Elon Musk has spent his career turning improbable ideas into companies that reshape the world. To some, the entrepreneur behind Tesla and SpaceX is an engineering genius whose ambitions have transformed electric cars and space travel. To others, his politics and extraordinary influence raise serious questions about the future he is building. Either way, the world’s first trillionaire is betting Tesla’s future on AI and humanoid robots, and SpaceX’s on life beyond Earth.

In this season’s debut episode, Walter asks Musk about DOGE regrets, why he believes robots will solve America’s national debt, and the dark politics that have consumed his own platform, X. Along the way, Musk shares why living in a simulation demands that we all be less boring. A candid conversation about the imagination, drive and contradictions of a man determined to turn his vision into our future.

Interview taped August 6, 2026.

And be sure to pick up Walter Isaacson’s The Innovators: How a Group of Hackers, Geniuses, and Geeks Created the Digital Revolution, wherever fine books are sold.

ABOUT THE HOST
Walter Isaacson is the bestselling author of biographies of Elon Musk, Jennifer Doudna, Leonardo da Vinci, Steve Jobs, Benjamin Franklin, and Albert Einstein. He is a professor of history at Tulane University and previously served as CEO of the Aspen Institute, chair and CEO of CNN, and editor of Time. He was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2023.

IN THIS SEASON
Elon Musk (Tesla, SpaceX, xAI)
Peter Thiel (Founders Fund, PayPal, Palantir)
Mustafa Suleyman (Microsoft AI, DeepMind)
Dario Amodei and Daniela Amodei (Anthropic)
and more!

Elon Musk has spent his career turning improbable ideas into companies that reshape the world. To some, the entrepreneur behind Tesla and SpaceX is an engineering genius whose ambitions have transformed electric cars and space travel. To others, his politics and extraordinary influence raise serious questions about the future he is building. Either way, the world&rsquo;s first trillionaire is betting Tesla&rsquo;s future on AI and humanoid robots, and SpaceX&rsquo;s on life beyond Earth.
In this season&rsquo;s debut episode, Walter asks Musk about DOGE regrets, why he believes robots will solve America&rsquo;s national debt, and the dark politics that have consumed his own platform, X. Along the way, Musk shares why living in a simulation demands that we all be less boring. A candid conversation about the imagination, drive and contradictions of a man determined to turn his vision into our future.
Interview taped August 6, 2026.
And be sure to pick up Walter Isaacson&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Innovators/Walter-Isaacson/9781476708706">The Innovators: How a Group of Hackers, Geniuses, and Geeks Created the Digital Revolution</a>, wherever fine books are sold.
ABOUT THE HOST Walter Isaacson is the bestselling author of biographies of Elon Musk, Jennifer Doudna, Leonardo da Vinci, Steve Jobs, Benjamin Franklin, and Albert Einstein. He is a professor of history at Tulane University and previously served as CEO of the Aspen Institute, chair and CEO of CNN, and editor of Time. He was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2023.
IN THIS SEASON Elon Musk (Tesla, SpaceX, xAI) Peter Thiel (Founders Fund, PayPal, Palantir) Mustafa Suleyman (Microsoft AI, DeepMind) Dario Amodei and Daniela Amodei (Anthropic) and more!

NEW FROM THE BUILDERS: Elon Musk: "Humans Won't Be in Control" When AI Becomes Smarter Than Us

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In this episode, Michael and James reflect on Tuesday’s transformative election outcome and Donald Trump’s return to power. They unpack the GOP’s decisive victory, the recalibration within Trump’s inner circle, and the Democrats’ struggle to regroup. What does Trump’s victory signal for his stance on key issues, and how will his approach shift—or stay the same—now that he'll be back in the White House.

In this episode, Michael and James reflect on Tuesday’s transformative election outcome and Donald Trump’s return to power. They unpack the GOP’s decisive victory, the recalibration within Trump’s inner circle, and the Democrats’ struggle to regroup. What does Trump’s victory signal for his stance on key issues, and how will his approach shift—or stay the same—now that he'll be back in the White House.

EPISODE 23: TRUMP RETURNS

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Following last week’s headline-making revelations about the complex relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, Michael and James return for a special bonus episode with a powerful follow-up. In this discussion, Michael dives deeper into his decision to release these recordings now, revealing additional behind-the-scenes conversations with Epstein that offer a candid look at Trump’s tactics, ambitions, and the dark dynamics of their friendship.

Following last week’s headline-making revelations about the complex relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, Michael and James return for a special bonus episode with a powerful follow-up. In this discussion, Michael dives deeper into his decision to release these recordings now, revealing additional behind-the-scenes conversations with Epstein that offer a candid look at Trump’s tactics, ambitions, and the dark dynamics of their friendship.

EPSTEIN: FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE

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In this episode, Michael reveals a key source for his reporting on Donald Trump: Jeffrey Epstein. Through behind-the-scenes stories and never-before-heard recordings, Michael recounts Epstein's candid insights into Trump’s rise, revealing a world of power plays, unsettling competitions, and twisted allegiances. The conversation unearths Epstein’s perspective on Trump’s character, ambition, and his relentless pursuit of power.

In this episode, Michael reveals a key source for his reporting on Donald Trump: Jeffrey Epstein. Through behind-the-scenes stories and never-before-heard recordings, Michael recounts Epstein's candid insights into Trump’s rise, revealing a world of power plays, unsettling competitions, and twisted allegiances. The conversation unearths Epstein’s perspective on Trump’s character, ambition, and his relentless pursuit of power.

EPISODE 22: JEFFREY EPSTEIN AND DONALD TRUMP

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In this episode, Michael and James examine the fractured dynamics of Trump’s campaign, uncovering the tension between Trump’s outward confidence and the unease simmering within his inner circle. They explore Elon Musk’s unpredictable influence and the tactical breakdowns that have left the campaign on edge. With ambitions and anxieties colliding in the final days, is Trump truly steering his own destiny, or is his campaign unraveling from within? Have a question for Michael and James? Email us at fireandfurypodcast@gmail.com

In this episode, Michael and James examine the fractured dynamics of Trump’s campaign, uncovering the tension between Trump’s outward confidence and the unease simmering within his inner circle. They explore Elon Musk’s unpredictable influence and the tactical breakdowns that have left the campaign on edge. With ambitions and anxieties colliding in the final days, is Trump truly steering his own destiny, or is his campaign unraveling from within? Have a question for Michael and James? Email us at fireandfurypodcast@gmail.com

EPISODE 21: POWER PLAYS AND PARANOIA

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In this bonus episode, Michael and James welcome special guests Matt Kelly and Matt D'Ancona, hosts of The Two Matts podcast. Kelly, founder of The New European, and D'Ancona, a journalist and former editor of The Spectator, offer a European perspective on the ripple effects of Donald Trump’s campaign. They delve into how Trump’s populism resonates across the Atlantic, its potential impact on the 2024 election and global politics, and the lessons Europe can teach us about navigating the Trump era.

In this bonus episode, Michael and James welcome special guests Matt Kelly and Matt D'Ancona, hosts of The Two Matts podcast. Kelly, founder of The New European, and D'Ancona, a journalist and former editor of The Spectator, offer a European perspective on the ripple effects of Donald Trump’s campaign. They delve into how Trump’s populism resonates across the Atlantic, its potential impact on the 2024 election and global politics, and the lessons Europe can teach us about navigating the Trump era.

SPECIAL GUESTS: MATT KELLY AND MATT D'ANCONA

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In this episode, Michael and James assess the volatile dynamics of the Trump campaign as the 2024 race narrows. They delve into the shifting momentum, Trump’s erratic behavior during his Pennsylvania rally, and Kamala Harris’ disciplined yet cautious approach. Jared Kushner’s calculated influence behind the scenes also comes under scrutiny, as Michael and James explore how these contrasting strategies may shape the final stretch of the election.

In this episode, Michael and James assess the volatile dynamics of the Trump campaign as the 2024 race narrows. They delve into the shifting momentum, Trump’s erratic behavior during his Pennsylvania rally, and Kamala Harris’ disciplined yet cautious approach. Jared Kushner’s calculated influence behind the scenes also comes under scrutiny, as Michael and James explore how these contrasting strategies may shape the final stretch of the election.

EPISODE 20: FERAL AMBITION

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In this special bonus episode of Fire and Fury, Michael and James sit down with Barry Diller, an iconic figure in the media industry and former head of Paramount Pictures and Fox TV. Diller shares his candid perspective on the current political landscape, including his views on Donald Trump, the dangers of a close election, and how Trump’s reality-TV persona has reshaped American politics. They also explore the role of wealth and the future of technology in shaping public discourse. 

In this special bonus episode of Fire and Fury, Michael and James sit down with Barry Diller, an iconic figure in the media industry and former head of Paramount Pictures and Fox TV. Diller shares his candid perspective on the current political landscape, including his views on Donald Trump, the dangers of a close election, and how Trump’s reality-TV persona has reshaped American politics. They also explore the role of wealth and the future of technology in shaping public discourse.

SPECIAL GUEST: BARRY DILLER

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In this week’s episode, Michael and James discuss Donald Trump’s focus on side ventures, from NFTs to picture books, during the most critical phase of his campaign. They explore Kamala Harris’ empathy-driven media strategy and Elon Musk’s surprising alignment with Trump, raising questions about the role of billionaires in politics. Plus, reactions to Melania Trump’s new book and what does Trump’s return to Butler, Pennsylvania, signify for the 2024 race?

In this week’s episode, Michael and James discuss Donald Trump’s focus on side ventures, from NFTs to picture books, during the most critical phase of his campaign. They explore Kamala Harris’ empathy-driven media strategy and Elon Musk’s surprising alignment with Trump, raising questions about the role of billionaires in politics. Plus, reactions to Melania Trump’s new book and what does Trump’s return to Butler, Pennsylvania, signify for the 2024 race?

EPISODE 19: TRUMP'S WRESTLING PERSONA

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In this special bonus episode of Fire and Fury, Michael and James are joined by Sam Nunberg, one of Donald Trump’s earliest political advisors. Nunberg, known for his candid takes, discusses his long and tumultuous history with Trump, providing behind-the-scenes insights into Trump’s mentality, his influence over his base, and his impact on the Republican Party. 

In this special bonus episode of Fire and Fury, Michael and James are joined by Sam Nunberg, one of Donald Trump’s earliest political advisors. Nunberg, known for his candid takes, discusses his long and tumultuous history with Trump, providing behind-the-scenes insights into Trump’s mentality, his influence over his base, and his impact on the Republican Party.

SPECIAL GUEST: SAM NUNBERG

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What happens when one of the best-sourced reporters in the game catches up with an old friend to share his latest scoop? Every week, we listen in as journalist Michael Wolff (Fire and Fury, Siege, Landslide) speaks with James Truman, former editorial director of Condé Nast. They dish from inside the Trump campaign and share election intel before the world gets to hear it. Fire and Fury: The Podcast is essential listening for anyone looking to stay one step ahead of the headlines.

What happens when one of the best-sourced reporters in the game catches up with an old friend to share his latest scoop? Every week, we listen in as journalist Michael Wolff (Fire and Fury, Siege, Landslide) speaks with James Truman, former editorial director of Condé Nast. They dish from inside the Trump campaign and share election intel before the world gets to hear it. Fire and Fury: The Podcast is essential listening for anyone looking to stay one step ahead of the headlines.

Fire and Fury – The Podcast

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