With 10+ million albums sold, 5 million concert tickets, fans in 40+ countries and a nearly 30 year career, Jon has spent decades turning real life into music.

We go deep on his new album Forever Now and the shadow self behind it, identity, transformation, divorcing ourselves from who we thought we were, and becoming who we’re truly meant to be.

We talk the butterfly effect, the ripple of one decision, the energy of thousands of people singing your songs back to you, and what it all looks like beyond the stage as a husband, father and artist.