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Hurdle is where real stories meet next-level ambition. Host, veteran journalist and coach Emily Abbate, interviews the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, peeling back the curtain on their journeys through vulnerable, deep conversation. Learn the secrets to their success, including the grit, glory, and crucial mindset lessons that help her level-up. Each conversation, a powerful reminder that we get to overcome, and embrace each hurdle to live happier, healthier, more motivated lives. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.

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Hurdle is where real stories meet next-level ambition. Host, veteran journalist and coach Emily Abbate, interviews the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, peeling back the curtain on their journeys through vulnerable, deep conversation. Learn the secrets to their success, including the grit, glory, and crucial mindset lessons that help her level-up. Each conversation, a powerful reminder that we get to overcome, and embrace each hurdle to live healthier, happier, more motivated lives. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.

Hurdle is where real stories meet next-level ambition. Host, veteran journalist and coach Emily Abbate, interviews the most inspiring women in sports and wellness, peeling back the curtain on their journeys through vulnerable, deep conversation. Learn the secrets to their success, including the grit, glory, and crucial mindset lessons that help her level-up. Each conversation, a powerful reminder that we get to overcome, and embrace each hurdle to live healthier, happier, more motivated lives. New episodes every Tuesday and Friday.

5-MINUTE FRIDAY: Who’s Really In Control?

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Yesterday I got to sit down with the "Quad God", Ilia Malinin. Reflecting on that event—and a specific question about whether or not I have a manager—led me down a path of gratitude for the "hustle" and the career I've built by simply putting myself out there and treating people well.

I’m diving deep into why we need to stop the comparison trap and start giving ourselves more credit for how far we’ve come. Plus, I answer a listener question from Tara, who is trading the Philadelphia for the Big Apple and needs the scoop on the best neighborhoods for safety and transit.

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Yesterday I got to sit down with the "Quad God", Ilia Malinin. Reflecting on that event&mdash;and a specific question about whether or not I have a manager&mdash;led me down a path of gratitude for the "hustle" and the career I've built by simply putting myself out there and treating people well.
I&rsquo;m diving deep into why we need to stop the comparison trap and start giving ourselves more credit for how far we&rsquo;ve come. Plus, I answer a listener question from Tara, who is trading the Philadelphia for the Big Apple and needs the scoop on the best neighborhoods for safety and transit.
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5-MINUTE FRIDAY: Give Yourself Some Credit

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In this episode of Hurdle, host Emily sits down with professional runner Jess McClain fresh off her monumental performance as the top American finisher at the 2026 Boston Marathon. Recorded in London, where the duo got to run in the upcoming Brooks' upcoming Hyperion Elite 6 and cheer at the 2026 London Marathon, Jess unpacks the physical and mental evolution required to clock a personal best of 2:20:49 on one of the world's most challenging courses. From navigating the "what if" game to handling mid-race mishaps like dropping a fueling bottle, Jess shares a grounded, authentic perspective on what it means to find joy in professional sport. 

IN THIS EPISODE


The Boston Breakthrough: Jess breaks down her strategy for the "Crest of Heartbreak Hill" and how her focus on downhill training and pace changes paid off in the final 10K.


Silencing the "What If" Game: A deep dive into the mental shift Jess made during training—moving away from obsessing over variables she couldn’t control and focusing on being 1% better incrementally.


Resilience Under Pressure: Jess reflects on the chaos of the Half Marathon Championships where she was directed the wrong way, and how that experience actually built her confidence for the high-stakes friction of Boston.


Life Beyond the Miles: An honest conversation about the "other things" that bring joy, including Jess's experience with egg freezing, her thoughts on family planning, and the importance of a supportive partner who sees her greatness.


The "My Way" Philosophy: Why Jess decided to stop trying to be a "robotic" athlete and instead leaned into her own unique rhythm, finding that her way is the best way for her.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"I think it’s being okay where you’re at and doing the most that you can day-to-day, week-to-week, to just be 1% better incrementally and not put so much pressure on the big dream."

"I spent so much time being told that I shouldn't do anything else... that I'm not dedicated enough. And it's just so not true. You can plan for your future and still have a really kick-ass time running and racing at a high level."

"Running's not going to go well all the time. You should be able to tap into other things that bring you joy."

"I’ve put my health and the 'fun meter' on the front burner. It feels good to be like, my way is the best way for me, instead of trying to fit myself into so many different molds."

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In this episode of&nbsp;Hurdle, host Emily sits down with professional runner Jess McClain fresh off her monumental performance as the top American finisher at the 2026 Boston Marathon. Recorded in London, where the duo got to run in the upcoming <a href="https://www.brooksrunning.com/en_us/coming-soon/?srsltid=AfmBOop50R8bGH--ul4iR7pb8cSuLByX8pE60alitzkmsA7NdewjP7F_">Brooks' upcoming Hyperion Elite 6</a> and cheer at the 2026 London Marathon, Jess unpacks the physical and mental evolution required to clock a personal best of 2:20:49 on one of the world's most challenging courses. From navigating the "what if" game to handling mid-race mishaps like dropping a fueling bottle, Jess shares a grounded, authentic perspective on what it means to find joy in professional sport.&nbsp;
IN THIS EPISODE
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<li>
The Boston Breakthrough: Jess breaks down her strategy for the "Crest of Heartbreak Hill" and how her focus on downhill training and pace changes paid off in the final 10K.
</li>
<li>
Silencing the "What If" Game: A deep dive into the mental shift Jess made during training&mdash;moving away from obsessing over variables she couldn&rsquo;t control and focusing on being 1% better incrementally.
</li>
<li>
Resilience Under Pressure: Jess reflects on the chaos of the Half Marathon Championships where she was directed the wrong way, and how that experience actually built her confidence for the high-stakes friction of Boston.
</li>
<li>
Life Beyond the Miles: An honest conversation about the "other things" that bring joy, including Jess's experience with egg freezing, her thoughts on family planning, and the importance of a supportive partner who sees her greatness.
</li>
<li>
The "My Way" Philosophy: Why Jess decided to stop trying to be a "robotic" athlete and instead leaned into her own unique rhythm, finding that her way is the best way for her.
</li>
</ul>
QUOTABLE MOMENTS
"I think it&rsquo;s being okay where you&rsquo;re at and doing the most that you can day-to-day, week-to-week, to just be 1% better incrementally and not put so much pressure on the big dream."
"I spent so much time being told that I shouldn't do anything else... that I'm not dedicated enough. And it's just so not true. You can plan for your future and still have a really kick-ass time running and racing at a high level."
"Running's not going to go well all the time. You should be able to tap into other things that bring you joy."
"I&rsquo;ve put my health and the 'fun meter' on the front burner. It feels good to be like, my way is the best way for me, instead of trying to fit myself into so many different molds."
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Finding The Fun: Jess McClain On Her American Record At The 2026 Boston Marathon, Incremental Gains & The Future Of Women’s Distance Running

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This week's guest is a true powerhouse in the sports media landscape: Sarah Spain. An Emmy, Gracie, and Peabody Award-winning journalist, Sarah spent over a decade as a mainstay at ESPN, becoming one of the most versatile and respected voices in the industry. She recently made waves by joining iHeartMedia to launch the iHeart Women’s Sports Network, where she serves as the content director and host of the industry’s first daily women’s sports podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain.

Sarah talks about the "cognitive dissonance" of navigating the current news cycle while finding personal joy, and what it’s like to move from a sports giant to building a brand new audio behemoth from the ground up. She pulls back the curtain on the "one man band" mentality—explaining why she keeps her hands in every piece of production, from scriptwriting to editing, despite her veteran status. We also dive into her background as a heptathlete at Cornell, which instilled a "problematically competitive" edge she still carries today, the grief of navigating chronic injury, and her tireless advocacy for journalistic integrity in women's sports coverage.

IN THIS EPISODE, WE DISCUSS:


Navigating the transition from a legacy brand like ESPN to a startup environment at iHeart


The daily grind of producing the first daily women’s sports podcast and the "one man band" mentality 


Why Sarah insists on treating women's sports with "journalism with a capital J" rather than just "cheerleading"


Her background in comedy and how that shaped her "edgy and snarky" broadcasting style


Dealing with the physical and mental toll of an athletic career-ending Achilles injury and chronic back pain


Training the brain for gratitude through neuroplasticity and finding "glimmers" in the everyday


Facing the harsh realities of sexual harassment and online toxicity in sports media 


Finding self-trust and the power of saying "I don't know" with confidence

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"I want the listeners that want a show that really respects and gives respect to the people participating in all these sports and doesn't trade on their name and their stories without giving it a good journalism-with-a-J look first."

"I call it the four S's: story, stakes, stats, and stars. We do that every day for men’s sports... and without having that in women’s sports, expecting people to show up game after game without providing them the information they need to care—there’s a reason it hasn’t always clicked for everyone."

"I am built to swim upstream, but holy sh*t is it nice to just lazy river it for a while and be surrounded by people who agree and want to help women's sports." 

"How much of my life do I want to waste being sad about [not looking the part] or do I want to be like: 'Hey, I'm going to make it regardless of that.' And if I miss out on jobs they're hiring based on looks, great. Let me go get a job based on brains."

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This week's guest is a true powerhouse in the sports media landscape: Sarah Spain. An Emmy, Gracie, and Peabody Award-winning journalist, Sarah spent over a decade as a mainstay at ESPN, becoming one of the most versatile and respected voices in the industry. She recently made waves by joining iHeartMedia to launch the iHeart Women&rsquo;s Sports Network, where she serves as the content director and host of the industry&rsquo;s first daily women&rsquo;s sports podcast,&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/good-game-with-sarah-spain/id1752100672">Good Game with Sarah Spain</a>.
Sarah talks about the "cognitive dissonance" of navigating the current news cycle while finding personal joy, and what it&rsquo;s like to move from a sports giant to building a brand new audio behemoth from the ground up. She pulls back the curtain on the "one man band" mentality&mdash;explaining why she keeps her hands in every piece of production, from scriptwriting to editing, despite her veteran status. We also dive into her background as a heptathlete at Cornell, which instilled a "problematically competitive" edge she still carries today, the grief of navigating chronic injury, and her tireless advocacy for journalistic integrity in women's sports coverage.
IN THIS EPISODE, WE DISCUSS:
<ul data-path-to-node="4">
<li>
Navigating the transition from a legacy brand like ESPN to a startup environment at iHeart
</li>
<li>
The daily grind of producing the first daily women&rsquo;s sports podcast and the "one man band" mentality&nbsp;
</li>
<li>
Why Sarah insists on treating women's sports with "journalism with a capital J" rather than just "cheerleading"
</li>
<li>
Her background in comedy and how that shaped her "edgy and snarky" broadcasting style
</li>
<li>
Dealing with the physical and mental toll of an athletic career-ending Achilles injury and chronic back pain
</li>
<li>
Training the brain for gratitude through neuroplasticity and finding "glimmers" in the everyday
</li>
<li>
Facing the harsh realities of sexual harassment and online toxicity in sports media&nbsp;
</li>
<li>
Finding self-trust and the power of saying "I don't know" with confidence
</li>
</ul>
QUOTABLE MOMENTS
"I want the listeners that want a show that really respects and gives respect to the people participating in all these sports and doesn't trade on their name and their stories without giving it a good journalism-with-a-J look first."
"I call it the four S's: story, stakes, stats, and stars. We do that every day for men&rsquo;s sports... and without having that in women&rsquo;s sports, expecting people to show up game after game without providing them the information they need to care&mdash;there&rsquo;s a reason it hasn&rsquo;t always clicked for everyone."
"I am built to swim upstream, but holy sh*t is it nice to just lazy river it for a while and be surrounded by people who agree and want to help women's sports."&nbsp;
"How much of my life do I want to waste being sad about [not looking the part] or do I want to be like: 'Hey, I'm going to make it regardless of that.' And if I miss out on jobs they're hiring based on looks, great. Let me go get a job based on brains."
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Beyond the Highlights: Sarah Spain On Hosting the First Daily Women's Sports Podcast, Rejecting 'Sanitized' Coverage & The Power Of Gratitude

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