Join Justin for a special episode of Father Figures as we head towards Father's Day & R U OK day. 
He's joined by David Drummond. 

Join Justin for a special episode of Father Figures as we head towards Father's Day &amp; R U OK day.&nbsp; He's joined by David Drummond.&nbsp;

Are You OK? With Special Guest David Drummond

In this season finale of Father Figures, Justin and Heath reflect on what makes change worthwhile as parents navigating the constant evolution of family life. From discovering new levels of exhaustion to learning when to hold on and when to let go, they explore the delicate balance between providing for our families and finding moments of peace for ourselves.

The conversation meanders through childhood concert memories (Amy Grant and Elton John, anyone?), the challenge of self-care when you're always "on," and how understanding our kids' neurodiversity helped them understand themselves better. They discuss the pressure of following up "perfect days" with ordinary Tuesdays, the wisdom of sitting still, and why becoming a "non-anxious presence" might be the most important gift we can give our children.

With their signature mix of depth and lightheartedness, Justin and Heath wrap up the season by examining what it means to mature continuously as fathers—learning to stop trying to fix everything, embracing boredom as a form of peace, and discovering that wherever you go, there you are.

Perfect for parents in the thick of it who need permission to stop, breathe, and maybe watch just thirty minutes of TV without guilt.

In this season finale of Father Figures, Justin and Heath reflect on what makes change worthwhile as parents navigating the constant evolution of family life. From discovering new levels of exhaustion to learning when to hold on and when to let go, they explore the delicate balance between providing for our families and finding moments of peace for ourselves.
The conversation meanders through childhood concert memories (Amy Grant and Elton John, anyone?), the challenge of self-care when you're always "on," and how understanding our kids' neurodiversity helped them understand themselves better. They discuss the pressure of following up "perfect days" with ordinary Tuesdays, the wisdom of sitting still, and why becoming a "non-anxious presence" might be the most important gift we can give our children.
With their signature mix of depth and lightheartedness, Justin and Heath wrap up the season by examining what it means to mature continuously as fathers&mdash;learning to stop trying to fix everything, embracing boredom as a form of peace, and discovering that wherever you go, there you are.
Perfect for parents in the thick of it who need permission to stop, breathe, and maybe watch just thirty minutes of TV without guilt.

Personal Pivots for Parents and Preachers

In this special episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with his sons Noah (19), Luca (17), Ari (12), and Quinn (9) for an honest conversation about growing up male. Using Steve Biddulph's "Raising Boys" framework as a starting point, they discuss the three key developmental stages boys go through and explore questions about male role models, emotional intelligence, and what it's really like being raised in their household.From wrestling on the floor to navigating feelings, from memorable teachers to trusted mentors, the boys share their perspectives on everything from boundary-setting to whether their dad has done a "pretty awesome job" (spoiler: they're diplomatic). It's candid, funny, and full of the kind of authentic family dynamics you don't usually hear on podcasts—including Luca's light sensitivity struggles, AJ's take on affectionate vs. mean jokes between brothers, and Quinn's very strategic answer about his favourite parent.

Whether you're raising boys yourself or just curious about what father-son relationships look like in real time, this episode offers rare insight into how connection, correction, and just showing up shapes the next generation of men.

In this special episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with his sons Noah (19), Luca (17), Ari (12), and Quinn (9) for an honest conversation about growing up male. Using Steve Biddulph's "Raising Boys" framework as a starting point, they discuss the three key developmental stages boys go through and explore questions about male role models, emotional intelligence, and what it's really like being raised in their household.From wrestling on the floor to navigating feelings, from memorable teachers to trusted mentors, the boys share their perspectives on everything from boundary-setting to whether their dad has done a "pretty awesome job" (spoiler: they're diplomatic). It's candid, funny, and full of the kind of authentic family dynamics you don't usually hear on podcasts&mdash;including Luca's light sensitivity struggles, AJ's take on affectionate vs. mean jokes between brothers, and Quinn's very strategic answer about his favourite parent.
Whether you're raising boys yourself or just curious about what father-son relationships look like in real time, this episode offers rare insight into how connection, correction, and just showing up shapes the next generation of men.

Steve Biddulph's Blueprint for Raising Boys: A Real Test with Four Sons

In this deeply personal episode, Justin sits down with Matthew Cheal-a management professional who's spent his career fixing broken organisations, but discovered that life's biggest challenges can't be solved with an org chart. From navigating the emotional rollercoaster of eleven rounds of IVF to rebuilding after divorce, Matt shares how he's learned that true strength isn't about having all the answers-it's about asking for help.

Matt opens up about the journey from tech school to McDonald's management, the compassion he discovered while working in community services, and why being a father requires a completely different kind of resilience than any workplace ever taught him. With refreshing honesty (and a few confessions about his relationship with clothes pegs and McDonald's bag-folding), this conversation explores what it means to be a non-anxious presence in your home while carrying your own anxiety, and why the most powerful thing a man can say is simply: "I need help."

Whether you're navigating major life transitions, struggling with fertility challenges, or just trying to figure out how to be present for your family when you're running on 25% battery, this episode offers hard-won wisdom wrapped in genuine friendship and a shared love of Formula One.

In this deeply personal episode, Justin sits down with Matthew Cheal-a management professional who's spent his career fixing broken organisations, but discovered that life's biggest challenges can't be solved with an org chart. From navigating the emotional rollercoaster of eleven rounds of IVF to rebuilding after divorce, Matt shares how he's learned that true strength isn't about having all the answers-it's about asking for help.
Matt opens up about the journey from tech school to McDonald's management, the compassion he discovered while working in community services, and why being a father requires a completely different kind of resilience than any workplace ever taught him. With refreshing honesty (and a few confessions about his relationship with clothes pegs and McDonald's bag-folding), this conversation explores what it means to be a non-anxious presence in your home while carrying your own anxiety, and why the most powerful thing a man can say is simply: "I need help."
Whether you're navigating major life transitions, struggling with fertility challenges, or just trying to figure out how to be present for your family when you're running on 25% battery, this episode offers hard-won wisdom wrapped in genuine friendship and a shared love of Formula One.

When the Fixer Needs Fixing: Matthew Cheal on Parenting, Loss, and Learning Vulnerability

In this deeply honest conversation, musician and NDIS support worker Andrew Kitchen (Antiskeptic) sits down with host Justin to discuss his recent journey through chronic anxiety, the deconstruction of ego, and discovering what remains when achievement can no longer define you.

Andrew opens up about canceling his band's tour in November 2024 due to a severe anxiety episode, the wisdom his wife Katie offered about thirty years of buildup requiring more than twelve months to heal, and learning to recognize when his body was misinterpreting basic needs as anxiety. From his childhood as a pastor's kid to his work helping others write songs through the NDIS, Andrew reflects on the pastoral heart that runs through both his music and his mental health journey.

This episode explores the reality of middle-aged fatherhood, the challenge of "limping in public" as musician Ben Harper encouraged him to do, and the semicolon movement for those who've faced suicidal ideation. Andrew shares the tattoos on his arms written in Star Wars Aurebesh script—"beauty from brokenness" and "strength in dependence"—and how these themes have become the anchors of his life.

For fathers navigating their own mental health struggles, those supporting loved ones through anxiety, or anyone reconsidering what defines them beyond their achievements, this conversation offers hard-won wisdom, practical encouragement, and the reminder that sometimes "this is all I have left" is exactly where transformation begins.

Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of mental health challenges, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

In this deeply honest conversation, musician and NDIS support worker Andrew Kitchen (Antiskeptic) sits down with host Justin to discuss his recent journey through chronic anxiety, the deconstruction of ego, and discovering what remains when achievement can no longer define you.
Andrew opens up about canceling his band's tour in November 2024 due to a severe anxiety episode, the wisdom his wife Katie offered about thirty years of buildup requiring more than twelve months to heal, and learning to recognize when his body was misinterpreting basic needs as anxiety. From his childhood as a pastor's kid to his work helping others write songs through the NDIS, Andrew reflects on the pastoral heart that runs through both his music and his mental health journey.
This episode explores the reality of middle-aged fatherhood, the challenge of "limping in public" as musician Ben Harper encouraged him to do, and the semicolon movement for those who've faced suicidal ideation. Andrew shares the tattoos on his arms written in Star Wars Aurebesh script&mdash;"beauty from brokenness" and "strength in dependence"&mdash;and how these themes have become the anchors of his life.
For fathers navigating their own mental health struggles, those supporting loved ones through anxiety, or anyone reconsidering what defines them beyond their achievements, this conversation offers hard-won wisdom, practical encouragement, and the reminder that sometimes "this is all I have left" is exactly where transformation begins.
Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of mental health challenges, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

From Rock Star Dreams to Holy Dependence: Andrew Kitchen's Anxiety Journey

In this deeply moving episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with counselor and pastor Dave Drummond for a raw conversation about overcoming childhood trauma and finding authentic purpose. Dave shares his journey from a broken home marked by abuse to becoming a father, minister, and healer who has literally died and come back to serve others.

From their unlikely first meeting when Justin was 14 (involving a Larry Norman album and a youth rally poster), to Dave's massive heart attack that left him dead for 45 minutes, this conversation explores the cost of serving others and the power of authentic living. Dave opens up about growing up without a father figure, finding safety in an empty church as a child, and how his own wounds became the source of his calling to "comfort others with the comfort he received."

Whether you're struggling with your own past, questioning your purpose as a father, or simply trying to live authentically in a world full of expectations, Dave's story offers hope and practical wisdom. He discusses his counseling practice, the difference between happiness and contentment, and why he believes our authentic selves—not our wounds or unrealistic dreams—are our greatest gifts to the world.

This isn't just another feel-good story—it's an honest look at what it means to be whole enough to serve others while staying true to who you really are.

Note: This episode contains discussions of childhood trauma and abuse.

In this deeply moving episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with counselor and pastor Dave Drummond for a raw conversation about overcoming childhood trauma and finding authentic purpose. Dave shares his journey from a broken home marked by abuse to becoming a father, minister, and healer who has literally died and come back to serve others.
From their unlikely first meeting when Justin was 14 (involving a Larry Norman album and a youth rally poster), to Dave's massive heart attack that left him dead for 45 minutes, this conversation explores the cost of serving others and the power of authentic living. Dave opens up about growing up without a father figure, finding safety in an empty church as a child, and how his own wounds became the source of his calling to "comfort others with the comfort he received."
Whether you're struggling with your own past, questioning your purpose as a father, or simply trying to live authentically in a world full of expectations, Dave's story offers hope and practical wisdom. He discusses his counseling practice, the difference between happiness and contentment, and why he believes our authentic selves&mdash;not our wounds or unrealistic dreams&mdash;are our greatest gifts to the world.
This isn't just another feel-good story&mdash;it's an honest look at what it means to be whole enough to serve others while staying true to who you really are.
Note: This episode contains discussions of childhood trauma and abuse.

5 Deaths, 50 Street Kids, 1 Life-Changing Lesson with David Drummond

In this episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with Paul Bugg — long-time president of the Sharks Basketball Club, husband, dad, and proud “Pa Bugg” to his grandkids. Paul opens up about raising his son Andy, who has Down syndrome, and how advocating for him shaped both his family life and his leadership in the community. From coaching under-10s to creating opportunities for all abilities teams, Paul shares what it means to step up when you see gaps, why anger doesn’t solve problems, and how love and persistence can spark lasting change. Plus, hear Andy drop in at the end with his take on basketball, lunch, and who his favourite parent really is.

In this episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with Paul Bugg &mdash; long-time president of the Sharks Basketball Club, husband, dad, and proud &ldquo;Pa Bugg&rdquo; to his grandkids. Paul opens up about raising his son Andy, who has Down syndrome, and how advocating for him shaped both his family life and his leadership in the community. From coaching under-10s to creating opportunities for all abilities teams, Paul shares what it means to step up when you see gaps, why anger doesn&rsquo;t solve problems, and how love and persistence can spark lasting change. Plus, hear Andy drop in at the end with his take on basketball, lunch, and who his favourite parent really is.

“It Was Forced on Me — and It Changed Me Forever”: Paul Bugg on Family, Sport & Inclusion

Justin and Heath dive deep into the ever-changing world of parenting - from the chaos of newborn days and surprise birthing stories to the challenges of raising teens in a digital age. They share honest reflections on how kids reshape family life, what it means to navigate constant change, and the small anchor points that help dads (and kids) find stability. With plenty of laughs, real-life stories, and raw honesty, this conversation reminds us that while change is inevitable, how we manage it makes all the difference.

Justin and Heath dive deep into the ever-changing world of parenting - from the chaos of newborn days and surprise birthing stories to the challenges of raising teens in a digital age. They share honest reflections on how kids reshape family life, what it means to navigate constant change, and the small anchor points that help dads (and kids) find stability. With plenty of laughs, real-life stories, and raw honesty, this conversation reminds us that while change is inevitable, how we manage it makes all the difference.

Parenting Plot Twists: When Kids Rewrite the Rules & Managing Change

In this touching episode, hosts Justin & Heath share their own experience and key memories of previous Father's Days.

Justin and Heath sit down with two inspiring dads. First, they chat with Phil Gaudion, who shares stories from his unique journey as a drummer and a football club chaplain. Phil opens up about what fatherhood truly means to him - laying down personal ambitions to make his family his top priority.

Later, Justin has a heartfelt conversation with his own dad, Don Gall, who reflects on the ups and downs of fatherhood and the reality of not always getting it right.

It’s an honest, moving, and hope-filled episode about legacy, sacrifice, and the imperfect but beautiful role of being a dad.

In this touching episode, hosts Justin &amp; Heath share their own experience and key memories of previous Father's Days.
Justin and Heath sit down with two inspiring dads. First, they chat with Phil Gaudion, who shares stories from his unique journey as a drummer and a football club chaplain. Phil opens up about what fatherhood truly means to him - laying down personal ambitions to make his family his top priority.
Later, Justin has a heartfelt conversation with his own dad, Don Gall, who reflects on the ups and downs of fatherhood and the reality of not always getting it right.
It&rsquo;s an honest, moving, and hope-filled episode about legacy, sacrifice, and the imperfect but beautiful role of being a dad.

Laying It Down, Leaving a Legacy: Father’s Day with Phil Gaudion & Don Gall

In this powerful episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with Australian rapper Matt 360 to explore a raw and redemptive story of family, addiction, and faith. Matt opens up about his journey from a middle-class Lutheran school kid in Croydon, Melbourne, to becoming a platinum-selling artist caught in the grip of prescription drug addiction, and ultimately finding healing through Christ.

The conversation delves deep into the complex relationship between Matt and his father - a man who sacrificed everything to provide for his family while trying to protect his sons from the very demons that had claimed his own parents to alcoholism. We hear about the guilt, shame, and people-pleasing that nearly destroyed Matt, his overdose on tour, and the moment everything changed when he encountered the gospel.

Matt shares candidly about living with his parents and brother today, the regimented life that keeps him grounded, and how his understanding of God as Father has transformed his relationship with his earthly father. This episode explores themes of forgiveness, redemption, the power of authentic masculinity, and what it means to be "perfected" rather than perfect in faith.

A story of second chances, family restoration, and the healing power of understanding our identity as beloved sons.

In this powerful episode of Father Figures, Justin sits down with Australian rapper Matt 360 to explore a raw and redemptive story of family, addiction, and faith. Matt opens up about his journey from a middle-class Lutheran school kid in Croydon, Melbourne, to becoming a platinum-selling artist caught in the grip of prescription drug addiction, and ultimately finding healing through Christ.
The conversation delves deep into the complex relationship between Matt and his father - a man who sacrificed everything to provide for his family while trying to protect his sons from the very demons that had claimed his own parents to alcoholism. We hear about the guilt, shame, and people-pleasing that nearly destroyed Matt, his overdose on tour, and the moment everything changed when he encountered the gospel.
Matt shares candidly about living with his parents and brother today, the regimented life that keeps him grounded, and how his understanding of God as Father has transformed his relationship with his earthly father. This episode explores themes of forgiveness, redemption, the power of authentic masculinity, and what it means to be "perfected" rather than perfect in faith.
A story of second chances, family restoration, and the healing power of understanding our identity as beloved sons.

"That Guilt and Shame Just Vanished": Matt 360's Journey Through Addiction & Redemption

Father Figures is a podcast designed for fathers, hosted by two experienced dads with diverse parenting backgrounds. Justin, a pastor and father of five, and Heath, a single parent and comic, discuss fatherhood through a Christian faith perspective. They aim to make fathering and faith real, relatable, and relational, offering listeners practical advice, wisdom, and encouragement.

Father Figures is a podcast designed for fathers, hosted by two experienced dads with diverse parenting backgrounds. Justin, a pastor and father of five, and Heath, a single parent and comic, discuss fatherhood through a Christian faith perspective. They aim to make fathering and faith real, relatable, and relational, offering listeners practical advice, wisdom, and encouragement.

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