Hi. I'm Vanessa Beyor and this is my brother Jonah. We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood and nostalgia and how shaped us into the people we are today, who are pretty loyal people if I do say so myself. Welcome to how did we get weird? So, Jonah, I was thinking about when we were growing up, how we both had pretty unique style. Yes, And I thought this was funny that to remember what your main kind of like trend was. Well, I had a lot of style, a lot of phases. I had a big colored turtleneck phase, I would say around fifth when I was thinking of Yeah, so, I don't know. I was just into I liked wearing turtlenecks. I feel like growing up in Cleveland is cold. I just liked sophisticated turtleneck and I liked yellows, reds, kind of more automny colors. And then I would like pairing it with a big one of our dad's kind of dress shirts over it, like an X X L and you know, you throw some gel in your hair and you're just good to go. Right, So that's so cute. So you would wear a colored turtleneck. This was fifth grade. You know what's so funny, Jonah is I never put this together. In fifth grade, you were wearing a lot of colored turtlenecks. I never put together the thing that you were putting dad's huge shirts on, because I remember Dad kind of getting matt sometimes being like, I don't have any shirts to wear to work, Like Jonah is wearing all my shirts and they were like these big, kind of plaid, huge shirts. It's funny because you know, my best friend to this day, Gwen, we kind of became best friends in fifth grade, and she would wear turtlenecks every day too, but hers were more laid out by her mom, and they were all from Talbot's kids, and they all had different patterns on them. Like it would be like one day she'd wear a turtleneck that had like bells all over it, and then one day she'd wear a turtleneck that had like music notes all over. Sure. Sure I didn't have design. I had more just like straight up ones colors or some of them had that ribbed kind of texture. Yeah. Well the design came in dad's shirts, probably like dad's shirts or some kind of checkered Yeah, usually a plaid. That's what I meant very basic plat Vanessa, What about you? What was your kind of vibe? Well, you know, my biggest most daring style trend, I guess started when I was in preschool. And if you'll recall, I had really short, curly hair. A lot of people compared me to Orphan Annie or Shirley Temple, and you know, I didn't mind that. I thought it was fine. But I also really wanted long hair, especially once I met my best friend Julie Hill, who had beautiful long hair. I was like, you know, what the hell we're doing. So Mom used to tie that really thick yarn around my head, so I'd have all this like yarn hanging down from from my head. And then also remember there were those barretts that were like of different colors and different They were each in the shape of like kind of different shapes, and it would come like twenty different burettes in a set, and I would put all twenty barrettes in my hair. Plus I would put too kind of in the front of my hair that to me were sort of giving the illusion of being ear rings. And then on top of that, I would wear like a two two and and like so I went into school kind of dressed Jonah in some ways a little punk. And I remember a really interesting thing that came out of this is our mom was interviewing to become a preschool teacher at the local j c C. And part of the reason she got her job was like the woman who was hiring and blanking on her name right now, but she said, like, I had seen Vanessa before, and I thought, like the way that you let her express herself was like really a cool thing. So I that helped mom get the job. Yeah, the arm was sort of like kind of like a hair extension, basically exactly exactly. It was like pre hair extension and look didn't match the color of my hair, No, but it looks to me it looked and felt like long hair. And yeah, I think it's better that you didn't try to match the hair color because it would be then you're trying to pass your hair off his yarn. Yarn looks a little different than hair. Yeah, I think. Later on, Emily Eisenberg told me that she was scared of me because I dressed, but look to me, it was like this is what I wear. And sure, the fact that our mom just let me go to school that way. So cool, it's great, it's great. Do you want to introduce today's guy? I would love to. I'm sure also has some great style stories. I'm sure he has some great style stories. Our guest today is a comedian, actor, and musician. You've seen him all over l A in New York. You can see his hour long comedy special The Golden One on HBO and on his new tour, The Big Baby Tour. Everyone, it's Whimer Thomas. Thanks for having me, a going for being here. I know you said it was okay if I interject and the stories, but they are really good descriptions, and I just did one and I thought I was really entertained by it. What was your vibe? My vibe when I was like a little kid. I guess y'all were pretty little in those turtleneck in the yarn was anything to look like I could be in the movie Terminator too? So I would lay out my clothes. I was actually talking about this in therapy the other day, and my therapist was trying to spin it into being like a traumatic thing or something, or like a neglectful moment from my parents. But I don't think so. But I would lay out my clothes every night before preschool and school to try to like get as close as I could to either Edward for a long or Arnold Schwarzenegger and Germinator two. I would like pick out a hat I would wear like a costume, almost Indiana Jones style jacket with like jeans with holes in them, and my first day of kindergarten I wore fingerless gloves. So wait, so the Edward furlong to me is like the jeans and the jacket and then the fingerless gloves. That's Arnold Schwarzenegger. Is that accurate biker punk? Yeah? It's like punk but not authentic. It's like the way that James Cameron would kind of imagine a punk to be is what I wanted to be, you know, right, I feel like who might be more punk? Was Edward Funk's best friend Danny Cooks. Yeah, yeah, that guy seem kind of legitimate. Salute your Shorts, so your shorts? Yeah, and he was in a band called Bad for Good with I think Brooks Wackerman who was later in Bad Religion. This is the redheaded guy from Salute your Shorts? Yeah? Was he in Terminator too? Yeah? He played Edward for Long's best friend in Terminator Too. Yeah, they'd ride along on that bike together, right or something. I mean, it's great, it's a great friendship. He just sort of dips. He literally gets pushed out of the movie by the cop. You know, he auditioned so many times to play John Connor, right, yea, as his best friend, right right, right, right right. But then I wonder if Salute Your Shorts was probably who can know? I guess we could look it up it slutar Shorts was around that time, and what else was Edward for Long Doing? You know what I mean. It's like probably a lot of other kind of like well respected movies and stuff, but you know, we were watching sluter Shorts, so to us, you know, that guy was more of a Yeah, he was more important. Yeah. I mean, I think something's wrong with my memory because I think Terminator two came out. I was two, but I remember I remember my dad taking me to see it, which there's no way that I actually remember. This is made up, And I remember it being sold out, and I have this whole maybe they re released it or something. They might have rereleased it. That makes sense that they would maybe re release it or Yeah, we're older than you. I remember maybe seeing in theaters, but I remember then renting Terminator one to see it like and watching it at home and being like, oh my god, it's so crazy that Arnold Schwartzeneger is a bad guy in Terminator one, and being like, I don't like this at all. The same I didn't get it as an exact experience. It's funny to think, though, that people were going into Terminator to thinking he's going to be a bad guy. Yes, and he's a nice guy. What a treat? Yeah. And something else we've talked about a lot on this podcast is the guns and Roses You Could Be Mine video and the era of actors crossing over into music videos, which I don't think you really see anymore. What a time? Right? Who's is it? Arnold Schwarzenegger walking down the hallway carrying a box of roses and the roses fall out and there's guns behind it? Is that? Who does it? We love it? But so that's who I was sort of. Most of my fashion was, I would say, was not authentic. It was me trying to emulate somebody else that I had seen that was cool. It wasn't a nice expression of a turtleneck with your dad shirt over it, or yarn in the hair or whatever. It's funny because when you're a kid, there's just like, oh, that kid has a they're expressing themselves, or it's that kid's crazy. And you always remember, there's a kid named Chuck who's got like jam on his face, whereas two hats at the same time, you know what I mean. I guess what I want to know is how often you wore fingerless gloves? Oh, all the time? And I would look at him. I wanted to go to the bicycle shop just so I could look at biking gloves and like, were they like leather where they like woolen? No, they were bike gloves. So there they were, patted on the bottom, got it? And uh. I had a black Chicago Bulls hat that I wore backwards and I was always sick. I always had a cold, and I would blow my nose into it and put it back into your hat. Yeah, where are you from, Whitmer, I'm from Alabama. At the time, I was living in Birmingham, Alabama. Okay, punk kid living in Birmingham, so yeah. But then eventually I moved down to the beach down in Gulf Shores, Alabama. But I got it, got it, got it. Well, it sounds like you had like a really cool, unique style growing up. It sounds like we all did, honestly. Yeah, and that's really something to be proud of. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I mean I looked the coolest. Probably that was like my coolest. I think I was physically peaking. Were you going to see like shows and bands play and stuff that came a little later. I think I started seeing bands play when I was twelve or something. We would have to drive to Pensacola, Florida from Gulf Shores or my brother was five years older so he could drive. And my first show he ever took me to was this band called the Suicide Machines, which was like a SKA destruction by definition. Yeah, yeah, yes, break the glass. Yeah, Okay. I knew you would be friends, but it took me to see that man and he said you can come. You just have to film it. And he gave me one of them old cam quarters and I was getting so into it that you couldn't, Like, I wish we could still at the footage, but the camera was just shaking up and down because I was headbanging the whole time. Yeah, nice, but that I would say that you defined my personality, changed my life. And then I would see these bands coming through to my little town or or near it, and I would try to get the things that they were wearing, but I didn't have the access to those things, so it would always be the worst version. Yeah. I think it's like so different now because I feel like now there's stores like I don't know, like top Shop or all these stores that you can get sort of clothes that are kind of stylish or like, I don't know, whatever you want to call it, that subculture rock or punk or whatever. But I feel like it was impossible to find when I was a kid. There was just nowhere to get cool stuff. Yeah, yeah, No, where did y'all grow Cleveland? Cleveland? Cleveland cool? Yeah, And I think it was sort of like pre hot topic even, like sort of that stuff kind of came out while we were in high school, but it was like you had to kind of drive pretty far. It wasn't like that accessible. I mean, and now there's like the Internet, so you sure the internet kids can like fully get all that stuff, But yeah, it was you had to kind of be creative, which it sounds like we all were, you know, big time. Some people were buying those biking gloves for like biking. Nope, not me, not you. We've talked about this podcast before. I had a pretty long Jinko phase and my friend's mom was a tailor and she would cut open the jinkos put in extra fabric in like the shape of a triangle to actually make them bigger, and the like the bottoms us like thirty inches. I mean my waist was also like probably thirty inches. Jonah was very tiny, so I would actually like get the biggest jeans and then extend them and I would I was working at kids or US. We just talked about that in the podcast. I would wear them everywhere. I would trip on them all the time. They would get really dirty because they'd be like the bottom part would be like dragging on the floor. I was if I had to go upstairs, it was like always like am I gonna fall? It was yeah, but but yeah, you couldn't make you know, we had to make your own clothes. I guess if you want that cool look. This leads into our topics, So maybe let's take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back to talk to when we're humus about Jenkos and more, and we're back. So Jonah kind of did a seamless segue into it. But Whitmer, your topic today, which is really one that we're excited to talk about, was cool genes from when we were growing up. Jonah got into kind of where he landed, which was Jenko's but there was a journey to get there, and Whimer did you have What was your journey like finding cool jeans when you were a kid? Oh? Man, it was impossible, it was so And the reason I suggested that is they emailed me and we're like, as I was in a fitting room at j C. Penny yesterday and trying on different genes because it was a reminder of how difficult it was when I was a kid. Yeah, so I became fully obsessed with like punk music, and they all had tight pants, which in two thousand one just didn't exist, and you couldn't buy jeans that were like not giants, right, So I would do whatever I could, you know, to get the closest possible thing that I could, and it was pretty much impossible. So I always felt like the right person on top. But then the lower half of my body never looked right. And I would skate. I screw up skateboarding lots, so we would film skate videos and man, we all just look like fools skating around because we can't find the right gene. Well, did you experiment at all with girls jeans? Because that was big and that That's what I was gonna say, is I would notice my jeans would be missing all the time. Jonah would just take my jeans. Well, that's so that's what I do. I would take my step mom at the times pants eventually, but that took the shift out of like punk music and more into hardcore emo music. As soon as my bangs got a bit thicker, and then I started stealing my stepmom's jeans and everything just sort of started to make sense at that point. Except even now you look at the photos and all of the crotches of our jeans are like two inches long. And then right, they shouldn't be wearing these low rise, Right they were low rise. That was the style. Of course. Of course, what I wanted to show you this I thought you would be wait, what this is my gold plaque from under Oath, from their only chasing safety to commemorate two consecutive weeks number one on the Billboard Heat Secret chart. So this record is very old. Wait, hold up, why do you have that? I used to work at this Magazine'll Turner press O. WHOA, Yeah, of course, I was a music editor there in the early two thousand's and that was like when this record came out and was huge and we had promoted them a lot. Are you familiar with this? Oh? Absolutely. I was at the show where under Oath kicked Dallas out. Dallas their singer, first singer out of the band. Did it happen during the show. We drove to Birmingham, which was then you know, I'd moved five hours, so we drove up to Birmingham to see him play with this band called from Attom to Ashes, Yes and the under Oath. We saw them walking up in a fight and Dallas was just sort of sitting there getting I think, sort of scolded or something. And then we were like, we have a bad feeling. And then Tammy I think is his name, their guitar player, went out and when they were supposed to play and really, sorry, we can't play, and we all were like, Dallas is gone. I knew Spencer, the singer who took over from his band. This Runs Through I think was the name, and my older brother's band was friends with that band, so when he joined. I remember that record coming out. I worked at Froggy's making ice cream for tourists, and I would listen to it constantly, And at first I was like, I think a bit of an elitist because it was very much more commercial. But now I listened to him like this ship rocks, man, what do you do? Because it's like a lot more singy. I have an under oath story that I want to tell. One time we went to dinner with them. Do you remember this, Jonah? So this is also probably this era, and this is like early two thousand's. This is like very I would say two thousand to two thousand three. I'm less familiar with their music, but we went to dinner with them because they were in town playing warp tours. Was it like a Cleveland I was working on warp tour and we had like a day off in Cleveland, and so you were living in Cleveland, I think, so, I don't. For some reason, we all went out to dinner with them, and your friend John Stewart found the place, remember, and he was super stressed out that it wasn't a good place or something. But anyway, we went to dinner with them and I was about to move to Chicago because I'd like just graduated college, so it must have been like yeah, it must have been like two thousand four. They were like, you're moving to Chicago and I was like yeah, They're like that's cool. Somehow it came up like how are you going to afford to like move or something? And I was like, I have money from my bot Mitzvah. And I didn't know that they were a Christian band, and they were like, oh is that like you're like they were kind of like asking me what about mitzba was. It was like so funny because like I had no idea, and I was like, yeah, mybotz you guys know about barnbot mitzva was like school was so Jewish, that Jewish that we had barn butt Mitzba's every weekend. So I just assumed. I was like, oh, the guys in this band under Oath probably had farmbutments is every weekend too. They should have known, though, I mean they were so like I just remember them looking at me like they had no idea what I was talking about, and I was like, Okay, you're the ones who are being weird. Yeah. Absolutely. Anyways, that's my only experience with under Oath is telling them about my butt. I feel like we saw them much later Terminal five, or maybe we did. I don't know. Maybe maybe it's just me. I thought maybe you were with it. I think of the dinner more than I think of them. I couldn't really name a song for you. I don't think it's your your kind of music, really, it's really not honest. They were the pre my Chemical Romance but post Dashboard Confessional, so it was like they were blending screaming music with singing music, but they were also singing like those lyrics that people make fun of now, which is it's like, you know, like about the seasons and the crying tears of red or whatever it is, you know that kind of stuff. So it was like a very just perfect for me at the time. What was your kind of look at this time? Said with bangs or what was your were you emulating that style? Yeah? I was in a band called Say Your Last, which is doesn't make any sense as a banded name. So we had to add dot dot dot to the end of it because we forgot to We was supposed to be say you are last, like it was meant to be like a year last in line, you're always last in line, or you know that kind of thing. But then we forgot that we needed an apostrophe. It was a whole mess, but so yes, so it was saying why oh you are last? Yeah, and then you had to change it to why are you apostrophe are e No, we just added an ellipses at the end to where it Mick say your last words because I'm going to kill you or that was the got it? Got it? Okay? Yeah, So we were all wearing girls jeans. I would die a spot in my hair here and there, a bleached kind of spot. I had an underneath shirt that I wish I still had called where it said a picture of Florida and it said where America goes to Die, which I think is really clever, cool shirt, but not for a Christian man. It was always weird to me that these bands were Christian, and then sometimes you'd hang out with them and be like, oh, you're Christians, so you can be signed to solid State records like you're not actually a Christian van. I had a pair of Green Girls jeans. I had some Nike Cortez shoes, and I had the smallest little shirt you could ever find, and like a track jacket. That was the That was the vibe, similar to you, Jonah, that's that's so funny, similar vibe. And I talked about this recently with someone. Those American apparel track jackets, Yeah, I felt were such a big thing and like a lot of bands would make merch on them, and I felt like I had so many of those things. So speaking of American apparel, I would see that on the merch table at the Every Time I Die show or whatever the van was. And I was a kid, like young kids, so I didn't have any money to buy that stuff, but I knew of what American apparel was because it was always the softest shirt on the merch table. And then when I moved to l A. When I was eighteen, I was walking down Main Street in Santa Monica and I walked by an American apparel store and I called my friends and was like, you know that company with the soft shirts. It's a whole store. They have nothing but those shirts. And I couldn't believe that I had like this in this access to the dream hoodie, the dream track jacket, whatever it was. And I remember being so like immediately jealous and bitter towards kids who grew up in l A because they could go to American Apparel at any time. Yeah, yeah, there wasn't that access. You're totally that they never sold jeans that did the American Apparel sl jeans. They tried, eventually, I don't think it took off now. I want to say, speaking of brands, like there was a time when clothing brands are really important. Jonah, I'm going to call it when we were in middle school. I'm in fifth grade. Jonah's in seventh grade. So this is Turtle Acts and Dad's shirts are maybe being phased out, and what's being phased in is a little designer called Jerbo called France Squad Jerbow, France France Squadjerbow, Calvin Klein and Guests. Jerbo was a big one. Guests too, But yeah it was. I had a couple of friends that had these Derbo jeans and like their thing was like they had like a little tag on the fly. I don't know if you remember this they they had it said like jerbow, I'm like almost a tag on the fly, and that made them their things. They were really expensive. They were really expensive. I mean probably the sizes that you guys were wearing, which were like, clearly for boys, we're not as expensive. But yeah, but I remember them being really expensive, and I remember really being you know, one of the only times I really remember like being pure not pure pressure, but feeling like I need this piece of clothing in order to be cool. Yeah. Like, and I think different than when like getting into punk and stuff. I felt like it was more like people will like me if I'm wearing this stuff, and they won't if I'm not wearing it, and it but it doesn't feel like authentic to my personality. Interesting, interesting, you know what I mean. Like I was like, oh, this is what I have to do in order to have friends, and so I would I think I would bug our parents about it, and I would get one or two pairs, I would wear them all the time. And then I think very quickly I kind of cycled out of that. But that was does that make sense at all? Oh yeah, I did that too big time. I got flip flops. They're called rainbow flip flops because I was I grew up in a beach town, and the girl I liked was much more of a beach girl. And I remember there was like a year of my life where I would wear flip flops, but every time I put them on, I would look in the mirror and go, this ain't me who I am. Yeah, well, it seems like both of you, like the kind of like more sort of punk outfits that you would put on. You would put those on because you like genuinely like wanted to be that way, whereas like the flip flops or the genes were like more you trying to be like accepted by other people, but it didn't feel like you were saying joan like authentic. And then we were sort of like, we'll forget society. We're going to be the punks in the outcast, and we're going to embrace this. Vanessa, what about you? Did you have an article clothing that you felt like you wore but maybe didn't feel authentic to your personality. I had a couple things I you know, when I discovered limited to in about I'm going to call it third grade or second grade, Like I was like, oh, this is really stylish. I don't know if you guys remember Limited To. There was the Limited yeah, and then the kid's version was Limited to. I think I've talked about this before, but for Hanukkah one year, Mom got me this outfit that was like big white sweater and these stretch pants that were like black and white checkered like almost pretty small checkers, like almost an optical illusion, like almost hard to look at but cool, a long necklace that you wore over the sweater, and a beret and and I was like, this is a perfect outfit. And I were at to school one day and I remember like one kid made fun of me for wearing a beret, and the teacher was like, immediately on this kid was like fuck you, not those words. But and then like I like really liked Limited Too. And I remember like wanting to get a lot of my clothes from Limited Too and that and feeling like a little bit of pressure but also like genuinely liking the clothes. Except one year I got Mom to buy me these like bell bottoms, like bell bottoms had come back in school, and I could never get myself to wear them to school. I was like too nervous to wear them, Like I kept trying to wear them to school and I got like too nervous, and I think eventually I gave them to Megan Covepman. And there was a girl in your grade, Jonah Susie Aswitz, wore her limited to bell bottoms once to school and I remember like everyone like like kind of circling around her on the playground. I remember being like I can't do it like I could for her, but like this will never be me. And they were bell bottom jeans, and I remember like I couldn't go that far, but I will say once we got into high school and stuff, Yeah, I think ninth grade I got Jonah was so into Jinkos, and mom got me a pair of girl Jinkos, which were like to Jonah his friendly rollins. It was like the wider the bottoms of the genes, the better. It's interesting. And when were you will? I know you're a little younger, but I think you will understand this. Like Jinkos were like associated very much with Rave Coaster, but then also with like Metal Cores. Those worlds are so different kind of stylistically, but I felt like and I was really into like marcore metal core, and so I had that, but I kind of think I looked like maybe a raver or something. I remember the first time I ever saw Jenkos and I was like so fascinated. I think I was ten and I was at a roller rink and there was a bunch of ravers all Injenkos with pacifiers in their mouth, and they were like the hottest girls I had ever seen in my life. They must have been like fifteen or something, easily the hottest like living people I had ever been in proximity of. And and then my mom started dating this guy whose son had Jenkos and they had a taxi cab motif kind of thing like that they checkered thing on the side and then like a picture of a cab and it said Jinko something like that, and I was like, I need those. I need those so bad. And there was no way to get Jinkos. So yeah, but there was like rip off Jinko's everywhere, and so I think I got a pair of those shorts in the pockets were so big the back pocket went from the top of the pants all the way to the bottom of the shorts. Oh yeah, and uh, I'm sure it looked like a little damn fool. But I forgot about the long pocks. So they would have these really long pockets and then at the bottom of the pocket there would be some kind of like patch of like a cartoon character or something, right right, that's mine, definitely, Yeah, it'd be like a mouse, like on a skateboard or something like that. Like Jonah said, he's always been a pretty thin guy, and he was wearing these pants that were so wide at the bottom that it looked like he was wearing like he almost looked like an anime character of like wearing a skirt like it just like this tiny waist and like just this huge kind of skirt and almost just like floating around school because we're so long that it just looks like this this guy's floating around. The bottoms would have just this ring of just mud that had caked on from just walking because you would sometimes step on the bottoms because they were too long and so just cake. But then, you know, my denim journey continued, and in my early twenties when I worked Alternate Pressed, there were a couple of guys there who were had really cool style. I want to embulate, and they were really into diesel jeans. Oh yeah, Johnny, you brought up diesel jeans, and I was like, I don't remember Jonah's diesel jeans phase. But this was later. This was like my early twenties. I got into those like right post college, but this was probably like I gret two thousand to two thousand three, and I felt like those were really popular too. I remember trying to figure out what those jeans were because Jimmy Fallon was wearing diesel jeans on something and I remember thinking he looked cool, and trying to figure out what that logo on the back of the pocket was and doing all kinds of research and then realizing, oh, I can't get diesel jeans. But then moving to l A, there was a diesel store. Never got diesel jeans. Did that completely blow your mind when you saw the diesel store. It wasn't as exciting as American. I remember trying on diesel jeans once in high school. I was out the Tower City Mall or some mall with mom, and I remember almost getting these diesel jeans, but they were a hundred dollars and it was like, there's no way I can spend that much money on Jeanes, but I do kind of lightly blame Diesel. I feel like when we were younger, jeans were like forty dollars maybe less, But then now it's so accepted that jeans are so expensive. That's partially Diesel's fault. I don't have any proof for that, but I just feel like they were like, we're going to charge a billion dollars for jeans, and then everyone was like, okay, that's what jeans are. Yeah, there's no excuse because like Wranglers, those like classic kind of cowboy Wranglers are probably the best made jeans and their twenty two dollars. Yeah, So why do some pants cost so much money? Is it just that or yeah? I guess because they can. I don't know. Yeah, like Jerbo, that's the brand, you know. I still like wearing some kind of skinniest jeans, maybe not as skinny as that it was cool in that early two thousands, but I still prefer skins use, but skin jeanes aren't. My wife has informed me, aren't like not cool anymore. Kids today, and I know we were in Boston of weekend. They wear not Jenko's, but these kind of more wider legs like I feel like skinny jeans are kind of over. I still skate a lot, like that's the only thing in the world that makes me happy, and so I skate with all children all the time and hanging out with just like kids a lot. I'd say skating often informs skaters will inform whatever the next trend. Yes, I'd say when basketball players start wearing it, it means it's over, like when pro athletes the right now they're wearing what's called the Polar Big Boys, which are the that's the go to jeans. Really, what are those are? They're not Genkos. They're more like silver tab remember that, like Levi's offshoot of those sort of baggy Tommy Hill Figure late nineties era kind of style, like boy band pants. I would describe them as which I don't quite have those I wear. They're called Polar three. Then him, which is back to um my terminator kind of thing. But I'm obsessed with jeans. I buy jeans on deep up all the time, and it's all I look at anytime I go to like a vintage row thrift store. But the thing about skinny jeans, I feel like a lot of people are hanging on to skinny jeans, like Dave Chappelle, like his fashion is like really really bad and he wears like skinny pants and very long, long T shirts. And I think it's because people who grew up with baggy pants and stuff, it took them a while. Not you, not, I'm not talking about you, but it took a lot of these people a long time to accept tight pants, yes, and so I think when they did, they're like, this is all I'm gonna wear from a point of pride. Yeah, I'm never going back. This is my personality now forever, skinny jeans. I think that's an interesting point. Well for me, when I were really big baggy clothes, it makes me feel like I'm like ten years old. That's nice, right, because that's kind of how you used to dress, used to wear so much of dad's stuff. Also, our dad is like he's not a huge guy, but he's a bigger Like it's like not like I wouldn't say you guys are built exactly the same way, I'd say he's a bigger guy than you. Very fit. I know he's going to listen to this, and I want to say very fit, but just like different sizes, yeah, different sizes. By the way, just before we move on, I just want to say, do you guys know what Jinko stands for? Gene company? It stands for Judge none Choose one, Judge none Choose one, and they're a Los Angeles based company. Judge none Choose one, Judge none Choose one. It sounds kind of like the name of your band. Yeah, I can see you playing show with them. They might have been on Trust Kill or something. What's everybody? We are choose one article? What are some other fashion trends that like skaters are wearing young skaters are wearing today, maybe so I can kind of get updated with my look, Like what kind of shoes shoes right now? Well, there's some skaters who are kind of like there's a group called sex Emo, which are they're all like super young gen z maybe twenty at the oldest, and they will wear flair. Some of them will wear a very small shirt with flair, jeans like a skinny kind of like girl jeans, a white belt, even with big chunky like S or d C or that kind of shoes, you know, like the old skater shoes from the early two thousand's, but skating now it's a blend of everything. I think the coolest looking skaters my favorite is always just like a guy in a flannel or you know, in in some but it's it's mostly uh. I'd say the trend right now is baggy jeans, a hoodie even though it's in l a, even if it's a hundred degrees, and yeah, maybe like a hat that says some company on it. It's hard to figure out what the exact trend is right now because with social media and stuff, they're pulling from every type of I think it's kind of I was reading something about fashion. They were saying that it used to be that you would emulate what was like twenty or fifteen years behind you. Yeah, and now that's not going to happen really anymore because of social media and just being so online. But I would say it's kind of early nineties. I was going to say, it sounds very nineties to me, which also skating feels very nineties to me. I don't know if that's an overstatement. You ain't wrong. Is that when like places started having ramps and stuff like skating ramps, and I think earlier, a little earlier, I want to say, like, okay, late seventies maybe there was like it peaked in the mid eighties, all of the ramps and stuff, and then they all got torn down because skating was sort of seen as a fad that went away, and then so skaters kind of took it to the streets a bit more, and then by the mid nineties it was kind of back and then there to stay with like ramps and skate parks and skate shops and yeah, but skaters in skate parks now they're skating to American football adjacent bands, which is strange, kind of Midwest emo music over skate videos doesn't quite make sense, but it somehow works. With all these new younger people they're they're finding these old bands and kind of really not old bands, but it is this really kind of it's an exciting moment in skating. That's interesting because yeah, I always associate like skaters and listening to like suicidal tendencies are like listening to like strung out or some thrash pump. Yeah strung I was just listening to strang yesterday. Yeah, I know, it's like a soft skaters are becoming soft and it's really nice. Okay, that's great. I support that I associate skaters with like no doubt. But is that just because of my limited well that that you know, Orange County kind of punk punk adjacent kind of I see it. I can't believe you never got punk, Vanessa. Believe me, I tried. There is an incredible I tried to like go to jon starting in like high school and going all the way through like my twenties. Like anytime i'd go to one of Jonah's shows, I would like dress up right. I don't look punk at least punk person there. And there is an iconic we should post it. There's an iconic photo of Jonah and I and our Jenko's in high school standing in front of Jonah's car which was just like littered with bumber stickers for punk bands. That's really nice and used to bowling drug Grandma, give it a little refresh, a little refresh. Sure, Well, it sounds like we all had really unique style and continue to do. So we're gonna take another quick commercial break and we'll be right back with Whitmer. Thomas, Okay, and we're back, so Whitmer. Now we're going to play this really incredible game called Legit Moan or Unnecessary Grown Legit Necessary grown, and basically this game was inspired by our local Cleveland newspaper growing up, the Plain Dealer, which used to have this column every Monday called Monday Moaning, where people would write in with extremely petty complaints and Jonah and I always thought they were very funny, and about ten years ago they stopped doing this, but thank goodness for archives. So we found three of them and we're going to go through them one at a time and say whether we think that the complaint is legit, otherwise known as a legit moan, or whether we think it's unnecessary otherwise known by us as an unnecessary groan. Okay, great, So this is like the proto Twitter basically, but it was printed in our newspaper and so I can kick us off. This is a short one. This one's from Parma and it just says, thanks to the jerk that stole my Callaway Heavenwood out of my golf bag at Ridgewood Golf Course while I was paying for the green fees, the golf gods will pay you back some day, you low life. Dang wow, So what do you think? Do you think that's a legit complaint or do you think that's a little unnecessary. I mean, what's your take the tone is is it's intense. Stole the golf club. Those things are expensive, I'd say legit, especially at a golf place where people probably got a little bit of scratch. They can get their own damn golf club. Yeah right, right, right right, Yeah, that's legit. Yeah, that's a legit, legit, legit mo. Yeah, I would sait's legit. But I want to kind of ding this person on there. Well, I guess I would call it a passive aggressive attitude. They're thanking this person thanks to the It's like, couldn't you say my complaint is to you know, it just seems like a little bit passive aggressive to be saying thanks to the jerk and then the golf gods will pay you back some day, you low life. Low life is really good though. Yeah, yeah, you know, I agree. I think it's a jitmans But I just think the way that this person word did their complaint makes me want to steal a golf club. That's true, that is true, That is true. What do you think. I'm just picturing this person writing this letter and being like, my callaway's gone, that I got to write the plain dealer and just like calling I bet you low life was not the first insult this guy. You, I bet you came down a few not. Yeah, I get the vibe, you know, with the golf God's like, I think that this guy had a real forum where he could say what he wanted, it would be a little more intense. This seems toned down, but you get this undercurrent of real anger and you know, like just you don't want to mess with this person, although someone did mess with him, and you know, I guess we'll just see what happens with the golf gods. Yeah, he's probably like he makes things about him a lot, I bet right, probably a great guy to hang with. Yeah, but and really excited for the first time to have something that he can actually complain about. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He probably comes lanes about a lot of things. I get a census is not a good tipper, right, yeah, Okay, we're really turning on your person, legit moan, But I don't want to really necessarily hang out with this person, right, how about this? How about this legit moan? But watch your tone? Yes, wow, let's move on to the next one. It seems like we were all in agreement that that one was legit. Okay. On Saturday, August thirteenth, I had the pleasure of enjoying the Doo Wops concert at Kane Park. However, it was marred by three men in parentheses definitely not gentlemen by my standards, who sat in front of me and my friends constantly, and throughout the first act, each one of them held up overhead their phone cameras, taking pictures and making videos. It was definitely distracting and annoying. I wonder if some people have ever heard of the Golden rule, and this one's from Shardon, Ohio, Whitmer, what do you think of this? Is this legit or unnecessary? Okay? So what's this person doing again? There? This person is going to the do Ops concert at Kane Park, So I would think it's like an outdoor concert. Kane Park is where I used to see Baila Fleck in the Fleck Tones. It's like that kind of yeah. So, and the people sitting in front of them, I can't, I don't. Is it like they're sitting in a park or it's like the science. I think it's I'm trying to remember, I can't remember. I think it's kind of like a park. Maybe there you could sit on the grass or something. I'm not exact. I don't remember, as I've been there a long time. Okay. The people in front of them keep holding their phone cameras up overhead and taking pictures and making videos, and this guy is saying it was distracting and annoying, and he wants to know if some people have ever heard of the Golden rule, which is okay, so okay, And these are old, right, these are from a long time ago. Yeah, these are about I would say two thousand eleven, probably, I'm guessing. Okay, So this guy is potentially new to the idea of a video phone. Yes, it just depends, Like what's I mean. I went and saw my chemical romance other night, and everybody was filming it, and you could figure out how old the person was who was filming it just by which way they were holding their phone while they were filming it. If it was vertical, it's probably a young person. And it's horizontal, it's probably older millennial. I'd say unnecessary, grown necessary to be honest, Who cares. I don't care about filming stuff. People can film me perform any time and put it on YouTube. I don't give a ship. I hate it when people complain about people. It's like, yeah, because they want to watch it later. I mean, this is coming from the guy whose brother first concert he ever went to was a film film. It had to film it, so yeah, it's unnecessary. Jonah, what about you? I'm conflicted about this one same I think a you know, and I pointed this out in the dock. I'm not sure this person understands the golden rule exactly. Like they didn't like that being done to them with the phone, so you wouldn't do that to someone else. I don't know. But then when were these people like you who don't care, So it's not exactly. Also, I don't think they're not doing that to anyone. They're filming the show for themselves, right well, it's like would they want someone in front of them filming? Right? Okay? Yeah, And this is why I'm conflicted. I do get you know, sure, it can be annoying, maybe if you're like at a show and there's like a phone screen from your face the whole time. But the part that makes it tough for me is it feels hypocritical because I watch concerts and bands on YouTube all the time of like people filming shows so I don't have to leave my house, and I'm like, oh, like, I wonder what bad religions like lineup sounds like. Now I can watch a whole show, but someone at that show had someone next to them the whole time holding the phone. Otherwise I wouldn't able to do it unless it's like a professional production, so you know. And also we have to take the time into context, like maybe this person isn't used to it. I think there was kind of a transitional point around them when people started filming. There's so many variables here. I mean, I feel like, if you're going to film it and never watch it again, then it's annoying. But if you're actually gonna maybe so I'm gonna say this is an unnecessary groan just based on the personality. I find this definitely not gentleman by my standards, common to be very insulting and unnecessary. And then I feel like the labeling of the Golden rule to be a bit kind of high and mighty and pedantic. So I'm going to say unnecessary. Grown you can control the way you react to things. You can't control the external world, and so that's that's maybe something that Priston should think about. Vanessa, what are your thoughts said? Like a true mental health counselor, I agree with you, guys. The reason I was asking about the seating arrangement is because if you are like truly in a park and you don't like the people in front of you, you can't move. Like I know that. I'm sure the Duops concert was packed, similar to that my Chemical Romance concert. Yeah, similar, similar turnout, they're probably the only people filming it now I'm thinking about it. Well, then that's what I'm saying. It's like, just move then, Like if you don't have assigned seats, it would be one thing if it was like we were at this show. We each paid like four dollars for our seats, and like these people in front of us in their seats were like blocking our views, you know. But it's like you're in a park, like you can move, as you said, when we're probably not everyone is filming at a Duops concert. Yeah, I don't even think. Did they just cover Duops song? Yeah? I guess I thought it was a genre of music. Yeah, I don't know if it's a band. I think this person might be confused. I don't know, Like if you were watching a TV show or like a generic movie that took place in the fifties, they'd be like, we're going to see the Duops. Like, it doesn't feel like it's a real I'm not sure it's a real band. I'm not sure. Maybe maybe someone can let us know. Yeah, yeah, no, it is. It is continuing tradition. This is two thousand eleven the Duops returned to Cleveland Heights. It's quickly becoming a Cleveland Heights summertime tradition. This was the third straight year they played there, So I don't know if it's still happening, but it was happening from oh eight to two thousand eleven. Yeah, well, this person certainly talking about them, like you should know that. Like, of course, the Duops also listen to this. Speaking of the Duops, a forty six song set list is in place for the August thirteenth, approximately three hour concert to Jesus Christ. So this person must have been losing their mind when our three goes on with this phone in front of their face. He's got to hear some way to go. I was gonna say this person was probably like they said, constantly throughout the first act, of course, because by the second act is people's arms were probably tired. Yeah, constantly throughout the first act. So just set it out. A human body can only raise a camera for so long. And if film, I would especially want to be filming at a duofs show because all them funny noises they're always having to make, like, Oh, they're doing wonder, what's in my wonder? Wonder whatever? You know? That's yeah, I want to know what that guy looks like. Yeah, who's going to be singing that weird part? I think based on the venue and the length of the show, I'm going to give this an unnecessary groan. That's fair enough, Jonah, did you want to read this last one? Yeah? My Monday moan is when I visit my primary care doctor, the pharmaceutical salesperson is frequently outnumber the patients in the way waiting room. More annoying is when they take the salesperson ahead of the patients, And even more irritating is to see the salesperson giving perks to the office help and hear them giving dinner invitations to the doctor for for him and his wife. All this should be done before or after hours, patients should come first, and that's from euclid Ohio. When have you ever experienced this or what do you guess you have? I have? Okay, I think this is absolutely a legit grown a legit, a legit. Moan. One time was sicker than I ever ever been in my life, probably, and my dad was when I was in high school. Took me to the doctor that I would go to and we had a relationship. You know, he had known me grown up and we're the only person in the waiting room and my dad just gets so frustrated at one point after waiting for like an hour or so and you know, had an appointment all that stuff that he just goes into because he kind of knew the doctor. You know, he goes into the room and opens the door and he's just like getting like a massage from the pharmaceutical wraps. This babe, smoking hot babe. And my dad got so mad that he like very articulately kind of probably cost the guy out and then took me somewhere else. I think we had to drive like an hour away to a different hospital. But yeah, it's annoying. You know, my stepsister does this job she's a pharmaceutical wrap. She talks about she doesn't like to play the games that all the other ones do and the things that the doctor. It's like doctors shouldn't be given perks from people to shell out pills whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, And it seems like this person's point is also just like, don't take up time that you could be seeing patients. Like if you are getting like a new drug and you're like, okay, maybe I'll like just don't take up the time that you should be seeing patients and doing it in front of patients is also so rude to be like, we'll take you next, but first we're going to talk to this pharmaceutical remp and like get a bunch of free stacks and and like talk about the dinners we're going to with them. Yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of doctors do it. They like really look forward to that time. Yeah, I mean I get it. I love free stuff, but not at the expense of my fans. So legit, moan from Vanessa, what do you think? Yeah, legit, leg so crazy. This person is saying. My Monday mo is when I visit my primary care doctor, the pharmaceutical salesperson's frequently outnumber the patients in the waiting room. That's crazy. It's annoying when they take the salesperson's ahead. That's insane. That's a complete legit, moan. I also feel like this doctor should be out of business, Like you can't run a business that way. I don't know why this person doesn't get a new doctor, but I still think it's a little so a little bit on this person, like go somewhere else. But also I do think it's a legit moan. What about you, Jonah, Yeah, I I think this is also totally legit. I've never experienced this where I've been in the doctor and there's all these these like I picture them holding like a lot of stickers and like magnet for like drugs from American. Yeah, so his fighter on it exactly exactly. So I've never experienced this, So, to be honest, it felt a little bit I thought, maybe a little exaggerated. I also thought the part where the person was like and they're offering dinners for the doctor and his wife seems like very specific, right, that's I think a thing that happens a lot. Now I'm thinking maybe it's so specific because this hasn't really happened to this person, and so they have the details, and I, oh, they're not making it up. Jonah. I don't think they're making it up. And you know what I like about this one too that makes me also want to support it is the tone. I mean, they're not calling these people low life. They're not saying they're not gentleman in my book. I mean, it's just straight this rule people. Yeah, they're not bringing up the Golden Rule out of context. They're saying it's straight. They're saying they're comp plane. It's a legit complaint, and I support it. I think the doctors should be serving the patients and the pharmaceutical reps should should see them on their own time, if they see them at all. To your point, Jonah, so you're calling this a legit moan. And to your point, I just want to say, this is how you write a Monday moaning complaints. I just want to read the last sentences of the three examples we read today. The less sense of the first one was the Gulf gods will pay you back some day, you low life. It's like, even though we agreed with this person, work on your tone. The second person wrote, I wonder if some people have ever heard of the golden rule, used it incorrectly kind of, and it's like, don't end with that, like end with your strongest point. What's the last sentence of this one, the last sense of this one? Patients should come first. Thank you, You're right. That's a strong way to end. That leaves me thinking, Okay, this person has a really great point. That's a lesson to these other people who really and to the majority of the people right into Monday morning who like can't really help themselves but like take like a really unfair, unnecessary dig at the end. So that's where we are. Well, Whitmer, we had so much fun with you today. Can you tell us where people can find you? You just look me up at Whittmer Thomas, across the board, Whitmer Thomas, at all of them. Then you'll be able to find me. And I'm going on tour where are you? Mostly touring all over the country pretty much. I'm missing some Denver in Detroit just because of his scheduling stuff. But I'll probably be coming kind of close to where you live, unless you live in Kansas too, which I'll go back there one day. Sure, sure so if you live in Kansas, just be patient. Okay, great well, great, well that was really fun. Thanks so much to Whittmer for joining us and everyone for listening. If you enjoyed that, please subscribe to the podcast and keep an eye up for next week's episode of How Did We Get Weird? We will discuss more stories from our childhood and call cltural touchstones like cool jeans