All right, here we go. Welcome to Food Court, a production of I Heart Radio. Food Court is now in session. I'm your host and judge, Richard Blaze, and this is the podcast where I tell you if you're right or wrong about your weird food opinions. And let me tell you, I'm really good at it. I could tell people they're right or wrong all day. Now listen, I've competed a lot and I've judged a lot, and I've got to say judging is clearly better. So now I'm going to judge you in my court. And I've come full circle. So joining us in court, we have two guys who have legit just had this argument and wanted me to settle it for them. I love when it's of the moment from the yo is this racist podcast? And a writer on the show Mixed Dish. It's Andrew T. We're doing Oh shoot, we're doing air horn. I do the air horn and I apologize. I love it, I love the energy. I need it. Thank you. There we go. Going up against Andrew. We have co host of the Dark Weed podcast and writer for show's Robot Chicken and she Hulk. It's Cody Ziggler. Oh, thank you good. I was hoping you would give me some meals to that. Really, it really sets me in the mind space to podcast. Yeah, I hope the hip hop air horn is not going to be your buzzer sound, but we'll find those out as we get into this. Now. Listen, guys, we're just meeting. But I have heard through the grape vine, if you will, I'm trying to keep the food punds rolling that you too have a very serious beef about chicken wings. See how I've done that, the classic food judge distraction right there. But before we get in all that, let's get to know each other a little bit better. Andrew. So, obviously your fans know a lot about your strong opinions in general, But what are some of your Oh but what are some of your strong food opinions? And before you let me know your strong food opinions, I would like to know. Did you blend the strawberries and white wine? Was that something that happened? Oh my god, yes, I absolutely did. My friend sent me a ship neutri bullet. I think it's called the Little Like one cup blender. I've been subscribing to this farm box and it's always a quantity of fruit and vegetable that is way too much for me. And there were like way too many strawberries at my house, and I was just like drinking wine and I just kind of looked at the wine and looked at the neutri bulet, and I was like, yeah, these are all going together in one thing. You're an actual cook, so you probably could have guessed it didn't work great, But really it was just purade strawberry floating on top of wine. There we go. It was not aesthetically maybe Michelin Star dish if you will, but tasting nonetheless and quick important. And I always find as a chef that if alcohol is involved, people are very forgiving. Absolutely Ultimately, it was fine and I would absolutely do it again. Awesome. Now, what are some of your strong food opinions? I am like I I think my strongest food opinion is that no meal in Los Angeles is worth The only meal in Los Angeles that's worth more than forty per person is sushi. Okay, everything else, I would rather have the cheap in Los Angeles. I think if you want like a fine dining, it's like New York or San Francisco or you know, Shanghai or Paris kind of situation, and oh, okay, here's here's the way I'll put it. Actually, including sushi, I would rather go to my favorite sushi place four times to go to Providence once. Okay, I like it. Providence is a very very expensive Los Angeles restaurant known for specifically there seafood. So there's the connection between the sushi and fine dining seafood. I like it. I like it. Cody, what about you? What are some of your strong opinions? And even very specifically, what have you been eating during quarantine? Oh boy? I have also been on that fruit box game. I specifically only get fruits and that's like my snack. Like I don't really do much snacking, but like I have been tearing through some strawberries and mangoes and pineapples lately, so that's been like sort of like my my snack jam. And as far as cooking, like I've been getting back into like red meat, Like I don't really eat that much red meat, but I downloaded the Bill Campo. At Bill Campo for those who will know, it was like a butcher shop out here. They do deliveries and soon as like quarantine hit and I wasn't going anywhere. I was like, you know what I should get back into, like cooking steaks. So like there's been a lot of like New York Strips, had my first Wigo for the first time. Don't know if I would ever pay forty five dollars for five ounces of steak ever again, but like it did slap like It's probably the best tasting piece of meat I've ever had in my life. Sort of like Andrew. I've also I have been making wine Hawaiian and straight white wine and strawberry sprint throughs. But I've just been making traditional smoothies. That's been like my game. So like a lot of a lot of like the past three months has been me on like my balcony, drinking various smoothies and like eating fruits like a like a like a like a Caesar from the old world. I love this, and I think, listen, we're getting to know each other. But I feel like in our future is some sort of sangria straw alcoholic liquid nitrogen cocktail party exactly. Let's go. Yeah, I'll do the I'll do the mixology. We gotta figure out how we can't afford some of the wago on the podcast budget, but we can make it happen out now. Listen, you guys have known each other for a long time, and I'm very jealous. You're both amazing writers and you find yourselves in these writing rooms, which now are zoom rooms. What I'm hearing, and I'll keep the food punds going. I understand that writing rooms are known for the roasting that happens amongst the writers. Is this a true? Is this true? Zig you? Yeah? I think you've you've been in more contentious rooms. Yeah, you know, our room was very egalitarian. We were sort of sweeties, but there was there was one shout out to my boy zeb Wells. The room there dominantly people of colored women, and he was the only straight white guy in the room. We all often roasted him just because he was like an easy target. He shout out to a king. We did roast him. We also, you know, I would catch some flak every now and then, but I was smart enough just to not speak when I didn't have a take on a subject. And I'm a very good, very good about like not saying anything because I don't want to appear dumb, because I actually am very dumb. So I didn't get roasted that much, but my boy, my boy, Zip did have to put some ice packs on every now and then andrew any classic roasting stories. You guys didn't have to do a Zoom Room zig. But so currently I'm on mixed Dish and we are writing remotely and a significant number of people are new for season two, so no one really knows each other very well. So I went out on a limb and just kind of like poked fun at one of the new writers who's like way above me, but I just like said something and like I think my mic cut out or something, and so no one heard it, or no one heard the whole thing, but people are just staring at you, and like the flop sweat on Zoom when something doesn't go well is like unbelievable. It was just like I I mean, it was truly the worst feeling I've ever had in my life. And it was like four days ago. So so that part is great. It's almost like there's not enough time to roast people because it's just like we need to churn the scripts out so quickly, so like let's just go. If we're roasting, it's relevant roasting. And then it's okay. So listen, Andrew, out is time to lay out the case that you have brought to the food court in a sentence or two. Oh my gosh, Zig thinks boneless wings are superior, and he is out. So you just just jumped in with the negative take already, you just went right to You just went right to the rebutt. So to Andrew, I have I have a little portion on that. Actually, far as formattic, this was not negative. So Andrew, you're presenting the case that classic chicken wings, bone and chicken wings are the best, correct Cody your response to this claim. You know, my response is that you know I was I was of that same thought when I was a younger man, when I was, you know, a college student. But as I've gotten older, I've realized that, you know, I'm not trying to prove any points by eating bones, Like, I don't need bones in my life. I got enough bones in me every day I wake up, I got pon I need bones in my meat. I've I've evolved passed the need for bones. And that's why I'm thinking boneless wings are like the next step in the evolution of like the the chicken wing game. Listen, we're gonna get into clearly Andrew has a bone to pick. Yeah, there, there it is. I'm always nervous when I'm around writers. I get nervous when I'm gonna drop a bad pun. Space Man. That was the only pre written joke I had. Oh my god, thanks for taking the time to like. Okay, so listen, here we go, guys, before I hear your arguments, and this one is obviously serious. Here in my food court, and this maybe should be a part of courts all around the world. Huh. I love to have a quick trivia around before the oral arguments. Okay, the winner of the trivia around gets to decide the order that you present. So let's see which one of you knows the most. Our audience needs to know since they can't see you, who's answering first. So we're going to reveal what buzzers you have selected and in the virtual space. This is one of my favorite parts of the show. We get to really know about your personality. Andrew test your buzzer for us. All right, here we go the classic end of the hockey game buzzer. Wait, are you Canadian? Is that a thing? Is that why hockey comes? Up so often on your show. This is something I should know. Being the research. I was gonna say because the last name is Canadian, but I was adopted, so I'm not Canadian. And I just think the buzzer that you just played to me sounds specifically like a hockey buzzer. But that's just some sort of weird nostalgia. And now I have to ask my producer, just hockey come up a lot on our podcast. Okay, I listened. I listened to the Bagel episode and for some reason, you jumped in with hockey in the middle of something, and I was like, Canadian. I got it from Michigan also, so I'm very I'm very sensitive. I feel like when people are too into hockey because they're Canadian. Oh here's well, here's a little sports trivia question. You didn't know this was coming. What is the national sport of Canada. I mean, I've gotta say, I guess if it's not hockey, I'm gonna say curling. Wo I was gonna say cling to it is look cross oh wow, yes, most people say would say hockey. Curling, by the way, is a great second. Cody, what about your buzzer? What do you got for us today. This is my buzzer, A little little little bell sound, little ringing, ringing, diegi because the fight is on. Okay, that's what I was gonna say. It's fighting time. You know we're in the court, but also I think we're in the ring as well. I like it. You're in the It's like a hockey fight, right, classic curling cross fight. Yeah. First of all, yeah, Andrew, first of all, you're stepping on my bid. I was supposed to reference hockey. We love hockey. But again, a total little side thing on sports. I don't know why, but like we're gonna have an incredible end of August with every major sport being played in August. Oh boy, yeah, we'll see. It's gonna get weird. If if it's going to should they should just play all the like two people playing all of the should be a marathon. Yeah. Listen, this is why you know we have TV people on the show, because that's a show you just launched in your show. Okay, here we go. Listen. Time to get into the trivial question one, it's multiple choice. In two thousand three, What pop Star revealed that she always thought buffalo wings were made out of actual Buffalo a Britney Spears b justin timber Lake. Even though it said she and the question and see Jessica Simpson, that was close. I think Andrew got there first. Yeah, Andrew got there first. The answer is I will go with a because I feel like Jessica Simpson after doing the Chicken of the Sea thing, couldn't go to for two on the Insane Animal takes. But maybe that's the opposite. We'll listen. No one ever said that you were all knowledgeable when it comes to pop culture. The answer is Jessica Simpson, Andrew see back to back hits. Baby, you think you're just doing with the tune of the seat in coming back from that buffalo? That's right, it was. It was on her show Newly Weds. We all remember that with Nicholas then husband. That just feels like lazy writing. Though. That feels like someone was like, oh, everyone loved the Chicken of the Seas so much man for you. Yeah, so you didn't have faith. So that means Cody, you're going to get the point for that's my court and just determined that you get a point for that. Thank you question too. With Cody in the lead, don't worry, Andrew, you can still catch up. According to Google metrics, what was the most googled Super Bowl Sunday food in California? The hind Okay, that's to be Andrew. I was like, guacamole. Okay, it is a dip. The answer is not guacamole, though you can still answer Cody if you'd like, I'm gonna say Nacho's nachos is close by answer. The correct answer was buffalo chicken dip. Of course I shouldn't wait. I shouldn't wait to see this is gonna be multiple joys. That would have late think the easier for me. Also, there was no way that two guys with an abundance of strawberries was going to get that one. We had all the strawberries exactly like, this is absolutely not Okay, here we go. So now you know what. I've determined that this next question is going to be worth two points, so it is a court of sorts. Just to be clear, Actually this is gonna be a bonus. Okay, Letten, so this one might count. Who knows what I determined through the magic of googling. Andrew. Though I believe that you went, you went. You went to college in New York correct, yes, all right, And Cody, you went to school in Georgia. Yes, correct. Oddly enough, I'm a native New Yorker who lived in Georgia for nine years. Just to bring it all together, perfect, perfect, But what do you think the most googled Super Bowl food was in New York and Georgia. They shared the same It's not it is not related to today's topic. And it is all so an appetizer at t j I Fridays, which I don't know if you've ever been. Okay, this is gonna be Cody for the bonus. Is it gonna be blooming onions? Oh, blooming onions? It is not. It is. I'll just take a stab and say, uh, potato skins. It is loaded potatoes skin. And what honestly, Andrew, like out of nowhere, who even remembers loaded potato skins? You guys can't see, but his eyes rolled back into his head and like he got one. I finally got one, the often forgotten app on like the shared app sampler, loaded potatoes potatoes go hard. They do it so much for the culture and who knew Georgia and New York had so much and they both love potato skins. Now listen, Andrew. Unfortunately that was a bonus question. It was worth zero into question three. This is gonna be to determine who gets to present their case first. This is going to be prices, right rules, So closest without going over how many chicken wings will an average American eat in their lifetime? According to the New York Post, which is also, I guess, an important part of this question. But according to the New York Post, how many chicken wings will the average American eat in their lifetime? Anyone want to take a shot closest without going over? So two answers we need here. I'm gonna go if New York Post we'll call them a slightly more blue collar rag, and thus I would say they may. They may. They would over index on their sampling for chicken wings, and thus I would give I would say, twenty wings per week for life, average age about seven years old, so whatever, seventy times fifty two time? Oh my god. Yeah, As this is food court, there's great too much math involved. I got a wait for Andrew to give his number before I am going to say this. Even while Andrew does the math, you get a half a point for just saying over index on the so it's all tied. I'm just gonna I'm gonna round up to uh, all right, Andrews. Sorry, sorry. A hundred thousand is what Andrew's gonna say. That's your final answer, Cody, what's your responsive number? I want to say, you know what I'll say. I'll say seventy. I wanna say, Okay, Well, listen, this is tough because the rules were without going over you both got it wrong. But it is my court. The correct answer is eighteen thousand, which was much closer to Andrew's first first take. This breaks down to chicken wings a month or two d and ninety chicken wings a year or something like that. I believe Andrew, you're getting the point, which means that you've won the trivia around. Congrats King. It means that you get to determine the big decision here in this episode, whether you want to present first or second in the argument of bone in chicken wings or boneless chicken wings. All right, I think I have to go first because I have too much material that doesn't make sense if I go no, I talk too much material. I just have one one thing at the time. I love that no one chooses to go first, the outlier that you are, Andrew making the decision right there, and before we get into our arguments, it's time for a quick break and we are back in my court. We are doing this in a virtual world to recap today in the food court. We have two television writers and podcasters with a bone to pick about chicken wings. Andrew things classic chicken wings are the clear superior choice. Why Cody thinks boneless wings just make something great and they take them to the next level, they make them even better. So we are getting ready to get into it. The way this works is that each of you will have three minutes to state your case. During this three minutes, lay it all out for me, because well, my judgment today is based only on the arguments made. This is not about my own personal opinions. This is just about what you're going to argue here this three minutes. By the way, the first three minutes is not the time to go negative or low and talk about your opponent's argument. Keep it clean, d gentlemen. This this is the one that we usually get off the rails with. Here do we we understand the understand After the first round you'll have to a two minute rebuttal opportunity, and you'll have the time to state while your opponent is totally wrong and just trash everything that they've said that will come after this first argument. Andrew decided, in a rare food court choice, to go first. Actually, do not make the baseball decision. I'm referencing another sport. Andrew t you're a first, ready to go? Yeah, okay, your time starts now. Okay. So I mostly wanted to open up the o commit by saying I feel like the inability to go negative puts me at a disadvantage. Should have been a sweet boy because oh not just through personality, although there is that, but because the reality is both boneless and bone ned buffalo chicken wings really shine because of the combination of sauce and butter, and even the absolute worst of the boneless chicken wings is fine. So really, the only differences are negative ones. I just think one is clearly better. However, I did make a list of the things that are better about boneless boned chicken wings. Okay, Number one the bones. I love the bones like they're like a little anatomy lesson. They're fun to eat and actually joking aside. What bones bring is a thing that I imagine I will lose part of the audience on this, but I truly believe is they do bring cartilage, which I actually do think is a superior part of the wing. I love crunching on some cartilage. I love crunching on the connective tissue. I think if you get the wing fried right, that little cartilage cap the end of the flat is one of the best parts and the reason to do it. Also, on a flat you get to have not I guess technically, you know what. I'll probably have to just be wrong on this, but I was gonna say, you got to have white meat. That's kind of dark meat. But I think it might just be dark meat. You know, a lot of blood ran through when it was alive. It's more tasty, it's more tender. It's just better. Um did I say it's more fun? I did say, it's that's my waist And there we go. Hold on, he's resting a scott nothing, Yeah, he's resting. This is a wine glass. Oh my god, I love that so much. A weird world. And when we got these as a wedding gift, who knew that this is how they would be Andrew t unbelievable. I think I will say this, and I hate to critique in the middle of the sort of discussion, but it took you. It took you sixty seconds to get into It took you a long time. We were I mean, for for as smart of a guy as you are, I was concerned a second. It was just like they're better like writers. Right that being said, the back I just had a filibuster already because I wasn't sure the back nine of your argument. Just throwing another sports reference just was very, very strong, and I think you got it. You got it at the end. There is it. It's a tasty, more tender and fun. I mean tasty, more tender and fun. It's gonna be hard to argue against fun. What a bio? What a bio for bone and chicken wings. Whether or not you get docked for saying cartilage three times in connective tissue, I'm not sure. As they're chef, I don't mind. And I appreciated the angle of the anatomy lesson. So a good first round, Cody Europe. Now you've got three minutes to talk about why boneless wings are the best? You ready to go. I am ready, all right, your time starts now, great, you know what I want to first off, I want to say that my main basis for my inclination to liking boneless is one I think you get more bang for your book when it comes to meet because you're using traditionally you use like the breast and thighs. And one of the things that I dislike most about eating boned wings now is that I'm very cognizantive that like if I eat four wings, that's only one chicken. And so if I'm eating twelve, that's three chickens. And like I'm thinking, like just conservation wise, like do I need toake kill three chickens for my twelve buffalo wings? From buffalo wild wings? I would say for me, like two flats and two drums. They were fun back when I was a young man. I think they were a young man's game. But now, like just the idea of like taking a chicken breast and dicing it up until like you know, six seven, eight pieces of of of meat, I think that that to me sat satiates me. Also, like there's some talk, a lot of negative talk about as far as like well boneless wings or or chicken nuggets and tender. Some will say, well, my retort to that is that both of those things absolutely slap. So like I'll take a chicken nugget if you want to call it a boneless wing. Now, do you want to go to Andrew's point about liking the cartilage cap, I will say, I'm a Southern man, North can kinda born and raised. We do eat the bones. We do, we need hit the bones, and I think now at thirty three, my digestive system could simply not handle it, nor could my mouth in teeth. It's like I will concede that particular point that the bones did slap when I had a young man's mouth, but I do not have that anymore. And I also will concede that the sauce is the sauce, like I don't care like a good sauced up boneless wing I think is comparable to a good sauce wing any day. But for my money, I'm coming up from a woke standpoint. I'm trying to save more of the earth and not call on the chickens. I yield my time. I yield my time has not been said before on this podcast. Now listen this is where I will just again, I am judging the argument and the first round I have to say, as a chef, we are taught things like there's flavor in the bones, Like that's where you get flavor from. When you make chicken stock, you use bones, you use that cartilage, you get all that flavor out of it. And I was concerned to hear that someone was going to argue on behalf of boneless chicken wings. I am not concerned anymore after that argument. Cody, who has taught me a number of things already today, I've had to look up what we've means before we got going. And also I just learned what what that slaps? I just learned that phrase a couple So I'm feeling I'm feeling really good about myself that I like, I knew that one. I'm here and a lot of great takes on this one. It's more bang for you buck. Do you get more chicken? Do you get potentially in a boneless wing, do you get leaner meat? Because there might be some breast meat in there. He tackled one of the obvious rebuttals, which would be, well, is it just a nugget or a tender? No? It is not. He threw a little shade saying bone and wings are a young man's game. Yeah, maturity to it. I just occurred to me that Cody and I haven't actually had this discussion yet, but I'm wondering if we're going to fight. Also about blue Cheese versus Ranch one of the blue Cheese I'm blue cheese all the way. I'm a I'm a blue cheese stand too, So we got we got a middle ground in Yeah, we have a little solidarity. Yeah, and now that is an episode we have done very controversial, I think Ranch one, but again based off not my own personal opinions, just on the arguments that were made that day. All right, here we go, We're ready for round two. It is heated. I usually wait producer Crystal for the end of the podcast to ask the guests if they want to come back, but I think you both should come back and argue as a team for something. Oh yeah, yeah, that would be lovely. Actually, if a former I heart post, I don't know if he cares, and we might have to cut this. But Edgar mom Plasier has the worst take about l a Chinese food, just just pitching that now might not be good for the episode. I like it. See look I'm doing casting, your pitching. We're all on the al right, here we go off. This is the rebuttals. Andrew, you're ready to let Cody have it? Yeah, okay, this is a two minute round. Your time starts now. Okay. So, as far as the arguments for bone less wings go, I think the easy one is you just gotta chew man, you gotta make it through that cartilage. There's no there's no amount of softness that a bone boneless wing provides that is going to actually help you. And if it's purely like a throughput thing, then you just want like a chicken puree or a baby food perhaps, like I don't think I don't think you're looking for strictly speaking food, but that's okay. And then as far as the conservation argument goes, I would sort of argue, if you're going to eat meat, having it be the visceral thing where you're dissecting a organism will be better than simply chopping up a chicken breast. And also chicken breast is I would say the world's worst food. In my I just I just hated it's the completely you know, or in America. I think it's like America's favorite food for a reason, and that's because we'll say white people have the worst taste. Which gets me to the final argument which I waited too long to make, which is the whole origin of the story is Zike tweeted that he prefers boneless wings and we have a text thread with all people of color on it, and someone posted that tweet to the thread and said, zigs X communicated as a person of color because liking boneless wings is in my in my opinion, a very white person make. And I think that is where you're going to die forever, because I have to rest my case there. Andrew t getting getting out inappropriate you think you know personal, getting personal, and also just taking a shot at chicken breast, like yeah, at the same time I wrote down as you were talking, I wrote down chicken breast equals basic a F and now I'm writing white people down next to it as well. Another a strong take. I will say this my only, my only question to your response there. Listen, as someone who has had to deep fry baby food chicken puree on a game show, don't knock it, Don't that actually sounds pretty good once you get the bread combs on there. Yeah, with the texture, with texture, that sounds okay. I'm doubt Okay, So here we go, Cody, you have two minutes out for your rebuttal. It's getting a little bit personal. You ready to go? I am ready alright. Your two minutes start now. First of all, let me go ahead and say that the fried chicken breasts has done so much for the culture. And I defy Andrew to come to my mom's house Viva Zigglers and have her cook you some chicken breast and have him tell her that's the worst fool on the planet that frankly Andrew. It's anti black, it's anti Cody Ziggler, and I will not rest and have you disparaged the chicken breast on this game show. I will not abide such such treason. Second of all, the pure chicken baby food, I would try it for me. I think it's probably adjacent to maybe a ground chicken chicken, maybe like a ground chicken burger. I don't know, Like that's me trying to to to make his negative span positive. I would try I try a chicken pure It might go hard to tell, who knows, Andrew you don't know. And third of all, perfoning boneless wings being disparaged by my black and brown and yellow brothers and sisters. First of all, I have to reiterate people are not a monol lift. All right, we can we can expand ourselves, is Andrew. If I want to go to Buffalo Wild Wings and get some buffalo wings, let me shine King. I yield my time, and there we have it. By the way, Cody, I will say the big take I had from your rebuttal there was you were like, hey, you know, baby chicken pure. You know it sounds good to you. I would eat it if you're eating bullles chicken wings. You already have, Cody. That's all I have. And this is going to be an incredibly tough close call a matter of facts. I'm going to head to my chambers, which is just off screen here, to my kitchen, and I will be back in a second for my verdict. Yeah I want you guys really drugged me and star for score Chick the Earth so hard. Yeah, well, you know what you have, charitably speaking, an outlier take, but realistically speaking, a sellout take. And because I was rat it out by my so called friends, you rat Fink. You put it on Twitter. You put it on Twitter. Look, I'm telling you in the court, I have returned from my chambers. I've spent a lot of time thinking long and hard over this, and I have well, I think I have a verdict. But before I deliver my verdict, this is a part of the show where you can leave me with one or two more sentences to plead your case for one last time. Cody, anything you'd like to say here, I want to really hammer home the point of if you're someone who loves the earth like I do and Andrew does not, conservation could be a thing that you can be into. As I said, you get four wings per chicken, whereas you get more as I said, bang for your cluck when you go for chicken breast and the thigh combo. That is my main take. Thank you, all right, Andrew? Any final words, I guess I will just say I'm not the one who has to look other chefs in the face if you theoretically rule for bubbles chicken wings, which I think is a shot at me. Yeah, exactly. I've tried to tilt the judge a little bit. I'm just saying that's not my peer group. You have to do it well. I know after thinking about this for a long time, both of you again presented great cases. I was not expecting such strong opinions when it comes to boneless wings, Andrew letting us know off the top that like any chicken wings are good, like it's the sauce and stuff that goes into it, which was an interesting take kind of revealing that chicken wings of all sorts are great. Do you want that visceral carnal moment of like thinking and dealing with the anatomy of a wing. There's flats, there's drums. Is there more flavor? Is it more tender and tasty? When it comes to bone and chicken wings? And then really just throwing shade against chicken breast as an ingredients. Moms and dads are Awesomerica right now are going to be second guessing their dinner options. And Cody delivering an incredible economic case, more bang for the book, an environmental case that potentially are saving chickens lives. Yeah, exactly. And I have made my decision, and it was not an easy one. But at the end of the day, the winner of bone in versus boneless chicken wings is Cody Zigler. You'd love to see it. Thank you. I have to also come clean right now. There's no way as a chef going into this. I'm getting goose bumps. You can't see it, but we're on video. There's no way. I thought that they were boneless chicken wings were gonna win. But when you break down the economic side of it, the environmental side of it was just too much. Gentlemen, thank you so much for coming into the food courts. Thank you for having what an epic debate. For more and Drew check out his podcast Joe Is This Racist and the show Mixed Dish on ABC. He can be found on social media at Andrew t. You can find Cody on the Dark Weed podcast and as a writer on Disney Plus as she Hulk, an adult Swim's robot Chicken. He's online at ya for zig food Court is a production of I Heart Radio. I'm Richard Blaze. My producer is Chrystal Bamahi food Court was created by our executive producer, Christopher hassiotis the rest of My food Court clerks are Gabrielle Collins, David Wasserman, and Jasmine Blaize. The theme song is by Jason ni Smith The More podcast from I Heart Radio, Visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

All right, here we go. Welcome to Food Court, a production of I Heart Radio. Food Court is now in session. I'm your host and judge, Richard Blaze, and this is the podcast where I tell you if you're right or wrong about your weird food opinions. And let me tell you, I'm really good at it. I could tell people they're right or wrong all day. Now listen, I've competed a lot and I've judged a lot, and I've got to say judging is clearly better. So now I'm going to judge you in my court. And I've come full circle. So joining us in court, we have two guys who have legit just had this argument and wanted me to settle it for them. I love when it's of the moment from the yo is this racist podcast? And a writer on the show Mixed Dish. It's Andrew T. We're doing Oh shoot, we're doing air horn. I do the air horn and I apologize. I love it, I love the energy. I need it. Thank you. There we go. Going up against Andrew. We have co host of the Dark Weed podcast and writer for show's Robot Chicken and she Hulk. It's Cody Ziggler. Oh, thank you good. I was hoping you would give me some meals to that. Really, it really sets me in the mind space to podcast. Yeah, I hope the hip hop air horn is not going to be your buzzer sound, but we'll find those out as we get into this. Now. Listen, guys, we're just meeting. But I have heard through the grape vine, if you will, I'm trying to keep the food punds rolling that you too have a very serious beef about chicken wings. See how I've done that, the classic food judge distraction right there. But before we get in all that, let's get to know each other a little bit better. Andrew. So, obviously your fans know a lot about your strong opinions in general, But what are some of your Oh but what are some of your strong food opinions? And before you let me know your strong food opinions, I would like to know. Did you blend the strawberries and white wine? Was that something that happened? Oh my god, yes, I absolutely did. My friend sent me a ship neutri bullet. I think it's called the Little Like one cup blender. I've been subscribing to this farm box and it's always a quantity of fruit and vegetable that is way too much for me. And there were like way too many strawberries at my house, and I was just like drinking wine and I just kind of looked at the wine and looked at the neutri bulet, and I was like, yeah, these are all going together in one thing. You're an actual cook, so you probably could have guessed it didn't work great, But really it was just purade strawberry floating on top of wine. There we go. It was not aesthetically maybe Michelin Star dish if you will, but tasting nonetheless and quick important. And I always find as a chef that if alcohol is involved, people are very forgiving. Absolutely Ultimately, it was fine and I would absolutely do it again. Awesome. Now, what are some of your strong food opinions? I am like I I think my strongest food opinion is that no meal in Los Angeles is worth The only meal in Los Angeles that's worth more than forty per person is sushi. Okay, everything else, I would rather have the cheap in Los Angeles. I think if you want like a fine dining, it's like New York or San Francisco or you know, Shanghai or Paris kind of situation, and oh, okay, here's here's the way I'll put it. Actually, including sushi, I would rather go to my favorite sushi place four times to go to Providence once. Okay, I like it. Providence is a very very expensive Los Angeles restaurant known for specifically there seafood. So there's the connection between the sushi and fine dining seafood. I like it. I like it. Cody, what about you? What are some of your strong opinions? And even very specifically, what have you been eating during quarantine? Oh boy? I have also been on that fruit box game. I specifically only get fruits and that's like my snack. Like I don't really do much snacking, but like I have been tearing through some strawberries and mangoes and pineapples lately, so that's been like sort of like my my snack jam. And as far as cooking, like I've been getting back into like red meat, Like I don't really eat that much red meat, but I downloaded the Bill Campo. At Bill Campo for those who will know, it was like a butcher shop out here. They do deliveries and soon as like quarantine hit and I wasn't going anywhere. I was like, you know what I should get back into, like cooking steaks. So like there's been a lot of like New York Strips, had my first Wigo for the first time. Don't know if I would ever pay forty five dollars for five ounces of steak ever again, but like it did slap like It's probably the best tasting piece of meat I've ever had in my life. Sort of like Andrew. I've also I have been making wine Hawaiian and straight white wine and strawberry sprint throughs. But I've just been making traditional smoothies. That's been like my game. So like a lot of a lot of like the past three months has been me on like my balcony, drinking various smoothies and like eating fruits like a like a like a like a Caesar from the old world. I love this, and I think, listen, we're getting to know each other. But I feel like in our future is some sort of sangria straw alcoholic liquid nitrogen cocktail party exactly. Let's go. Yeah, I'll do the I'll do the mixology. We gotta figure out how we can't afford some of the wago on the podcast budget, but we can make it happen out now. Listen, you guys have known each other for a long time, and I'm very jealous. You're both amazing writers and you find yourselves in these writing rooms, which now are zoom rooms. What I'm hearing, and I'll keep the food punds going. I understand that writing rooms are known for the roasting that happens amongst the writers. Is this a true? Is this true? Zig you? Yeah? I think you've you've been in more contentious rooms. Yeah, you know, our room was very egalitarian. We were sort of sweeties, but there was there was one shout out to my boy zeb Wells. The room there dominantly people of colored women, and he was the only straight white guy in the room. We all often roasted him just because he was like an easy target. He shout out to a king. We did roast him. We also, you know, I would catch some flak every now and then, but I was smart enough just to not speak when I didn't have a take on a subject. And I'm a very good, very good about like not saying anything because I don't want to appear dumb, because I actually am very dumb. So I didn't get roasted that much, but my boy, my boy, Zip did have to put some ice packs on every now and then andrew any classic roasting stories. You guys didn't have to do a Zoom Room zig. But so currently I'm on mixed Dish and we are writing remotely and a significant number of people are new for season two, so no one really knows each other very well. So I went out on a limb and just kind of like poked fun at one of the new writers who's like way above me, but I just like said something and like I think my mic cut out or something, and so no one heard it, or no one heard the whole thing, but people are just staring at you, and like the flop sweat on Zoom when something doesn't go well is like unbelievable. It was just like I I mean, it was truly the worst feeling I've ever had in my life. And it was like four days ago. So so that part is great. It's almost like there's not enough time to roast people because it's just like we need to churn the scripts out so quickly, so like let's just go. If we're roasting, it's relevant roasting. And then it's okay. So listen, Andrew, out is time to lay out the case that you have brought to the food court in a sentence or two. Oh my gosh, Zig thinks boneless wings are superior, and he is out. So you just just jumped in with the negative take already, you just went right to You just went right to the rebutt. So to Andrew, I have I have a little portion on that. Actually, far as formattic, this was not negative. So Andrew, you're presenting the case that classic chicken wings, bone and chicken wings are the best, correct Cody your response to this claim. You know, my response is that you know I was I was of that same thought when I was a younger man, when I was, you know, a college student. But as I've gotten older, I've realized that, you know, I'm not trying to prove any points by eating bones, Like, I don't need bones in my life. I got enough bones in me every day I wake up, I got pon I need bones in my meat. I've I've evolved passed the need for bones. And that's why I'm thinking boneless wings are like the next step in the evolution of like the the chicken wing game. Listen, we're gonna get into clearly Andrew has a bone to pick. Yeah, there, there it is. I'm always nervous when I'm around writers. I get nervous when I'm gonna drop a bad pun. Space Man. That was the only pre written joke I had. Oh my god, thanks for taking the time to like. Okay, so listen, here we go, guys, before I hear your arguments, and this one is obviously serious. Here in my food court, and this maybe should be a part of courts all around the world. Huh. I love to have a quick trivia around before the oral arguments. Okay, the winner of the trivia around gets to decide the order that you present. So let's see which one of you knows the most. Our audience needs to know since they can't see you, who's answering first. So we're going to reveal what buzzers you have selected and in the virtual space. This is one of my favorite parts of the show. We get to really know about your personality. Andrew test your buzzer for us. All right, here we go the classic end of the hockey game buzzer. Wait, are you Canadian? Is that a thing? Is that why hockey comes? Up so often on your show. This is something I should know. Being the research. I was gonna say because the last name is Canadian, but I was adopted, so I'm not Canadian. And I just think the buzzer that you just played to me sounds specifically like a hockey buzzer. But that's just some sort of weird nostalgia. And now I have to ask my producer, just hockey come up a lot on our podcast. Okay, I listened. I listened to the Bagel episode and for some reason, you jumped in with hockey in the middle of something, and I was like, Canadian. I got it from Michigan also, so I'm very I'm very sensitive. I feel like when people are too into hockey because they're Canadian. Oh here's well, here's a little sports trivia question. You didn't know this was coming. What is the national sport of Canada. I mean, I've gotta say, I guess if it's not hockey, I'm gonna say curling. Wo I was gonna say cling to it is look cross oh wow, yes, most people say would say hockey. Curling, by the way, is a great second. Cody, what about your buzzer? What do you got for us today. This is my buzzer, A little little little bell sound, little ringing, ringing, diegi because the fight is on. Okay, that's what I was gonna say. It's fighting time. You know we're in the court, but also I think we're in the ring as well. I like it. You're in the It's like a hockey fight, right, classic curling cross fight. Yeah. First of all, yeah, Andrew, first of all, you're stepping on my bid. I was supposed to reference hockey. We love hockey. But again, a total little side thing on sports. I don't know why, but like we're gonna have an incredible end of August with every major sport being played in August. Oh boy, yeah, we'll see. It's gonna get weird. If if it's going to should they should just play all the like two people playing all of the should be a marathon. Yeah. Listen, this is why you know we have TV people on the show, because that's a show you just launched in your show. Okay, here we go. Listen. Time to get into the trivial question one, it's multiple choice. In two thousand three, What pop Star revealed that she always thought buffalo wings were made out of actual Buffalo a Britney Spears b justin timber Lake. Even though it said she and the question and see Jessica Simpson, that was close. I think Andrew got there first. Yeah, Andrew got there first. The answer is I will go with a because I feel like Jessica Simpson after doing the Chicken of the Sea thing, couldn't go to for two on the Insane Animal takes. But maybe that's the opposite. We'll listen. No one ever said that you were all knowledgeable when it comes to pop culture. The answer is Jessica Simpson, Andrew see back to back hits. Baby, you think you're just doing with the tune of the seat in coming back from that buffalo? That's right, it was. It was on her show Newly Weds. We all remember that with Nicholas then husband. That just feels like lazy writing. Though. That feels like someone was like, oh, everyone loved the Chicken of the Seas so much man for you. Yeah, so you didn't have faith. So that means Cody, you're going to get the point for that's my court and just determined that you get a point for that. Thank you question too. With Cody in the lead, don't worry, Andrew, you can still catch up. According to Google metrics, what was the most googled Super Bowl Sunday food in California? The hind Okay, that's to be Andrew. I was like, guacamole. Okay, it is a dip. The answer is not guacamole, though you can still answer Cody if you'd like, I'm gonna say Nacho's nachos is close by answer. The correct answer was buffalo chicken dip. Of course I shouldn't wait. I shouldn't wait to see this is gonna be multiple joys. That would have late think the easier for me. Also, there was no way that two guys with an abundance of strawberries was going to get that one. We had all the strawberries exactly like, this is absolutely not Okay, here we go. So now you know what. I've determined that this next question is going to be worth two points, so it is a court of sorts. Just to be clear, Actually this is gonna be a bonus. Okay, Letten, so this one might count. Who knows what I determined through the magic of googling. Andrew. Though I believe that you went, you went. You went to college in New York correct, yes, all right, And Cody, you went to school in Georgia. Yes, correct. Oddly enough, I'm a native New Yorker who lived in Georgia for nine years. Just to bring it all together, perfect, perfect, But what do you think the most googled Super Bowl food was in New York and Georgia. They shared the same It's not it is not related to today's topic. And it is all so an appetizer at t j I Fridays, which I don't know if you've ever been. Okay, this is gonna be Cody for the bonus. Is it gonna be blooming onions? Oh, blooming onions? It is not. It is. I'll just take a stab and say, uh, potato skins. It is loaded potatoes skin. And what honestly, Andrew, like out of nowhere, who even remembers loaded potato skins? You guys can't see, but his eyes rolled back into his head and like he got one. I finally got one, the often forgotten app on like the shared app sampler, loaded potatoes potatoes go hard. They do it so much for the culture and who knew Georgia and New York had so much and they both love potato skins. Now listen, Andrew. Unfortunately that was a bonus question. It was worth zero into question three. This is gonna be to determine who gets to present their case first. This is going to be prices, right rules, So closest without going over how many chicken wings will an average American eat in their lifetime? According to the New York Post, which is also, I guess, an important part of this question. But according to the New York Post, how many chicken wings will the average American eat in their lifetime? Anyone want to take a shot closest without going over? So two answers we need here. I'm gonna go if New York Post we'll call them a slightly more blue collar rag, and thus I would say they may. They may. They would over index on their sampling for chicken wings, and thus I would give I would say, twenty wings per week for life, average age about seven years old, so whatever, seventy times fifty two time? Oh my god. Yeah, As this is food court, there's great too much math involved. I got a wait for Andrew to give his number before I am going to say this. Even while Andrew does the math, you get a half a point for just saying over index on the so it's all tied. I'm just gonna I'm gonna round up to uh, all right, Andrews. Sorry, sorry. A hundred thousand is what Andrew's gonna say. That's your final answer, Cody, what's your responsive number? I want to say, you know what I'll say. I'll say seventy. I wanna say, Okay, Well, listen, this is tough because the rules were without going over you both got it wrong. But it is my court. The correct answer is eighteen thousand, which was much closer to Andrew's first first take. This breaks down to chicken wings a month or two d and ninety chicken wings a year or something like that. I believe Andrew, you're getting the point, which means that you've won the trivia around. Congrats King. It means that you get to determine the big decision here in this episode, whether you want to present first or second in the argument of bone in chicken wings or boneless chicken wings. All right, I think I have to go first because I have too much material that doesn't make sense if I go no, I talk too much material. I just have one one thing at the time. I love that no one chooses to go first, the outlier that you are, Andrew making the decision right there, and before we get into our arguments, it's time for a quick break and we are back in my court. We are doing this in a virtual world to recap today in the food court. We have two television writers and podcasters with a bone to pick about chicken wings. Andrew things classic chicken wings are the clear superior choice. Why Cody thinks boneless wings just make something great and they take them to the next level, they make them even better. So we are getting ready to get into it. The way this works is that each of you will have three minutes to state your case. During this three minutes, lay it all out for me, because well, my judgment today is based only on the arguments made. This is not about my own personal opinions. This is just about what you're going to argue here this three minutes. By the way, the first three minutes is not the time to go negative or low and talk about your opponent's argument. Keep it clean, d gentlemen. This this is the one that we usually get off the rails with. Here do we we understand the understand After the first round you'll have to a two minute rebuttal opportunity, and you'll have the time to state while your opponent is totally wrong and just trash everything that they've said that will come after this first argument. Andrew decided, in a rare food court choice, to go first. Actually, do not make the baseball decision. I'm referencing another sport. Andrew t you're a first, ready to go? Yeah, okay, your time starts now. Okay. So I mostly wanted to open up the o commit by saying I feel like the inability to go negative puts me at a disadvantage. Should have been a sweet boy because oh not just through personality, although there is that, but because the reality is both boneless and bone ned buffalo chicken wings really shine because of the combination of sauce and butter, and even the absolute worst of the boneless chicken wings is fine. So really, the only differences are negative ones. I just think one is clearly better. However, I did make a list of the things that are better about boneless boned chicken wings. Okay, Number one the bones. I love the bones like they're like a little anatomy lesson. They're fun to eat and actually joking aside. What bones bring is a thing that I imagine I will lose part of the audience on this, but I truly believe is they do bring cartilage, which I actually do think is a superior part of the wing. I love crunching on some cartilage. I love crunching on the connective tissue. I think if you get the wing fried right, that little cartilage cap the end of the flat is one of the best parts and the reason to do it. Also, on a flat you get to have not I guess technically, you know what. I'll probably have to just be wrong on this, but I was gonna say, you got to have white meat. That's kind of dark meat. But I think it might just be dark meat. You know, a lot of blood ran through when it was alive. It's more tasty, it's more tender. It's just better. Um did I say it's more fun? I did say, it's that's my waist And there we go. Hold on, he's resting a scott nothing, Yeah, he's resting. This is a wine glass. Oh my god, I love that so much. A weird world. And when we got these as a wedding gift, who knew that this is how they would be Andrew t unbelievable. I think I will say this, and I hate to critique in the middle of the sort of discussion, but it took you. It took you sixty seconds to get into It took you a long time. We were I mean, for for as smart of a guy as you are, I was concerned a second. It was just like they're better like writers. Right that being said, the back I just had a filibuster already because I wasn't sure the back nine of your argument. Just throwing another sports reference just was very, very strong, and I think you got it. You got it at the end. There is it. It's a tasty, more tender and fun. I mean tasty, more tender and fun. It's gonna be hard to argue against fun. What a bio? What a bio for bone and chicken wings. Whether or not you get docked for saying cartilage three times in connective tissue, I'm not sure. As they're chef, I don't mind. And I appreciated the angle of the anatomy lesson. So a good first round, Cody Europe. Now you've got three minutes to talk about why boneless wings are the best? You ready to go. I am ready, all right, your time starts now, great, you know what I want to first off, I want to say that my main basis for my inclination to liking boneless is one I think you get more bang for your book when it comes to meet because you're using traditionally you use like the breast and thighs. And one of the things that I dislike most about eating boned wings now is that I'm very cognizantive that like if I eat four wings, that's only one chicken. And so if I'm eating twelve, that's three chickens. And like I'm thinking, like just conservation wise, like do I need toake kill three chickens for my twelve buffalo wings? From buffalo wild wings? I would say for me, like two flats and two drums. They were fun back when I was a young man. I think they were a young man's game. But now, like just the idea of like taking a chicken breast and dicing it up until like you know, six seven, eight pieces of of of meat, I think that that to me sat satiates me. Also, like there's some talk, a lot of negative talk about as far as like well boneless wings or or chicken nuggets and tender. Some will say, well, my retort to that is that both of those things absolutely slap. So like I'll take a chicken nugget if you want to call it a boneless wing. Now, do you want to go to Andrew's point about liking the cartilage cap, I will say, I'm a Southern man, North can kinda born and raised. We do eat the bones. We do, we need hit the bones, and I think now at thirty three, my digestive system could simply not handle it, nor could my mouth in teeth. It's like I will concede that particular point that the bones did slap when I had a young man's mouth, but I do not have that anymore. And I also will concede that the sauce is the sauce, like I don't care like a good sauced up boneless wing I think is comparable to a good sauce wing any day. But for my money, I'm coming up from a woke standpoint. I'm trying to save more of the earth and not call on the chickens. I yield my time. I yield my time has not been said before on this podcast. Now listen this is where I will just again, I am judging the argument and the first round I have to say, as a chef, we are taught things like there's flavor in the bones, Like that's where you get flavor from. When you make chicken stock, you use bones, you use that cartilage, you get all that flavor out of it. And I was concerned to hear that someone was going to argue on behalf of boneless chicken wings. I am not concerned anymore after that argument. Cody, who has taught me a number of things already today, I've had to look up what we've means before we got going. And also I just learned what what that slaps? I just learned that phrase a couple So I'm feeling I'm feeling really good about myself that I like, I knew that one. I'm here and a lot of great takes on this one. It's more bang for you buck. Do you get more chicken? Do you get potentially in a boneless wing, do you get leaner meat? Because there might be some breast meat in there. He tackled one of the obvious rebuttals, which would be, well, is it just a nugget or a tender? No? It is not. He threw a little shade saying bone and wings are a young man's game. Yeah, maturity to it. I just occurred to me that Cody and I haven't actually had this discussion yet, but I'm wondering if we're going to fight. Also about blue Cheese versus Ranch one of the blue Cheese I'm blue cheese all the way. I'm a I'm a blue cheese stand too, So we got we got a middle ground in Yeah, we have a little solidarity. Yeah, and now that is an episode we have done very controversial, I think Ranch one, but again based off not my own personal opinions, just on the arguments that were made that day. All right, here we go, We're ready for round two. It is heated. I usually wait producer Crystal for the end of the podcast to ask the guests if they want to come back, but I think you both should come back and argue as a team for something. Oh yeah, yeah, that would be lovely. Actually, if a former I heart post, I don't know if he cares, and we might have to cut this. But Edgar mom Plasier has the worst take about l a Chinese food, just just pitching that now might not be good for the episode. I like it. See look I'm doing casting, your pitching. We're all on the al right, here we go off. This is the rebuttals. Andrew, you're ready to let Cody have it? Yeah, okay, this is a two minute round. Your time starts now. Okay. So, as far as the arguments for bone less wings go, I think the easy one is you just gotta chew man, you gotta make it through that cartilage. There's no there's no amount of softness that a bone boneless wing provides that is going to actually help you. And if it's purely like a throughput thing, then you just want like a chicken puree or a baby food perhaps, like I don't think I don't think you're looking for strictly speaking food, but that's okay. And then as far as the conservation argument goes, I would sort of argue, if you're going to eat meat, having it be the visceral thing where you're dissecting a organism will be better than simply chopping up a chicken breast. And also chicken breast is I would say the world's worst food. In my I just I just hated it's the completely you know, or in America. I think it's like America's favorite food for a reason, and that's because we'll say white people have the worst taste. Which gets me to the final argument which I waited too long to make, which is the whole origin of the story is Zike tweeted that he prefers boneless wings and we have a text thread with all people of color on it, and someone posted that tweet to the thread and said, zigs X communicated as a person of color because liking boneless wings is in my in my opinion, a very white person make. And I think that is where you're going to die forever, because I have to rest my case there. Andrew t getting getting out inappropriate you think you know personal, getting personal, and also just taking a shot at chicken breast, like yeah, at the same time I wrote down as you were talking, I wrote down chicken breast equals basic a F and now I'm writing white people down next to it as well. Another a strong take. I will say this my only, my only question to your response there. Listen, as someone who has had to deep fry baby food chicken puree on a game show, don't knock it, Don't that actually sounds pretty good once you get the bread combs on there. Yeah, with the texture, with texture, that sounds okay. I'm doubt Okay, So here we go, Cody, you have two minutes out for your rebuttal. It's getting a little bit personal. You ready to go? I am ready alright. Your two minutes start now. First of all, let me go ahead and say that the fried chicken breasts has done so much for the culture. And I defy Andrew to come to my mom's house Viva Zigglers and have her cook you some chicken breast and have him tell her that's the worst fool on the planet that frankly Andrew. It's anti black, it's anti Cody Ziggler, and I will not rest and have you disparaged the chicken breast on this game show. I will not abide such such treason. Second of all, the pure chicken baby food, I would try it for me. I think it's probably adjacent to maybe a ground chicken chicken, maybe like a ground chicken burger. I don't know, Like that's me trying to to to make his negative span positive. I would try I try a chicken pure It might go hard to tell, who knows, Andrew you don't know. And third of all, perfoning boneless wings being disparaged by my black and brown and yellow brothers and sisters. First of all, I have to reiterate people are not a monol lift. All right, we can we can expand ourselves, is Andrew. If I want to go to Buffalo Wild Wings and get some buffalo wings, let me shine King. I yield my time, and there we have it. By the way, Cody, I will say the big take I had from your rebuttal there was you were like, hey, you know, baby chicken pure. You know it sounds good to you. I would eat it if you're eating bullles chicken wings. You already have, Cody. That's all I have. And this is going to be an incredibly tough close call a matter of facts. I'm going to head to my chambers, which is just off screen here, to my kitchen, and I will be back in a second for my verdict. Yeah I want you guys really drugged me and star for score Chick the Earth so hard. Yeah, well, you know what you have, charitably speaking, an outlier take, but realistically speaking, a sellout take. And because I was rat it out by my so called friends, you rat Fink. You put it on Twitter. You put it on Twitter. Look, I'm telling you in the court, I have returned from my chambers. I've spent a lot of time thinking long and hard over this, and I have well, I think I have a verdict. But before I deliver my verdict, this is a part of the show where you can leave me with one or two more sentences to plead your case for one last time. Cody, anything you'd like to say here, I want to really hammer home the point of if you're someone who loves the earth like I do and Andrew does not, conservation could be a thing that you can be into. As I said, you get four wings per chicken, whereas you get more as I said, bang for your cluck when you go for chicken breast and the thigh combo. That is my main take. Thank you, all right, Andrew? Any final words, I guess I will just say I'm not the one who has to look other chefs in the face if you theoretically rule for bubbles chicken wings, which I think is a shot at me. Yeah, exactly. I've tried to tilt the judge a little bit. I'm just saying that's not my peer group. You have to do it well. I know after thinking about this for a long time, both of you again presented great cases. I was not expecting such strong opinions when it comes to boneless wings, Andrew letting us know off the top that like any chicken wings are good, like it's the sauce and stuff that goes into it, which was an interesting take kind of revealing that chicken wings of all sorts are great. Do you want that visceral carnal moment of like thinking and dealing with the anatomy of a wing. There's flats, there's drums. Is there more flavor? Is it more tender and tasty? When it comes to bone and chicken wings? And then really just throwing shade against chicken breast as an ingredients. Moms and dads are Awesomerica right now are going to be second guessing their dinner options. And Cody delivering an incredible economic case, more bang for the book, an environmental case that potentially are saving chickens lives. Yeah, exactly. And I have made my decision, and it was not an easy one. But at the end of the day, the winner of bone in versus boneless chicken wings is Cody Zigler. You'd love to see it. Thank you. I have to also come clean right now. There's no way as a chef going into this. I'm getting goose bumps. You can't see it, but we're on video. There's no way. I thought that they were boneless chicken wings were gonna win. But when you break down the economic side of it, the environmental side of it was just too much. Gentlemen, thank you so much for coming into the food courts. Thank you for having what an epic debate. For more and Drew check out his podcast Joe Is This Racist and the show Mixed Dish on ABC. He can be found on social media at Andrew t. You can find Cody on the Dark Weed podcast and as a writer on Disney Plus as she Hulk, an adult Swim's robot Chicken. He's online at ya for zig food Court is a production of I Heart Radio. I'm Richard Blaze. My producer is Chrystal Bamahi food Court was created by our executive producer, Christopher hassiotis the rest of My food Court clerks are Gabrielle Collins, David Wasserman, and Jasmine Blaize. The theme song is by Jason ni Smith The More podcast from I Heart Radio, Visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.