In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian is joined by new co-host Angela Degrassi for a conversation about access to oral antiviral treatments for COVID-19, especially for older adults and people living with chronic disease.

Prompted by a new CDC report and supported by findings from a recent Global Healthy Living Foundation survey, the discussion explores a troubling pattern: awareness of COVID antiviral treatments may be high, but many high-risk patients still do not receive them when they test positive.

Dr. Popovian explains why prescribing appears to rise when COVID is dominating headlines and then fall when public attention fades, even though patient risk has not changed. He and Angela discuss the real-world barriers that can stand in the way of timely treatment, including missed prescribing opportunities, delays in testing, out-of-pocket costs, and uncertainty about eligibility.

This episode highlights a simple but important message: for high-risk patients, timely treatment should be part of the care plan, not an afterthought. It also offers practical guidance for patients and caregivers on what to do immediately after testing positive and why acting quickly can make all the difference.

COVID-19 Antiviral Prescription Receipt Among Outpatients Aged ≥65 Years

COVID-19 Oral Antiviral Treatments Among U.S. Patients with Chronic Conditions

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian is joined by new co-host Angela Degrassi for a conversation about access to oral antiviral treatments for COVID-19, especially for older adults and people living with chronic disease. Prompted by a new CDC report and supported by findings from a recent Global Healthy Living Foundation survey, the discussion explores a troubling pattern: awareness of COVID antiviral treatments may be high, but many high-risk patients still do not receive them when they test positive. Dr. Popovian explains why prescribing appears to rise when COVID is dominating headlines and then fall when public attention fades, even though patient risk has not changed. He and Angela discuss the real-world barriers that can stand in the way of timely treatment, including missed prescribing opportunities, delays in testing, out-of-pocket costs, and uncertainty about eligibility. This episode highlights a simple but important message: for high-risk patients, timely treatment should be part of the care plan, not an afterthought. It also offers practical guidance for patients and caregivers on what to do immediately after testing positive and why acting quickly can make all the difference.
<a href="https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/75/wr/pdfs/mm7506a1-H.pdf">COVID-19 Antiviral Prescription Receipt Among Outpatients Aged &ge;65 Years</a>
<a href="https://ghlf.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Awareness-and-Access-to-COVID-19-Oral-Antiviral-Treatments-Among-U.S.-Patients-with-Chronic-Conditions.pdf">COVID-19 Oral Antiviral Treatments Among U.S. Patients with Chronic Conditions</a><a href="https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/340b/docs/2025report.pdf"></a>
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S7, Ep 4- COVID Antivirals: Are High-Risk Patients Missing the Window?

In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian breaks down the 340B drug pricing program through the lens that matters most: what it means for patients. Prompted by Minnesota’s latest transparency report, he explains how a program originally created to support care for uninsured and underinsured patients has grown into one of the largest and least understood drug programs in the country. 
 
Dr. Popovian unpacks how the program works, why contract pharmacies have become such a major part of it, and what the newest data suggest about who is benefiting most. He also raises a critical question: if hospitals and affiliated entities are receiving deep discounts on medicines, why are so many patients still facing high out-of-pocket costs? 
 
This episode explores whether the 340B program is truly delivering on its original mission and why greater transparency, accountability, and patient benefit should be at the center of the conversation. 

Minnesota 340B Covered Entity Report 2025

Minnesota 340B Covered Entity Report 2024

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert&nbsp;Popovian&nbsp;breaks down the 340B drug pricing program through the lens that matters most: what it means for patients. Prompted by Minnesota&rsquo;s latest transparency report, he explains how a program originally created to support care for uninsured and underinsured patients has grown into one of the largest and least understood drug programs in the country.&nbsp; &nbsp; Dr.&nbsp;Popovian&nbsp;unpacks how the program works, why contract pharmacies have become such a major part of it, and what the newest data&nbsp;suggest&nbsp;about who is benefiting most. He also raises a critical question: if hospitals and affiliated entities are receiving deep discounts on medicines, why are so many patients still facing high out-of-pocket costs?&nbsp; &nbsp; This episode explores whether the 340B program is truly delivering on its original mission and why greater transparency, accountability, and patient benefit should be at the center of the conversation.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/340b/docs/2025report.pdf">Minnesota 340B Covered Entity Report 2025</a>
<a href="https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/340b/docs/2024report.pdf">Minnesota 340B Covered Entity Report 2024</a>
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S7, Ep 3- 340B: Are Patients Seeing the Savings? 

Pharmacy Benefit Manager (PBM) reform has reached a turning point. In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc are joined by Bob Schenk, RPh, to break down the latest wave of federal and state reforms, including the FTC settlement with Express Scripts.

From pharmacy-level claims transparency to rebate reform and vertical integration, the conversation explores what’s changed, what’s still missing, and how these shifts could affect employers, patients, and healthcare costs nationwide.

As regulatory pressure builds, the big question remains: will transparency lead to true accountability, or simply new revenue strategies?

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Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: bblanc@ghlf.org

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Pharmacy Benefit Manager (PBM) reform has reached a turning point. In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc are joined by Bob Schenk, RPh, to break down the latest wave of federal and state reforms, including the FTC settlement with Express Scripts.
From pharmacy-level claims transparency to rebate reform and vertical integration, the conversation explores what&rsquo;s changed, what&rsquo;s still missing, and how these shifts could affect employers, patients, and healthcare costs nationwide.
As regulatory pressure builds, the big question remains: will transparency lead to true accountability, or simply new revenue strategies?
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Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: <a href="mailto:rpopovian@ghlf.org">rpopovian@ghlf.org</a>
Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: <a href="mailto:bblanc@ghlf.org">bblanc@ghlf.org</a>
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S7, Ep 2- PBM Reform at an Inflection Point: What Comes Next?

In this season premiere of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc are joined by Dr. Wayne Winegarden, Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for Medical Economics and Innovation at the Pacific Research Institute, to discuss a new economic study revealing the true cost of influenza in America.

The study finds that influenza imposed a $29 billion economic burden during the 2023-24 season; $16 billion in direct medical costs and $13 billion in lost productivity. Using 14 seasons of CDC data, the research demonstrates that higher adult vaccination rates are significantly associated with lower hospitalizations and mortality, particularly among adults aged 50 and older.

The conversation explores why adult vaccination rates have declined, what drives the real economic impact of flu season, and why employers, especially small businesses, should view vaccination as a critical workplace investment. Dr. Popovian and Dr. Winegarden break down the data and discuss actionable solutions for healthcare systems, employers, and policymakers to close the gap between what we know works and what's actually happening.

To access the full study and white paper, click here.

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Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: rpopovian@ghlf.org

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In this season premiere of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc are joined by Dr. Wayne Winegarden, Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for Medical Economics and Innovation at the Pacific Research Institute, to discuss a new economic study revealing the true cost of influenza in America. The study finds that influenza imposed a $29 billion economic burden during the 2023-24 season; $16 billion in direct medical costs and $13 billion in lost productivity. Using 14 seasons of CDC data, the research demonstrates that higher adult vaccination rates are significantly associated with lower hospitalizations and mortality, particularly among adults aged 50 and older. The conversation explores why adult vaccination rates have declined, what drives the real economic impact of flu season, and why employers, especially small businesses, should view vaccination as a critical workplace investment. Dr. Popovian and Dr. Winegarden break down the data and discuss actionable solutions for healthcare systems, employers, and policymakers to close the gap between what we know works and what's actually happening. To access the full study and white paper, <a href="https://linktr.ee/InfluenzaEconStudy">click here</a>. Contact Our Hosts
Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: <a href="mailto:rpopovian@ghlf.org">rpopovian@ghlf.org</a>
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S7, Ep 1- The $29 Billion Problem: Understanding Influenza's True Economic Toll

In this episode of Healthcare Matters, our hosts unpack the evolving conversation around drug pricing reform—focusing on a new proposal often referred to as “TrumpRx.” Drawing from Robert’s recent co-authored article The Promise of TrumpRx, they explore how direct-to-consumer purchasing, pricing transparency, and reforming the rebate-driven PBM system could reshape what patients actually pay at the pharmacy counter.

Robert breaks down how PBMs influence list prices, why rebate contracting misaligns incentives, and how deductibles and co-insurance calculations leave many patients, especially those with chronic illnesses, paying more than they should. The conversation also outlines four key policy changes that would be necessary for any TrumpRx-style model to meaningfully benefit patients, including allowing cash prices to count toward deductibles and extending transparency to both employers and consumers.

The conversation explores how upcoming policy shifts, including changes tied to the IRA, may influence drug affordability and how clearer pricing information could help patients make more informed decisions about their care.

You can read Robert’s full article here: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/promise-trumprx-robert-popovian-vskne/

To watch all the interviews we captured at ACR, visit: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf0iG26PiXMtANSCb4wklzYdqPueqUNdx&si=5TK2MbGJNcyGv9GC 

You can find all Informed Immunity episodes here: https://ghlf.org/informed-immunity/

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Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: rpopovian@ghlf.org

Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: bblanc@ghlf.org

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, our hosts unpack the evolving conversation around drug pricing reform&mdash;focusing on a new proposal often referred to as &ldquo;TrumpRx.&rdquo; Drawing from Robert&rsquo;s recent co-authored article <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/promise-trumprx-robert-popovian-vskne/">The Promise of TrumpRx</a>, they explore how direct-to-consumer purchasing, pricing transparency, and reforming the rebate-driven PBM system could reshape what patients actually pay at the pharmacy counter.
Robert breaks down how PBMs influence list prices, why rebate contracting misaligns incentives, and how deductibles and co-insurance calculations leave many patients, especially those with chronic illnesses, paying more than they should. The conversation also outlines four key policy changes that would be necessary for any TrumpRx-style model to meaningfully benefit patients, including allowing cash prices to count toward deductibles and extending transparency to both employers and consumers.
The conversation explores how upcoming policy shifts, including changes tied to the IRA, may influence drug affordability and how clearer pricing information could help patients make more informed decisions about their care.
You can read Robert&rsquo;s full article here: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/promise-trumprx-robert-popovian-vskne/?trackingId=zZkz7HnHlWZTXcb4iwrdyg%3D%3D">https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/promise-trumprx-robert-popovian-vskne/</a>
To watch all the interviews we captured at ACR, visit: <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf0iG26PiXMtANSCb4wklzYdqPueqUNdx&amp;si=5TK2MbGJNcyGv9GC">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf0iG26PiXMtANSCb4wklzYdqPueqUNdx&amp;si=5TK2MbGJNcyGv9GC</a>&nbsp;
You can find all Informed Immunity episodes here: <a href="https://ghlf.org/informed-immunity/">https://ghlf.org/informed-immunity/</a>
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S6, Ep 10- TrumpRx & the Future of Drug Pricing: What Patients Need to Know

In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc unpack key findings from the recent Global Healthy Living Foundation’s national survey on access to COVID-19 oral antivirals.

As federal emergency support phases out, how are high-risk patients navigating access to these lifesaving treatments? Dr. Popovian highlights persistent knowledge gaps, reimbursement hurdles, and policy inconsistencies that continue to disrupt real-world uptake. From provider barriers to state-by-state disparities, he explores what’s standing in the way — and offers actionable solutions to help ensure these therapies reach the patients who need them most.

To access and download the full report (PDF) click here.

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Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: rpopovian@ghlf.org

Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: bblanc@ghlf.org

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc unpack key findings from the recent Global Healthy Living Foundation&rsquo;s national survey on access to COVID-19 oral antivirals.
As federal emergency support phases out, how are high-risk patients navigating access to these lifesaving treatments? Dr. Popovian highlights persistent knowledge gaps, reimbursement hurdles, and policy inconsistencies that continue to disrupt real-world uptake. From provider barriers to state-by-state disparities, he explores what&rsquo;s standing in the way &mdash; and offers actionable solutions to help ensure these therapies reach the patients who need them most.
To access and download the full report (PDF) <a href="https://ghlf.org/issues/vaccines/vaccine-resources/#report">click here</a>.
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Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: <a href="mailto:rpopovian@ghlf.org">rpopovian@ghlf.org</a>
Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: <a href="mailto:bblanc@ghlf.org">bblanc@ghlf.org</a>
A podcast series produced by Ben Blanc.
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S6, Ep 9- High Awareness, Low Access – Inside the COVID-19 Antiviral Gap

In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian breaks down the complex but critical connection between vaccine policy and access in the United States. Our hosts examine how guidance from the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) can affect not only where patients can get vaccinated but also whether healthcare providers are reimbursed for administering those vaccines.

From immunization reimbursement to state scope-of-practice laws, Dr. Popovian outlines real-world barriers and provides practical solutions needed to ensure vaccines reach the people who need them most.

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Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: rpopovian@ghlf.org

Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: bblanc@ghlf.org

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We want to hear what you think. Send your comments, or a video or audio clip of yourself, to podcasts@ghlf.org

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian breaks down the complex but critical connection between vaccine policy and access in the United States. Our hosts examine how guidance from the CDC&rsquo;s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) can affect not only where patients can get vaccinated but also whether healthcare providers are reimbursed for administering those vaccines.
From immunization reimbursement to state scope-of-practice laws, Dr. Popovian outlines real-world barriers and provides practical solutions needed to ensure vaccines reach the people who need them most.
Contact Our Hosts
Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: <a href="mailto:rpopovian@ghlf.org">rpopovian@ghlf.org</a>
Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: <a href="mailto:bblanc@ghlf.org">bblanc@ghlf.org</a>
A podcast series produced by Ben Blanc.
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S6, Ep 8- Making Sense of Vaccine Guidelines: What Patients and Providers Should Know

In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc sit down with Dr. Alison Bailey, Chief of Cardiology for Centennial Heart at Parkridge in Chattanooga, Tennessee and a Physician Director of Cardiovascular Disease for HCA Healthcare, to explore how policy decisions can help—or hinder—innovation in cardiovascular care.

They discuss the hidden consequences of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) for small molecule drug development, the promise of gene-targeted therapies like siRNA, and why medical research funding remains vital for turning new science into life-saving treatments.

Tune in to learn why smarter incentives and stable funding are key to tackling America’s growing cardiovascular crisis.

Among the highlights in this episode:

03:28: Dr. Bailey shares her passion for cardiovascular prevention, emphasizing how patient education and access shape outcomes

04:12: Dr. Bailey discusses the concerning rise in cardiovascular death rates in the U.S. despite advances in treatment, pointing to lifestyle factors and health inequities

05:35: Ben asks about the impact of small molecule therapies in cardiology and how the Inflation Reduction Act may affect future drug development

06:04: Dr. Popovian explains how the IRA’s Maximum Fair Price (MFP) policy shortens market exclusivity for small molecules, reducing incentives for new cardiovascular treatments

08:40: Dr. Bailey expands on how genetically targeted small molecules, like siRNA therapies, are game-changers for cholesterol and rare cardiac conditions, but policy must support their development

10:50: Ben asks about the consequences for patients if companies shift focus away from small molecules. Dr. Bailey warns that fewer innovations could limit treatment options and worsen health disparities

12:15: Dr. Popovian explains how small molecules remain essential for oral medications that improve adherence, affordability, and widespread access—especially in chronic conditions like heart disease

13:00: Ben brings up the bipartisan MINI Act, which aims to align protections for certain targeted small molecule therapies with biologics to maintain incentives for innovation

14:45: Dr. Bailey supports the MINI Act as a practical fix that would encourage more investment in next-generation therapies and benefit cardiovascular patients

16:20: Dr. Popovian highlights the risk of medical research funding cuts, stressing that NIH funding drives discoveries that pharma can’t tackle alone

18:05: Dr. Bailey gives real-world examples of now-standard heart medications that came from decades of NIH and industry collaboration, underscoring the need for stable funding

19:00: Dr. Popovian adds that even widely used generic drugs like beta blockers for heart failure exist today because of federally funded research

20:40: Dr. Popovian and Dr. Bailey agree that more clinician voices are needed to help policymakers see the real impact of drug policy on patient care

22:00: Dr. Bailey closes by stressing that these therapies are not hypothetical—they are real and available now but require supportive policy to reach all patients who need them

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Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: rpopovian@ghlf.org

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc sit down with Dr. Alison Bailey, Chief of Cardiology for Centennial Heart at Parkridge in Chattanooga, Tennessee and a Physician Director of Cardiovascular Disease for HCA Healthcare, to explore how policy decisions can help&mdash;or hinder&mdash;innovation in cardiovascular care.
They discuss the hidden consequences of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) for small molecule drug development, the promise of gene-targeted therapies like siRNA, and why medical research funding remains vital for turning new science into life-saving treatments.
Tune in to learn why smarter incentives and stable funding are key to tackling America&rsquo;s growing cardiovascular crisis.
Among the highlights in this episode:
03:28: Dr. Bailey shares her passion for cardiovascular prevention, emphasizing how patient education and access shape outcomes
04:12: Dr. Bailey discusses the concerning rise in cardiovascular death rates in the U.S. despite advances in treatment, pointing to lifestyle factors and health inequities
05:35: Ben asks about the impact of small molecule therapies in cardiology and how the Inflation Reduction Act may affect future drug development
06:04: Dr. Popovian explains how the IRA&rsquo;s Maximum Fair Price (MFP) policy shortens market exclusivity for small molecules, reducing incentives for new cardiovascular treatments
08:40: Dr. Bailey expands on how genetically targeted small molecules, like siRNA therapies, are game-changers for cholesterol and rare cardiac conditions, but policy must support their development
10:50: Ben asks about the consequences for patients if companies shift focus away from small molecules. Dr. Bailey warns that fewer innovations could limit treatment options and worsen health disparities
12:15: Dr. Popovian explains how small molecules remain essential for oral medications that improve adherence, affordability, and widespread access&mdash;especially in chronic conditions like heart disease
13:00: Ben brings up the bipartisan MINI Act, which aims to align protections for certain targeted small molecule therapies with biologics to maintain incentives for innovation
14:45: Dr. Bailey supports the MINI Act as a practical fix that would encourage more investment in next-generation therapies and benefit cardiovascular patients
16:20: Dr. Popovian highlights the risk of medical research funding cuts, stressing that NIH funding drives discoveries that pharma can&rsquo;t tackle alone
18:05: Dr. Bailey gives real-world examples of now-standard heart medications that came from decades of NIH and industry collaboration, underscoring the need for stable funding
19:00: Dr. Popovian adds that even widely used generic drugs like beta blockers for heart failure exist today because of federally funded research
20:40: Dr. Popovian and Dr. Bailey agree that more clinician voices are needed to help policymakers see the real impact of drug policy on patient care
22:00: Dr. Bailey closes by stressing that these therapies are not hypothetical&mdash;they are real and available now but require supportive policy to reach all patients who need them
Contact Our Hosts
Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: <a href="mailto:rpopovian@ghlf.org">rpopovian@ghlf.org</a>
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A podcast series produced by Ben Blanc.
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S6, Ep 7- Cardiovascular Breakthroughs and Policy Pitfalls: A Conversation with Dr. Alison Bailey

In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc dive into a recent paper published in the Journal of Health Economics and Outcomes Research that explores the unintended consequences of drug price-setting under the Inflation Reduction Act. Using real-world modeling focused on Eliquis and Xarelto—two widely used anticoagulants—Dr. Popovian discusses how Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) may shift costs onto patients in response to federal pricing reforms, potentially increasing the risk of treatment abandonment, hospitalization, and death.

Tune in as our hosts break down how pricing policy, rebates, and transparency intersect—and why policymakers must act now to protect patient access.

Among the highlights in this episode:

00:45: Ben introduces the topic of the episode: how new drug pricing rules that aim to lower costs could unintentionally increase out-of-pocket expenses and reduce access for patients

01:12: Robert discusses GHLF’s recent paper, which he co-authored and that was published in the Journal of Health Economics and Outcomes Research, on the potential risks of the IRA’s Maximum Fair Price (MFP) policy

To access he full paper, visit: https://jheor.org/article/125251-could-the-inflation-reduction-act-maximum-fair-price-hurt-patients

02:16: Robert explains how the MFP allows the federal government to set prices for high-spend Medicare drugs and how this disrupts the current rebate model used by PBMs

03:38: Robert describes how PBMs and insurers may respond to lower drug prices by shifting medications to higher formulary tiers or increasing patient cost-sharing to make up for lost rebate revenue

05:10: Ben transitions to the study’s real-world modeling and asks why Eliquis and Xarelto were chosen as the focus

05:42: Robert explains that these two anticoagulants were selected because they are widely used among older adults and come with serious risks if treatment is abandoned

06:55: Ben highlights the human cost of non-adherence and prompts Robert to detail the real-world health outcomes if patients stop taking these drugs

07:23: Robert cites published data showing that increased out-of-pocket costs lead to medication abandonment—and in the case of Eliquis and Xarelto, that can mean higher risks of stroke, heart attack, and death

09:16: Ben asks about transparency in drug pricing and how the current system makes it difficult to understand what patients actually pay

09:38: Robert explains how PBMs deliberately obscure drug pricing, rebates, and patient costs, calling it a “black box” that benefits from secrecy and ultimately harms patients

12:07: Robert calls on Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to monitor both formulary coverage and out-of-pocket costs for MFP drugs, ensuring that price controls don’t backfire by limiting access or shifting costs to patients

13:20: Robert references a real-time tracking tool from the Pioneer Institute that supports the findings of his study and shows actual increases in out-of-pocket costs for MFP drugs

You can access the Pioneer Institute’s tool here: https://pioneerinstitute.org/the-inflation-reduction-act-ira-overview/

14:59: Robert reinforces that the IRA’s price-setting goals are noble—but without oversight of PBM behavior, patients could be harmed by unintended policy consequences

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Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: bblanc@ghlf.org

A podcast series produced by Ben Blanc.

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc dive into a recent paper published in the Journal of Health Economics and Outcomes Research that explores the unintended consequences of drug price-setting under the Inflation Reduction Act. Using real-world modeling focused on Eliquis and Xarelto&mdash;two widely used anticoagulants&mdash;Dr. Popovian discusses how Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) may shift costs onto patients in response to federal pricing reforms, potentially increasing the risk of treatment abandonment, hospitalization, and death.
Tune in as our hosts break down how pricing policy, rebates, and transparency intersect&mdash;and why policymakers must act now to protect patient access.
Among the highlights in this episode:
00:45: Ben introduces the topic of the episode: how new drug pricing rules that aim to lower costs could unintentionally increase out-of-pocket expenses and reduce access for patients
01:12: Robert discusses GHLF&rsquo;s recent paper, which he co-authored and that was published in the Journal of Health Economics and Outcomes Research, on the potential risks of the IRA&rsquo;s Maximum Fair Price (MFP) policy
To access he full paper, visit: <a href="https://jheor.org/article/125251-could-the-inflation-reduction-act-maximum-fair-price-hurt-patients">https://jheor.org/article/125251-could-the-inflation-reduction-act-maximum-fair-price-hurt-patients</a>
02:16: Robert explains how the MFP allows the federal government to set prices for high-spend Medicare drugs and how this disrupts the current rebate model used by PBMs
03:38: Robert describes how PBMs and insurers may respond to lower drug prices by shifting medications to higher formulary tiers or increasing patient cost-sharing to make up for lost rebate revenue
05:10: Ben transitions to the study&rsquo;s real-world modeling and asks why Eliquis and Xarelto were chosen as the focus
05:42: Robert explains that these two anticoagulants were selected because they are widely used among older adults and come with serious risks if treatment is abandoned
06:55: Ben highlights the human cost of non-adherence and prompts Robert to detail the real-world health outcomes if patients stop taking these drugs
07:23: Robert cites published data showing that increased out-of-pocket costs lead to medication abandonment&mdash;and in the case of Eliquis and Xarelto, that can mean higher risks of stroke, heart attack, and death
09:16: Ben asks about transparency in drug pricing and how the current system makes it difficult to understand what patients actually pay
09:38: Robert explains how PBMs deliberately obscure drug pricing, rebates, and patient costs, calling it a &ldquo;black box&rdquo; that benefits from secrecy and ultimately harms patients
12:07: Robert calls on Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to monitor both formulary coverage and out-of-pocket costs for MFP drugs, ensuring that price controls don&rsquo;t backfire by limiting access or shifting costs to patients
13:20: Robert references a real-time tracking tool from the Pioneer Institute that supports the findings of his study and shows actual increases in out-of-pocket costs for MFP drugs
You can access the Pioneer Institute&rsquo;s tool here: <a href="https://pioneerinstitute.org/the-inflation-reduction-act-ira-overview/">https://pioneerinstitute.org/the-inflation-reduction-act-ira-overview/</a>
14:59: Robert reinforces that the IRA&rsquo;s price-setting goals are noble&mdash;but without oversight of PBM behavior, patients could be harmed by unintended policy consequences
Contact Our Hosts
Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: <a href="mailto:rpopovian@ghlf.org">rpopovian@ghlf.org</a>
Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: <a href="mailto:bblanc@ghlf.org">bblanc@ghlf.org</a>
A podcast series produced by Ben Blanc.
We want to hear what you think. Send your comments, or a video or audio clip of yourself, to <a href="mailto:podcasts@ghlf.org">podcasts@ghlf.org</a>
Listen to all episodes of Healthcare Matters on our website or on your favorite podcast channel.

S6, Ep 6- The Cost of Savings: How Drug Price Reform May Hurt Patients

In this special live episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc bring you insightful conversations from the 2025 World Vaccine Congress in Washington, DC. Joined by leading experts—including Richard Hughes, Abby Bownas, Rekha Lakshmanan, and Tommy Acciani—they explore the current landscape of adult immunization policy, funding threats to vaccine infrastructure, misinformation challenges, and what’s next for vaccine innovation.

From coalition-building and provider reimbursement to legal barriers and access equity, this episode unpacks the complex, cross-sector challenges and solutions shaping the future of adult vaccines in the U.S.

Among the highlights in this episode:

02:00: Ben provides an overview of the World Vaccine Congress and its cross-sector focus on vaccine equity, innovation, and public health policy

04:00: Abby Bownas shares that one of the most urgent needs in adult vaccination policy is restoring and protecting funding for immunization infrastructure, from doses to education to data

05:30: Abby highlights how cross-sector partnerships between public health and healthcare systems are key to maintaining vaccine access, especially amid funding cuts

06:50: Robert reflects on Abby’s interview, emphasizing the rising hesitation around adult immunization and the importance of education and legislative engagement

08:00: Tommy Acciani shares that successful policy innovation must come from collaboration—not silos—and that events like the Congress create space to unite stakeholders

09:00: Tommy identifies major remaining barriers to adult vaccination, including outdated policies, lack of provider reimbursement, and under-supported patient-provider conversations

11:15: Tommy flags the coming end of the CDC’s Bridge Access Program as a major funding threat, particularly to local clinics and federally qualified health centers

12:40: Tommy reflects on hearing vaccine pioneer Dr. Stanley Plotkin speak, underscoring how vaccines remain one of the most impactful public health interventions of our time

14:00: Rekha Lakshmanan explains that many state-level vaccine policy fights now center on efforts to weaken school immunization requirements and increase opt-outs

16:10: Rekha shares that coalitions play a critical role in fighting misinformation by serving as trusted, community-embedded messengers—not government entities

17:00: Rekha argues that the U.S. lacks a national culture of adult immunization and calls for normalizing vaccine conversations across all age groups

18:00: Rekha ends on a hopeful note, saying the passion and collaboration on display at the Congress reaffirm the strength of the vaccine ecosystem

19:00: Robert emphasizes Rekha’s unique experience at the intersection of pharma, policy, and grassroots coalitions in Texas—the epicenter of a measles outbreak

20:00: Richard Hughes says this year’s Congress feels different, with more concern about regulatory uncertainty and federal political interference in vaccine policy

21:00: Richard shares that his legal background allows him to spotlight access, reimbursement, and constitutional issues that affect vaccine policy at all levels

22:10: Richard explains that questions are mounting about the legal boundaries of what the administration can and cannot do around mandates, access, and injury compensation

23:10: Richard expresses deep concern over misinformation and disinformation coming from high levels of government, calling it one of the greatest current threats to public health

25:00: Ben turns the spotlight on Robert, who shares key findings from his presentation on adult immunization research

26:00: Robert highlights that pharmacies—not physician offices—are the most accessible vaccination sites for adults, especially in low-income communities

27:00: Robert calls out two major policy barriers: risk-based recommendations and Shared Clinical Decision Making (SCDM), both of which limit access in pharmacy settings

28:30: Robert also shares that GHLF research found a 26% cost premium when patients receive vaccines in physician offices vs. pharmacies, showing why pharmacy access is also a cost issue

29:30: Robert recaps a panel he moderated about provider support in underserved communities, where key themes were vaccine hesitancy and reimbursement issues

30:00: In closing, Robert says the one word that sums up the energy at this year’s Congress is “optimism”—with the private sector showing renewed commitment to driving progress in adult vaccine access

Contact Our Hosts

Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: rpopovian@ghlf.org

Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: bblanc@ghlf.org

A podcast series produced by Ben Blanc.

We want to hear what you think. Send your comments, or a video or audio clip of yourself, to podcasts@ghlf.org

Listen to all episodes of Healthcare Matters on our website or on your favorite podcast channel.

In this special live episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc bring you insightful conversations from the 2025 World Vaccine Congress in Washington, DC. Joined by leading experts&mdash;including Richard Hughes, Abby Bownas, Rekha Lakshmanan, and Tommy Acciani&mdash;they explore the current landscape of adult immunization policy, funding threats to vaccine infrastructure, misinformation challenges, and what&rsquo;s next for vaccine innovation.
From coalition-building and provider reimbursement to legal barriers and access equity, this episode unpacks the complex, cross-sector challenges and solutions shaping the future of adult vaccines in the U.S.
Among the highlights in this episode:
02:00: Ben provides an overview of the World Vaccine Congress and its cross-sector focus on vaccine equity, innovation, and public health policy
04:00: Abby Bownas shares that one of the most urgent needs in adult vaccination policy is restoring and protecting funding for immunization infrastructure, from doses to education to data
05:30: Abby highlights how cross-sector partnerships between public health and healthcare systems are key to maintaining vaccine access, especially amid funding cuts
06:50: Robert reflects on Abby&rsquo;s interview, emphasizing the rising hesitation around adult immunization and the importance of education and legislative engagement
08:00: Tommy Acciani shares that successful policy innovation must come from collaboration&mdash;not silos&mdash;and that events like the Congress create space to unite stakeholders
09:00: Tommy identifies major remaining barriers to adult vaccination, including outdated policies, lack of provider reimbursement, and under-supported patient-provider conversations
11:15: Tommy flags the coming end of the CDC&rsquo;s Bridge Access Program as a major funding threat, particularly to local clinics and federally qualified health centers
12:40: Tommy reflects on hearing vaccine pioneer Dr. Stanley Plotkin speak, underscoring how vaccines remain one of the most impactful public health interventions of our time
14:00: Rekha Lakshmanan explains that many state-level vaccine policy fights now center on efforts to weaken school immunization requirements and increase opt-outs
16:10: Rekha shares that coalitions play a critical role in fighting misinformation by serving as trusted, community-embedded messengers&mdash;not government entities
17:00: Rekha argues that the U.S. lacks a national culture of adult immunization and calls for normalizing vaccine conversations across all age groups
18:00: Rekha ends on a hopeful note, saying the passion and collaboration on display at the Congress reaffirm the strength of the vaccine ecosystem
19:00: Robert emphasizes Rekha&rsquo;s unique experience at the intersection of pharma, policy, and grassroots coalitions in Texas&mdash;the epicenter of a measles outbreak
20:00: Richard Hughes says this year&rsquo;s Congress feels different, with more concern about regulatory uncertainty and federal political interference in vaccine policy
21:00: Richard shares that his legal background allows him to spotlight access, reimbursement, and constitutional issues that affect vaccine policy at all levels
22:10: Richard explains that questions are mounting about the legal boundaries of what the administration can and cannot do around mandates, access, and injury compensation
23:10: Richard expresses deep concern over misinformation and disinformation coming from high levels of government, calling it one of the greatest current threats to public health
25:00: Ben turns the spotlight on Robert, who shares key findings from his presentation on adult immunization research
26:00: Robert highlights that pharmacies&mdash;not physician offices&mdash;are the most accessible vaccination sites for adults, especially in low-income communities
27:00: Robert calls out two major policy barriers: risk-based recommendations and Shared Clinical Decision Making (SCDM), both of which limit access in pharmacy settings
28:30: Robert also shares that GHLF research found a 26% cost premium when patients receive vaccines in physician offices vs. pharmacies, showing why pharmacy access is also a cost issue
29:30: Robert recaps a panel he moderated about provider support in underserved communities, where key themes were vaccine hesitancy and reimbursement issues
30:00: In closing, Robert says the one word that sums up the energy at this year&rsquo;s Congress is &ldquo;optimism&rdquo;&mdash;with the private sector showing renewed commitment to driving progress in adult vaccine access
Contact Our Hosts
Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF: <a href="mailto:rpopovian@ghlf.org">rpopovian@ghlf.org</a>
Ben Blanc, Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF: <a href="mailto:bblanc@ghlf.org">bblanc@ghlf.org</a>
A podcast series produced by Ben Blanc.
We want to hear what you think. Send your comments, or a video or audio clip of yourself, to <a href="mailto:podcasts@ghlf.org">podcasts@ghlf.org</a>
Listen to all episodes of Healthcare Matters on our website or on your favorite podcast channel.

S6, Ep 5- Immunization at a Crossroads: Experts Weigh In from the World Vaccine Congress

Welcome to Healthcare Matters! In this podcast, we talk about 'matters' in healthcare and why it matters to you! 

Our host Ben Blanc will speak with our talented Chief Science Officer Robert Popovian. And together, we will take on some pretty complex topics and distil them, so everyone can understand what is happening in the world of healthcare. 

The show is brought to you by the Global Healthy Living Foundation. 

www.ghlf.org

Welcome to Healthcare Matters! In this podcast, we talk about 'matters' in healthcare and why it matters to you! 
Our host Ben Blanc will speak with our talented Chief Science Officer Robert Popovian. And together, we will take on some pretty complex topics and distil them, so everyone can understand what is happening in the world of healthcare. 
The show is brought to you by the Global Healthy Living Foundation. 
www.ghlf.org

Healthcare Matters

A podcast that pulls back the curtain to help you make sense of complex healthcare economics and policy issues. Our goal is to help simplify the complexities in healthcare economics and policy issues for you.

The podcast is part of the Global Healthy Living Foundation Podcast Network and hosted by Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF.

 

A podcast that pulls back the curtain to help you make sense of complex healthcare economics and policy issues. Our goal is to help simplify the complexities in healthcare economics and policy issues for you.
The podcast is part of the Global Healthy Living Foundation Podcast Network and hosted by Dr. Robert Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF.
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