Dr. Owen Strachan interviews Jinger Duggar Vuolo about her background in the Gothardist system and her journey to disentangle her faith from fear. They discuss the harmful teachings of Bill Gothard, the founder of the system, and how it promoted legalism, fear, and control. Jinger shares her experience of growing up in the public eye and the pressure to conform to the strict rules and expectations. She also talks about her journey to true Christian faith and the freedom she found in Christ.