Hi. I'm Vanessa Beyor and this is my brother Jonah. Were two siblings who love to talk about our childhood and nostalgia and how it shaped us into the people we are today who are pretty good friends to others. If I do say so myself, welcome to how did we get Weird? So Jonah, I was thinking about this kind of plays into our topic with our incredible guest today. But I was thinking about when we were kids and you used to sit for hours and play I believe it was this game called King's Quest. Oh yeah, King's Quest. It was like kind of a medieval kind of game where you had to walk around and then you had to you kind of just talk to people, like you had to like ask people where key was and then all this stuff. It was. It was a slow moving game. And do you remember that the place that you would play the game was where we had our honestly now very cool but at the time took a break in being cool while we were teens. But we had an Apple computer. Would you call it a macintosh at the time, it was a it was an Apple to c that's right. And it was in our guest room, which later would turn into your bedroom, and we had like that big like entertainment center thing with it in it, and I just remember it always being really dark in that room. It was dark and just you playing King's Quest in the dark and me just like sitting by the side and kind of like sitting next to you and watching, and then it would or like slightly behind you. That was kind of setup for like the refer video games through yeah, as boring of a game that was to play, imagine much more boring just to watch someone else. But well, I just remember that there were a couple of times that I tried to play it like on my own, and I just didn't understand it at all, Like it was like you needed so many codes and stuff, and I remember being like excited to play it without you, but then like it was a kind of thing where I just had no idea what to do. You needed like kind of a guide, like there would be these kind of cheak guides that would kind of tell you who to talk to do, because otherwise you're just like kind of wandering around in the woods exactly exactly which is you know, I've said on this podcast before, how I am with like modern video games where I'm just set it before, I'll say it against standing. It'st the Wall squatting. Yeah, well, I think I think we've got a lot of similar, nostalgic, fun media stuff to talk about with our guests today. So let's let's get into it. And I'm sure i'll mention Danny against the Wall Squatting as a character. Our guests might be better video games than than you know, yeah, maybe a little better than than I would, maybe even better than you were. Jonah, It's possible. It's definitely possible. Today our guest is a talented comedian writer who create and hosted the true TV show Adam Wins Everything. More recently, the Netflix series The G Word with Adam Conover. Let's give it up for you? Guessed it Adam Conover, Adam, how's it going? Hey? Hello, I'm very happy to be here. Great. Did that's story bring back any kind of memories for you from your Did you do a lot of game and as a kid? Oh? I played every video game and I still do. Would you remember which King's quest this was that you played? Great question, is a great question. I don't remember. I want to say like around four, maybe pretty early on, because those games were pretty unfair. I wouldn't say that I would just wander around in the woods, but yeah, you did. You could lock yourself out of being able to complete it and stuff like that. Apple to see that would have been pretty early, and the earlier games were worse. So I've definitely had that experience. That was not a fun, fun gaming platform. Really. No V and Vanessa were talking before this another game we had or sound if it was the lemonade stand game. Did you ever play that one? Is this like one of the games where it's like how much do you want the lemonade to be? And you type in five cents? It's like that it's serve a little bit of kind of like a calculator, but for selling lemonade. Yes, yes, you had spend all this time calculating how much to make the price, and then after like a week, like would be like a rainstorm came by destroy your lemonad stand. Yes, oh yeah, that was so rude. And this is a format of game that was later adapted into a game very famous, almost sort of folk game called Dope Wars. Do you guys remember Dope Wars at all? So this is a game. It was the same style of game where it's like you know, how much do you want to buy and sell for? But it was about selling drugs, like it would be like you can buy you go to one corner and it was like I'm gonna buy five heroin and three cocaines and then you'd go to a different corner and you could sell them for like a larger price and stuff like that. But the reason I called a folk game was because it only existed, at least in my school on graphic calculators. So remember the graphic calculators you would have to have in like calculus, Yeah, Texas instruments, Yeah, exactly. I eight one, I think I had. Most kids are on the internet yet, so just one kid would have on his calculator copy this game that he got from his cousin or whatever, and then he would copy on everybody else's and in math class, instead of paying attention, you could um sell code. Right was it completely rudimentary, just like little text interface of like oh no, the cops are on you. You are dead? You know. It was just like texts written to you right right right right? No, I don't remember ever, really plenty games on my graphing calculator. Oh you didn't know the bad kids then, yeah, I guess. Because the other thing you could do on a graphing calculator, if you'll recall, is you could cheat. You could enter like answers to tests and stuff, mostly math tests on your graph and calculator. Would be so weird to pull out a graphing calculator during like a biology test, but you could put answers on your and I remember sometimes like remember how they were open book tests, Like sometimes you were allowed to have your graphing calculator. Was kind of like, if you were smart enough and took the time to put the answers into your calculator, go ahead and cheat. But like a lot of times you weren't allowed, or like the teacher would come around and make sure you were only using your graphing calculator to do math, you weren't like reading stuff off of it that was answers. See, I wasn't bad enough to know how to cheat using my graphic calculator. I just used it to play like Breakout and Dope Wars when I was supposed to be Yeah, I think that's cool. Yeah, I wasn't really cheating either, Except Jonah, did you ever take Global Studies with I think Mr Lane, this might have been a little advanced for me. I was in the kind of basically I didn't go to that school unfortunately, so I don't know. I don't know, Mr. We didn't take global studies. It was like a class where it was like so accepted to cheat. It was like Jonah and I love to take down the Cleveland Plane Dealer, the local newspaper, and every Friday we would take their like weekly news quiz that was in the Plane Dealer, and we would grade each other's quizzes, and then we would just give each other like a hundred percents. And then every so often Mr Lane would give us diagrams of like the entire world and have us like fill in like these really tiny like continents and stuff. So we would just like all kind of like asking. It was so weird. Cheating was so accepted. And then like we heard a few years later that like he started like really cracking down and cheating, and it was like, well, then change your curriculum, idiot. Sorry, I don't like to call our teacher's idiots. I know they worked really hard, so be more idiots. Just like we can accept this. Look, I don't really mean idiot. But Mr Leane, I don't feel like I need to defend a ton Well you're saying maybe change the curriculum versus like cracking down on the student. Yeah, don't make it impossible. Like to be fair, the plain dealer quizzes on Fridays were not impossible. Those we could have probably, but he could have taken the initiative to grade them himself and then we wouldn't have cheated. But so I am blaming that on him. But the geography stuff, I felt like, this is such like minutia geography or give us a heads up that the quizzes coming. Yeah, fair enough, they were more pop quizzes. I don't think I made that clear, But yeah, Adam, I had another question for you. Um, you know something I did a lot when I was in high school was playing bands, play guitar. I read that you know you were in a band? Is that true? Where you kind of a musician when you were that age? Yes? Where did you read this? This shouldn't be available information that I was in the band. This is not the first time that is having to be in an interview. And I want to know what website or did you call my mom, well, how did you how did your Yeah? Yeah, she told me, yeah, yeah, there was some And I noticed in your we were talking before the podcast about your most recent Patagonia video. I noticed a guitar hanging on the wall. So this is kind of just some stuff that I picked up on as well. It seems like you're a music guy, a little very observant. Yeah. I was in a band in high school, but I was the singer. I didn't play guitar, and I didn't know how to play good or I didn't know how to play guitar. Well, I was trying to learn how to play. But then the guitar player in the band was like kind of mean to me because I was learning to play, Like he was like, oh, you're trying to play guitar. Oh boy? Were you like, yeah, some bands have two guitars, You'll still be the lead guitarist. You absolutely. High school boys are awful, you know. But he was really into the Velvet Underground and Sonic youth. This is like post Nirvana kind of like you know, indie rock, all rock kind of stuff, and I was into like funny folk music. So our band was really weird. Do you remember do you remember your band's most popular song? Wow? For your favorite song the band's most popular. So we did a cover of Jesus and Mary Chaine song and now I'm blanking on the name. I did like singing it, and we had some originals as well, but I wouldn't don't want to describe those as popular. Nobody liked them. Got It, Got It? Did you have a favorite of the originals? Oh, my gosh, I don't think so. The one that comes to mind the most was and this is what I'm saying with funny folk music, there's a folks singer named Dan Byrne. I don't know if you ever heard of Dan Burne. I really liked him, and we covered one of his songs, and I really liked singing it because it had a lot of I thought it was funny. The chorus was I've got Big Balls was The chorus of the song was a song called Tiger Woods. And I enjoyed doing it because I got laughs when I did it, which is kind of contrary to the point of the rest of the band. It sounds like your band had the most success in doing covers. Yes, we were high school students, and as we were not good songwriters, so the covers tended be better than the song we tried to write. Jonah, you're a high school band that did Battle of the Bands. Were you doing a cover or were you doing an original song? Do you remember? I'm sorry. I feel like I'm trolling you both about your adam. Just to bring you back. I had punk band and played a talent show. Our singer spitting the audience started mosh bit. They tried to end the whole talent show circuit. We did originals, although I do remember one year we had an audition and we did the offspring. Self esteem was a big song. Okay, but Jonah, do you remember what your most favorite original song was? My goal in all of this is to get one of you to sing an original high school Yeah, I'm not doing anything. I should not be doing that, But Jonah, give us a name at least. Was it like my flesh hurts? Yeah, my flesh shirts? So that was it? Yeah, okay, Jonah, that's not fair. Tell us a real one. We had a song about Mayfield Road, which was a road by us that there was always a lot of construction on and we had fifteen and so that was like the thing that were. We had a song about the traffic on Mayfield Road that was probably one that sticks. O. Hey, I guess I understand why you don't want to sing one I had. I'll say. My band we put out a cassette that we recorded ourselves. And this was the technology at the time. We had an eight track or I guess at four track whatever, like a little thing we could record to, you know, different instruments, but we just recorded it to one cassette, you know what I mean. We there was no ability to edit or mix it. We all just all played simultaneously recorded it to a set, and then we released the cassette by just copying it to other cassettes on our like tape deck boom boxes that we all had in our high school bedrooms. And so this is how we reproduced this thing. We photocopied the cover and stuff like that. But it was like Quotation Marks released on our friends Quotation Marks record label that he had that was like his punk rock record label. This is in like after we graduated high school. He like made a website for the record label and like kept putting out seven inches and so of d I Y punk music and stuff like that, which is like to his credit, but he made a very good website, and the website lists our tape as one of the releases. And I discovered this in like two thousand seven. List the cassette tape had a you know, scan of the cover, a track listing, and m P three's of all the songs. I don't put that on the internet. There was like a very sad and slow like song I wrote for a girl on there that was like way too earnest and like very embarrassing and like that shouldn't be that should not be up there. And I unfortunately cannot tell you the name of the band or the record label because your listeners might go find it and I don't want them pay. Yeah, that's not really fair because you were around that was pre Internet, where not everything was accessible and able to find. So you should not have to suffer that the way people do today. Should not. Do you think that he put it up there because of like your success now like that? Maybe? No? No, no, because he uploaded in like two thousand seven to eight, and I just looked it up, and this tape that I recorded when I was seventeen years old is currently there's a band camp page for the tape where people can download the whole thing. Are you listed on their first and last name, because maybe you can take that down. Okay, that I'm not thank God. I'm not thank God, and I'm happy, so that makes me happy that I mean thank God for you, not for us. I guess I'm just realizing this because I'm searching it while I'm talking to you. It's got a photo of the tape with my friends handwriting like on the label. It's unbelievable. No, but the guy put it up there because he actually genuinely like liked the tape that we made, because he was a d i y punk guy who was very earnest. You know, we have sort of the opposite problem and that Jonah and I were in a little bit of a brother sister band. I'm going to call it post college during college kind of. We didn't never really did any live performances, and in fact, we only recorded. We recorded most of our songs over like the holiday breaks whatever, when we were home from college. But we have I would say the band is still together, Joan, I think that's fair to say. A band called Jam and Vibes and you know, obviously our initials Joan of Vanessa, and we had some really great tunes and we were well, I think we still are up on my Space, but yeah, my Space they lost their music archives. If you uploaded music that my Space before like two thousand ten, it just doesn't work or something. Yeah, we can't listen to and we'd have no other copies of these. Yeah, so we're like trying to find our music. I I have some like cassettes lying around like blanket that I'm like, maybe this is a jam and vibes cassette or something. It's crazy that when we were in college. Does that make sense that we would yeah, because you still would record stuff. Cassette would just be bored at home and just write some tunes. Yeah. So anyways, we have the opposite problems. So you know, I guess, as I say, one Man's gold or crash or whatever, Well, we're gonna take a commercial right right now, and uh we'll be right talk about him con over when we're back. So, Vanessa, are you okay if do you need to take a minute. Yeah, I'm totally fine. It's so funny. When I was at work today, like I kept doing stuff like this too, and everyone was like Vanessa, are you losing your mind? And I was like, what, I don't think so, but I was like, it's been a day, you know what I mean? Have you ever heard that phrase? You guys, I have heard that has been has been a whole day. Well, we were talking a little bit about your topic earlier, Adam, and we were really excited to talk to you about this. We wanted to talk today about educational media from when you're growing up, so like TV shows and computer games and stuff. Obviously, we've already mentioned some of our faves, including the Lemonade stand game Digital very educational. Another favorite of ours was Number Munchers. Did you ever play that? I played Number Munchers? Yeah? Absolutely, had the Little Green Guys and they eight numbers. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one. And we would be remiss without mentioning Carmen san Diego of course, of course, Carmen San Diego with the associated television show with the acapella theme song, Rocapella, Rocapella. We're just talking about Rocapella earlier today and someone was talking about someone of my writers whom was talking about the Folders commercial. Do you guys remember that Rocapella was in a Folder's commercial? Where they sang acapella song about how the best part of waking up as folders in your cup. Yeah, they saying that, they saying the Folder song, Yeah the best. I do remember this very well. Yeah, it was crazy because a couple of people were able to sing it from memory because it's not the regular folder song. It's like Rocapella's take on. I'd love to play it really quickly because I think it will sound really familiar when you hear it. I know this commercial. I don't remember the song, but I know the commercial. I can picture the vibe they do a little bit of at the end. I think a little bit of a Scubaly doo wop and sort of you know, really do a little bit of improv with it, and yeah, totally. And those guys, I mean, they're in their prime. Do you think they were like just living their best lives? Like, were they going to the Grammys and stuff? Oh, here goes, here goes. I wish I knew the answer to that question, but as I wish I knew whether Rockafella was going to the Grammys. I'm sure they're going to the Emmys for their They probably goes for Best for Carbon San Diego for sure. Okay, let's hear this song. Here goes every day week myself. Then we did the best get Up. That's the mom always coming. Oh bestet up, gonna well up for me, this fun get folders in your best fun. I like get up its fault now. That I think was the long version when they go up, when they go up a little bit. That was the extended version, but that was probably like thirty seconds. That's a standard commercial, right, That felt like the long version of me. It felt long, it felt long, it felt too short to me. Go ahead, Jonnah, I thought you were talking about Rockefella. I thought it was a genre. This is a group called the group you remember from Carmen San Diego and there say do it Rockefella and they would all sing the song No Tony, you don't remember that. They were the exclusive acapella group to Carmen San Diego the show. So like, I'll try and kind of do my reminition of it, your reminition of it. Yeah, rendition, it's a reminiscence and a rendition. Great remnition isn't a word rendition, rendition, premonition, premonition is also a word. You're just combining them okay, scary, okay, but my version would be so we went around the world to do San Diego. Do when in the world is and then the guy in San Diego listen then like it's like that. Do you remember that, Joanna, I remember that. I do. Yeah, I was more into the video game. I think that was more of my time the TV show. Yeah, I think it was a little bit not as into. It was a computer game that we could we played it in school, right, Yeah, we played it in school, and so that's like the thing about this topic was like the idea of watching TV or playing video games in school at that time. It's like, so it was so excited. Yes, it was so funny. All the at least my school had computer labs in the in the various schools, yes, either Apple, Jewey's often Mac pluses in those years, and the educational games were always so excited. I need to play because you could play video games at school, and that's all exactly. And once in a while, and Joe, I don't remember this. I think I brought it up before, and you don't. Once in a while, who would be coming out of that computer lab our? Mom, Yeah, I guess our mom worked at the computer lab. I don't Yeah, she would volunteer and help with the computer lab. Sometimes. I don't remember that. You got to know that when you're like a second grader and you're walking through school and you see your mom, You're like, Okay, this is the coolest thing in the world. I just remember that feeling of like you get to class, You're like, it's gonna be another born class. And then the teacher rolls in that rolling thing with the VCR and the TV, and you're like, I get to watch something. This is like the best. Yeah. Yeah. And and the number one thing that I think we watched was in school was a little show called Square one. Do you remember that, Adam, Oh my god, I'm so happy you brought up Square one because not a lot of people bring this show up to me, and this show was a really deep influence on me overall. I have to say Square one TV wonderful math based show with a lot of it was sketch comedy. Vanessa, well, this is what we do. It was sketch comedy but about math. Incredible, incredible show, so many recurring kind of different sketches started some great actors. By the way, Reggie Cathy. Do you know Reggie Kathy. He was African American actor with a very deep voice who was on that show and he later went on to be on the Wire. He was the like assistant not assistant, like main counselor to Tommy Carkeetty on that show. I think it was on House of Cards. He passed away a couple of years ago, but he was a great actor. A couple other It was a powerhouse cast on Square one on PBO. The thing that I was just thinking of was that number Munchers was kind of very similar to math Man, which remember that was kind of the animated math thing, where like there was like a tornado right in the in the grid and the math the little math thing like go around solving the problems, and when they would mess up or something, the tornado would come. I love your hazy memory of this. I have a very clear one, which is that there's a lot caacter named math Man and he would go around a pac Man maze and he would go math Man, math Man, math manth Man, and then he would come to a problem and it would be like you know, two plus four, and he'd go like six and then eat the number six and the math Man math and if he got something wrong, Mr Glitch was the name of the Tornado. Yes, I was just gonna say yeah, Mr Glitch that the blue Tornado character and Mr Yeah, Mr Glitch would destroy him. And here's the odd thing about the show though, about this segment. Okay, because math Man was kind of a cipher, he was a little bit of robotic. He he didn't really have a lot of personality to um. He would just sort of like math Man math Man. Mr Glitch, the bad guy had a lot more personality, would be like, I hate this math Man like here, and I hope he gets it wrong so I can eat him or whatever. Right. He was always kind of like grumbling under his breath, but in a fun, kind of funny way. And so as a kid, you start sympathizing with Mr Glitch. You're like, yeah, I want to see Mr Glitch funk up that ship head math Man. I hate it, I hate math Man, I love Mr Glitch. And I think maybe in response to this, in some later episodes, they would have Mr Glitch be the one they would turn the tables, and they would have Mr Glitch be the one solving the math problems and math man would come and eat him. And as a kid, that like blew my mind was like, whoa, we can we can flip the script like this, you know. And this show seriously taught me so much about sketch comedy as a kid. It was what about the one where like the woman comes out and she's like, I'm Monday or is her name Tuesday? Yes, this was called math Math and it was a parody of Dragnet and it was like the back half of every show would be never put that together until just now, thank you so much. And they would solve problems with math, and they would solve crimes. They were there math crimes that were committed and they need to or I think they were actually real crimes like murders and Artson's and they needed to solve them. This says. It was a regular segment that parody t tlevision shows of the day, set in courtrooms presided by Judge Sandra day Oh Crater, who showed zero tolerance for unacceptable behavior from the audiences, frequently telling the gallery she'd have them do time or punish them in another extreme way if they didn't shut up and stop the interruptions. She even threatened to have them all hanged on one occasion. Key. In all cases, a district attorney was suing the defendant for a math crime the defendant did not commit. The judge was sometimes quick to issue a verdict, but in the end always ruled the defendant innocent after the defendant was able to prove it, leaving the attorney very embarrassed. I've kind of taken the fun out of it by reading that. Huh, I'm so sorry you guys. Wait, this was math court. That's math court, which is different math Net. Look, it's Vanessa, It's not your fault. These are very similar names for math math Net, math Net, math net. This is the law and order of math based procedural television shows. Math Net the Cops, math Court was the Lawyers. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. Oh here we go. Each episode of Square one featured a closing segment titled math Neet, starring Joe Howard as George Frankly and Beverly Leach as Kate Monday, a parody of Dragnet. The storyline of each skit featured the detectives attempting to solve a crime by using math. Each Mathnet storyline spanned five episodes or one complete broadcast week Monday through Friday. Originally set in Los Angeles, the skit was later expanded to New York City as a secondary setting. There you go. Oh, and then Leach left the show after the third season. She was replaced by Tony Dubueno playing Pat Tuesday. This is so helpful to me because I'm always like, was the woman's name Monday or Tuesday? Yeah, and it looks like it was both Cast replacements used to throw me for a loop as a kid, I was like, what happened to the person? Boy? Yeah? Yeah, but yes, I learned a lot of math facts from that show. I learned the fibonacci sequence because there was an episode where a parrot knew the fibin watch sequence, and that was like, somehow helped them solve the crime. Here we go one, one, two or three five? Eureka. That's all I remember. And then do you remember the music video about the number nine? Vanessa? You wanted me, you wanted me to sing, so I'll sing for you. There was a music video that was incredible, so this is almost like a magic trick. It was a music and a time music video country song about this interesting property of the number nine, and the chorus went nine, nine nine, that crazy number nine. It's perfectly consistent. It works out every time. And then there would be a little bit of a talking country song. And the point is if you multiply nine by any other number and then you have the digits together, it adds up to nine again. So the guy would go like, nine times one is nine, and then we go nine times two is eighteen and eight and one is nine, nine times three is twenty seven, and seven and two is nine, nine times four is thirty six and three and six is nine, and then they would sing the chorus again. It was so stuck in my head as a kid, I knew this for like it taught me the fucking timestable. Nine was the only time stable I knew. That's an incredible fact about the number nine. By the way, this works with anything. There was even a long thing where you go, okay, let's try a longer number, nine times three, eight hundred and thirty four, and then you if you do it, it comes out if you add all the digits together, they will add up to equal nine, or they'll add up to equal a number that if you have the digits of that number together, it will equal nine. You can do this right now, And I love this. So, Jonah, did you know that about the number nine? I think we missed this episode. Think honestly, maybe I think I missed it. I have to say, like, as an adult, and I'm not trying to brag you guys, I'm pretty good at math in my head, like I've I think I've taught myself a lot of like math tricks, especially with the number nine. I feel like it's the easiest one almost because you just multiply things by ten and then you subtract one. You know what I'm saying, You can but one of the things or whatever. And by thinks, I mean numbers. But I'm wowed by this fact about nines. I'm so sorry I put the focus on me just now when the focus should really be and how great this fact? Yeah, but I do think you could you could learn stuff because I learned, definitely learned from number munchers about prime numbers. Like there was one where's like eat all the prime numbers and you had to kind of figure out what that meant. I don't remember what it means now, but I know that isn't a prime number a number that can't be divisible by any It's not divisible, right, Adam, you know, I bet you know. The prime number is. A prime number is the number that is only divisible by itself and by the number one. Right, So for instance, seven has no only divisible by there's the only integers. It's divisible by it. And then he got it right, right, right, right right. Another show Vanessa and I were talking about, and I don't know if you watch the show. I know some kids watch the show in school. We did. It was called Voyage of the Mimi. Are you familiar with this at all? No, we watched this in school a lot. I found some YouTube clips of it and all these people were like, I watched the show in fifth grade and it's like a show on a boat. And what's so weird. It's it's from Ben affleck Is on the show as a kid. It's like teaches you stuff about the sea, like how to like it's like an old skipper guy and he's like teaching new stuff. And it was like a PBS show, I think. And I don't know why, but we used to watch it in school all the time. I think we didn't watch it as much, but I remember, like I've seen it since a like I've seen, you know, talked about it, and I do remember watching it a little bit. But I also yeah, with the series aired on PBS to teach middle school schoolers about science and social studies. Yeah, it always was weird to me when I learned about, like when I like kind of remembered about this show as an adult because I always was like, it wasn't Ben Affleck's first thing. What was that movie called with him and Daredevil? That's the movie Goodwill Hunting Hunting. When Goodwill Hunting came out, everyone goes like, this is these two guys, this is their big they wrote this thing together and they're starring in it, him and Matt Damon. They were like, oh, it's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Basically I took it as they've never been on camera before and now not only did they write this thing, but they're really good actors. And I go, okay, um, I'm so sorry. It looks like Ben Affleck was acting when he was fucking like eight years old, like he's been doing this for a while. Maybe we don't need to give us much credit for Goodwill, Like the apples. I just want to say that that's exactly the right thing to say it. I think Voyage of the Mimi, it's like heard a Voyage of the Mimi. I felt the media for not saying back in ben Affleck was already you know, in social studies classrooms worldwide. It was produced in nine four. Excuse me, but it was on in either way, I think it's bullshit that people give them so much credit for good will. I don't think was it a claim of good will hunting. These people have never been on camera phones. It was basically like these two unknowns wrote this movie, like can you even believe it? They're from Boston, and they kept their accents and get ready, you know, and I did, and I really enjoyed that. I thought it was a really good movie. But now I feel not even Hollywood guys. They're just two the guy have never seen a speck of Hollywood before. They just arrived. Meanwhile, I doubt Voyage of the Mimi was shooting in Ohio. I guess where I think it was filming l A, California, otherwise known as Hollywood. I don't know, maybe Canada. It looks like it could really actually Canada. Probably Canada. Yeah, that's it was created by the bank Street College of Education, which is a private graduate school in New York City. Okay, yeah, but that was another big one, I feel like, Uh, another big one that I'm sure you were into, Adam was of course reading Rainbow. Of course reading Rainbow. Oh absolutely, reading Rainbow as a performer yourself. Did you also always when you see those kids introduce the books, be like, how do I get to do that? I actually never don't think. I don't think I ever had that thoughts. I really uinely don't. That's kind of funny. I wonder why I didn't, because I did love to perform into talk and stuff like that, but I never specifically wanted to be the kid who reviewed the book. That's the main thing that it was. They reviewed the book. I think they reviewed it. They kind of introduced it, and then they were like, you'll have to read the book to find out the rest, you know, like they'd be like sister Squirrel and this book a squirrel find Like did they give their own personal reviews or were they just kind of explaining, Yeah, this was this was a very early version of good Reads. They were like three stars. It was the ending was just it was pretty close to review. I thought that illustrations were great. I was like that guy, Oh yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. It was like in Sister Squirrel, there is a book I made up, by the way, but it sounds like a pretty good premise. Honestly, I should write it. But in Sister Squirrel, a squirrel who's a sister finds that her other friends are like sisters too. I like the illustrations, and I like the way that the author gave this a story. You will probably like it too, but you'll have to read it to find out. Now. I wanted to be one of those kids so badly because I was like, I give book reports all the time, you know, as mandated per my classes in school, and I'm really good at it. And like I was like, this is basically a book report but on TV, and I was like that and the Forever Your Girl music video are the two things that I was like, how do I get slash? How could I have gotten an audition? Do you remember the Forever Your Girl music video? And they were like a lot of kids in it. Yeah, well, because you know, I used to rent this sort of biographical VHS tape about Pola abdual from the library all the time, and in it they showed, well, they showed two things that really that I still remember. One was her doing a dance rehearsal and everybody picked her up and she's like flat and everyone's lifting her and they show an aerial view and I remember being like, Okay, this is the glost thing in the world. And the other thing is they showed these kids like auditioning for the Forever Your Girl video, and like it's like because there's just like a lot of little kids like dancing and stuff in the music video. It's like a very cute video. And I remember being like, it sucks that I'm in Ohio and I didn't hear about these auditions and just to bring it back to and I don't know how to dance um Janah. I think I was taking jazz, tap and acro at the time. So and then I had the same feeling I think when I would watch Reading Rainbow, where I would just be like, I think the point of it obviously wasn't to be like where do I audition? Yeah, I don't know, a lot of actors are getting a big break on reading Rainbow reading like a ten second book. You know, there were some stage moms back there going like this is gonna be it. Yeah, and say hi to LaVar, and make sure you say hi to LaVar, Say go up to you have to go to LaVar and say thank you Mr Burton, Thank you Mr Burton. He's a good contact for you. It's important to make contexts. Honey. I don't know if you guys have ever worked with kids on set. I have. There's nothing I hate more than the clearly coached child coming up to obsequiously read a little speech that their mom gave them to say to. You know, now were one on the call sheet as part of their like show biz hustle. Like it's revolting, unfortunately, feel like, do you remember any of the speeches. Oh, I'm being too mean. They're just like they're just like, thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure to work with you. It's just like that kind of thing, you know, rightly. What is revolting is sometimes the moms will start an Instagram account where they will do it in the voice of the child, and that is that is that's a tough. It's tough when people do that with babies too, and they're like, I'm a little baby and I'm so excited to be the world. You're like, take a break. I was going to say, when I was on SNL, we would always have these very cute kids who would be like in sketches or like pre tape stuff, and they were so well behaved, I think because like the live TV element of it was like such a thing. And I just remember all these little girls and you'd be like, you're doing such a good job, and they'd be like thank you, like like they didn't really want to talk to us that much because they were kind of like with theirs, and they were kind of like maybe a little freaked out, but you'd just be like, you're doing amazing and they did think you everything. Do you want to hear my worst working with a child actor story? Yes? Okay, So I was working with this kid on Adam Ruins Everything the first season and he was a very mature seeming kid. I don't know if you ever worked with a child actor where it feels like you're working with an adult, like they're just very pro about it, you know. And so we were just chatting and he was like, uh, like I'd be like, hey, man, don't you know or don't worry if things are stressful on set, like we're doing okay, And he was like, no, it's all right. I just put it out of my mind. I'm doing okay. Like he was just like very professional, and so at one point he goes, um, he goes, hey, so, what's what's your next episode about? And I was like, oh, well, the next episode we're doing is about death, which was true because it was like that was the next that was the season finale. And he was like, oh, what's the episode about it. I was like, oh, it's about how um, like, we're all gonna die one day, Like I'm gonna die and you're gonna die, and we should accept that it's better for us if we do, which is the actual thesis of the episode. And he starts going I'm gonna die. I am not gonna die. No, I'm not gonna die. I'm just had to a kid, I'm not gonna die. And he starts like screaming and yelling, and the teacher, you know, because there's like a teacher monitor, she had to come over and be like Joshua, stop that. And I was like, oh my god, I like caused an existential freak out. I'm like, oh, he's eight, I forgot a conversation his parents haven't had a chance to exactly. Anyway, that's very funny. Yeah, it's a special kind of kid to be able to do that in a special kind of parent, and usually a nightmare parent. With that, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be back in a little for a lot more fun. And we're back. Okay, So Adam, now we're going to play one of our all time favorite games with you. Okay, Oh, I'd love to play it. Okay. So this game is called Yes Stalgia or Nostalgia, And the way this game works is we're going to bring up some thing from our past that's making a comeback. If you think it's a good idea, you'll give it a gues stalgia staljaw, and if you're not into it, you'll give it a nostalgia no s. It's a classic take on a word pun. The word is nostalgia and the other word is no or yes exactly. So Yes Stalgia is like it's kind of a fun twist. Anyway, So we're gonna read you something that's coming back and then we're each going to give it either a yes, stalgia or nostalgia Jonah Do you want to take the first one? Sure? So the first one is. This one's a little more recent. But Kellogg's Cinnabon inspired cereal is back after a four year absence, and so I guess Cinnabon and Kellogg's made this cereal for you. Get Cinnabon, Jonah Bon. Sorry, they made this cereal in two thousand eighteen went on hiatus. People were petitioning them online. You know, this is what we had a guest on here, our friend Joe Trump, and he told us about this term fan service, which I think is like when people petition these companies about movies or products and they end up doing it, And so I think this is considered maybe fan service. It's rolling out. The Cinnamon Bakery inspired cereals gonna begin to roll out of Sam's Club this month, and it consists of many crispy cinnamon sworld shaped pieces top of cinnamon sugar and finished with a sweet frosting flavor and probably has like nine million grams of sugar. You just listed three ways of saying sugar, Adam, what are your thoughts I'll say, yes, Stalgia, and that this actually makes me feel nostalgic because I remember lots of cinnamon sugar flavored cereals, including one that I think was sort of cinnamon bun shaped and I don't remember what it was, but like what the name was, but I do have a memory of a cinnamon bun sort of shaped cereal. I would never eat this in a million years, but it reminds me of cinnamon toast crunch. Yeah. Now, I would say, first of all, this article links to change dot org, which this is It's a couple of worlds colliding for us, because we have another game we like to play called change dot dorc where we go onto change dot org and we find petitions that are like, not really the way that change dot org was designed. We figured they're designed more for social justice, but a lot of people petitioned to bring back things like snacks on there. I would say, sometimes it works, and sometimes it works, and it looks like in this case it did work. Now, the petition that this article links to only has twenties six people who signed, but I'm sure there were multiple petitions. I'm probably not looking at the biggest one. I'm all for this. I mean, Jonah, I really curious where you land on this, because as someone who who really doesn't like corporations are big, you know, big corporations or ceo s, this is you know, this is Kellogg's and this is you know, the cinnamon people coming together. There's some pretty big companies. But I say, why not. I love a cinnamon cereal and I think it's a guestalgia for me, Jona, what about you? Yeah, I'm not into this. I think I mean the boxes, it's a good source of vitamin D and like huge letters. I feel like it's like they're really pressing the vitamin D and not the sugar. And I mean, to me, it's just it's probably like kind of like what Adam said. I think it's probably so sweet. It probably is like difficult to eat. I don't ever eat. I don't know Cinnabon. I guess how do you pronounce to Cinnabon. I think it's Cinnabon. This is a place that's always like like the airport Cinnabon. Actually, speaking of puns, I think it's I'm realizing is it a take on cinnamon? I'm realizing this, Yes, Cinnabon cinnamon, between Mathnet being take on drag Net, nine is being able to be multiplied by any number and the two numbers add up to nine, and Cinnabon being a take on cinnamon, cinnamon and cinnabon. I'm going this is one of the most educational podcasts we've done yet. I truly all three of these things have blown my mind. I want to be serious, especially the nine things. So I'm gonna say no, it sounds gross. I'm not into it. Yeah, Okay, I don't have a lot to say. Okay, Vaness, do you want to read the next one? The next one is they're bringing back There's gonna be a Teletubbies reboot. The trailer was just released by Netflix, and I'm going to give you the official synopsis, which is joining colorful friends Tinky Winky, Dipsy, La, La, and Poe on wonder filled adventures as they learn and grow in this twenty one century refresh of the beloved preschool series, now narrated by Emmy nominee Titus Burgess of Unbreakable Kimi Schmidt. Each episode includes new original Tummy Tales songs that will have the entire family dancing along. I say yes, Stalgia, we can have more Tinky Winky, La La, Dipsy and Poe. I recently. I know their names because I recently was watching Teletubbies on YouTube. But I don't remember why, but I was doing it, and yeah, Teletubbies great, it's fine. People were driven insane by the Teletubbies when that show first came out. Yes, do you remember that Americans were furious about Teletubbies. People are like dollise Teletubbiest. People were mad for some reason. Yes. I think it's because I might be misremembering this, but I think it's because the show was really designed for like babies and toddlers, Like it really made no sense to whereas like a lot of children's TV is like adults can watch it and at least make some sense of it. I feel like Teletubbies was them kind of jumping around and there was like a really bright sun with like a smiley face on it and stuff, right, I mean it was incoherent by the standards of most entertainment. Yes, yeah, but I would say I would give this a guestalgia two. I feel like, yeah, they say it's for preschoolers, I think, like, why not it's fun, kids love it, and Titus Burgess will be a great narrator for it. I don't remember there being a narrator, but to be fair, I didn't watch a ton of Teletubbies because I think I was a little too old for it. I think he came out when I was in high school. So I give it a yes, talgia. What about you, Jonah? Yeah, yes, Stalgia. I mean, you know, kids like this. If it's entertaining the little kids, it's you know, sure, why not? I have no problems with this. I think it's it's not for me. But who am I to say? Right? It would be so weird if you were like so excited for it to come back. Jonah, did you want to read our last Yes? Yes? So our last one is Taco Bell brings back the Enterrito. I guess Taco Bell did uh some kind of promotion where they asked what former menu item they'd like to see return, and it was an entrerito versus the double Decker taco, and the votes went to this entrerito. Seven sixty thousand people voted it's coming out soon. It's a flower tortillo with beef beans and diced onions then blah blah blah. Yeah people really like this. Then it's smothered in red sauce and shredded cheese. This was discontinued in two thousand and thirteen. Adam, are you familiar at all with the Taco Bell enterrito? I've never heard of this. This is a nostalgia for me, and Taco Bell is straight up bad. Okay, it's bad food. So I don't know why anybody would be nostalgic for it, to be fair, this item came out in so this is like a real throwback item. Okay, Okay, so other people might it might be a nostalgia, right, but it sounds like it isn't for you. And that is why we play the game quote unquote is because everyone is allowed to have their own preferences. I'm looking up on Wikipedia. They call it an enterrito because it's a it's like a combo of a burrito and an enchilada. But like it looks like it's just a wet burrito, right, Like it's a burrito with red sauce on it. That's a that's a wet burrito. Well, I mean, if I feel like that's where you got to get that marketing department in there, and they said, don't call it a wet burrito, called an enterrito. You know, to your point, it doesn't sound you know, beef, beans onions, red sauce, cheddar. It sounds like there's a lot of kind of moist product in there. Look, I mean, I don't I don't get it with the especially white people would be all excited about a Taco Bell food. I mean, Taco Bell is like they take a tortilla and then they've just got a couple of different tubes of food that the squirt on the on the tortilla, and like, who gives a ship what order they squirt the tubes in? Like it's yea, the lowest quality in fast food by a mile. So I have no, uh, no emotional association with it whatsoever. Wow, it sounds like we've hit a little a little bit of a cord. We struck a little bit of a chord, of of of a sensitive area for me. Yeah, it sounds like you're very anti Taco Bell. It's an absolutely not stalgia. This is even a new category that you hate it so much. Absolutely not only is it nostalgia, it's not nostalgia. Yeah, Okay, we're gonna have to ask Taran to record something for that. Now, Jonah, what about you. I'm putting you in a little bit of a position because after hearing Adams take it, it's if you're into it, it's gonna be an uphill battle. Listen. I think Adam makes a lot of valid points. I have never heard of this item either. I live in a rural era and not a lot of food options. There is a tacobio by us, and I was like, oh, I'll try it. I was disappointed. I was kind of get excited. I think this is going to be good and we don't. I don't have and it's it's not good. I agree with Adam. Yeah, I'm not Instalgia for this product at all because I've never heard of it. Um Taco Bell. Also, you weren't even born when it came out, Jonah, I wasn't born when it came out. The only Taco Bell that's really close to me is is a combo with KFC, which it's like, I can't do it. So yeah, I'm gonna say nostalgia on this one. I don't have any relation to this and it is it is. They just kind of change, the order of the ingredients, and even the photos of this do not look very appetizing to me. For Taco Bell. Yeah, I'm going to give this a nostalgia Vanessa, What about you? What are your thoughts on the interest? Well, I just want to say I just realized, you know, by the time we do our next podcast, will probably have heard from our ad, who probably has some kind of a take on the enterrito because he often, um, he's kind of more of fast food. Our dad knows more about current about fast food trends, and and then I think, yeah, he's he's a little more in the scene. Yeah, yeah, meaning he eats more fast food than we do. You know, it would be a nostalgia for me and fast food. Can I say if they brought back the Arch Deluxe? Do you remember the Arch Deluxe from McDonald's that Oh my god. So this was in the nineties. This is when I was in high school, I believe, maybe middle school. Actually I'm gonna look it up so I don't get the year on because I know your your listeners are sticklers. Um, So I was in high school at the time, and this was a sandwich that they introduced and the marketing was the sandwich the burger is only for adults. That was what they said, and people were like, what the fund does that mean? What are they talking about? In what way would this be only for adults? And people ate it for that reason alone. And I'm looking at up on Wikipedia and it is it says it is now considered one of the most expensive flops of all time. Wow, but you were a marketing campaign. No, I didn't. I never ate it because it was for adults. You just remember it. I do. I remember my friends trying it and being like, I don't know why they said just for adults or whatever, but they marketed it like crazy. It was like, this is during a period where like a new Hamburger would become like some of the biggest news in America, right right, it was huge simpler time. Vanessa and I have talked a lot on this podcast about Boaku, which was like like a juice box market towards adults. Said, I think also didn't do so well with Richard lewis whole campaign Boco. Oh. Wow. When you said Richard Lewis, I could picture him saying Boko boko, Yeah, yeah, And he did. His commercials were like stand up where he'd go, I go to the supermarket and I said, I want to boucou you know like that, He's like this girl dump me. She heard she's dating a fruit juice counsel. Now you know I sound exactly like, Yeah, he did a lot of Boku commercials. Incredible guy. People don't talk about Richard Lewis enough. Do you know? He claims to have invented the phrase from hell. Like when you said, like I had the waitress from Hell, he says he invented that. Isn't that incredible? Also, wasn't there there was a nickname for him that had to do with that, Remember, Jonah and I have done quite a bit of research on specifically the book commercials, but Richard Lewis by way of Boku and he had like a nickname that had to do with hell or something, right, Jonah, Yeah, you're right. I can't remember it, but you're right, the Prince of Pain, the Prince of Pain. Yes, it was weird because like when we heard that, we were like, oh, maybe because we weren't adults when he was like in his prime, like we didn't know that people referred to him as the Prince of Pain. I think we would have heard it once or twice maybe among comedy circles. It's like, you know, he's Gotham and they're like, give it up for the Prince of Pain. Richard Lewis, that's horrible. He sounds like he's going to come out covered in whips and spikes. I wonder if he did stand up about his Boaku commercials, if he was like, have you guys seen me in these commercials? Like he probably couldn't for a minute because they would be like he had to make the money and all that stuff. But then once that had expired, but he was like, this is what I think of stand up was probably guess like this, okay, you know, thanks so much, Jeanie. Okay, So everybody's been telling me that they know me as the Bok guy. I take one commercial campaign and I'm the Bok guy and it goes from there. I won't do his whole set, but that's the commercial from hell. This made me want to go watch some Richard Lewis, Well, before you do, I'm going to give you guys my take on that and Torrito coming back, and I don't know that it's like that well known of a product I don't mean to say that I'm an expert on taco bell and you know its history or anything, but it does doesn't sound like that innovative or exciting to me, even in the seventies. I'm like, we're people that excited about this just today, given what we have now, I guess I'll say I don't feel that excited. The thing that really made me not into it is it says it's smothered with a red sauce, and I'm not into spicy sauces. I'm also not into tomato sauces. I've said many times on this podcast and in an outside of this podcast, I have pretty bad acid reflux and it is not helped by tomato sauces, okay, or spicy sauces. So the red sauce alone element, I'm like, these are the key ingredients you're calling out, and if one of them is red sauce quote unquote no description of what's in there, I'm giving it a past I'm giving it a nostalgia. I'm turning the other way, okay or else, It's gurd City USA for me. I don't know why. I just I think I said me just now, Like Richard Lewis for me. This is him again one more time. I'm the vokugay now I want to look it up, but I don't know how to spelled bok be okay you what? Yeah, I thought it was like the French word. No. No, I thought bo boku. I'm drinking bok What is this? I don't drinking boku now? Yeah. Vanessa and I worked on a project where we did so much research from Bookou and watched every commercial on YouTube. Every they have them all. It's it's worth doing a deep dive into boku. By the way, the other reason that he probably got very at that time was very associated with boku is because we found out he did a bunch of commercials one year, like in the early nineties, and then he did more commercials two years later when they switched them from being they were in a box. They were juice boxes. That's like what was like their initial draw was like their juice boxes, but for adults. Then like two years later he did commercials again when they started coming in like glass bottles, and guess what, they started coming glass bottles. Then they were gone, and you go, if it's not baroque as as you know that joke from beating the beats? Know? Is that a joke from guys? I really think I need to go take that. You know, if it's not broke, don't fix it. But they say it's not baroque. Cogsworth goes, it's it's not baroque, don't fix it. Oh my god, it's so much fun with you today, right, Adam, Thanks so much, Thank you so much for let's let's go take a nap together. Honestly I'm a little baroque, but honestly, Adam, where can people find you? Oh? I got a podcast called Factually where I interview incredible experts from around the world of human knowledge. Please come check that out. Would you say? It's pretty similar to this podcast in terms of subject matter, terms of research, subject matter, intellectual level. You know, one day I hope, I hope that we can even begin to touch on in my podcast to the work that we've done here today. That would be my that would be my greatest aspiration. Yeah, and uh, you know you can check out my shows on Netflix and HBO nets in credit ball. Well, thank you so much. That was so much fun. 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