John Blackburn AO retired from the Royal Australian Air Force in 2008 as the deputy chief of the Air Force, following a distinguished career as an F 18 fighter pilot, a test pilot and strategic planner. Now the Chair of the Institute for Integrated Economic Research Australia and a respected consultant in the field of defence and national security, John joins Richard for a robust discussion about the threats facing Australia's national resilience.

LINKS

• October 2021 report: Australia - A Complacent Nation
• 2021 National Resilience Project overview report
• Watch John's full March 2025 presentation on National Resilience
• Follow Richard Richard De Crespigny on Instagram and Linkedin
• Buy Richard's book 'Fly! The Elements Of Resilience'
• Follow Nova Podcasts on Instagram for videos from the podcast and behind the scenes content – @novapodcastsofficial.

CREDITS
Host: Richard De Crespigny
Editor: Adrian Walton
Executive Producer: Damien Haffenden 
Managing Producer: Ricardo Bardon

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