The Only Competition is the Status Quo with Jenny Nguyen

Published Dec 23, 2024, 8:15 AM

Jenny Nguyen, founder of The Sports Bra women’s sports bar in Portland, Oregon, joins Sarah to discuss her transition from chef to bar owner, betting her life savings on her vision, how opening the bar changed her relationship with her parents, and how to know a risk is worth taking. 

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Everybody's getting something women's sports related, because you know, we got a reputation to a fold. It's Monday, December twenty third, and on today's show, we're skipping the need to know and jumping straight into my fantastic conversation with Jenny Wynn, founder of the sports Bra women's sports bar in Portland, Oregon. We discuss her transition from chef to bar owner, betting her life savings on her vision for the sports Bra, how her relationship with her parents changed as a result of her big leap, and what she still hopes to achieve. That conversation's coming up right after.

This, joining us now.

She's a former chef turned bar opener and game changer founder of the sports Bra in Portland, Oregon. She's inspired a handful of women's sports bars across the country and is in the process of opening sports Bra franchises in other cities. Classically trained at La Courdonbleaux, racking up frequent flyer mind, I was like a boss my partnering crime in the South of Frances past summer.

It's Jenny Wynn. What's up, Jenny, Hey.

Thanks for having me, Sarah. This is awesome. Congrats on the show too. This is so rad. Just been following you, It's been so awesome.

Thank you.

I have to say, unlike the rest of my guests or most of my guests, I've seen you more in person than virtually because we keep ending up at all the same events, which is so fun.

That's how I know your flyer miles are going up.

Let's go back to the beginning of how you got here. Tell me about your sports background when you were growing up, either playing or watching or both.

Sure. Yeah, so born and rased in Portland, Oregon, so kind of like birthed into the Trailblazer landscape, you know, it was in my veins and then so super early on, I picked up a basketball, probably around five or six years old, and never put it down. My dad, he grew up in Vietnam, so big soccer country, and so he tried to like guide me in that direction, but it was just not for me. Literally, people would kick the soccer ball towards me and I'd pick it up and start dribbling and people would be like, okay, I forget it. So started playing ball really early, and then I basically stopped playing around the time I opened the sports bra, just out of sheer exhaustion. But yeah, I would say that it started out with playing, and then as I got older, it became a little more watching. So probably around I would say, probably later in high school, I started to like dabble in watching more women's sports. I was always watching the Blazers and like having my heart broken like literally every season. But yeah, and then you know, eventually I got old enough to start drinking and going to bars, and that's kind of when you know, my friend group and I just became regulars at different sports bars around town.

Okay, so just to take you behind the scenes, I just asked Jenny if she was in the kitchen of the restaurant because I'm hearing what I thought was like whisks and knife cuts and like, oh, the preparation of another hard day at work. And She's like, ah, no, that's my girlfriend wearing slippers, dragging her feet walking around. So if she returns and you hear that, I'm going to pretend it's ratitui going nuts back there.

I like it.

I like that's my preferred visual.

Okay, So, prior to opening the sports bra, you had fifteen years of cooking experience, four plus years of being an executive chef. What was your specialty, what was your preferred kind of cuisine? And did you think at the time like that was what you were going to do with your life?

No? I mean, so I graduated college and immediately enrolled in culinary school because I felt like that was what people did. And then culinary school was I was fast tracked.

Wait which people people who wanted to be chefs or just people.

Who wanted to be chefs.

I was like, is this a Portland thing? It sounds like a Portland thing.

I guess this is what people do. So that's what I did.

Am I a co op or go to school, go to cooking schools, start a brewery exactly?

But unlike some of the other students that were in school, I worked while I was in school, So I got a full time kitchen job. So I was able to do like the school work and do like the hands on learning, and they both really resonated to me, like at the same time. So I was able to like get the book work, the nerdy stuff, really fancy things at the at the chef's school. And then I got to like be on the ground, like in the nitty gritty, working my way up in the back, in the back of the.

House, and you thought that was going to be the future.

Yeah. I was just like I was in love as soon as that ticket machine started cranking. And there's like the fire, the thrill, the burns, the just you know, the blood, sweat and tears and like that little bit of abuse and just like going through a war like with your team, like every night. It was just it was really addicting. You know, it's not for everybody for sure, but like I immediately fell into it and I just I craved it. I loved it, and on my days off I thought about it. You know, it was just like I wish I was back there, which is crazy to say, especially you know, in my early twenties.

Yeah, the way you talk about it sounds like a sport totally.

Yeah, And I didn't really actually put those two together until way later on. But absolutely it is a team. And you know, there's weakest links. There's like big personalities obviously in kitchens, and then there's like people have their different strengths and trying to figure out what they are and then work really well together and then go through absolute hell together like every single night, and some nights are awful and some nights you're like riding the biggest wave. Yeah. So yeah, I absolutely loved it, and I worked my way up pretty quick because of you know, I was just driven and I craved the challenge, and I think that, you know, later on, people were starting to ask me if I would ever open my own restaurant, and I was just like, no, absolutely not, Like I don't love anything enough to work that hard, because you know, I started out at like mom and pop restaurants and I was able to like witness what it can do to somebody like drug abuse, alcohol abuse, losing their kids, getting divorced, Like this is just not a glamorous lifestyle for anybody, and it was just for me. I wanted to punch in, punch out, you know, and so even though my culinary skills got better and better, I just never wanted to take that other leap into ownership.

Yeah, the business side is completely different than maybe what drives you in the cooking side. You actually had a stretch of five years before opening the sports bra where you were unemployed, which fits in with what you just said, because I read an interviewer he said you actually didn't mind it for a while. You sort of liked the idea of not being beholden too anything. You just did some sort of Craigslist jobs every once in a while.

What were some of the jobs you did. What were some of the postings you responded to Sarah, you do your.

Research, damn. So one thing that I was really good at, so I'm generally really good with my hands. I love like crafty things. So one thing that was really easy for me was painting, like interior painting. So I did a lot of painting gigs. There was an old Victorian house in North Portland that was probably seven bedrooms and like twelve foot ceilings, and they needed somebody to paint like one room, and I was just like okay, And I went in there and I knocked it out and they were like, okay, how about you paint every room? And I was just like okay. And so like that was more money than I knew what to do with at the time. But yeah, like those kinds of gigs, and then there was a like an older lady who her husband had just passed away, and they were they weren't hoarders, but they had a lot of stuff in this house that they'd lived in together for like fifty years, and so she needed somebody to come and like organize, and so I came in and just like spent like a week reorganizing and like just getting my hands into things and helping and helping out and just making some extra cash to like travel and things like that.

But then during the pandemic, you sort of got the bug and you were like, as much as it's fun to not have to do very much, it feels like I'm being called to do something, and something that relates to the larger conversations going on in the world, and that includes the conversations around women's sports. It seems like a no brainer now, like you did it, and now everyone's doing it, and we're all like, why weren't we doing this before? But sometimes people do need to see a vision or an idea in reality to realize how much it's needed. What was your why for opening the sports bron Why did you believe that it was worth trying to do?

Yeah, I mean that's a great question. And I feel, like, you know, I often hear people say, God, why hasn't this existed before? And a lot of it has to do with content. I mean, if we go back and we think about where women's sports content was even ten years ago, there just isn't enough and like the basis of a sports bars to be able to watch something. So even though the idea and you know, and the concept sounds really great, the actual ability to execute it just wasn't there until very recently. And so that's a big part of it. But yeah, I you know, I had been unemployed for over five years comfortably like I was. I was totally fine wearing my jammi's day and day out, and and like you said, not beholden anybody, And there was that path of comfort. And I, for folks who know me really well, I'm very risk averse and like I will measure things out and take I will take inventory. I will decide what's the best case scenario and what's the worst case scenario, and then weigh it out and see if I can live with the worst case scenario. And so when I got to you know, I got to the point where it was literally the fork in the road where it's like, Okay, I either have to do this. Because it was taking up so much of my emotional and mental like everything, I was just thinking about it all the time. I was like, I either have to do this or I have to let it go and just be done with it. And I really didn't know. I was really kind of leaning, honestly towards letting it go because of the comfort and the fear of risking it all. And there was one day where I was sitting with this woman I was dating at the time. She had played basketball her entire life. We met playing pickup basketball here in Portland, and we were just sitting around and I said to her, I go, can you imagine if our parents took us to a place like the Sports bra when we were seven. Let's say we were seven years old, and what it would have felt like to feel like we belong somewhere, or like we were being like we were seen and represented, Like what that would feel like? And she said, what if we were twelve? And I go, what if we were fifteen and then seventeen, and then twenty one and then thirty. And we both realized that there was really never a place that really spoke to us in the ways that we felt we were. We most identified as you know, as as queer folks, as athletes, as female athletes. And it was at that moment where I I kind of up until that point, I was really thinking about how my life would change, you know, me as a at the time, I was forty two years old, me as a forty two year old, you know, emptying out my bank account, putting my like, putting my house on a on a lease, and just like all of these different changes and what that would look like and how it would impact me and my life personally. And that's how that's the viewpoint I had. And I think that as women, we often are I mean, and maybe this's is gross generalization, but I often feel like I'm better at taking care of somebody else than I am at taking care of myself. Like I will advocate for a friend of mine more than I will advocate for myself. And at that moment, when I thought about me as a seven year old walking into a place like the sports bra I was able to kind of remove, you know, myself from it and thought about a kid, like a little kid, and what that space could mean to somebody like them, and at that moment was kind of I think that that was the tipping point for me. I was just like, I have to do this, and it became less of a choice of deciding this path or this path. It felt more like I have to do it for her, because honestly, I thought about if one kid comes into the BRA and they look on the TV and they see a future for themselves in sports or they feel like they belong for the very first time, the whole place could go up in flames and like be a failure and that one kid.

It's worth it.

It's worth it. It's absolutely worth it. And to me, like the fear of failure did not outweigh the joy of making a difference for at least one person. And so I was just like, you know what, I got to do it, and if it crashes and burns, so be it. But my idea that I would regret it was far outweighed far. Yeah.

One of the few bars probably where the answer to what was your why was do it for the kids.

Get up this bar, for the.

Children who need to go, who need a place to go, get a good drink.

That's it.

Yeah, So you had to raise extra money to launch the bar. You had to presumably convince family, friends' potential investors that this was a good idea. Did you land on a tagline or a sentence that you felt like after a while, you're like, this is the one that works, this is what gets them going.

Well, okay. So when I thought about the sports bra that that name came really early on back in twenty eighteen, and immediately I was just like, oh, I have a tagline for it. It's we support women, and I just like laughed. I laughed and laughed to myself. I was in the car by myself, just thinking I was the funniest person. And then when I sat down to actually write a business plan, there was a question in there that asked, you know, describe your competitors your competing market. And I wrote one sentence under there, and I wrote the only competition is the status quo. And I didn't know what else to write under there, so I left it blank. And so I didn't know at the time that that was going to become like an additional tagline, but it became something that I put like, it's how all my emails end, it's on our receipts, it's on our menu so it kind of like this other kind of a keystone to our.

Yeah, and what a great way to pitch it to people to say, there's.

A wide open space.

I promise you we won't be competing with anything directly like it. What was the biggest learning curve for you starting and opening your own business because it wasn't something you wanted to do with your own restaurant for a number of reasons that you already elucidated. So when you did finally do it, what was the thing that was toughest for you to figure out or to figure out that was your responsibility?

Yeah, I mean I when it comes to the business side, there is no singular answer. All of it was so so hard. But the key for me and I think it was difficult because I used to be a chef. So as a chef, I feel like I had to put on like this air of like arrogance and like confidence and knowing everything, like that's just how chefdom works, you know, That's what it felt like to me. And so as soon as I decided to open the Sports Sprat, I had to confront like my ego and just be like, you know what, I literally don't know Jack and the only way that this is gonna end. Like you know again, I thought about seven year old Johnny, and I knew that I would do whatever it took to get this thing off the g around, and that included saying goodbye to this old ego and tossing it aside and being like, listen, I don't know anything. I need so much help, and then reaching out and asking people like full on god, I love that friends everything. So that was step one, and so learning at like a rapid pace, and I feel like with the franchise now, it's like the learning has never stopped being like a vertical wall. It feels like a vertical wall this entire time. I mean, if we think about it, we haven't been open three years yet. April will be three years. So what has happened in the last two plus years is a lot for somebody not in the business world. So that was on the business side, I would say everything was very, very hard, but made easier once I said goodbye to this old version of my myself that was just like super ego, like you know whatever, and then just like ask for help, try to learn as much as you can and wrap in the community. So that was huge. The other part, which is more personal, is that that I am quite the introvert, and so suddenly becoming the face of something that was being kind of blown up, not just locally but internationally even right from the get go, was a very tough pill for me to swallow. That was something I was not prepared for. Like I had watched my friends open businesses, like there's like a little bit of business, like little tiny little bit of business knowledge about what it kind of takes to start a restaurant, and having been a chef, I knew like the ins and outs of inventory and training and all of that stuff. But what I wasn't prepared for was the cameras, the speaking engagements, the interviews, and the photographs and like all of the things on top of starting a business. Those two in combination were very, very difficult.

Yeah, you mentioned in an interview that you had to unlearn some of the toxic attitudes and behaviors of the restaurant industry, not just because your ego didn't serve you when you needed to be a learner, but also to be a boss and a leader at a place that you wanted to create. And that makes so much sense, right, Part of when women, especially or any you know, marginalized groups or people who are not well represented, when they try to create spaces for themselves and for people more like them, one of the first things they have to do is ask the question, why is this this way? And does it have to be because it's hard to create something new without recreating what we've seen over and over again, and sometimes we have to stop and say, to your point about the status quo, why is this this way? Does it have to be that way? Or are we just doing it because that's what we've always seen? And so I think it's really interesting to think about bringing so much of the skills that you learned from the culinary industry, but having to leave behind so much of what we hear about the way things are approached back in the kitchen, front of house, everywhere else. So that's really fascinating. How did the bar do compared to your projections and expectations in that first year being open?

Well, let's just say that before grand opening weekend, I had hired and trained up eight full time staff and two part timers, and we opened for Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and over Monday and Tuesday, the days that were closed, I had doubled staff because I had grossly underestimated the business. And so right now we have fifteen full time employees, which for a restaurant our size is a lot. Yeah, and it's because it's it can be cranking. I mean, we definitely have our seasonality, especially here in Portland. But yeah, the projections were you know, I was mentally prepared to be like any other bar and restaurant, which is like not turn a profit for like three to five years and just plan on that. And so when I like, you know, like I said, I'm pretty risk averse, so I planned for the worst. And when we did the rays to get the bar open, it was based on projections that we weren't going to make any money for the first like three months. And so what ended up happening was we did really well and and and we were able to you know, expand a little bit of our menu, do more specials, play around with things, have host events, and kind of just give back to the community a lot more than we had planned on in the beginning, because that was that was something we wanted to do, was like do fundraisers, charitable events, sponsorships, that kind of stuff, and ended up that we were able to do that right from the beginning.

Yeah, you've had some cool live events and watch parties. Tell us about your fave Oh.

My gosh, Well, we do them in house, and we also do pop ups around clearly. One of them that is pretty outstanding is our very first international pop up that we did in can for can Lions, and that was at you know, we did a full on bar pool takeover at a villa overlooking the south of France. It was.

How's my home? We thank you for coming to my home, the villa on the mountain side.

I was like, maybe I want to stay here, and then like the party got going on, Like no, I definitely did that.

You and Flage and her family were like down in another villa that was also awesome, but not the site of all of the panels and parties. Meanwhile, my room was directly next to the lawn where everyone would arrive every morning, so I'm trying to work host the panels and then meanwhile, the crew that we're with like starts going out at like eleven PM and plans on ending the night around four am.

So like it was just a blur. But the pop up that you did poolside at this villa. That was insane.

You've had some pretty famous and spectacular female athletes drop by the bar to host events. It's been really cool to see how much people have leaned in.

Yeah, it's it is unbelievable. And like when I wrote my business plan, I wrote, like in my dream scenario. They were like, what's your dream scenario? And I said, in ten years, I would have loved to, you know, done a partnership with Nike, have done something with ESPN, maybe have a couple other bars opened, like and that was like my biggest, my biggest dreams. And I feel like so much was realized in year one and clearly, you know, being risk averse, I just I didn't dream big enough. Yeah, and what's great is that, you know, I've surrounded myself with people who are so supportive, knowledgeable, and are a little more fearless, and that has helped to kind of push the envelope on what is possible.

Yeah, I think you need both.

I definitely need both. I'm very like keep it tight, and I surround myself with people who are like pushers a little bit, which is really good for me.

We're going to take a quick break when we come back fitting first gen stereotypes and franchising more with Jenny Wynn coming up next.

You're a first generation Vietnamese American.

Do you think your family fits the stereotypes of immigrant families, particularly Asian American families that we hear often and their expectations for you.

Yes, I want to say, like full like yes, full stop. They have been. We have butt heeads my entire life at every major like intersection of my identity, of my career choices, we have butt heads. And you know, I think that I you know, I have other Asian friends who their parents walked away, and my parents never did, like we butt heeads. There was a lot of disapproval, but overall the love was always there. It showed up in different ways. But I think, especially as I got older, like now, I'm starting to realize that so much of it had to do with fear for them. You know, they came to this country not speaking English. They got a lot of like discrimination against them, and so part of their survival was to fit in do not rock the boat. And as I grew up, you know, I picked up a basketball at age five. My mom was like, girls do not play sports, like this is not good. And I came out when I was seventeen. They both were just like, oh no, you know, not only are you first generation Vietnamese American girl, but now you're a lesbian, Like your life isn't going to get really hard? And then you know, I my sophomore year of college, I dropped out of the pre med program that I was into.

I was gonna say, you were definitely a doctor at some point.

I was on the track. And then I discovered cooking. And when I told my parents that I wanted to be a chef about halfway through my sophomore year, they, I mean they that was like they lost their mind. Like me coming out was a little bit easier in fact than that because they I think that they understood that that's how I was born, but choosing a career that was a choice that I was making. And then literally out of everybody that I knew talking about the sports brought, everybody was like, we love it. We think you're going to kill it. It's going to be great. And I think that, you know, friends and family will say that no matter what I was going to do. But my parents were absolutely against it, like full on, full on against it. I got the I got the keys to the to the restaurant, and I remember taking my parents in there for the first time to kind of do a walk around. And the restaurant had opened during COVID and it was a Thai restaurant and it was, you know, in really rough shape. And so my dad walked in. He almost had a panic attack, and he had to step outside and he was just like, what have you done? And he just kept saying what have you done? Like over and over, and so you know, there there has always been these these these moments, these kind of apex moments in my life where we where we were.

That's really hard.

Was it easier because you'd had those moments before with them versus let's say you're you'd always had this great supportive relationship and then they were like, oh.

No, this was a up.

Was it easier to say, listen, they haven't always seen the same thing that I'm seeing and so this is going to be okay?

Yeah, absolutely, I would say easier. But you know, it's out of everybody and I'm an only child, like I would want my parents to be backing me up.

There's so much of that rooted and literally everyone, regardless of how much they might push it away. It is deeply rooted in our bodies to need the support and approval of our parents.

So yeah, I get that. What do they think now?

Oh my god, they like feel like they laid a golden egg, like they can. It has changed everything. It has changed our dynamic. Yeah, it is to the point where I have never felt so. I mean, I guess empowered in a lot of ways, but especially in my relationship with my parents, Like I think that you're right. I've always wanted kind of that approval or for them to be proud of me, and you know, they can say certain things and I'll be like sure, But now it feels like like like they could die happy, Like they could die tomorrow and be like you know what, You're You're fine, You've done it. I remember early on I was feeling the pressure because the BRA had felt like larger than life, like pretty soon after we opened, and I started to like kind of get really felt like the burden of continuing what all these expectations of what people had for what the BRA was, And I remember being pretty like down about it. And because I'm also a people pleaser, and so I mean, I feel like you and I have had multiple conversations about being a people pleaser. But my dad was just like, you know what, you've already succeeded. He was just like, you did this. Nobody can take that away, Like the whole place could go up in flames, You can die in a fiery car accident, but nobody could ever change what you've already done and.

What you've influenced. Gosh, oh my gosh, we could talk forever. Running out of time, I want to ask you quickly. You used your life savings, you took this leap. You pushed back on your own tendencies to be risk averse. You looked at your family and your parents and you said, I know you think I'm working up, but this is going to work out, and it has. Do you have a message for people who are risk averse or stagnant, or have a dream or have something they always think about and like you said, it takes over all of their time thinking about it, but they aren't taking the leap.

Do you have a thought for them?

Yeah? I mean, first off, I didn't know it was going to work. There wasn't really any point at the beginning where I was just like, this is going to be awesome. I think that with any entrepreneurship, you kind of have to fool yourself into like that self talk and be like this could work out, this could work out, this could work out. But I remember the very first moment where I actually thought that maybe it could work out. I'd already signed a lease, I was already doing the build out. And it was the day that the kickstarter got picked up by a local newspaper and it went from like a couple thousand dollars from everybody that I knew to a straight up and down line and I looked at it and I saw where the donations were coming from, and I was just And that was the very first moment where I was like, oh my god, this might this might be this might be something. Yeah, And I'd already like signed over everything, So I don't I don't think I ever truly knew. I don't know if anyone ever truly knows. But the key for me is that if you love something and you want something bad enough, and that the keystones, you have to keep them the same, so know what your mission is, be adaptable, and because things change all the time, there's not one single perfect day, like things will happen. She hits the fan every single day. Be adaptable, keep your keystone and keep going. And if it doesn't work, it's a lesson, like that's that's what everyone always talks about. Failures are always just lessons wrapped up in a ton of negative emotions.

Right You just it's sort of like the old cliche leap and the net will appear, like you leapt before you even knew it was gonna work, or had all this money or did those things, and then in the middle of it, you're looking at this kickstarter and you're like, there's the net, there's the thing. So sometimes you do have to do I am someone who is not good with failure, is pretty risk averse with a lot of things, and I think I need to start as I get older. And I remember listening to a panel at the Billie Jean King Cup in Spain talking about Shila Johnson, who's an accidental billionaire, talking about all the times she failed and how young people are way too afraid of failure and they don't end up trying, and they don't take big risks and they don't go for it, and how necessary it is. So you are just another nudge. The universe is sending me a bunch of nudges right now, so I appreciate it. Before I let you go. We have a speed round, okay, prize possession or piece of merch that is on the walls at the bra Oh my god.

Pink crew neck. There's like this baby like miss Piggy pink crew neck that is love it.

What's what I was talking about? Like something to decorate with.

But okay, that's a good one too, So okay, the baby pink crew neck is the best merch.

What's the like memorabilia?

Oh my god, there's so many good ones. But the first one that comes to mind is a quilt that my aunt from Saint Paul, Minneapolis or Minnesota area made for me right before we opened. She is she's a classic American quilter. But I asked her if she could do a brandy chestin quilt and she's like, I've never done that before, but I can try and it is literally like perfection and it was gonna get She has been there, but I did not get I didn't see her enough long enough to get her to sign.

Okay, we gotta we gotta get her out there. That's rad Okay, dream piece of memorabilia.

That we don't have that I would love to have, Oh anything signed by Don Staley.

Okay, I'm sure we can make that happen. Let's get on the okay slices. Who knows Don Staley, Let's get her that message. Have you ever played a men's game?

Oh?

TV?

You know what we did once an exception. It was an exception.

It was tia four Francis tiafo.

Yes, when he made like the US Open, like semis or the finals, and we were just like, you know what, like this is a big deal because it's not just about women's sports, it's about underrepresented sports shown on TV and blown up.

So yeah, and I think he was rocking women's jerseys leading up to that, if I remember correctly, I think he had like a Rodman jersey and stuff. So I like that there's some crossover there in terms of like support. Okay, dream appearance by any celebri athlete or coach at the BRA Yeah, oh my god.

I always want to go back to Don Staley. However, Serena Williams has been tough with mind lately because I've okay, you know, it should be all.

Right, slices, get on that too, Serena and don we gotta get him to the bra. We got to get him to sign some stuff. And then finally, what's the new dream? You said you accomplished so many of the dreams within the first year that you had laid out for ten years.

What's the new one?

The new one is the franchise piece. I just feel like the more we can give people the experience that they've been experiencing when they walk through the doors in Portland, Oregon, the better because it really is transformative and if we can bring that to other people's communities in a super authentic way. We're creating women's sports fandom in a public sphere that has really been kept away from us for over forty years.

Amazing. We've seen a lot of bars pop up.

There's one coming to Chicago coming up called Babes Babe, But there also are sports bra franchises on the way. Can people pitch their city and themselves as franchise owners or is that all happening behind the scenes.

Already done, There is a lot happening behind the scenes. We have a franchise website that folks can start learning everything they want to start knowing about the franchising and then they can apply. Yeah, and then we go through we interview, and we're in the interview process now and we're hoping that we can franchise for years to come.

All right, we're going to put a link to that franchise page in the show notes for people who are interested. Jenny, we love you, Thanks so much for giving us this time and congratulations a hell of a year.

I can't wait to see what happens next year.

Thank you so much.

Thanks so much to Jenny for joining us.

We got to take another break stick with us except for you, Chad, you know why.

Welcome back slices.

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