catching predators until a training lecture on grooming behaviours unlocked a trauma he had suppressed for decades. Graeme realised that as a teenager, he had been the victim of the very crimes he spent his professional life investigating.
In this episode, Gary and Graeme discuss the "war of attrition" that followed when a top detective had to report his own abuser. Graeme reveals the clinical reality of recording a sting call and the struggle of wearing a "Batman mask" to survive his trauma.
If you or someone you know needs help, there is support available. You don&rsquo;t have to go through it alone. Please reach out to support services like <a href="https://1800respect.org.au/">1800RESPECT.</a>
This interview was recorded before Graeme's case went to trial. In the time since this recording, Graeme's specific case went to court and resulted in an acquittal. However, the same individual also faced trials over a number of other historical sexual offences against children. The defendant pleaded not guilty to all charges and has maintained his innocence throughout. While he was found guilty of sexual offences relating to four victims, the defendant continues to maintain his innocence and has filed a motion to appeal those convictions.
Listen to Graeme's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/i-catch-killers-with-gary-jubelin/ick-graeme-simpfendorfer-p2-final">Part 1 </a>&amp; <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/i-catch-killers-with-gary-jubelin/ick-graeme-simpfendorfer-p2-final">Part 2</a>
Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au&nbsp;
Get in touch with the show by joining our<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/844896725918656">&nbsp;Facebook group</a>, and visiting us on<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en">&nbsp;Instagram</a>&nbsp;or<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast?lang=en">&nbsp;Tiktok</a>.

 ‘The hardest investigation was the one where I was the victim’: Graeme Simpfendorfer Pt.1

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/64d95c22-e01a-4fca-94d7-b41f01885483/transcript

One year after Audrey Griffin's murder, her mum Kathleen Kirby shares numb grief, her fight for justice, and the system’s failings for victims’ families

Twelve months after the brutal murder of her daughter Audrey Griffin, Kathleen Kirby returns to discuss the "numb" reality of her life. Unable to grieve while fighting for justice, Kathleen has stepped in where the system failed - organising community walks and personally tracking down overlooked CCTV footage.

Gary and Kathleen explore the devastating "ripple effect" of homicide and the lack of support for families left behind, from administrative coldness regarding Audrey’s belongings to the confusing pain of waiting for a coroner’s report.

Listen to Kathleen's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: Part 1 & Part 2.

Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au 

Get in touch with the show by joining our Facebook group, and visiting us on Instagram or Tiktok.

Twelve months after the brutal murder of her daughter Audrey Griffin, Kathleen Kirby returns to discuss the "numb" reality of her life. Unable to grieve while fighting for justice, Kathleen has stepped in where the system failed - organising community walks and personally tracking down overlooked CCTV footage.
Gary and Kathleen explore the devastating "ripple effect" of homicide and the lack of support for families left behind, from administrative coldness regarding Audrey&rsquo;s belongings to the confusing pain of waiting for a coroner&rsquo;s report.
Listen to Kathleen's previous interview on I Catch Killers here: <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/i-catch-killers-with-gary-jubelin/they-called-it-an-accident-it-was-murder-kathleen-kirby-pt-1">Part 1 </a>&amp; <a href="https://omny.fm/shows/i-catch-killers-with-gary-jubelin/my-life-has-no-purpose-kathleen-kirby-pt-2">Part 2.</a>
Questions for Gary: icatchkillers@news.com.au&nbsp;
Get in touch with the show by joining our<a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/844896725918656">&nbsp;Facebook group</a>, and visiting us on<a href="https://www.instagram.com/icatchkillers/?hl=en">&nbsp;Instagram</a>&nbsp;or<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@icatchkillerspodcast?lang=en">&nbsp;Tiktok</a>.

BONUS: 12 months on, Kathleen Kirby is still waiting for justice for Audrey

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/2fb3740d-3436-44af-8cc0-a91900716aa5/clips/a674de68-1671-41e4-b53b-b41d017e96dc/transcript

BONUS: Remembering Leisl: Jerildene Cane Pt.2

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