Hello, friends, welcome to Hold Up Podcast. I asked the question, do we need to be talking about this? But we are. I am Duel Say Slam, and I am a comedian, and I am a correspondent on the Daily Show, and I do the voice of Honeybee of the Great North on Fox. Please the Man introduced my co host, Josh jaw Song. Hey, how's everybright doing? Mat john tell you what you do? So? I'm also a comic. I do stand up also right at the Daily Show, and I'm also online on the internet. You can find me on the Things at Josh Johnson Comedy. I'm excited about today's subject. Yeah, I can tell. Thank you so much. Um. Today's subject is movies versus TV series. M h and Joshua, where do you fall on these movies versus TV series? I mean, I'm movies all day, all right, I'm movies on a plane, I'm movies in bed, I'm movies, you know, like, even even sometimes when i know I'm not gonna be able to finish it, I still will turn on a movie before I get into a show. Obviously, TV shows, and I think I like TV shows because I think because I'm a trained actor, which a lot of people don't know. Also, Josh is also trained in the theater arts as well, not so much performance, but like, no, not performance at all. It's actually just lighting. It's it's not very hard though, like I've had to read. I can read a lighting plots. I can hang lights, cut gaels and certain of gaels, gobos, the whole nine. But I don't know how to like program a lightboard. M h, I'm with you. Yeah, it can be difficult. Acting to me is still wow, it's a lot. It's hard, no matter what people think. Um so I think for me because I am a trained tour and people gonna say, oh, don't you mean actress? No, I don't. Just so like people will say, like with comedians, oh don't you mean comedian, bitch? If I met comedian, I would say comedian, I'm a comic. I like a TV series because I said, as an actor, I want to see more of the character. Right, So, because of the movie, you establish your character and then the movie is over. So unless they do a sequel to this movie, all of the information that you have about these people, all of the storylines that you can have happening at one movie and it's done. Like, I love the movie Karena Karna, Right, It's one of my favorite movies. But we don't know what happened when ellenor grows up. We don't want to happen if do what we go burg Arelli on his character get married, helld on, you find out no further information about them. Because once a movie over, girl, it is over. But it's not like these, you know, Marvel movies where they got a hundred and six or three of them that come out, and any superhero that ever breaks the pages of a comic book is going to be thrown in an outfit put on the TV. That's what. That's what like three seven Marvel movie. Okay, this is no, no, no, I know. I'm with you. I'm with you. There will be three seven one day. We're not there yet, but there there. Yeah. But my thing is when you when you talk about that specific aspect of why you think TV shows are better, I actually think that that's what ruins things for me when I watched TV is because you run a show so long that eventually a character does something that's low key out of character. So now you're like, why would why would they even do that? They spent four seasons being this, this, this way, and then they just switch it up and now they're just a whole different person, you know, where it's with a movie movie, m we know who they are, and then it's over. This is one of those situations where I'm not trying to convince you that TV is better m hm. I'm trying to say that I like a TV Okay. I think a good compromise for you would be a like a Spanish novella, like a telenovela or a Korean drama. So like a lot of Korean dramas that I wife, it's about sixteen to maybe forty episodes and then the show is over. Now, if it's a super super popular series, they could bring it back, like the Boys of a Flower series. They brought those back sometimes, but for the most part, once the show was over, the show is over and you and it never comes back again. So maybe if you're looking into, like wanting that movie feel of there's a story, this part of these people's story ends, then I think that like the Koreans I'm or the tell novella would be the way to go. Because with the TV series there's plenty of like there is a show called this is My Kind to people I've been watching on Hulu. It was a Fox show. It's like these black people that live in like the Hamptons or something, very old black money. This girl trying to get it. And the first season ended with a cliffhanger, hmm, and I don't know it's coming back. You've got to watch the movie and being like, I wonder if this movie is coming Yeah, I I assume every movie is just one episode long, you know. And also the thing for me that makes movies, in my opinion, superior, is that I just told you I'm not trying to make this competity you keep trying to make this is that what this whole podcast is me trying to keep the peace. You out here going for violence, It's it's some of it. It's it's definite going to be an aspect woow, because I think most of the time you think that I'm no one going for violence. When think I don't think, what do you mean? If you have to say what you mean? You know what I mean, don't do that. Don't do that because you know absolutely fucking right that the two things with movies that you don't get with TV shows is that First of all, a movie can have a premise that you can't make a show out of. Example, I think that they're there's a movie called Coffee Town that fine, very funny, that enjoy very much, and it's just a movie about a guy who goes to the same coffee shop to work every day and the little hierarchy he has a little like ecosystem in there, and then they're gonna shut down his coffee shop, so he tries to save it. You can't make a whole show about that. Yeah you can. Every episoloday is doing something different trying to save the show. I mean, if you got to save the coffee shop and that made different ways across seasons, it should be closed. But if it's just a him where it's like, hey, we're thinking about, you know, maybe selling this coffee shop, building something that was like, no, I love this coffee shop. Maybe this corporate environment will disappear. If I can heighten the crime rate around this coffee shop, they won't want to buy here, you know. And now just that one idea, right, and so then that that that's one reason. And then the second reason is that no one can cancel your movie in the middle of the movie once the movie exists. That's not true. That's what happens with TV shows all the time. So you're telling me you've watched a movie on a plane that was done. Yeah, the movie doesn't stop in the middle. They made the movie. They don't always make the movie. I understand things and lose funding, but I'm talking about once they put it out there is out there with the whole story. You don't have to hope and wait and pray that your favorite movie gets renewed every six months. I hear it. You're saying. So you don't like the heartache, because like, I've watched shows where it's like, y'all, y'all. Sair Lester was on this show about like going through time and mid season the show got canceled. M And then there was a show that Shonda Rhyme tad that she was tacking where it was it called star Crossed, So it was like basically what happens to the Capulettes and the Montague after Romeo and Juliet died. Yeah, but I think they show got canceled because they open casted there. Open casting was so open you couldn't even keep track of who the families were because people would just start because like Shakespeare, people just start talking m hm. So I was like, well, who the funk is this? It would be great to go to a play with you, and you've never seen the play before, right, but it's done in that Shakespeare style. So there's someone just walks on from the opposite stage side. You know, we've been looking at stage left this whole time. Somebody enter stage right and just starts a conversation, and then you're in the audience just going now, who the hell listen. I have seen plenty of Shakespeare plays. I've built sex for Shakespeare plays, and but I think you realized, like when you're walking, but like anytime you're watching any shot, a character pops up and someone has to introduce the character. What really bothers me in a TV show or movie is, like you said, you put it perfectly, when a character enters, you have to address that character. You have to tell us who they are. But I it actually bothers me in my bones when the writing is so bad that they just say all that just exposition. So somebody will walk in and they'll be like, oh, disseus keg of what are you up to today? Well, that's why sometimes Shakespeare would introduced characters. Yeah. Yeah, and it's it's the what a Shakespeare brilliant poetry sonnets for whatever? That thing. That thing made me want to throw my book at English class. I'm like, who, because who talks like that? You You've made us a spend disbelief for this entire scene, and then you ruin it because at the edge you're like, oh, hello, mother, who were now meeting at act to C three? But it's like you're watching show and like even in a movie like somebody Walking? Anybody? Fuck? Is this? Like? I just wish that somebody would write a TV show or a movie that made it easier to watch with your parents. Sure, yeah, because if you're watching a TV show or a movie. Two, who is that my mom kind of watching this movie? As long as you've been watching this movie, I don't know he is either. I think we're about to find out. We're about to find out what. I'm just trying to make sure I know what's going on, Mama. You know as much I have as much information as you have. I don't know who the funk this man is. Just got here, Let's see she will pause something. Some fact We'll tell me who that is is the one that just got here? Who is he? We think he might be this person, but we think this person unpaused TV to find out who he is. Now, I'll even throw this out there so you know my situation. I was raised with my mom, my aunt, my grandma, and my granddad. Because my granddad and I were outnumbered, the TV was always under the control of the rest. You know. It's just so we watched a lot of Lifetime Movie Network, and we watched a lot of What's the other one, a lot of a little bit of we and then some TV one. Right now, I'm not saying I never got control of the TV. I got to watch my cartoons and stuff. But I'm just saying, for like prime time hours, hey what you watch? Saying like everybody else, everybody else, No, I'm completely with you. All I'm saying is but when those weren't on, When those weren't on, it was Lifetime Movie Network. And I think that some of that is what sparked some of my love for movies because then there because the movie would sometimes be poorly written, there was no there were no extra questions to ask, so you just had to accept everything. It gave you everything, and then and then my thing was there was just one movie. I wish I could remember it, but I was a teenager and everybody, what I tell you, everybody in the movie look alike. It's like it's like they were casting the lead and they just loved everybody so much. They were like, put him in the movie to give him a part. Put him in the movie as well, because every dude looked like the lead. And he was an average sized, average build and had dark hair m hmm, and a little bit of stubble, a little bit of stuffle of it, just a little bit to let you know that he enjoys the outdoors, build some furniture by hand. But he has a good job. He can handle a splinter. He's gonna be all right. But what he could also do is listen, m hm. Becauld your last boyfriend from the city. Lifetime movies are amazing because it's always someone leaving the big city and coming back home at the Hallmark because we had no help. There's five of us watching right, and all of us, everybody in the house is like, why she kissing him? I thought that he was no, No, that one is. Her husband is it, Are you sure? And and the movie is a regular style movie, so there's characters that other characters are diametrically opposed to, so there there'll be characters argue it. And it looked like he yelling at a mirror. He's just yelling at himself in his workshop. Yeah, and both got on. Was it plaid shirts? Yeah, flatel Yeah, and jeans and a boot. Everybody looked like the bounty man. Everybody looks like the bounty man. And all of the girls are in some type of cardigan situation simsible, they're always wearing it, they're always cold. All of these lifestyle movies are set in the fall. I've never seen a lifestyle movie the summertime. Everybody has too much clothes on. There's too much clothes on. She's probably blonde, m h. And then there's another blonde and everybody drink out of a mug with both hands. You've never seen anything like Everybody, no matter who it is, they all just cupping. How do you have Well, we're gonna have a bachelorette party, but I just wanted to do something more intimate. And it's five white women under one giant blanket, all watch in their own movie, a version of the movie that they're in drinking hot poker because the last time she drunk she got too wild, and wild means drove through a Wendy's drive through like just yes, like oh my god, like those movies. But it's like, I think this is why people like, Okay, we have to make sure that we cater to like Middle America. And I don't think the people understand that Middle America is all of America. You don't think there's people in New York the only people. And there's not a woman in l A watching a fucking Lifetime movie holding both of her hands on a mug. You don't think that's happening on a mug that says you already know it, Live, laugh and love. I think that when it comes to Lifetime shows, they have a little bit more of a of a replay value as shows. You know, um, when I look at we want to look at Oxygen bride Zillas. How could you not? I would watch bride Zills with my mom. We didn't we didn't even know what binging was in two thousand and two, and my mom and I were watching bride Zilla NonStop. Who you do those reality TV shows. We all need those reality TV shows and it's MTVS fault. But well, actually, the first reality show I think was Cops. I think it was Cops. But the one that really took off with Survivor was Survivor before Real World. I think it was at the same time frame, but I think Survivor was slightly before Real World. I remember watching Big Brother House and being like, what after the second season. I was like, what the funk am I doing? M this means no sense. I'm I don't know what comic it is. Who has a joke about the show Naked and Afraid? He was like, I was watching that show Naked and Afraid. How could I ask myself? Why are they naked? Yeah, you're afraid naked? But where they naked? Yeah? Also, you know they don't win anything? What do you mean? Okay? So, okay, I know, I know we're going Tangent after Tangent, but this is it is important that you know. It's important that you know that show they don't win like Survivor and all these other shows money, Right, Survivor they win money. They w Naked and Afraid. No, no, Survivor, they'll win. I think they win a million. Now, oh sidebar. You know, if you win anything on television, you have to pay taxes on it. Hard, Yes, yes, you have to pay every tax And that's why open gave all the other cars. People got mad because they're like, a right, gay me a car. No one tell me I'm gonna have to pay the taxes on this, bitch. Yeah you also, yeah, if you just wouldn't have aired given me the car. If you if you had come back from commercial and been like everyone, this audience is very happy, aren't they. Everybody just nodding, that would have been a very different situation. But but when Oprah points to you as says you have a car, look at the I r S is also like, yes, he has a car. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure there's some one person job at the I r S just to watch game shows. Yeah. Yeah, because people't really like if you like, you don't when you have like the showcase showdown on the Crisis, right, I didn't think about that. All of those vacations, the jet skis, that living room set, all of those like applying anything, living room set, appliance, his trips, boats, a t VS, fucking gear supply to tide h you have to pay taxes on that. That's wild bunch of furniture that probably won't fit in your house. You got seven thousand dollars with furniture, and Nan pay Jaxon and Smetown Long Fresh is the California taxes? The taxes at your house? Because if I came from across country play the prices right, and I lived in Gary, Indiana, who was shipping this living room set to Gary, Indiana? Me or CBS No? I think I think they have to or else you didn't win anything. I think the network paying for you to get the thing has to send it to you or else you've wanted nothing, you hope, because I think Open getting the cars out, the people were like, keep them, keep it. I'm a pant tax keeper, but this is your car. I an't sign ship. I came for free tickets to a TV show. Japer, you gave me a car, the body, this car, you gave me this car, su this car. I thought she bought two undred cars and they just had to pay the taxes on, which is why they were upset, right, because I think somebody who was just like, didn't she just pay the taxes? And it's like, well, it's not her car. I think she shouldn't pay the tax. Also, it doesn't it doesn't have the same ring to it. It's like you get a car to years worth of taxes. You get a car to year. I think I'm gonna say they haven't come up with any reality show like reality movies other than like Jackass. Oh that's that's that's fair. I think Jackass is the only one. Right. We're doing so much dumb ship. Why fitted into a season? Just give us two solid hours in your life to see how many times we can hit each other in the time. I mean, it's it's it's more than that, though. It really is more. It's about friendship, and it's about skateboarding off roofs, and it's about getting punched by professional people that punch. Okay, I did not know that you were a Johnny Knostial fan. I'm not even saying I'm a huge fan of the series. I'm just saying I see more in it than just shot to the jackets. I mean, you're you're putting that on me right now, I am saying, so you're a jacket. I've said nothing on the sword. I am saying right now that there's more to that series Slash movies than, you know, than just the ball shots. There's also farting in yoga studios, mid Lesson, you know, there's there's just there's layers. You should just be respectful of what they've built. You couldn't even say it, couldn't even finish it. But also it's like some stuff shouldn't be a movie, like they trying to have a Captain Planet live action movie now, No, definitely not a sincere one. The don Cheatle Captain Planet is one of the greatest Captain and it's all it's hilarious. There are a lot of movies that translate two shows, which in my opinion, just bolsters my point because it's like this this movie is so good that we want to see more of it. And so I think that sometimes when you have a TV show and they do a movie version of it, it's like lackluster. It's just like it's fine. I think it could go both ways, because it's like, Okay, Buffy the Vampire Slayers the movie not de Bret, Okay, the TV show fucking amazing, all right, And then like the Star Trek movies are supplements to the TV series where like you can get people like like one of the Star Trek movies, you actually have like Picard meet Kirk and they actually live like a hundred year part so there's a rifting time and they get to meet each other and all of that. So you get to see like your favorite because it's just science fiction to my knowledge, and you know, listeners can right in if I'm wrong or whatever. I'm sure they'll let me know. I feel like, no, it's just it's just it's it's funny because like it's not it's not in a bad way, like I'm not upset or anything, but I truly have catch a hell for that Tobato Soup episode, like hope are people dm in you? Yeah? Yeah? People are people are? Yeah? Uh so you were trying to make sure you couldn't lose and you said something so wild people have saved the town on their day. Yeah, Joshua is ze Heel Johnson. Mm hmm, you're wild as hell. Bro TV has the advantage as well, along with Reality TV, of having a game show because there aren't really game show movies, you know, well, they try to do that with those choose are on adventure movies. Remember Netflix trying to do that ship. And but this is the thing about those choes are on a venture movies, the ending is are ready to turn. You have two different endings, but they're still determined. So you're trying to choose you on the venture movies, and if you go in the choice that it didn't have because the thing is, the choices can't be infinite. You can't film for every saying. So eventually get to a point and I'd be like, yeah, you have to make a different choice, Like no, bitch, this wasn't my choice. Yeah, yeah, you're just making me choose like those shoes. You're on a venture book, the book would be sucking a thousand pages as opposed to the hundred because I want to fifth grown level what Yeah, yeah, I'm I understand what you're saying. I just feel like those are those are two obvious advantages. But I think that to your point about there sometimes need to be more creativity for a TV show, I think that that's what creates the marginal error. I didn't say there's any even more creating for a TV show. I was saying that because movies are finite. Because movies your story has a beginning, middle, and an end. You only have to be as you only have to be creative enough to tell this story. I see. It's like there's a show that I like. It's a Canadian TV show called The Murdoch Mysteries. The show has been on it just they just had their fifteenth season and they're hour long shows. So for you to be able to maintain to keep the audience interested for this long, you have to be able to create more content, create more characters. Is his character to die off this character and to comeback? Is his character a nemesis at some point somebody is if all in love out a fucking kid. That's what I'm saying. It requires more creativity to do a TV show because you have to pre creating more context m because America doesn't do shows. If your show doesn't get canceled, you just have to keep making more show. And that thing. That thing specifically is one of the reasons I think movies edge it out too. Because the Brits Korean dramas novellas, I think they do it right. They work. I'm gonna right now the Brest. I want to work Loser. You gave me four episodes in the season. There's this Australian show none. The show from New Zealand called Broken Wood Mystery only six episodes of the season. They don't work. No, no, no, no no. My thing is, how do you make any more? They must pay them so much money to do those episodes, because I don't think I don't think they do either. I think that I think that's why they come come here, and they do movies and TV here, and I think that they give you just enough that you always want more, all right. I think that that even if even if it makes you upset, even if you can't stand the fact that they stopped at three or four or six episodes, you still are like, oh, that's a good show. I wish they did more. They don't do it often enough, and when they do it, they don't give us enough, you know. And so I'm saying that the way the audience, yeah, I'm saying the way that they do that is perfect. I think American TV does this thing for me where let's say there's a movie of something and there's a TV show of something. The TV show may very well be better than the movie. But I think on a long enough timeline, the quality which almost always happens, which is why anytime it doesn't happen. We call that show the greatest show ever made. The quality over years tends to decline, or characters start repeating stories, or like everything either becomes the same or the way that it changes people don't like. I think that on a long enough timeline, the show falling apart then makes the movie better because you have to look at each thing as a auty of work. And so when I see the body of work of a TV show that ran too long versus the body of work of maybe a movie about that same thing, I think that the show definitely has the opportunity to be greater than the movie. But if the show goes on for too long, the movie edges it out because we can't stop, we can't act like all the seasons of the show didn't happen, And so if the later seasons of that show ruined the show, then the show is ruined. That's why people get upset. So it was an example of a TV show that went on for too long. I won't say it went on for too long, and I haven't watched all of it, so then i'm I'm Maybe people are gonna tell me I'm I'm wrong, But I think that clearly, almost everyone I've ever talked to that watched the show is upset with the way that they end a Game of Thrones, right, And if you're this mad about the way they ended Game of Thrones, it makes a new person who's not involved not want to start Game of Thrones because you're telling me I'm a fall in love with something that everyone agrees they ruined. Oh, like the TV show Lost, Like I never saw Lost, and how angry people were about the ending of Loss. I was like, oh, I'm not because I've seen it. I think I saw it, like I don't know. It was like a Hulu or maybe never. It was somewhere where I could like binge all of it. And I was like, let me watching the fun at JOL. Everybody's not bad about how I didn't it There the show ending and a show getting canceled, Yeah, that's true. That's true when your show get I don't feel like people who show got canceled in their shows in a different way than people who show Like if your show gets canceled, like listen, you're starting to shoot like the sixth season of your show, and you're like, listen, this is your lap. You're getting You're not getting a seventh season. You're getting canceled. You're atty canceled. I'm not getting in a seventh season. Right if you don't know it's coming, I think you end your show in a different way as opposed to like people who work on the show going we've decided that the sixth season is our last season. It feels like those shows that get like canceled like that, it's almost like a fuck you to the Sometimes it's been like a fuck you to the audience, or that one was like, but be nice to us, like we watched the show. Yeah. And I think that so much of the industry is just circling around money that people don't think about the fact that even if you are going to end something prematurely, give people time to let it end well because you never know this. This might be like TikTok is teaching us right now that things that we cast away a long time ago, that we thought were old and washed up can have a resurgence. They can have a resurrection, you know what I mean, Like like like song, like many songs, So many songs have gone viral because of TikTok and its research. The careers of the people who made the song, like, who didn't that happen to Lizzo because Lizzos. I thought that Lizzo song that popped off was a song she had actually put out a while back, and it didn't pop once you put it out, but then it blew up on TikTok way later. All that happened. That that's why that that's kind of what I mean. I'm not talking about like Hella hella old bands. I'm just saying, look at Firefly. Firefly was this show that people thought ended too early. They got real upset, and they got such a rabbit fan base that now that's an interested fan base, you know wants the show. You won't even have to guess as an executive, like a cult following, but they're still not going to bring the show gare. But that's also what happens when you end something in a way that leaves people wanting more of it. If you just ended abruptly, people people are either gonna be like, why would I ever start this? Or why would I watch the whole thing? Maybe I just stopped where I want to stop. You're you're never gonna get the analytics for a resurgence you know, I'll ask you this, what movie and you can ask me the opposite way, what movie would you want to see turned into a TV show? Some of it's already happened, So what we do in the Shadows was funny, and I think the show is funny. I think that if Guy Ritchie's The Gentleman could be turned into a TV show, we could see way more of the characters and the you hated it or you just haven't seen it. I haven't seen out what it is. There's just so many layers to that movie that I want to expand it, and I think that that would be a great TV show, if nothing else, Just for me, what about you? Is there a show that you want a movie version of? Because the one benefit I can say the other way around is that you can compress in a movie. If you do it too much, you ruin the movie. But you can compress in a movie a lot of what could have been a show and just really bottle it up and give someone a nice present of you look at Top Gun and the New Top Gun right twenty years in between those two movies, but it picks up right back where it left off, and it leaves us in a three years. Oh, you're right, thirty years. Yep, that's a whole lifetime. So do you have a show that you want to be a movie? I don't always. You don't think it'll always see the benefit of turning a TV show into a movie, because you are, you're bottling things up and you're like trying to because it's like, what would be that I'll give you something that that will help you. The best time to do a movie based off a TV show is when the TV show is ended. Okay, a check in. You know, Arthur TV show, Arthur TV show, Arthur movie. Yeah, Arthur movie. So it's let's say d W starting kindergarden, Arthur's finally going to the fourth grade. Because Arthur has been in the third grade for quite a while. He's been held back. I mean everyone in his life has baby Kate has been a baby college. No, no, I'm with you. His parents are almost desirous. But also, they were rebooting all these TV shows. The only black show they rebooted was The Game, and the Game is very good. Why are we not rebooting like we were Bootiful House? We can't reboots, you know, I think that Queen Latifa is too successful to reboot Living single note most they can afford her. They can't. They can't, they can't. That's the problem is that a lot of these people from some of these famous like black sitcoms, they either they either have gone on to make too much money and they're just not interested, or something has happened. Family matters. You can reboot family matters. You're right, family matters. Family matters really just family matters. Now I think about it. Everything else I can think of is is like, a, you're not rebooting Martin, You're not brothers. No, you're not rebooting girl friends because Tracy, all this ross is two friends and we already got a low key girlfriend's reprout when they brought her friends on an episode of Blockish. Yeah yeah, I would say, Oh, I know a TV show that we was able to blend doing movies by still having their show Sick. But I think because Psych was an hour long TV show, yeah, translate, their movies were just an hour and a half. Yeah, yeah, the TV shows is a little bit longer. You have to go for the commercial frights. But Fact did a great job, you much a little bit. Psych loved that, so so I'll throw I'll throw it to you all the listeners. We you know, we've been talking about this back and forth for quite a while. I feel like we've both made some very good points. We both know how we feel about certain shows programs now, but we want to hear how you feel. Okay, is it TV shows for you? Is it movies? And look, far be it from me to bring down movies. If you don't think I did a good job, but you still love movies, you can let me know. All right, Lord knows, I'm finding out how everybody feels about me after that Tomato thing, So like, just go catch up with Tomato suit. You're crazy, man. People aren't coming at you like. I'm not offended. I understand why they're doing it. 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Hello, friends, welcome to Hold Up Podcast. I asked the question, do we need to be talking about this? But we are. I am Duel Say Slam, and I am a comedian, and I am a correspondent on the Daily Show, and I do the voice of Honeybee of the Great North on Fox. Please the Man introduced my co host, Josh jaw Song. Hey, how's everybright doing? Mat john tell you what you do? So? I'm also a comic. I do stand up also right at the Daily Show, and I'm also online on the internet. You can find me on the Things at Josh Johnson Comedy. I'm excited about today's subject. Yeah, I can tell. Thank you so much. Um. Today's subject is movies versus TV series. M h and Joshua, where do you fall on these movies versus TV series? I mean, I'm movies all day, all right, I'm movies on a plane, I'm movies in bed, I'm movies, you know, like, even even sometimes when i know I'm not gonna be able to finish it, I still will turn on a movie before I get into a show. Obviously, TV shows, and I think I like TV shows because I think because I'm a trained actor, which a lot of people don't know. Also, Josh is also trained in the theater arts as well, not so much performance, but like, no, not performance at all. It's actually just lighting. It's it's not very hard though, like I've had to read. I can read a lighting plots. I can hang lights, cut gaels and certain of gaels, gobos, the whole nine. But I don't know how to like program a lightboard. M h, I'm with you. Yeah, it can be difficult. Acting to me is still wow, it's a lot. It's hard, no matter what people think. Um so I think for me because I am a trained tour and people gonna say, oh, don't you mean actress? No, I don't. Just so like people will say, like with comedians, oh don't you mean comedian, bitch? If I met comedian, I would say comedian, I'm a comic. I like a TV series because I said, as an actor, I want to see more of the character. Right, So, because of the movie, you establish your character and then the movie is over. So unless they do a sequel to this movie, all of the information that you have about these people, all of the storylines that you can have happening at one movie and it's done. Like, I love the movie Karena Karna, Right, It's one of my favorite movies. But we don't know what happened when ellenor grows up. We don't want to happen if do what we go burg Arelli on his character get married, helld on, you find out no further information about them. Because once a movie over, girl, it is over. But it's not like these, you know, Marvel movies where they got a hundred and six or three of them that come out, and any superhero that ever breaks the pages of a comic book is going to be thrown in an outfit put on the TV. That's what. That's what like three seven Marvel movie. Okay, this is no, no, no, I know. I'm with you. I'm with you. There will be three seven one day. We're not there yet, but there there. Yeah. But my thing is when you when you talk about that specific aspect of why you think TV shows are better, I actually think that that's what ruins things for me when I watched TV is because you run a show so long that eventually a character does something that's low key out of character. So now you're like, why would why would they even do that? They spent four seasons being this, this, this way, and then they just switch it up and now they're just a whole different person, you know, where it's with a movie movie, m we know who they are, and then it's over. This is one of those situations where I'm not trying to convince you that TV is better m hm. I'm trying to say that I like a TV Okay. I think a good compromise for you would be a like a Spanish novella, like a telenovela or a Korean drama. So like a lot of Korean dramas that I wife, it's about sixteen to maybe forty episodes and then the show is over. Now, if it's a super super popular series, they could bring it back, like the Boys of a Flower series. They brought those back sometimes, but for the most part, once the show was over, the show is over and you and it never comes back again. So maybe if you're looking into, like wanting that movie feel of there's a story, this part of these people's story ends, then I think that like the Koreans I'm or the tell novella would be the way to go. Because with the TV series there's plenty of like there is a show called this is My Kind to people I've been watching on Hulu. It was a Fox show. It's like these black people that live in like the Hamptons or something, very old black money. This girl trying to get it. And the first season ended with a cliffhanger, hmm, and I don't know it's coming back. You've got to watch the movie and being like, I wonder if this movie is coming Yeah, I I assume every movie is just one episode long, you know. And also the thing for me that makes movies, in my opinion, superior, is that I just told you I'm not trying to make this competity you keep trying to make this is that what this whole podcast is me trying to keep the peace. You out here going for violence, It's it's some of it. It's it's definite going to be an aspect woow, because I think most of the time you think that I'm no one going for violence. When think I don't think, what do you mean? If you have to say what you mean? You know what I mean, don't do that. Don't do that because you know absolutely fucking right that the two things with movies that you don't get with TV shows is that First of all, a movie can have a premise that you can't make a show out of. Example, I think that they're there's a movie called Coffee Town that fine, very funny, that enjoy very much, and it's just a movie about a guy who goes to the same coffee shop to work every day and the little hierarchy he has a little like ecosystem in there, and then they're gonna shut down his coffee shop, so he tries to save it. You can't make a whole show about that. Yeah you can. Every episoloday is doing something different trying to save the show. I mean, if you got to save the coffee shop and that made different ways across seasons, it should be closed. But if it's just a him where it's like, hey, we're thinking about, you know, maybe selling this coffee shop, building something that was like, no, I love this coffee shop. Maybe this corporate environment will disappear. If I can heighten the crime rate around this coffee shop, they won't want to buy here, you know. And now just that one idea, right, and so then that that that's one reason. And then the second reason is that no one can cancel your movie in the middle of the movie once the movie exists. That's not true. That's what happens with TV shows all the time. So you're telling me you've watched a movie on a plane that was done. Yeah, the movie doesn't stop in the middle. They made the movie. They don't always make the movie. I understand things and lose funding, but I'm talking about once they put it out there is out there with the whole story. You don't have to hope and wait and pray that your favorite movie gets renewed every six months. I hear it. You're saying. So you don't like the heartache, because like, I've watched shows where it's like, y'all, y'all. Sair Lester was on this show about like going through time and mid season the show got canceled. M And then there was a show that Shonda Rhyme tad that she was tacking where it was it called star Crossed, So it was like basically what happens to the Capulettes and the Montague after Romeo and Juliet died. Yeah, but I think they show got canceled because they open casted there. Open casting was so open you couldn't even keep track of who the families were because people would just start because like Shakespeare, people just start talking m hm. So I was like, well, who the funk is this? It would be great to go to a play with you, and you've never seen the play before, right, but it's done in that Shakespeare style. So there's someone just walks on from the opposite stage side. You know, we've been looking at stage left this whole time. Somebody enter stage right and just starts a conversation, and then you're in the audience just going now, who the hell listen. I have seen plenty of Shakespeare plays. I've built sex for Shakespeare plays, and but I think you realized, like when you're walking, but like anytime you're watching any shot, a character pops up and someone has to introduce the character. What really bothers me in a TV show or movie is, like you said, you put it perfectly, when a character enters, you have to address that character. You have to tell us who they are. But I it actually bothers me in my bones when the writing is so bad that they just say all that just exposition. So somebody will walk in and they'll be like, oh, disseus keg of what are you up to today? Well, that's why sometimes Shakespeare would introduced characters. Yeah. Yeah, and it's it's the what a Shakespeare brilliant poetry sonnets for whatever? That thing. That thing made me want to throw my book at English class. I'm like, who, because who talks like that? You You've made us a spend disbelief for this entire scene, and then you ruin it because at the edge you're like, oh, hello, mother, who were now meeting at act to C three? But it's like you're watching show and like even in a movie like somebody Walking? Anybody? Fuck? Is this? Like? I just wish that somebody would write a TV show or a movie that made it easier to watch with your parents. Sure, yeah, because if you're watching a TV show or a movie. Two, who is that my mom kind of watching this movie? As long as you've been watching this movie, I don't know he is either. I think we're about to find out. We're about to find out what. I'm just trying to make sure I know what's going on, Mama. You know as much I have as much information as you have. I don't know who the funk this man is. Just got here, Let's see she will pause something. Some fact We'll tell me who that is is the one that just got here? Who is he? We think he might be this person, but we think this person unpaused TV to find out who he is. Now, I'll even throw this out there so you know my situation. I was raised with my mom, my aunt, my grandma, and my granddad. Because my granddad and I were outnumbered, the TV was always under the control of the rest. You know. It's just so we watched a lot of Lifetime Movie Network, and we watched a lot of What's the other one, a lot of a little bit of we and then some TV one. Right now, I'm not saying I never got control of the TV. I got to watch my cartoons and stuff. But I'm just saying, for like prime time hours, hey what you watch? Saying like everybody else, everybody else, No, I'm completely with you. All I'm saying is but when those weren't on, When those weren't on, it was Lifetime Movie Network. And I think that some of that is what sparked some of my love for movies because then there because the movie would sometimes be poorly written, there was no there were no extra questions to ask, so you just had to accept everything. It gave you everything, and then and then my thing was there was just one movie. I wish I could remember it, but I was a teenager and everybody, what I tell you, everybody in the movie look alike. It's like it's like they were casting the lead and they just loved everybody so much. They were like, put him in the movie to give him a part. Put him in the movie as well, because every dude looked like the lead. And he was an average sized, average build and had dark hair m hmm, and a little bit of stubble, a little bit of stuffle of it, just a little bit to let you know that he enjoys the outdoors, build some furniture by hand. But he has a good job. He can handle a splinter. He's gonna be all right. But what he could also do is listen, m hm. Becauld your last boyfriend from the city. Lifetime movies are amazing because it's always someone leaving the big city and coming back home at the Hallmark because we had no help. There's five of us watching right, and all of us, everybody in the house is like, why she kissing him? I thought that he was no, No, that one is. Her husband is it, Are you sure? And and the movie is a regular style movie, so there's characters that other characters are diametrically opposed to, so there there'll be characters argue it. And it looked like he yelling at a mirror. He's just yelling at himself in his workshop. Yeah, and both got on. Was it plaid shirts? Yeah, flatel Yeah, and jeans and a boot. Everybody looked like the bounty man. Everybody looks like the bounty man. And all of the girls are in some type of cardigan situation simsible, they're always wearing it, they're always cold. All of these lifestyle movies are set in the fall. I've never seen a lifestyle movie the summertime. Everybody has too much clothes on. There's too much clothes on. She's probably blonde, m h. And then there's another blonde and everybody drink out of a mug with both hands. You've never seen anything like Everybody, no matter who it is, they all just cupping. How do you have Well, we're gonna have a bachelorette party, but I just wanted to do something more intimate. And it's five white women under one giant blanket, all watch in their own movie, a version of the movie that they're in drinking hot poker because the last time she drunk she got too wild, and wild means drove through a Wendy's drive through like just yes, like oh my god, like those movies. But it's like, I think this is why people like, Okay, we have to make sure that we cater to like Middle America. And I don't think the people understand that Middle America is all of America. You don't think there's people in New York the only people. And there's not a woman in l A watching a fucking Lifetime movie holding both of her hands on a mug. You don't think that's happening on a mug that says you already know it, Live, laugh and love. I think that when it comes to Lifetime shows, they have a little bit more of a of a replay value as shows. You know, um, when I look at we want to look at Oxygen bride Zillas. How could you not? I would watch bride Zills with my mom. We didn't we didn't even know what binging was in two thousand and two, and my mom and I were watching bride Zilla NonStop. Who you do those reality TV shows. We all need those reality TV shows and it's MTVS fault. But well, actually, the first reality show I think was Cops. I think it was Cops. But the one that really took off with Survivor was Survivor before Real World. I think it was at the same time frame, but I think Survivor was slightly before Real World. I remember watching Big Brother House and being like, what after the second season. I was like, what the funk am I doing? M this means no sense. I'm I don't know what comic it is. Who has a joke about the show Naked and Afraid? He was like, I was watching that show Naked and Afraid. How could I ask myself? Why are they naked? Yeah, you're afraid naked? But where they naked? Yeah? Also, you know they don't win anything? What do you mean? Okay? So, okay, I know, I know we're going Tangent after Tangent, but this is it is important that you know. It's important that you know that show they don't win like Survivor and all these other shows money, Right, Survivor they win money. They w Naked and Afraid. No, no, Survivor, they'll win. I think they win a million. Now, oh sidebar. You know, if you win anything on television, you have to pay taxes on it. Hard, Yes, yes, you have to pay every tax And that's why open gave all the other cars. People got mad because they're like, a right, gay me a car. No one tell me I'm gonna have to pay the taxes on this, bitch. Yeah you also, yeah, if you just wouldn't have aired given me the car. If you if you had come back from commercial and been like everyone, this audience is very happy, aren't they. Everybody just nodding, that would have been a very different situation. But but when Oprah points to you as says you have a car, look at the I r S is also like, yes, he has a car. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure there's some one person job at the I r S just to watch game shows. Yeah. Yeah, because people't really like if you like, you don't when you have like the showcase showdown on the Crisis, right, I didn't think about that. All of those vacations, the jet skis, that living room set, all of those like applying anything, living room set, appliance, his trips, boats, a t VS, fucking gear supply to tide h you have to pay taxes on that. That's wild bunch of furniture that probably won't fit in your house. You got seven thousand dollars with furniture, and Nan pay Jaxon and Smetown Long Fresh is the California taxes? The taxes at your house? Because if I came from across country play the prices right, and I lived in Gary, Indiana, who was shipping this living room set to Gary, Indiana? Me or CBS No? I think I think they have to or else you didn't win anything. I think the network paying for you to get the thing has to send it to you or else you've wanted nothing, you hope, because I think Open getting the cars out, the people were like, keep them, keep it. I'm a pant tax keeper, but this is your car. I an't sign ship. I came for free tickets to a TV show. Japer, you gave me a car, the body, this car, you gave me this car, su this car. I thought she bought two undred cars and they just had to pay the taxes on, which is why they were upset, right, because I think somebody who was just like, didn't she just pay the taxes? And it's like, well, it's not her car. I think she shouldn't pay the tax. Also, it doesn't it doesn't have the same ring to it. It's like you get a car to years worth of taxes. You get a car to year. I think I'm gonna say they haven't come up with any reality show like reality movies other than like Jackass. Oh that's that's that's fair. I think Jackass is the only one. Right. We're doing so much dumb ship. Why fitted into a season? Just give us two solid hours in your life to see how many times we can hit each other in the time. I mean, it's it's it's more than that, though. It really is more. It's about friendship, and it's about skateboarding off roofs, and it's about getting punched by professional people that punch. Okay, I did not know that you were a Johnny Knostial fan. I'm not even saying I'm a huge fan of the series. I'm just saying I see more in it than just shot to the jackets. I mean, you're you're putting that on me right now, I am saying, so you're a jacket. I've said nothing on the sword. I am saying right now that there's more to that series Slash movies than, you know, than just the ball shots. There's also farting in yoga studios, mid Lesson, you know, there's there's just there's layers. You should just be respectful of what they've built. You couldn't even say it, couldn't even finish it. But also it's like some stuff shouldn't be a movie, like they trying to have a Captain Planet live action movie now, No, definitely not a sincere one. The don Cheatle Captain Planet is one of the greatest Captain and it's all it's hilarious. There are a lot of movies that translate two shows, which in my opinion, just bolsters my point because it's like this this movie is so good that we want to see more of it. And so I think that sometimes when you have a TV show and they do a movie version of it, it's like lackluster. It's just like it's fine. I think it could go both ways, because it's like, Okay, Buffy the Vampire Slayers the movie not de Bret, Okay, the TV show fucking amazing, all right, And then like the Star Trek movies are supplements to the TV series where like you can get people like like one of the Star Trek movies, you actually have like Picard meet Kirk and they actually live like a hundred year part so there's a rifting time and they get to meet each other and all of that. So you get to see like your favorite because it's just science fiction to my knowledge, and you know, listeners can right in if I'm wrong or whatever. I'm sure they'll let me know. I feel like, no, it's just it's just it's it's funny because like it's not it's not in a bad way, like I'm not upset or anything, but I truly have catch a hell for that Tobato Soup episode, like hope are people dm in you? Yeah? Yeah? People are people are? Yeah? Uh so you were trying to make sure you couldn't lose and you said something so wild people have saved the town on their day. Yeah, Joshua is ze Heel Johnson. Mm hmm, you're wild as hell. Bro TV has the advantage as well, along with Reality TV, of having a game show because there aren't really game show movies, you know, well, they try to do that with those choose are on adventure movies. Remember Netflix trying to do that ship. And but this is the thing about those choes are on a venture movies, the ending is are ready to turn. You have two different endings, but they're still determined. So you're trying to choose you on the venture movies, and if you go in the choice that it didn't have because the thing is, the choices can't be infinite. You can't film for every saying. So eventually get to a point and I'd be like, yeah, you have to make a different choice, Like no, bitch, this wasn't my choice. Yeah, yeah, you're just making me choose like those shoes. You're on a venture book, the book would be sucking a thousand pages as opposed to the hundred because I want to fifth grown level what Yeah, yeah, I'm I understand what you're saying. I just feel like those are those are two obvious advantages. But I think that to your point about there sometimes need to be more creativity for a TV show, I think that that's what creates the marginal error. I didn't say there's any even more creating for a TV show. I was saying that because movies are finite. Because movies your story has a beginning, middle, and an end. You only have to be as you only have to be creative enough to tell this story. I see. It's like there's a show that I like. It's a Canadian TV show called The Murdoch Mysteries. The show has been on it just they just had their fifteenth season and they're hour long shows. So for you to be able to maintain to keep the audience interested for this long, you have to be able to create more content, create more characters. Is his character to die off this character and to comeback? Is his character a nemesis at some point somebody is if all in love out a fucking kid. That's what I'm saying. It requires more creativity to do a TV show because you have to pre creating more context m because America doesn't do shows. If your show doesn't get canceled, you just have to keep making more show. And that thing. That thing specifically is one of the reasons I think movies edge it out too. Because the Brits Korean dramas novellas, I think they do it right. They work. I'm gonna right now the Brest. I want to work Loser. You gave me four episodes in the season. There's this Australian show none. The show from New Zealand called Broken Wood Mystery only six episodes of the season. They don't work. No, no, no, no no. My thing is, how do you make any more? They must pay them so much money to do those episodes, because I don't think I don't think they do either. I think that I think that's why they come come here, and they do movies and TV here, and I think that they give you just enough that you always want more, all right. I think that that even if even if it makes you upset, even if you can't stand the fact that they stopped at three or four or six episodes, you still are like, oh, that's a good show. I wish they did more. They don't do it often enough, and when they do it, they don't give us enough, you know. And so I'm saying that the way the audience, yeah, I'm saying the way that they do that is perfect. I think American TV does this thing for me where let's say there's a movie of something and there's a TV show of something. The TV show may very well be better than the movie. But I think on a long enough timeline, the quality which almost always happens, which is why anytime it doesn't happen. We call that show the greatest show ever made. The quality over years tends to decline, or characters start repeating stories, or like everything either becomes the same or the way that it changes people don't like. I think that on a long enough timeline, the show falling apart then makes the movie better because you have to look at each thing as a auty of work. And so when I see the body of work of a TV show that ran too long versus the body of work of maybe a movie about that same thing, I think that the show definitely has the opportunity to be greater than the movie. But if the show goes on for too long, the movie edges it out because we can't stop, we can't act like all the seasons of the show didn't happen, And so if the later seasons of that show ruined the show, then the show is ruined. That's why people get upset. So it was an example of a TV show that went on for too long. I won't say it went on for too long, and I haven't watched all of it, so then i'm I'm Maybe people are gonna tell me I'm I'm wrong, But I think that clearly, almost everyone I've ever talked to that watched the show is upset with the way that they end a Game of Thrones, right, And if you're this mad about the way they ended Game of Thrones, it makes a new person who's not involved not want to start Game of Thrones because you're telling me I'm a fall in love with something that everyone agrees they ruined. Oh, like the TV show Lost, Like I never saw Lost, and how angry people were about the ending of Loss. I was like, oh, I'm not because I've seen it. I think I saw it, like I don't know. It was like a Hulu or maybe never. It was somewhere where I could like binge all of it. And I was like, let me watching the fun at JOL. Everybody's not bad about how I didn't it There the show ending and a show getting canceled, Yeah, that's true. That's true when your show get I don't feel like people who show got canceled in their shows in a different way than people who show Like if your show gets canceled, like listen, you're starting to shoot like the sixth season of your show, and you're like, listen, this is your lap. You're getting You're not getting a seventh season. You're getting canceled. You're atty canceled. I'm not getting in a seventh season. Right if you don't know it's coming, I think you end your show in a different way as opposed to like people who work on the show going we've decided that the sixth season is our last season. It feels like those shows that get like canceled like that, it's almost like a fuck you to the Sometimes it's been like a fuck you to the audience, or that one was like, but be nice to us, like we watched the show. Yeah. And I think that so much of the industry is just circling around money that people don't think about the fact that even if you are going to end something prematurely, give people time to let it end well because you never know this. This might be like TikTok is teaching us right now that things that we cast away a long time ago, that we thought were old and washed up can have a resurgence. They can have a resurrection, you know what I mean, Like like like song, like many songs, So many songs have gone viral because of TikTok and its research. The careers of the people who made the song, like, who didn't that happen to Lizzo because Lizzos. I thought that Lizzo song that popped off was a song she had actually put out a while back, and it didn't pop once you put it out, but then it blew up on TikTok way later. All that happened. That that's why that that's kind of what I mean. I'm not talking about like Hella hella old bands. I'm just saying, look at Firefly. Firefly was this show that people thought ended too early. They got real upset, and they got such a rabbit fan base that now that's an interested fan base, you know wants the show. You won't even have to guess as an executive, like a cult following, but they're still not going to bring the show gare. But that's also what happens when you end something in a way that leaves people wanting more of it. If you just ended abruptly, people people are either gonna be like, why would I ever start this? Or why would I watch the whole thing? Maybe I just stopped where I want to stop. You're you're never gonna get the analytics for a resurgence you know, I'll ask you this, what movie and you can ask me the opposite way, what movie would you want to see turned into a TV show? Some of it's already happened, So what we do in the Shadows was funny, and I think the show is funny. I think that if Guy Ritchie's The Gentleman could be turned into a TV show, we could see way more of the characters and the you hated it or you just haven't seen it. I haven't seen out what it is. There's just so many layers to that movie that I want to expand it, and I think that that would be a great TV show, if nothing else, Just for me, what about you? Is there a show that you want a movie version of? Because the one benefit I can say the other way around is that you can compress in a movie. If you do it too much, you ruin the movie. But you can compress in a movie a lot of what could have been a show and just really bottle it up and give someone a nice present of you look at Top Gun and the New Top Gun right twenty years in between those two movies, but it picks up right back where it left off, and it leaves us in a three years. Oh, you're right, thirty years. Yep, that's a whole lifetime. So do you have a show that you want to be a movie? I don't always. You don't think it'll always see the benefit of turning a TV show into a movie, because you are, you're bottling things up and you're like trying to because it's like, what would be that I'll give you something that that will help you. The best time to do a movie based off a TV show is when the TV show is ended. Okay, a check in. You know, Arthur TV show, Arthur TV show, Arthur movie. Yeah, Arthur movie. So it's let's say d W starting kindergarden, Arthur's finally going to the fourth grade. Because Arthur has been in the third grade for quite a while. He's been held back. I mean everyone in his life has baby Kate has been a baby college. No, no, I'm with you. His parents are almost desirous. But also, they were rebooting all these TV shows. The only black show they rebooted was The Game, and the Game is very good. Why are we not rebooting like we were Bootiful House? We can't reboots, you know, I think that Queen Latifa is too successful to reboot Living single note most they can afford her. They can't. They can't, they can't. That's the problem is that a lot of these people from some of these famous like black sitcoms, they either they either have gone on to make too much money and they're just not interested, or something has happened. Family matters. You can reboot family matters. You're right, family matters. Family matters really just family matters. Now I think about it. Everything else I can think of is is like, a, you're not rebooting Martin, You're not brothers. No, you're not rebooting girl friends because Tracy, all this ross is two friends and we already got a low key girlfriend's reprout when they brought her friends on an episode of Blockish. Yeah yeah, I would say, Oh, I know a TV show that we was able to blend doing movies by still having their show Sick. But I think because Psych was an hour long TV show, yeah, translate, their movies were just an hour and a half. Yeah, yeah, the TV shows is a little bit longer. You have to go for the commercial frights. But Fact did a great job, you much a little bit. Psych loved that, so so I'll throw I'll throw it to you all the listeners. We you know, we've been talking about this back and forth for quite a while. I feel like we've both made some very good points. We both know how we feel about certain shows programs now, but we want to hear how you feel. Okay, is it TV shows for you? Is it movies? And look, far be it from me to bring down movies. If you don't think I did a good job, but you still love movies, you can let me know. All right, Lord knows, I'm finding out how everybody feels about me after that Tomato thing, So like, just go catch up with Tomato suit. You're crazy, man. People aren't coming at you like. I'm not offended. I understand why they're doing it. I'm just saying I'm acknowledging that's happening. So if you're looking to catch up with us, um you can. You can follow the podcast obviously you probably are now if you're listening to it, you can tell a friend about it. That helps even more. You can check us out on all the socials. You can find dul Say Sloan on Everything as dul Say Sloan, and you can find me as Josh Shahnson comedy, because the thing is the more or lesseners we get, then eventually we'll be able to do this live in front of an audience. And that's what wants. Yeah, that's what everybody wants, is just to be snapped finally, you know, just all the way completely stamp just like how did you just rip your shirt? Like yeah, yeah, I didn't ask for this, all right? Grilled cheese is a castle and then I'll walk off. Hot Dogs are a sandwich. Tell you something right now, hot dogs is steak at Anybody who says differently can fight me. 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