Hi. I'm Vanessa Mayor and this is my brother Jonah.

Hi. I'm Vanessa Mayor and this is my brother Jonah.

We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood in nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people we are.

We're two siblings who love to talk about our childhood in nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people we are.

Today, who are so excited for today's guests but are trying to keep everythings.

Today, who are so excited for today's guests but are trying to keep everythings.

Then welcome to how did we get weird?

Then welcome to how did we get weird?

So, Jonah, I know we're both really excited for our guests today. So I was thinking about, you know, when you and I started becoming really big fans of music and cool bands, and how much MTV we used to watch as kids.

So, Jonah, I know we're both really excited for our guests today. So I was thinking about, you know, when you and I started becoming really big fans of music and cool bands, and how much MTV we used to watch as kids.

Yeah, this is Don't ask me why I remember this, but I remember we started watching MTV in nineteen eighty eight.

Yeah, this is Don't ask me why I remember this, but I remember we started watching MTV in nineteen eighty eight.

Oh interesting that you know the specific year.

Oh interesting that you know the specific year.

Yeah, because I remember I thought about this a lot as a kid, like because I remember the year we started watching it. For some reason, I always thought it would be important for me to remember that.

Yeah, because I remember I thought about this a lot as a kid, like because I remember the year we started watching it. For some reason, I always thought it would be important for me to remember that.

That's so cute.

That's so cute.

Yeah, And you know a video I remember playing so much in nineteen eighty eight was the Bengals Walk like an Egyptian Right. That was on all the time, And I remember thinking, this is a video I'm watching a lot in nineteen eighty eight, and I'm just kind of getting into music, and this is like, oh, it's interesting because I do sometimes I am a guest now on podcasts about music where I do talk about my form of music, gears, And I knew even as a kid, like people are going to want to know this stuffs so cute.

Yeah, And you know a video I remember playing so much in nineteen eighty eight was the Bengals Walk like an Egyptian Right. That was on all the time, And I remember thinking, this is a video I'm watching a lot in nineteen eighty eight, and I'm just kind of getting into music, and this is like, oh, it's interesting because I do sometimes I am a guest now on podcasts about music where I do talk about my form of music, gears, And I knew even as a kid, like people are going to want to know this stuffs so cute.

Yeah, it's it's pretty weird.

Yeah, it's it's pretty weird.

No, it's very sweet.

No, it's very sweet.

You know.

You know.

I don't really remember that video that much, but I remember I Loved in Your Room by the Bengals, and I was so into that song, and it seems like it's not like one of their most popular songs, but I feel like that video was on MTV so much, uh huh. And then I have this. This is like a thing that I always look up and I can't tell if I made it up or not, but I swear one time I was watching TV and the Bengals the band were at a Cincinnata Bengals football game, and it was like this whole thing where like the Bengals were at the Bengals And I've tried to look it up before and there's no actual evidence online that this ever happened.

I don't really remember that video that much, but I remember I Loved in Your Room by the Bengals, and I was so into that song, and it seems like it's not like one of their most popular songs, but I feel like that video was on MTV so much, uh huh. And then I have this. This is like a thing that I always look up and I can't tell if I made it up or not, but I swear one time I was watching TV and the Bengals the band were at a Cincinnata Bengals football game, and it was like this whole thing where like the Bengals were at the Bengals And I've tried to look it up before and there's no actual evidence online that this ever happened.

Yeah, oh, speaking of.

Yeah, oh, speaking of.

What, I know what you're gonna say. I know, we have a mystery has been solved, right.

What, I know what you're gonna say. I know, we have a mystery has been solved, right.

A mystery has been solved. Yes, So if you've been following the saga of did Jewel or did Jewel not played Arabica in.

A mystery has been solved. Yes, So if you've been following the saga of did Jewel or did Jewel not played Arabica in.

The nineties in Cleveland in Coventry.

The nineties in Cleveland in Coventry.

In Cleveland, Yeah, we were talking with Dave Hill about it recently. We asked Jewel about it and she was like, played a lot of coffee shops. And we asked Dave Hill about it, and he was like, you should ask Kathy from the grog Shop about it, because a grog shop was on Coventry was down there is I think actually maybe in the Arabica space now, but was on the other side of Coventry was still there and at the other end of the block. And so you know, I emailed Kathy and I said, hey, you know I used to play the grog Shop.

In Cleveland, Yeah, we were talking with Dave Hill about it recently. We asked Jewel about it and she was like, played a lot of coffee shops. And we asked Dave Hill about it, and he was like, you should ask Kathy from the grog Shop about it, because a grog shop was on Coventry was down there is I think actually maybe in the Arabica space now, but was on the other side of Coventry was still there and at the other end of the block. And so you know, I emailed Kathy and I said, hey, you know I used to play the grog Shop.

He's live in Cleveland. I know this kind of a strange question.

He's live in Cleveland. I know this kind of a strange question.

And Kathy wrote me back right away, was very nice and was like, you know, I'd have to talk to people to get the exact date, but she was like, yes, Jewel definitely played at Arabica and I think she said it was ninety six. Wow, I'd have to double check, but she knew the year, didn't know the exact situation behind it, but was like, yeah, that happened.

And Kathy wrote me back right away, was very nice and was like, you know, I'd have to talk to people to get the exact date, but she was like, yes, Jewel definitely played at Arabica and I think she said it was ninety six. Wow, I'd have to double check, but she knew the year, didn't know the exact situation behind it, but was like, yeah, that happened.

How validating. That's so incredible. We went to the source, we asked Jewel and she wasn't sure. But now knowing that it's true, it's like it was probably such a big deal to anyone working at Arabica at the time.

How validating. That's so incredible. We went to the source, we asked Jewel and she wasn't sure. But now knowing that it's true, it's like it was probably such a big deal to anyone working at Arabica at the time.

Yeah, I don't think it was a huge deal to other people because it was very early in Jewl's career, so I don't think she was sort of like the Jewel we know today. But yeah, so it happened, and it actually did feel really good because I was starting to think, much like you and the Bengals and the Bengals, I was like, yeah, maybe I made this up, and I've just told this story so many times that now I just believe it's true. But there's no evidence on the internet. But like I said, the nineties is kind of a murky time for things on the internet as far as like it being archives. Oh yeah, I thank you to Dave Hill for recommending that, because I got I got an actual confirmation from someone from a reputable source.

Yeah, I don't think it was a huge deal to other people because it was very early in Jewl's career, so I don't think she was sort of like the Jewel we know today. But yeah, so it happened, and it actually did feel really good because I was starting to think, much like you and the Bengals and the Bengals, I was like, yeah, maybe I made this up, and I've just told this story so many times that now I just believe it's true. But there's no evidence on the internet. But like I said, the nineties is kind of a murky time for things on the internet as far as like it being archives. Oh yeah, I thank you to Dave Hill for recommending that, because I got I got an actual confirmation from someone from a reputable source.

Okay, and yes you heard it here. Jewell did play the Arabica in Coventry when she was stared getting her start.

Okay, and yes you heard it here. Jewell did play the Arabica in Coventry when she was stared getting her start.

Yeah, and here's Kathy. Unless she said she played there in ninety five or ninety six, it for sure happened.

Yeah, and here's Kathy. Unless she said she played there in ninety five or ninety six, it for sure happened.

So wow.

So wow.

Well, now that that huge mystery has been solved, should we introduce our guests?

Well, now that that huge mystery has been solved, should we introduce our guests?

Yeah, I want to introduce today's guest. Obviously a very talented musician. You know him as a singer and guitarist of Bush. You can see him the summer on the Loaded Greatest Hits tour. Gavin, thank you so much for being here when we are so happy to have you.

Yeah, I want to introduce today's guest. Obviously a very talented musician. You know him as a singer and guitarist of Bush. You can see him the summer on the Loaded Greatest Hits tour. Gavin, thank you so much for being here when we are so happy to have you.

Thanks for having me of course.

Thanks for having me of course.

Yeah, and we have some mutual friends. Actually, sure, we have a lot.

Yeah, and we have some mutual friends. Actually, sure, we have a lot.

I used to be the music editor at Alternative Press and my friend Brian Diaz tech for you guys.

I used to be the music editor at Alternative Press and my friend Brian Diaz tech for you guys.

I think last year.

I think last year.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

Yes, I wanted to get into music in a little bit. But I have a question I've been wanting to ask you for many years. One of my favorite bands, it's a band from Chicago called Silkworm, and their guitar player and he played with you at one point. Is that that is that's true?

Yes, I wanted to get into music in a little bit. But I have a question I've been wanting to ask you for many years. One of my favorite bands, it's a band from Chicago called Silkworm, and their guitar player and he played with you at one point. Is that that is that's true?

Yeah?

Yeah?

No, I did a documentary I saw and I but it's a very bizarre pairing. I'm assuming Steve Albini was behind it, but I'm just curious.

No, I did a documentary I saw and I but it's a very bizarre pairing. I'm assuming Steve Albini was behind it, but I'm just curious.

About Steve Houps there was I think that it was. I suppose Nigel was his wife was having a baby, so almost having a baby, so he didn't want to do a bunch of shows and so and he came in un graciously. Yeah, I played lesson this great bad greats. I'm don't see him an.

About Steve Houps there was I think that it was. I suppose Nigel was his wife was having a baby, so almost having a baby, so he didn't want to do a bunch of shows and so and he came in un graciously. Yeah, I played lesson this great bad greats. I'm don't see him an.

Incredible player too.

Incredible player too.

I mean, I'm curious, like what when you look back on sort of like you know, we talk about some nostalgic stuff on the podcast. You know, it's hard to picture Bush as a small band because it seemed like things happened very fast. Was there a period of Bush, like ninety two to ninety four where you guys were playing small shows, touring and vans like that?

I mean, I'm curious, like what when you look back on sort of like you know, we talk about some nostalgic stuff on the podcast. You know, it's hard to picture Bush as a small band because it seemed like things happened very fast. Was there a period of Bush, like ninety two to ninety four where you guys were playing small shows, touring and vans like that?

Was there that period before it blew up?

Was there that period before it blew up?

Well, there was a period of time when we were massive in Camden, which is a really small area of North London, and we would kind of like do three or four pubs and play on Friday night to the Mean Fiddler or the Dublin Tavern, and so just yeah, we just played those shows anonymously. But yeah, we could put on a good enough show that it was like impactful enough for the whole pack Friday night pub. We have a good time. I wouldn't say people are like, we've got to see a band. And then when we did our first show on tour, it was a professional band because we made the record.

Well, there was a period of time when we were massive in Camden, which is a really small area of North London, and we would kind of like do three or four pubs and play on Friday night to the Mean Fiddler or the Dublin Tavern, and so just yeah, we just played those shows anonymously. But yeah, we could put on a good enough show that it was like impactful enough for the whole pack Friday night pub. We have a good time. I wouldn't say people are like, we've got to see a band. And then when we did our first show on tour, it was a professional band because we made the record.

And then we went on tour in the January. That's our first show at CBGB's.

And then we went on tour in the January. That's our first show at CBGB's.

That's the first time I ever played a show where anyone bought the record. So we're just a bad with a song on radio and we played a sold our show at CBGB's and so it started there really, but there was like so much struggle in time for that obviously. That's sometimes when it first came out and popped out of the box, it seemed so weird because it was as if all those years were just like the wine was getting more extreme, tighter and tighter, and then when it got when it exploded, like finale of Fireworks show, except we're still shooting rockets.

That's the first time I ever played a show where anyone bought the record. So we're just a bad with a song on radio and we played a sold our show at CBGB's and so it started there really, but there was like so much struggle in time for that obviously. That's sometimes when it first came out and popped out of the box, it seemed so weird because it was as if all those years were just like the wine was getting more extreme, tighter and tighter, and then when it got when it exploded, like finale of Fireworks show, except we're still shooting rockets.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And when you were a little kid, were you were you always really into music? Was that like were you playing guitar from an early age or did you sort of get into it later?

And when you were a little kid, were you were you always really into music? Was that like were you playing guitar from an early age or did you sort of get into it later?

Well, it's a weird one because I found definitely I was of that state where music was an incredible refuge.

Well, it's a weird one because I found definitely I was of that state where music was an incredible refuge.

You know.

You know.

Yeah, I mean the question you know, of the topic on here which we're going to get into that I don't want to give it away.

Yeah, I mean the question you know, of the topic on here which we're going to get into that I don't want to give it away.

I don't want to give it away yet.

I don't want to give it away yet.

But go get you know, connects to.

But go get you know, connects to.

To that, to that passion.

To that, to that passion.

And weirdly, I didn't think I had no no one around me who as a musician or trying to be a band or I didn't even have faye musicians around me.

And weirdly, I didn't think I had no no one around me who as a musician or trying to be a band or I didn't even have faye musicians around me.

You know.

You know.

The most I got to singing was at my aunt's pub in the East London Wor I'd gownstead weekends between the age of like twelve and fourteen, and they'd sing let me take you by the handle in the streets, landing every like old singers. They locked the doors and like all the gangsters and their East London get gangsters, and you could like never been really quiet while these women would sing these wonderful old songs, you know, drinking songs, and so.

The most I got to singing was at my aunt's pub in the East London Wor I'd gownstead weekends between the age of like twelve and fourteen, and they'd sing let me take you by the handle in the streets, landing every like old singers. They locked the doors and like all the gangsters and their East London get gangsters, and you could like never been really quiet while these women would sing these wonderful old songs, you know, drinking songs, and so.

I got their history of that.

I got their history of that.

But I didn't have the confidence to think that I could even make music.

But I didn't have the confidence to think that I could even make music.

It was weird. It was only when I was faced with the idea of getting a job that I thought, oh, fucked up. Really what else? I thought?

It was weird. It was only when I was faced with the idea of getting a job that I thought, oh, fucked up. Really what else? I thought?

Yeah, And I thought, well, I really liked singing and I love singers, and I tried to be in bands at school.

Yeah, And I thought, well, I really liked singing and I love singers, and I tried to be in bands at school.

We'd spend time, like more time on a name than playing.

We'd spend time, like more time on a name than playing.

I get that.

I get that.

I don't argue about the name. A lot of a lot of discussions about the name. One show, I don't know who played what I sort of sang indiscriminately into a microph. I'm thinking I was Pool Well or Johnny Rotin or Johnny Lydon or whatever in the clash playing London Calling. And yeah, I just thought I was just, you know, coming up in London and going out a lot, and there was the whole scene out there, and I just thought, oh, this is the mystery of the if this, you know, because I was hidden world, you know, I grew up. I could listen to Bowie.

I don't argue about the name. A lot of a lot of discussions about the name. One show, I don't know who played what I sort of sang indiscriminately into a microph. I'm thinking I was Pool Well or Johnny Rotin or Johnny Lydon or whatever in the clash playing London Calling. And yeah, I just thought I was just, you know, coming up in London and going out a lot, and there was the whole scene out there, and I just thought, oh, this is the mystery of the if this, you know, because I was hidden world, you know, I grew up. I could listen to Bowie.

My aunt got me like Bowie David Bowie records and my Ziggy Starbus was the first record. Shot got me from there. And there's a records shop up the road from record store from where I lived. It's all these like Malcolm glad Welly and kind of inputs, you know, environments of like the record store is really close. My aunt was a really wild person and would be out all night and coming in the morning just so much mistake point she said this record, yeah you love it, and then sleep all day, and I thought it was the coolest thing everything. Like my mom, I thought it would be boring, and I was writing, and my eye was much more interesting, and then yeah, I just started to When I began to write the work, the funniest thing happened was I had a bit at a epiphany because I found a real legitimate outlet, and I found a legitimate sort of I grow up on the punk music, and so it just I just started to write words, even though they were terrible, even though I was just really learning. There was something about the freedom to express yourself and just say what you thought. And I thought it was such a funny thing because in a way, it's sort of quite an hourrogan pursuit. I'm going to write something down that you should listen to. It's like, just tell yourself, why are you going to every one? When you think about it?

My aunt got me like Bowie David Bowie records and my Ziggy Starbus was the first record. Shot got me from there. And there's a records shop up the road from record store from where I lived. It's all these like Malcolm glad Welly and kind of inputs, you know, environments of like the record store is really close. My aunt was a really wild person and would be out all night and coming in the morning just so much mistake point she said this record, yeah you love it, and then sleep all day, and I thought it was the coolest thing everything. Like my mom, I thought it would be boring, and I was writing, and my eye was much more interesting, and then yeah, I just started to When I began to write the work, the funniest thing happened was I had a bit at a epiphany because I found a real legitimate outlet, and I found a legitimate sort of I grow up on the punk music, and so it just I just started to write words, even though they were terrible, even though I was just really learning. There was something about the freedom to express yourself and just say what you thought. And I thought it was such a funny thing because in a way, it's sort of quite an hourrogan pursuit. I'm going to write something down that you should listen to. It's like, just tell yourself, why are you going to every one? When you think about it?

So it's like, but I had this feeling that I had a connection to.

So it's like, but I had this feeling that I had a connection to.

It, and then Weirdly enough, I got really quickly, within about a space of a year and a half. I used to write songs by speaking and singing them into a cassette and then give it to my who became my best friend for life. Sasha still is seeing these nonsense and what songs they were?

It, and then Weirdly enough, I got really quickly, within about a space of a year and a half. I used to write songs by speaking and singing them into a cassette and then give it to my who became my best friend for life. Sasha still is seeing these nonsense and what songs they were?

What I don't know what it was. How I thought like, this is the verse.

What I don't know what it was. How I thought like, this is the verse.

It must have only been a really arrange with three notes and then going into something that may be like a chorus, because that's why, you know, so Michael Jackson's what Elviston sex sort of clashed it, so just like that, bit like that, and then the playoff and the playoffs and just like basic and and I got signed to Warna Chapel Music because I had a knack for aching. I couldn't play music particularly then, so I sat a knack for teens and weird enough, think they paid me I think five thousand pounds advance. And when I got going with Bush it cost me three hundred and fifty to get off label.

It must have only been a really arrange with three notes and then going into something that may be like a chorus, because that's why, you know, so Michael Jackson's what Elviston sex sort of clashed it, so just like that, bit like that, and then the playoff and the playoffs and just like basic and and I got signed to Warna Chapel Music because I had a knack for aching. I couldn't play music particularly then, so I sat a knack for teens and weird enough, think they paid me I think five thousand pounds advance. And when I got going with Bush it cost me three hundred and fifty to get off label.

Had the payton to leave. Yeah, that's all right, that's the bizz.

Had the payton to leave. Yeah, that's all right, that's the bizz.

It paid off. Do you remember any did any of those early lyrics stand out to you? Like do you remember any Well?

It paid off. Do you remember any did any of those early lyrics stand out to you? Like do you remember any Well?

Funny enough, They all a lot of the like first of the singles was I released two singles was King of the Mountain and another one was like run with You. I want to run with you, roll you kids. So they were physically based, so I thought I was interesting.

Funny enough, They all a lot of the like first of the singles was I released two singles was King of the Mountain and another one was like run with You. I want to run with you, roll you kids. So they were physically based, so I thought I was interesting.

I don't know why, meaning like you were doing an activity in them.

I don't know why, meaning like you were doing an activity in them.

Yeah, lyric which I thought was quite sweet.

Yeah, lyric which I thought was quite sweet.

You know, I thought it was quite bearing because I didn't know much so it was always on the move.

You know, I thought it was quite bearing because I didn't know much so it was always on the move.

Yeah, sure, and also great songs for working out to, you know, like.

Yeah, sure, and also great songs for working out to, you know, like.

I haven't, I haven't, Like I've maintained that spirit. A friend of mine wrote me. They came into l A a couple of days ago and said, I'm going to go work out the gym. I was like, perfect, the Bush the Art of Survival. We'll still workout music. All music makes you think it's someone's asking, you know, right right.

I haven't, I haven't, Like I've maintained that spirit. A friend of mine wrote me. They came into l A a couple of days ago and said, I'm going to go work out the gym. I was like, perfect, the Bush the Art of Survival. We'll still workout music. All music makes you think it's someone's asking, you know, right right.

People don't think of Bush as workout music, but it's actually really great workout.

People don't think of Bush as workout music, but it's actually really great workout.

It's paranoid, paranoid, someone's going to get.

It's paranoid, paranoid, someone's going to get.

You whatever gets you moving, you know.

You whatever gets you moving, you know.

That's a common theme in there and then and then. So it's funny that that's so now that's been.

That's a common theme in there and then and then. So it's funny that that's so now that's been.

My journey is always the element with me, this incredibly self made d I y, which again goes back to this thing that's a question that we haven't.

My journey is always the element with me, this incredibly self made d I y, which again goes back to this thing that's a question that we haven't.

I have one more quick question. Obviously you're in really good shape. I mean when you were a kid, did you play a lot of You seem like someone who'd be good at sports and that kind of stuff as well.

I have one more quick question. Obviously you're in really good shape. I mean when you were a kid, did you play a lot of You seem like someone who'd be good at sports and that kind of stuff as well.

The glass thank you, so I gets the government.

The glass thank you, so I gets the government.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've always been an art joke because there's nothing else to do.

I've always been an art joke because there's nothing else to do.

And I have quite what we call a hand i coordination, so it's fun to me. It's not you know, I can get quite decent or something. So I just I played, and that was all about my culture. I would be out of my house from the minute I could until the minute I had to be home for from nine in the morning, I'd be out until ten at night. From a from Befley eleven or twelve. You know, that's what everyone did. We just sit on the corner and where we lived and just sit out and either it will play football, go howny girls, to go to a local Jewish youth club that had a disco in it. Go to the disco Friday nights. You know, get like shitty fanca for like you know, twenty five pos and like you know, I have the boy boycott the dar Salare and let's play the specials or or any you know any time.

And I have quite what we call a hand i coordination, so it's fun to me. It's not you know, I can get quite decent or something. So I just I played, and that was all about my culture. I would be out of my house from the minute I could until the minute I had to be home for from nine in the morning, I'd be out until ten at night. From a from Befley eleven or twelve. You know, that's what everyone did. We just sit on the corner and where we lived and just sit out and either it will play football, go howny girls, to go to a local Jewish youth club that had a disco in it. Go to the disco Friday nights. You know, get like shitty fanca for like you know, twenty five pos and like you know, I have the boy boycott the dar Salare and let's play the specials or or any you know any time.

But they played solo or R and B to sit it out. It was It's a brilliant I was like age twelve.

But they played solo or R and B to sit it out. It was It's a brilliant I was like age twelve.

Okay, wow, yeah I did. I played guitar lot, but I didn't have the coordination for sports.

Okay, wow, yeah I did. I played guitar lot, but I didn't have the coordination for sports.

Yeah me, neither.

Yeah me, neither.

I don't. I'll never know what that's like.

I don't. I'll never know what that's like.

That's really nice.

That's really nice.

It's very you know, it's I play a lot of tennis style. So I mean today I was absolutely terrible, so it was not much fun.

It's very you know, it's I play a lot of tennis style. So I mean today I was absolutely terrible, so it was not much fun.

Today.

Today.

There was other things in life with buggy meat, so it just manifested in my tennis game.

There was other things in life with buggy meat, so it just manifested in my tennis game.

But normally it's very zen. I played.

But normally it's very zen. I played.

It's very nice. It's just very smooth and just a good workout. So today it was odd, but that's just how it got.

It's very nice. It's just very smooth and just a good workout. So today it was odd, but that's just how it got.

With the life.

With the life.

Probably you would be you were so much better than if you were playing us. You'd probably beat us really badly.

Probably you would be you were so much better than if you were playing us. You'd probably beat us really badly.

I should be playing you guys and tell me good.

I should be playing you guys and tell me good.

You would have felt great about your summer quality And yeah, who needs that person? That's not your friend, I do.

You would have felt great about your summer quality And yeah, who needs that person? That's not your friend, I do.

So that's good.

So that's good.

Well we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be back with our mystery topic with Kevin Roster.

Well we're going to take a quick break and then we'll be back with our mystery topic with Kevin Roster.

And we're back.

And we're back.

So, Gavin, you came at us with a topic that you know, it was one of my favorite topics in life, punk rock. And I'm curious, like how you got into punk rock. I know, obviously US versus UK punk rock is very different. What was your kind of path?

So, Gavin, you came at us with a topic that you know, it was one of my favorite topics in life, punk rock. And I'm curious, like how you got into punk rock. I know, obviously US versus UK punk rock is very different. What was your kind of path?

Well, my past of it was just being in the right time, right place.

Well, my past of it was just being in the right time, right place.

You know, everyone knows that the neo dolls were great inspiration for for you know, Malcolm and and then he goes back to London and the beginning of the sexhistals and all the stories and between the sex whistles are the greatest audi of all time. And he for me was a first and when we were kids, they were one on this TV shows.

You know, everyone knows that the neo dolls were great inspiration for for you know, Malcolm and and then he goes back to London and the beginning of the sexhistals and all the stories and between the sex whistles are the greatest audi of all time. And he for me was a first and when we were kids, they were one on this TV shows.

So basically went punk right. It was like really like a revolution.

So basically went punk right. It was like really like a revolution.

Now no one really cares, you know, like it's just normal for everyone to be weird and different and it's celebrated, you know, and it's except not. I think it's beautiful now and I see it in the community. Were event go So of people who are maybe some someone who wasn't confident in dressed in a really effeminate way. He's maybe larger sized. Now it feels really confident to where I really flamboy went outfit to a regular job and no one backs an island.

Now no one really cares, you know, like it's just normal for everyone to be weird and different and it's celebrated, you know, and it's except not. I think it's beautiful now and I see it in the community. Were event go So of people who are maybe some someone who wasn't confident in dressed in a really effeminate way. He's maybe larger sized. Now it feels really confident to where I really flamboy went outfit to a regular job and no one backs an island.

It was perfect. People are free. But when I was growing up, people were not through. And so when they went on to TV and went on the same show, Bill Grundy Show, and at the beginning, punk and these goes, what's wrong?

It was perfect. People are free. But when I was growing up, people were not through. And so when they went on to TV and went on the same show, Bill Grundy Show, and at the beginning, punk and these goes, what's wrong?

You know, what we've got to say is all sex was in there go on dirty fucker and they called him to call them dirty fucker whatever it is, And there was this hour is in the newspapers. It was that this culture. And my sister I have an older sisters, so she knew she was a really good punk and so all the friends. So I was like the token kid at the twelve year old get used to egg white and our hair. Egg white would make him stick up straight. There's outside my house again, the whole blackwell weird thing about places that knew. Do you know if you're supported, like you know, Bill Gates had the access to the University of Washington computers. You know, it's like II the access to the thirty one bus. It was right outside the south. They went down to World's End in Chelsea where they had Teditionaries, where Malcolm and Vivian had the shop.

You know, what we've got to say is all sex was in there go on dirty fucker and they called him to call them dirty fucker whatever it is, And there was this hour is in the newspapers. It was that this culture. And my sister I have an older sisters, so she knew she was a really good punk and so all the friends. So I was like the token kid at the twelve year old get used to egg white and our hair. Egg white would make him stick up straight. There's outside my house again, the whole blackwell weird thing about places that knew. Do you know if you're supported, like you know, Bill Gates had the access to the University of Washington computers. You know, it's like II the access to the thirty one bus. It was right outside the south. They went down to World's End in Chelsea where they had Teditionaries, where Malcolm and Vivian had the shop.

I went in there once. It was the end of it. But this is all the teds, the Teds, teddy boys would be down and they'd be against the punks. And so going down there thirty one, my sister put a egg in my hair.

I went in there once. It was the end of it. But this is all the teds, the Teds, teddy boys would be down and they'd be against the punks. And so going down there thirty one, my sister put a egg in my hair.

Get up a big kid watching all these people and this this this revolution is happening, like a revelar youth revolution. And so road me like I Repenserlier is a shop called Mansies, and every week I could go in there with my pocket money for my dad. Were doing whatever I would do. They costing a fifty and like a pounds and this little seven inches they got always amazing seven inches, you know, and the X ray specs of zillows, the clash.

Get up a big kid watching all these people and this this this revolution is happening, like a revelar youth revolution. And so road me like I Repenserlier is a shop called Mansies, and every week I could go in there with my pocket money for my dad. Were doing whatever I would do. They costing a fifty and like a pounds and this little seven inches they got always amazing seven inches, you know, and the X ray specs of zillows, the clash.

Sex whistles, Bob Marley. Because as we know in England, the.

Sex whistles, Bob Marley. Because as we know in England, the.

Lack of punk records meant that if you went to punk clubs or punk things, which I couldn't go so.

Lack of punk records meant that if you went to punk clubs or punk things, which I couldn't go so.

It was too young. With my sister would go.

It was too young. With my sister would go.

So I'd beg to me who walk on there, I'd be, you know, just that runt outside places that were happening. And they always played reggae in West London South Systems, so there's like lots of parties with dub parties.

So I'd beg to me who walk on there, I'd be, you know, just that runt outside places that were happening. And they always played reggae in West London South Systems, so there's like lots of parties with dub parties.

So that was the thing. Drink reb stripe, you know, and that's you know that the clash obviously went off.

So that was the thing. Drink reb stripe, you know, and that's you know that the clash obviously went off.

With Sam and Miss Sound did that record with Simon Robbie out there right and whether I slow down, slow down mind?

With Sam and Miss Sound did that record with Simon Robbie out there right and whether I slow down, slow down mind?

So I was obsessed with reggae, still have obsessed with reggae. Every base sine I had to do in my brain is just a dub baseline.

So I was obsessed with reggae, still have obsessed with reggae. Every base sine I had to do in my brain is just a dub baseline.

It's just dub. So I was saying that I don't want to make punk music. I think the idol was I've carried a torch brilliantly, you know, to sort of that punk's punk sound. Well, I wish I could be idols, but I think they're amazing bad. But with me, the reason that I did I didn't do. I came up in a culture of britpop.

It's just dub. So I was saying that I don't want to make punk music. I think the idol was I've carried a torch brilliantly, you know, to sort of that punk's punk sound. Well, I wish I could be idols, but I think they're amazing bad. But with me, the reason that I did I didn't do. I came up in a culture of britpop.

You know.

You know.

The reason I chose heavier music and guitars and distortion is because that's how I saw the natural progression of energy and vitality and performance. And that's the whole reason why it wasn't I wanted to be I've got to get to Seattle.

The reason I chose heavier music and guitars and distortion is because that's how I saw the natural progression of energy and vitality and performance. And that's the whole reason why it wasn't I wanted to be I've got to get to Seattle.

It was like, No, the rock bands that I got inspired by showed me you could do rock music. It was more like punk music. It was like there had been Oh, you want to do rock music.

It was like, No, the rock bands that I got inspired by showed me you could do rock music. It was more like punk music. It was like there had been Oh, you want to do rock music.

Look at this is when guns and Roses and that sunset straight a higher thing? Do you know what that that scene? I was like, Oh, maybe that's not the kind of rock that connects to me. You know, my death Leopard, It's not my kind of thing. I like, you know, the Jesus Lizard, you know. I like the kind of off kilter stuff Pixies.

Look at this is when guns and Roses and that sunset straight a higher thing? Do you know what that that scene? I was like, Oh, maybe that's not the kind of rock that connects to me. You know, my death Leopard, It's not my kind of thing. I like, you know, the Jesus Lizard, you know. I like the kind of off kilter stuff Pixies.

And then, because I also just have a love of whatever out of love, I put those melodies that I like on top of that music. And now even like gone even more sort of dressed and be chin but the energy, the punk energy. And often I'll.

And then, because I also just have a love of whatever out of love, I put those melodies that I like on top of that music. And now even like gone even more sort of dressed and be chin but the energy, the punk energy. And often I'll.

Finish the lyric of a song and I will say, is it as good as We'll run through any Johnny Lydon lyrics. I'll think of that, not be like yes or no it's not, or just like punch it up in certain places or Bowie.

Finish the lyric of a song and I will say, is it as good as We'll run through any Johnny Lydon lyrics. I'll think of that, not be like yes or no it's not, or just like punch it up in certain places or Bowie.

I'll do that with Bowie.

I'll do that with Bowie.

I always measure myself against those two and I never get there.

I always measure myself against those two and I never get there.

But it's a great direction. It's really good.

But it's a great direction. It's really good.

Direct, absolutely. I mean I'm curious, I'm curious or just really quick. You know, this is our y kind of nostalgic. But you know, sixteen Stone comes out in ninety four, that's the same year like Green Day, Doochie, off Spring, Smash, this sort of like new punk thing comes out. Did you feel any connection to those kind of bands at all?

Direct, absolutely. I mean I'm curious, I'm curious or just really quick. You know, this is our y kind of nostalgic. But you know, sixteen Stone comes out in ninety four, that's the same year like Green Day, Doochie, off Spring, Smash, this sort of like new punk thing comes out. Did you feel any connection to those kind of bands at all?

No, not exactly the opposite, because I felt that public image had shown the way if you wanted to do punk, you should follow. Was a godfather of punk or as he was going his Dinah's journey, so I thought it just wasn't quite as you know, he got. He made punk interesting, he took the punk icon and he went you know, and that was just it, my god. You know, both Green Day and Offspring, you know, really incredible, so talented and incredible song was and great writers they fucking know, really good and then really successful. They desired it. So in terms of you know, I felt a bit like it's a bit prenetic for me, you know, I like the I like just other things, you know, So but for respect to them O, you know, and Green Days specifically, such well crafted songs really, you know, in any genre, and.

No, not exactly the opposite, because I felt that public image had shown the way if you wanted to do punk, you should follow. Was a godfather of punk or as he was going his Dinah's journey, so I thought it just wasn't quite as you know, he got. He made punk interesting, he took the punk icon and he went you know, and that was just it, my god. You know, both Green Day and Offspring, you know, really incredible, so talented and incredible song was and great writers they fucking know, really good and then really successful. They desired it. So in terms of you know, I felt a bit like it's a bit prenetic for me, you know, I like the I like just other things, you know, So but for respect to them O, you know, and Green Days specifically, such well crafted songs really, you know, in any genre, and.

You have to salute the level of writing.

You have to salute the level of writing.

You totally now, something very punk that you did, very very punk action that you took was this moment that my my good friend Alex Rickenback always brings up because it's like his favorite thing in the world is when you played MTV spring Break and it was a big thunderstorm and you went out there by yourself and I guess risked your life a little bit. Do you remember that moment still and do you remember being scared?

You totally now, something very punk that you did, very very punk action that you took was this moment that my my good friend Alex Rickenback always brings up because it's like his favorite thing in the world is when you played MTV spring Break and it was a big thunderstorm and you went out there by yourself and I guess risked your life a little bit. Do you remember that moment still and do you remember being scared?

Yeah?

Yeah?

But it was a weird one because I absolutely first of all, I telled the truth. I thought, like this is this is you have to understand that. The backstory is I'd had like huh, so many years of failure, so much failure, like a steamy like Fugazi steady diet. Nothing had a steady diet of failure an injection. And so that was the way, you know, the first couple of years of like oh my god, you know you want an idiot like everyone said, or you had more than everyone said, and you you know you So I was in this incredible upswing in my life, I really and as it started to rain, I was like, I was like, is this how I'm going to die?

But it was a weird one because I absolutely first of all, I telled the truth. I thought, like this is this is you have to understand that. The backstory is I'd had like huh, so many years of failure, so much failure, like a steamy like Fugazi steady diet. Nothing had a steady diet of failure an injection. And so that was the way, you know, the first couple of years of like oh my god, you know you want an idiot like everyone said, or you had more than everyone said, and you you know you So I was in this incredible upswing in my life, I really and as it started to rain, I was like, I was like, is this how I'm going to die?

Because don't you die? Don't you get electricies?

Because don't you die? Don't you get electricies?

I was like I think I might, And then I couldn't help but sort of indulge that Martyran thing and thinking, well, that's one fucking hell of a way to go, you know. That's like, you know, it was like seduced for a minute. But it was so wet, and I remember that the guitar felt honestly if you if you were holding strings in your hand and somebody poured water on it. So I couldn't believe that it made sense to move my fingers to make a cord because it's like, so I came off actually.

I was like I think I might, And then I couldn't help but sort of indulge that Martyran thing and thinking, well, that's one fucking hell of a way to go, you know. That's like, you know, it was like seduced for a minute. But it was so wet, and I remember that the guitar felt honestly if you if you were holding strings in your hand and somebody poured water on it. So I couldn't believe that it made sense to move my fingers to make a cord because it's like, so I came off actually.

Worry that it had sound disastrous. You know.

Worry that it had sound disastrous. You know.

I was like what I was like, first off, I'm alive, so buonous, but let's work on the sound. This sound was terrible. You need to like do we need to substitute?

I was like what I was like, first off, I'm alive, so buonous, but let's work on the sound. This sound was terrible. You need to like do we need to substitute?

You know.

You know.

It was like a bit paranoid about the sound because it felt really rid, just played by physical position memory, positional memory, rather than hearing any thing or being clear. So yeah, it felt the wild matrix like mavel to Beer.

It was like a bit paranoid about the sound because it felt really rid, just played by physical position memory, positional memory, rather than hearing any thing or being clear. So yeah, it felt the wild matrix like mavel to Beer.

Yeah, well it sounded great and you look dangerous. Yeah, and you looked so cool, like I've never seen someone look. I think it's like the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah, well it sounded great and you look dangerous. Yeah, and you looked so cool, like I've never seen someone look. I think it's like the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

So if only they put me there again.

So if only they put me there again.

A little bit of a different vibe there now, I think you're too cool for that. God bless them TV though.

A little bit of a different vibe there now, I think you're too cool for that. God bless them TV though.

Yeah, and do those those awards shows like I know you guys played machine Head at the VMA's Coal Contagious at the Movie Awards. Do those shows like does that feel different than just a regular bush? Like does it sound ever good? Are those always weird? Like all this time and then you just get up and play for five minutes.

Yeah, and do those those awards shows like I know you guys played machine Head at the VMA's Coal Contagious at the Movie Awards. Do those shows like does that feel different than just a regular bush? Like does it sound ever good? Are those always weird? Like all this time and then you just get up and play for five minutes.

Oh No, They're incredible because it's just even for me.

Oh No, They're incredible because it's just even for me.

Are and I love doing the things we did the tonight show Jimmy Fallon or I did it with a string section and a month ago, so it's so much fun.

Are and I love doing the things we did the tonight show Jimmy Fallon or I did it with a string section and a month ago, so it's so much fun.

You know, like six and a half million people watch that.

You know, like six and a half million people watch that.

It's just like, you know, that doesn't so fun to be a situation where people can do that.

It's just like, you know, that doesn't so fun to be a situation where people can do that.

So now it's just it's great and it's so much a nice age.

So now it's just it's great and it's so much a nice age.

I remember one time years ago, I was driving to I think I've done the Snider Show like gen level we did like fourteen times or something, and like I remember when I first was beginning. I was right driving along on Fifth Aven and we're going to take the Tonight show and my stomach was like upside down and I was like so like, like why are you doing? This is the beginning of our career. I was like, why did you put this lunch pressure on yourself? And looked over and saw someone like with their lunch box at the light crossing street, and I thought, yeah, but it's so excited. I think to childe yourself, pressure being a privilege and pressure being an exciting like of course you can aim where there's not much expectively, Like for instance, when I was doing music for all those years, I didn't was successful. I worked on building sites and I painted houses and dentists offices where the job was, and so I was really careful to never work in any capacity in any job where there was a.

I remember one time years ago, I was driving to I think I've done the Snider Show like gen level we did like fourteen times or something, and like I remember when I first was beginning. I was right driving along on Fifth Aven and we're going to take the Tonight show and my stomach was like upside down and I was like so like, like why are you doing? This is the beginning of our career. I was like, why did you put this lunch pressure on yourself? And looked over and saw someone like with their lunch box at the light crossing street, and I thought, yeah, but it's so excited. I think to childe yourself, pressure being a privilege and pressure being an exciting like of course you can aim where there's not much expectively, Like for instance, when I was doing music for all those years, I didn't was successful. I worked on building sites and I painted houses and dentists offices where the job was, and so I was really careful to never work in any capacity in any job where there was a.

Future, so away from music. Mistally, I was just like fifty bucks a day in a out five see it and it's good. So yeah, I was just functioning.

Future, so away from music. Mistally, I was just like fifty bucks a day in a out five see it and it's good. So yeah, I was just functioning.

You that's incredible.

You that's incredible.

I mean, I'm curious like you know, I've heard you say, you know, you're saying Bush isn't necessarily a punk band, but punk at a big influence on you. And it seems like there is a lot of crossover with Bush, like making recor with Steve Albini Chris Trainer being in Helmet. I remember I saw an interview you said Schillac was one of your favorite bands and you took and you see them like have you always been into this kind of darker, more kind.

I mean, I'm curious like you know, I've heard you say, you know, you're saying Bush isn't necessarily a punk band, but punk at a big influence on you. And it seems like there is a lot of crossover with Bush, like making recor with Steve Albini Chris Trainer being in Helmet. I remember I saw an interview you said Schillac was one of your favorite bands and you took and you see them like have you always been into this kind of darker, more kind.

Of mood carried on? That's my point about it.

Of mood carried on? That's my point about it.

That's why I like, you know, from my from my taste, those bands, those are the punk bands, like Jesus is a punk band, but like with Finesse, you know, and with musicianship and I know that sort of anti concepts of punk because it's really like a couple of cards and their attitude.

That's why I like, you know, from my from my taste, those bands, those are the punk bands, like Jesus is a punk band, but like with Finesse, you know, and with musicianship and I know that sort of anti concepts of punk because it's really like a couple of cards and their attitude.

But it is nice when things get elevated.

But it is nice when things get elevated.

And you know, Dwayne Denison was amazing guitar play, so I always loved to style.

And you know, Dwayne Denison was amazing guitar play, so I always loved to style.

I think with the.

I think with the.

Pixies, you know, with the great music, throwing music's it's just it's a little it's just it's it's interesting music to me. But I think the Steve I just liked. It's always the spirits of those. It just felt like Fergazzi as well, you know, because Figazzi had the rock and had the bad brains, they had the sg's and they had the the w feel and had the kind of like that journey of punk where it got to super dancing and cool and you know, regards these more just incredible bad. So I just think that's in there. And weirdly enough, when I try to write, I have a different filter system and I can't write quite as edgy as there, so my my version or interpretation of that esthetic comes out and possibly like a more. I have a different background, so sometimes things like I went.

Pixies, you know, with the great music, throwing music's it's just it's a little it's just it's it's interesting music to me. But I think the Steve I just liked. It's always the spirits of those. It just felt like Fergazzi as well, you know, because Figazzi had the rock and had the bad brains, they had the sg's and they had the the w feel and had the kind of like that journey of punk where it got to super dancing and cool and you know, regards these more just incredible bad. So I just think that's in there. And weirdly enough, when I try to write, I have a different filter system and I can't write quite as edgy as there, so my my version or interpretation of that esthetic comes out and possibly like a more. I have a different background, so sometimes things like I went.

To school every day and I did Latin hymns into Latin, so I think that I have natural cadence. I'm a complete atheist.

To school every day and I did Latin hymns into Latin, so I think that I have natural cadence. I'm a complete atheist.

I mean, you could not find anyone more atheistic than I. I'm a really conscious kind person. I don't want to you know what I mean.

I mean, you could not find anyone more atheistic than I. I'm a really conscious kind person. I don't want to you know what I mean.

It doesn't like.

It doesn't like.

The concept of ungodly is like you know, bar back, not remotely bar But you know, I still had to go to church every day, and I think that those hymns and I love English kids, you know the kind of Jerusalem all those things they gave that was my musical training. Sometimes it's hard being away from natural cadences that I've put into Bush that made Bush like more commercial or palatable, more known. On a commercial sensor said, which's a lizard because it's daily Yo network to church.

The concept of ungodly is like you know, bar back, not remotely bar But you know, I still had to go to church every day, and I think that those hymns and I love English kids, you know the kind of Jerusalem all those things they gave that was my musical training. Sometimes it's hard being away from natural cadences that I've put into Bush that made Bush like more commercial or palatable, more known. On a commercial sensor said, which's a lizard because it's daily Yo network to church.

He's not married to them. I'm friends with him. I love is In my last video, did you've seen in the video Nowhere to Go?

He's not married to them. I'm friends with him. I love is In my last video, did you've seen in the video Nowhere to Go?

But everywhere is the David plays a scientist, So there you go. Fun fact that no one else seemed to care about it just think so yeah, so that that sensibility isn't there, and it's you know, it's always in their word.

But everywhere is the David plays a scientist, So there you go. Fun fact that no one else seemed to care about it just think so yeah, so that that sensibility isn't there, and it's you know, it's always in their word.

Bashing a chorus.

Bashing a chorus.

It's always in there when I'm performing, because I performed very confrontationally in the sense of not I'm not physically confrontational, but I'm present. I'm looking at people's eyes. It's I'm really in your face. Do you know what I mean?

It's always in there when I'm performing, because I performed very confrontationally in the sense of not I'm not physically confrontational, but I'm present. I'm looking at people's eyes. It's I'm really in your face. Do you know what I mean?

You can't. You're in the front row and I'm singing to you. You know.

You can't. You're in the front row and I'm singing to you. You know.

It slightly has that awkward feeling and sometimes people get unnerved, like they're going to be singled out by a comedian or something.

It slightly has that awkward feeling and sometimes people get unnerved, like they're going to be singled out by a comedian or something.

You know, so great, right, don't look at me. But it's really it's all I've got.

You know, so great, right, don't look at me. But it's really it's all I've got.

When I'm looking at person, I'm like, that's all I've got, And you know, so I make it super intense and super awkward sometimes, but.

When I'm looking at person, I'm like, that's all I've got, And you know, so I make it super intense and super awkward sometimes, but.

It's it's fucking strong, you know, because people like to make you just stare at them and hold their gaze through, you know, thirty seconds of singing. It's like they start being you know, okay, they stop looking. You know, I'm feeling awkward.

It's it's fucking strong, you know, because people like to make you just stare at them and hold their gaze through, you know, thirty seconds of singing. It's like they start being you know, okay, they stop looking. You know, I'm feeling awkward.

Probably if it was me, i'd be so I'd be like, I'm so cool that you're doing.

Probably if it was me, i'd be so I'd be like, I'm so cool that you're doing.

People. People stop that wonderful moments. It's very immuti.

People. People stop that wonderful moments. It's very immuti.

That's not me.

That's not me.

It's great moments. And so my goal is to have these great moments all over the place. It's like shouts of connections everywhere that I create everywhere, and I'll go back to people and I'll find people who I think more sympathetic. If I see a crowd in the area, people that's more than the next lot, I'm going to go back and I'm going to perform to them. But I don't do that. And that's how I hope you infiltrate a crowd. Yeah, yeah, Whereas if you don't connect. You have none of those connections, none of those bridges to people or whatever. Their life wrong. So you call that whatever, how do you expect to connect with them?

It's great moments. And so my goal is to have these great moments all over the place. It's like shouts of connections everywhere that I create everywhere, and I'll go back to people and I'll find people who I think more sympathetic. If I see a crowd in the area, people that's more than the next lot, I'm going to go back and I'm going to perform to them. But I don't do that. And that's how I hope you infiltrate a crowd. Yeah, yeah, Whereas if you don't connect. You have none of those connections, none of those bridges to people or whatever. Their life wrong. So you call that whatever, how do you expect to connect with them?

You just slid out. It's the ether right right right, they're looking at you.

You just slid out. It's the ether right right right, they're looking at you.

There's no there's no there's no connection. There's not the same connection as when you've forced people to really stare at you, because you're like, you're looking at me.

There's no there's no there's no connection. There's not the same connection as when you've forced people to really stare at you, because you're like, you're looking at me.

It's so funny. Whenever I've been on the stage performing, I always look into the lights because I don't I think looking at people makes is going to make me mess up. But I'm doing something much easier in dumber than you. But you know, I wanted to ask you as a fan. One of my favorite songs is Glisserine, and I feel very connected to it. I think it's a great song, but will you explain it a little bit? The lyrics of it, meaning the glycerine is it? Are you referencing?

It's so funny. Whenever I've been on the stage performing, I always look into the lights because I don't I think looking at people makes is going to make me mess up. But I'm doing something much easier in dumber than you. But you know, I wanted to ask you as a fan. One of my favorite songs is Glisserine, and I feel very connected to it. I think it's a great song, but will you explain it a little bit? The lyrics of it, meaning the glycerine is it? Are you referencing?

Well? That to me was like I didn't nitro listen.

Well? That to me was like I didn't nitro listen.

So I thought the idea that someone is like a situation is is like a ticking time bomb, like a situation.

So I thought the idea that someone is like a situation is is like a ticking time bomb, like a situation.

Yeah, so just that.

Yeah, so just that.

But I'm a firm believer and that song has been so incredible for me, but I think that when you put it out to the universe, it becomes everyone else's song.

But I'm a firm believer and that song has been so incredible for me, but I think that when you put it out to the universe, it becomes everyone else's song.

It's yeah because I because people like me are like, what is it about?

It's yeah because I because people like me are like, what is it about?

Well, but I mean I'm never alone when I'm alone at the time that everyone.

Well, but I mean I'm never alone when I'm alone at the time that everyone.

Yeah, that stuff really the glycerine. I guess the chorus of it isn't that?

Yeah, that stuff really the glycerine. I guess the chorus of it isn't that?

Yeah, like, oh you know, this is an flower. I could have said, this is an inflammatory situation. It's going to end bad people.

Yeah, like, oh you know, this is an flower. I could have said, this is an inflammatory situation. It's going to end bad people.

I couldn't see right, right, right, right right, that's the subject. Okay, okay for honestly, Pumpkins by s Latte basic people like me. That's really helpful.

I couldn't see right, right, right, right right, that's the subject. Okay, okay for honestly, Pumpkins by s Latte basic people like me. That's really helpful.

On that note, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with Kevin R.

On that note, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with Kevin R.

Do you have any kind of sweet sweet treats or anything like that on your writer when you go on tour. I'm always curious about people's writers.

Do you have any kind of sweet sweet treats or anything like that on your writer when you go on tour. I'm always curious about people's writers.

Are you pretty halry?

Are you pretty halry?

The problem with the writer is that it's every day so yeah, that's but we do get they get a massive thing of the eminems and it's usually I was seven six to one, the ratio that is six days where I pretend I double on the eminems, much.

The problem with the writer is that it's every day so yeah, that's but we do get they get a massive thing of the eminems and it's usually I was seven six to one, the ratio that is six days where I pretend I double on the eminems, much.

Like the law rested.

Like the law rested.

You know, yeah, I will rest my case and give into the eminems. And one problem with me is I'm fine, but only sugar. It's all good for me. I like turn into a sort of a crack fiend for ye Like I've got one in the covers. I'm going through the kids going home the thing. I'm like, there must be some dried up pastors.

You know, yeah, I will rest my case and give into the eminems. And one problem with me is I'm fine, but only sugar. It's all good for me. I like turn into a sort of a crack fiend for ye Like I've got one in the covers. I'm going through the kids going home the thing. I'm like, there must be some dried up pastors.

In here I can have.

In here I can have.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm.

Yeah, I'm.

You know, squashed, squashed. Uh she's kisses or something. Yeah. Yeah, that's more of a smooth than the kiss.

You know, squashed, squashed. Uh she's kisses or something. Yeah. Yeah, that's more of a smooth than the kiss.

Sure, sure, sure, that's a great way to do things. Six and one. That's so smart. And then you know it's coming, so you feel like you can wait. But yeah, nothing's better.

Sure, sure, sure, that's a great way to do things. Six and one. That's so smart. And then you know it's coming, so you feel like you can wait. But yeah, nothing's better.

I never make that.

I never make that.

I don't think for one second I achieved that. It's just my intention. I got one night off, and I think four nights on was perfectly justifiable.

I don't think for one second I achieved that. It's just my intention. I got one night off, and I think four nights on was perfectly justifiable.

Yeah, I think that's great. I think that's better than mine.

Yeah, I think that's great. I think that's better than mine.

I got tracked on Friday with my manager and we kind.

I got tracked on Friday with my manager and we kind.

Of fun went to the Oscars night at our agency, Uta and I have the Hill Party in the Hills. It was so grand, it was so sort of life in the last Land and Hilarias and like and I bashed it's we had a good time. And so I just this weekend I didn't drink.

Of fun went to the Oscars night at our agency, Uta and I have the Hill Party in the Hills. It was so grand, it was so sort of life in the last Land and Hilarias and like and I bashed it's we had a good time. And so I just this weekend I didn't drink.

I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, balance. We're just going for a bit of balance.

I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, balance. We're just going for a bit of balance.

A bit of balance.

A bit of balance.

That's it.

That's it.

That's all we can ask for. I'm represented at UTA too, and I know a few people who went to that party, and my agents didn't invite me.

That's all we can ask for. I'm represented at UTA too, and I know a few people who went to that party, and my agents didn't invite me.

So well, you'd be a right, you'd be all right, you could put that film away.

So well, you'd be a right, you'd be all right, you could put that film away.

Yeah, I'm really amazing. My music agent from England. I hang out with her. Oh wow, right, she's so nice Sam. So I end love having a good time. But all of those things that I went to load the Grammys things as well. And if you don't, I prefer house parties and like friends because if you go to industry parties, literally everyone's just surviving and says for the whole time walking through the party looking for someone who might be the person they want to talk to, right right, And everyone's in a sort of a migrational sort of social system, and you bash into people every now and again, and it's not bad going out.