During 2001, Max began to branch out & do more shows in Tulsa, Oklahoma. One venue where many legendary Metal shows happened was at 69th & South Lewis in Tulsa, called The Otherside. We discuss talk about many Otherside shows like Hatebreed, Shadows Fall, Clutch, Murphys Law, Wasp, Lamb of God, Mushroomhead, Soil, Mudvayne, American Head Charge, as well as, The Rollins Band show where Jay Ramone meets Max for the first time! This was the Nu Metal era of Otherside shows. Any band in that genre played at the Otherside. We also discuss the September 11th, 2001 show that ended up cancelling & what concerts were like after that American tragedy!