Stats That Matter For Dynasty + Meatball Men - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Published Nov 1, 2023, 9:00 AM

Most valuable stats on today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast! Borg, Betz, and Mike discuss Will Levis' outlook, Zay Flowers' route tree, and if Trey McBride can be an alpha TE soon! Plus, snap count observations and changes to make moving forward. Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for November 1st, 2023.

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a Baller.

Welcome in.

It's Wednesday, November one, where as Mike calls it Christmas season.

Oh it is, yes, yes, Sorry we record a little bit early, so I'm still in Spooky season, but yes, it is Christmas time. Thank you.

So Mike does, does Spooky Season last literally one day and then we're right into Christmas season?

Or how does that work? Oh?

No?

I like I Spooky Season is definitely allowed October first, and I'm like, I'm fine. You know, if people want to start running it in September, it doesn't bother me. It's like, it's for me September. It's a little bit too long, because I mean, Halloween's it's not as multifaceted as the holiday season and things like that. So but I get it. I get the people that love Halloween. They are very much into Halloween. And I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. I'm just it's all anti Thanksgiving. That's everything comes back to that.

Yeah, I understand that as a former teacher, there's a lot of stuff you learn where you're just going, you know what, this is a little different from what I was told as a child.

But sure about that.

But also, Mike, I just I don't know if I agree with it with that take with you and Jason. I mean, I love that you guys are for it. I think I like that more that you're so into that take than actual to take itself. So I add you for that.

You're saying you're not a November one Christmas season right away?

No, I'm not a clown. But that's fine.

Yeah, you go, what is November?

Then you gotta wait just a couple weeks, Like, let's get at least two Thanksgiving or at least the week of Thanksgiving or something, and then we can be Christmas season.

But uh, that's Christmas is awesome. Christmas is fantastic, and it's having a three weeks of Christmas is not enough.

Maybe the part is is, Mike, you grew up in Arizona. Bets and I have been East Coast boys, and so we actually feel like this is like pretty cold and it's gonna get colder. But you're just kind of swimming in the same season.

Oh it's still hot here.

Yeah. I don't miss part of that, but I do miss getting it to your face. All the time on this show, we will be talking about stats that matter for Dynasty. We're going to compare a number of young players, including something I honestly did not think that we would be coming on a podcast season at all and saying, man, maybe Will Levis is better than we thought.

Well, well, well we'll see, we'll see. Let's put the brakes.

Okay, that's fine with me. I will be discussing Will Levis later. I went back watch the tape grinded the tape boys, and man, the Falcons really screwed the poocha on that one. It was bad. Yes, it was, it was very very bad.

Uh.

But before we get into it, Mike, you wanted to highlight a running back that you, uh, you went all in for Dynasty.

I I had to do it. I stand by my screw the MRB's take. But I had to make a I had to make a move to compete. I had to get a stronger RB two Alexander Madison. You know, it's it's been an okay ish season for Madison, but there's there is certainly a chance that uh, cam Akers takes over, and so I had to be kind of be proactive with that. So having said that I was offered multiple different trades. Uh, they were all around surrounding Derrick Henry. So I don't know if you, Kyle, do you know what the actually don't say it, but do you know what the actual trade ended up being?

I did not?

Okay, all right, perfect, and Betts has no idea what because he's not in the league at all. So here you go. Here were the four options that I was given, and you can try and see where, try and guess where I landed. All right, here we go, because I this is there in four context. My starting offer was a two twenty five first and a twenty twenty four second, just picks for Derrick Henry. And then I got these counteroffers, number one Alexander Madison and a twenty twenty five first for Derrick Henry, AJ Dillon and a twenty twenty five first for Derrick Henry. Take it easy over here, fellows, Zay Flowers for Derek n or Naji Harris and a twenty twenty four second for Derrick Henry. So which one do you think I took? And which one would you have taken?

There's no way you don't your boys A flowers straight up?

Yes, yeah, let's we can just get that one out of the way. Not a chance, So screw them, rb Is. I'm not trading a rookie, a rookie wide receiver who looks like he's already a hit, right.

I feel like you would have been super glad to not have AJ Dillon on your team, So that one's kind of kind of interesting. I think you went with a Naji one.

What do you think I was gonna say the exact same thing. I think the Naji one.

All right, you are correct. I traded away Naji Harris and a twenty twenty four second. The fact that it was I know it's this year, but it's a second, and now I still have two first in twenty five, where I was like, that's some good AMMO to have. And then honestly, the way I've looked at it was, okay, what is the few future of Naji Harris? He's a Steeler next year, Like next year is year four, so that's part of his first front contract. That's not even including the fifth year option, which at this point I guess neither would Neither side would would surprise me if the Steelers are just like, yeah, we'll pay him for that fifth year. But it's like, what is the future of Nagy with Jalen Warren there? You know, it's a timeshare. Is this offense ever gonna get it going together? Or get it together lower draft pick? And honestly, I was, you know, trying to find the future for any of these players, and it's like Madison is still under contract next year and cheap like he'll still be on the team. I don't know what's gonna happen with cam Akers or if they replace him, and then AJ Dillon is heading into free agency. So while aj Dillon has been incredibly disappointing, my thought process was for next year, who has an actual chance? It's very small, but a chance. This is what Dynasty is latching onto those small probability chances. Aj Doan has a small percentage chance to improve his fantasy outlook over Nagy in my opinion, heading into twenty twenty four. So that combined with the smaller amount of draft capital I traded away my boy Najie Harris and me and the YETI, me and old man Yetti. We're trying to make a title run. Here we are at the time of this recording. I think we have like twenty minutes until the NFL trade deadline doesn't seem like it's gonna happen. But I don't even at this point where let me ask you guys this, do you think it's better for Derrick Henry to be on the Titans with the chance that Will Levis is just a at least a competent quarterback plus their schedule, or is it better for him to go be part of a timeshare for the Baltimore Ravens. I think that's by the times people are hearing this, but it's just like, let's just muse it for just a second.

Well, I was gonna ask you if you made the trade with the hopes of a Derrick Henry trade or not. But I think just speaking to if he's on the Titans, which by the time you're listening to this you will know it seems likely. I mean, at this point, like he should be heavily involved, right, And I know Kyle's gonna talk about Will Levis in detail, and I don't wanna Yeah, gosh, this guy grounds to the table all the time. I don't want to jump too far ahead. But it's a one game sample and everyone's like, oh, Will Levis is definitely the answer. I think Derrick Henry is gonna be the answer as far as their game plan moving forward. Will Levis got there on deep bombs and efficiency, not a lot of pass attempts. It was Dereck Henry who touched the ball a ton last week coming out of the bye week, So I think it's gonna be the Dereck Henry show moving down the stretch here. And man, we know when it gets colder, it's ye any season. So I think Derek Henry heard heavily involved.

I heard there was snow in Vermont over the weekend. Is that is that true?

I can't confirm D and I since I don't live there anymore. However I will. I will reach out to my sources aka of the internet. In one second.

I'm not here to sniff your farts, mic, but I will say that a sentence trading for an old running back that's at the end of the line, but as a great schedule and as honestly you want to get a player that just has a chance at upset, there is no chance that Najia Harris could have given you any spike weeks as you get closer to the playoffs. So it's it's at the point of the season where you can throw out age, you can throw out all these other contract stuff. And I see these questions all the time on our discord, like, oh, you know, I'm a competing team, should I still try to like trade on the fly and think about next year. It's like, no, you are trying to win a championship right now. Don't just like always play for a year or two out, Like at some point you're going to try to win right now. So these are the kind of moves that people are making. I'm seeing them all the time. And we're gonna be talking Dynasty trades over the next couple of weeks on this show because the trade deadlines are approaching in a lot of leagues, So that should be fun. But I want to look at some players that behind the scenes things changed a little bit. I think a lot of times we only look at fantasy production. But let's go through a couple of week eight snap count observations. Bets. I will let you start first with the player who is trending up and you might even be flexing him this week in Dynasty.

Yeah, he's sort of the hot name on like the waiver wire for wide receivers. This week in redraft leagues it is De Mario Pop Douglas, which just give him extra points just for that sweet name. But over the last two weeks has played sixty seven and seventy seven percent of the snaps, and obviously now we have a wide receiver room that they basically have kind of not used Juju at all this year. DeVante Parker's in concussion protocol. Kendrick Born, who's quietly been really good this year, is out with the ACL he's done for the year. Behind that, it's like Jalen Reger and Taekwon Thornton, who was a healthy scratch last week. It's just it's bad, man, It's really bad. But you've got Pob Douglas plane snaps and it's a small sample, but this year, when he's been on the field, he has earned targets at a pretty high level. Twenty six percent targets per out run is a very good mark for any player, let alone a rookie wide receiver, especially a guy that's a late round pick like Pop Douglas. So I'm very interested to see kind of what his usage is moving forward. He's kind of been only like a three wide receiver set sort of guy for them, but they've shown zero willingness. Like I said to get Taekwon Thornton involved, Juju involved, those kind of guys. So this wide receiver room is ugly. He needs to be a focal point moving forward.

Yeah, he's one of those players that's kind of forced himself on the field. In preseason, like New England beat writers kept talking about him and I can't. I can't really tell him preseason it's like, oh, well, here's just a name for you to talk about because you need to write something. But at the end of the day, he has forced his way on the field. You mentioned his targets per out run and guys, what was their planet wide receiver before the season when they had a meeting, Like, did they have a meeting or do they just kind of say, let's throw some money at Juju, Let's throw even more money at Devonte Parker. It's is weird there.

They didn't have a good plan. They've but they've not had a I mean, aside from the like they they have been, let's call it, they've been lucky, like very very lucky. So thinking about it, the trade for Randy Moss, you know, when he was dishoveled, was quitting on the NFL. Like Randy Moss's career looked like it might be basically coming to an end of just him not liking the game. He still had the physical assets. But they get him. Obviously, Incredible things happen for the Patriots and Randy Moss, like the trade getting Wes Welker. Didn they get inflect from the Dolphins or something, Yes, and it was, but who could you have really seen him turning into that? Then you a Julian Edelman who was a defensive back, I think a seventh round pick or something, and over the course of his career he turned into that slot wide receiver. But they've not been very good at identifying wide receivers just in general over recent history, so it shouldn't be all that surprising that they keep whiffing.

Yeah, it's it's a weird team. I'm gonna stay in the AFC East and give you another wide receiver who is first onto the scenes somehow, like out of nowhere. Because Khalil Shakir wide receiver for Buffalo Bills their fifth round draft pick the year before. I feel like he was just like sitting on dynasty rosters of like, I don't know if this guy's ever gonna give us anything meaningful. And then in Week eight he leads a team in receiving yards, go six for ninety two sixty five percent of the snaps. So I wanted to mention that because that's his highest snap count since Week four of last year. So it's like Dawson Knox is on ir their backup tight end, Quenton Morris was out and Ken Caid was the only active tight end on the rosters, so they said, basically, screw it, we can't do twelve personnel this week. Let's go back to eleven. And Shakiir was pretty great. His ninety two receiving yards in the slot were the second most by a Bill slot wide receiver of the last two years per Probe Football Focus. So it's tough because I think they want to do twelve personnel, but I feel like the thing that's been off about this team this year is they're almost trying to make that happen. They're trying to make fetch happen, you know, to quote mean girls, and it's just not so I kind of like them in eleven personnel because they used to be like number one in the league. It so Cooker is interesting. I don't think you can play him every single week, Like you don't just think, oh, he's their new slot guy, like they rotated in who was at trent Sherfield, Deontae Hardy. But he's at least a name to notice, and I think all of us thought, like you could gamble on him, maybe he's a thing. But it was nice to see.

Yeah, And that was like the thing that the shift from twelve back to eleven once Knox was put on the IR. I think that's one of those things that was like it's right there. You know, it was so clear and obvious that they will have to do this, but we didn't put enough attention on it. And Shakiro was the one who came through. You know. I think it's very interesting, very interesting to be at sixty five percent actually succeed and they have been The Bills have been looking for that player for a long time. You know. It was like Cole Beasley kind of had his moment there for the Bills for a little bit, but then they wanted to replace it. Like it seems like the draft of Dalton Kincaid was a little bit of well, he's the best, he's the best receiving option left on the board who can play the inside for us. So it shouldn't be really shocking that someone is that. If someone has an ability like Shakir and he's stepping up, I don't think it's too crazy and it might be a little sticky. We'll see, we'll see. The guy I wanted to highlight is just is Is it finally Zach Charboney time for the Seattle Seahawks. It remains to be seen. We had Ken Walker missing multiple days of practice with bets. Do you remember what it was, Yeah, calf issue, so he was cleared. Walker was cleared not did not have an injury designation and played but played, you know, extremely lowest low snaps forty one percent into the lowest of the season, had the huge run and it looked like we were off to the races with Kenneth Walker again, but then he just finished with eight for sixty six on the ground. Meanwhile, Sharboney fifty nine percent of the snaps, a couple of catches. He was drafted in the second round for a reason. I don't think that this is the new normal of Charbonay plays more than Walker, but all us that had Walker on our Dino teams, you if it kind of was like a false sense of confidence over those first few weeks where it's like, Okay, no, we're good, don't worry about anything. Everyone Kenneth Walker is still the guy. He's gonna get all the touches, because that's what it looked like. But behind the scenes was Charbonnay had his own injury to deal with. Now he's healthy. Flip the script. Kenneth Walker's dealing with injury as he often has already in his young career, but something to pay attention to that this could end up being fifty to fifty much sooner than later.

You're hoping that this player is usable this year, and I just I wonder if we're gonna get that sooner than later. I think we kind of just hope it's injury only. Like, do you think it could turn into sixty forty.

If for charge at the forty, Yeah, I yes, I do. I think that's very possible. And then it comes down to who is playing inside, who's in the red zone, and who's inside the ten, because that could easily be sharbonay with you know, big grind your body. So that would be a terrifying thing for Kenneth Walker managers. Not that he can't hit a home run, he absolutely can, but you still want those easy do you want the easy touchdowns? And if Sharboney takes them away by the end of the season, it could be an ugly situation.

I was gonna say too, just in general with Seattle the rookies over the last couple of years, it's been a slow burn, right and we're seeing that with Jasn where it's not just he's on the field right away out of the gate, he's kind of taking time to earn targets, earn playing time. Sam could be true for Sharbonay, Like if he's healthy as the weeks goes on and we get to the Fantasy playoffs, I would not be surprised if he is seeing the ball a little bit more, just because that's kind of what Seattle has historically done. So yeah, and then, like you said, you've got the injury upside as well. If Walker would miss time, you know what you've got in Sharbonay.

There's only pain involved. Though with Pete Carroll, yes, there's just I mean, if you're a manager of a Seattle player. You're just holding your breath every single week, like, aren't they just gonna unlead? Like they've been scoring too since week two. I think they've been averaging like twenty seven points. And yeah, there's still weeks where you're like, how are they gonna distribute the ball. So they're a good team, but I feel like they could be great offensively and it's just kind of like muddled some weeks. So we'll see how it goes moving forward. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. All right, we're gonna dig into some stats in just second. But I had a stat that I don't know if Mike's aware of this, because you know, you just you just did the Halloween episode and for those that haven't checked that out on YouTube, like do yourself favor check it out. It's great episode. But I want you to know, Mike that you broke a forty four episode streak of.

Wearing a hat. Oh, because I had a wig on you had gone.

Forty four straight episodes wearing a hat. Interesting, is it the longest of your career. I haven't added up all the numbers yet, but it's you've been on a crazy streak and Jason himself.

Yeah, Jason has stolen my look with the hat being the fantasy hat man. I don't know if that's my longest streak ever or not.

It might be the early days there were no hats involved.

Well, the early days, I had the man bun and you can't even wear a hat with that. And then I cut the hair real short. So it's I mean, very very easy to manage. You know, just a little bit of product and you're good to go. And now I keep the hair longer just in case I need to be fancy, but I wear a hat almost one hundred percent of the time.

Right now, you are a handsome and fancy man. Good chew out a long time ago to the show. And then last thing, Mike, did you know that when you cut your hair? Fun fact of the show was the exact same episode that Jay grizz debuted.

Ooh, yeah, that makes sense. That, yes, that does make sense. I'm just a if you're a fantasy footballer, is trivia man?

It is? You know, it's there's another level of fantasy footballer's lore of just like okay, there's fantasy football and then there's just what the show's become. So that's pretty fun. It's a it's a weird thing. If you think about it. You have a weird job, and we all have weird jobs.

Yes, extremely weird.

Yes, super fun. All right, let's get into it.

Dig deep, y'all, let's go.

That's also a really old drop. You know, that's an old drop.

You got to reach back and dig deep.

Right.

That quote, I don't think it's the I don't think it is a direct from it. But are you guys familiar with beach Body, the company P ninety x. Beach Body, Yes, oh yes, yes, So beach Body is a company that did P ninety x and then the fella that did hip hop abs also did a program called Insanity, which shout out to anyone who's ever done it, it is in fact insane to do it. Like, if you want immediate shin splints, go ahead and fire that thing up. But that was that was one of his his things that he would like yell at all the time.

I had a roommate in college that went on a P nine ey x kick, and I'm pretty sure he got into insanity as well and just ruined his life in a good way. Like he was shredded afterwards. But yes, it's it's pretty wild. So on this episode, I think it'll be super helpful for a lot of people to gauge where young players are at. I think that's something you're doing on the fly in Dynasty of saying, okay, so I have this quarterback, you know, I have this wide receivers in year two or year three, are they meeting a bar that I need to actually move forward?

Like?

Do are they giving me the type of results or is there something that tells me like, hey, I can move on despite them being young, Like young receivers keep their dynasty value for a while because they're tantalizing. There's a reason why Terras Marshall was my dude, and I held on and then I just are you still I dropped him to the bottom of the Atlantic No, I said, it's you.

Yeah.

And he was supposed to be one of those players traded. Apparently no one wants him. I don't know why he just went to the wrong team. But on this episode, we're gonna talking about some of those players, some bars, and some stats that matter. So we'll talk about rookie quarterbacks first, because it was a big week. Will Levis had a big week, Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud this past week played each other. So we're gonna talk about with some of those. But when it comes to stats for young quarterbacks, one, they need time, they need actual starts. So it's hard because Will Levis just had his first start and the Panthers and Texans are generally bad teams. What I care about most, and this is from my research, is that if a rookie quarterback starts nine plus games, then they usually end up being a QB one in the next couple years. In fact, seventy five percent of quarterbacks with nine plus starts end up giving you at least one QB one season the next two years. So that's good news. That's really good. We care about rushing ability, which we're not really seeing from these guys, and we also care about ADOT. Now, ADOT takes a little bit to stabilize. You can't just say here's two or three weeks. But for the first couple of weeks, it was like Bryce Young throwing the ball two yards down the field. Bets, I will let you start first. Because Young pretty much had his best game of the year. They kind of shocked most people by winning at the very end against the Texans fifteen thirteen. So what did you see in Young and what can we expect moving forward for fantasy football?

Yeah, this is I think a really interesting topic because going into the by we got the news that they were going to change their play caller and everyone thought, Okay, well, what does that mean. Do we see a more aggressive game plan? Do they just get different players involved? What does this mean? Bradam Deeelin And what happened in general is that the team went more aggressive, more pass first, which is exciting for all the Panthers pass catchers. Gave us an opportunity to see Bryce Young a little bit more in I think favorable passing situations. You know, they were so conservative earlier in the year that he was kind of behind the eight ball and he was having to throw in you know, second and long situations, third and long situations, and for any quarterback that's hard to succeed, let alone a rookie quarterback. And so just to put some numbers to it, with Thomas Brown as the OC, they posted a plus six percent passer over expectation. In the first five games they had, it was negative two percent, So small sample, we'll see if that's but at least what I saw is that this offense is willing to test him a little bit more as the year goes on. Coming out of the bye he did have his best game of the year statistically speaking, seventy one percent completion rate, seven point six YPA and a QBR over one hundred. Now did it translate to fantasy success for him? No, and I don't think it's really going to so to me, this isn't about Canbryce Young be a top ten, top twelve fantasy quarterback. I think there will be a few weeks here and there where it happens. He just doesn't have the ceiling I think that we're looking for. But at least it leaves the light on for Jonathan Mingo and of course Adam Thielen moving forward, maybe DJ Shark for a few weeks here and there. So I just saw better overall play as a passer. The area where he struggled. He took six sacks. That's still a little bit of an issue, but at least they were more aggressive play calling, and like I said, I think it's better for the weapons in Carolina short term than for Young himself as a fantasy asset.

People wanted him to be Russell Wilson and one he doesn't run like that. And unless I see him be unleashed, like, it's hard for me to ever see a finish for him better than like fringe QB one, like QB eleven twelve on a season. So is that kind of like the range that you're thinking for him, Like, I know, we only have seven starts, but that's what I've seen so far.

Yeah, I think.

I mean we were a little concerned just in general about his fantasy sealing outlook as a fantasy quarterback when he entered the NFL, and he hasn't really shown us much that should change that idea. Like I said, can he be a middle to back end quarterback two in fantasy?

Sure?

But is that gonna matter? Does that change your team's outlooks that help you actually win a championship? I don't really think so. So I'm still not necessarily sold on him as a fantasy asset in and of himself, Like I said, more just encouraged by I guess his ability to potentially support different you know, pass catchers, not just Adam Thieling.

This week, they have a fun matchup against Indianapolis who's been bleeding points in the Frank Reich Revene. So that's kind of a fun game. I feel like if you're you know, you have him in Dynasty and you're in a two QB league, you can at least be excited, Mike.

Especially on this week slate where we go, Yeah, Clinton Tune and Jaron Hall and the boys out there.

Yeah, Mike hit us with our boy. I'm gonna is Coleridge Bernard Stroud the fourth.

Wait is that his real name? Yeah? His full name. I should say, Hey, that's not bad. It's just I mean that the conversation of around C. J. Stroud is just where because he's it's similar to Bryce Young in the fact that there's no real like he doesn't have the rushing superpower. You know, He's for the most part has been pretty consistently giving us two passing touchdowns. But the where is the confidence level with Stroud right now? Where of course it's it's off to a bit of a rocky start. He had open up on the road against the Baltimore Ravens, you know, and it was we saw at least some flashes in that game of whoa okay, okay, maybe Stroud could play in the NFL. But then from from his week Week three to six, in that four game span, we had a top twelve finish and three of them. But we've kind of have this this unfortunate arc of now we're coming back down and there's more game tape on CJ. Stroud. Do you think he is the downturn here the past couple of weeks. Is he a victim of matchup or is the our NFL defense is figuring something out he What I like for Stroud versus Bryce Young is like he has he has some like some capable weapons to grow with. Where yeah, I get Adam Thielen has been a superstar this year, and maybe maybe we all got fooled. Maybe Adam Thielen fooled the entire world last year when he looked like he was absolutely washed and it turns out no, something weird was going on and he was just banged up and he's gonna be okay for a couple of years. But so I feel more confident in CJ. Stroud's weapons. But this downturn here of especially yards per attempt, where it you know, it's slowly ratcheted up to ten. But now this past week we were down to five point eight despite completing a whole bunch of his passes. What did you What have you guys seen from Stroud the last couple of weeks? Like, is your confidence the same? Is it a little bit shaky? Where are you at with him? Bets?

Yeah, I'm mostly the same kind of where we've been. You know, for any Ricky quarterback, we shouldn't expect it to be perfect in year one. There's gonna be ups and downs, and I think we've seen enough. Again, it's a small sample. It's only eight games for all these guys, it's small sample, but we've seen enough to know that he's succeeding. I think where it matters most, and as Kyle is always pointed out, it's in that short to intermediate area of the field. Can you hit those throws on a consistent basis? I think the answer is he's also shown a willingness that he's not afraid to throw over the middle of the field, which you need to do in today's NFL to succeed. And so, like you mentioned, he's got those weapons. I like what they're doing with their offensive coordinator and their play caller. In general. The issue is when they have lost this year, their actual like pass rate has been low, and it seems like they're almost like trying to force the run game to happen, even though the run game has not been great in recent weeks. So just put some numbers to that. In their wins, their pass rate of expectation has been right around neutral minus one point six percent, and their losses it's minus six percent. So like, I think they just need to let Stroud go man and let it happen. So I've seen enough to know that I think I know rather that he should be an above average starter in the league as time goes on. So I'm still holding strong.

I think you can also say that his weapons aren't elite, right, it's snake worse like good.

They're good though, Yeah they're good.

Young players, but there are games where Tankedell still a rookie, and there are games where Nico Collins is just going to not create separation and he's kind of a lumber still. So I I just worry, like there are there will be games where this team will not be competitive if they can't run the ball. So they're trying to run the ball, but then it kind of doesn't work out. In a way they need to. So I'm still on him, Like.

What if they got T Higgins next year? Baby? Okay, Okay, I'm talking.

I just love Stroud. I feel like he's he's a gamer, he's I think they just need to get more creative with him. But yeah, I think it hasn't really changed since you know, week three or four, We're like, Okay, this is the player they got at number two. Overall, I want to mention Banana rama will Levis because this is what I said in our slack chain. I said, Will Levis drop kicked us all and then he danced on our graves and I'm including myself, yes for a week. So what I did is I went grinded the tape, as the boys said, but mostly to remember why as a Falcons fan, when you count on us, count us out.

Okay.

So while everybody was like, I'm gonna play the Falcons defense, Nope, don't do that. I mean, you can play him, but just don't expect them to come through. And the bombs, the deep bombs, are the one that's gonna get a lot of the publicity because Hopkins the Kene Westbrook had one, Burks dropped a deep bomb by the way, and a con Quo dropped one two, which pour one out the raw tools. Guys were very clear, like we did. We didn't come into this saying Will Levis can't throw the ball forty yards downfield. We came into this saying I don't know about was decision making. And that's the one thing that when I went back and watched every single throw when things were off script, he completed just thirty six percent of his passes under pressure. And the Falcons don't create very much pressure, by the way, So Will Levis when he's challenged to go off what like, what is actually there? I think it's going to be an issue. And he can throw at fifty sixty yards down the field. I just don't think that's always repeatable. So can you play him every single week?

No?

You should not. Like, do you guys have other thoughts? I know we've kind of been mostly anti Levis, But is there anything that you saw that said like, Okay, I was wrong about this, or he's better than what I thought in this area.

I don't think you can really know yet, right, I mean, it's one game, Like you said, Atlanta.

You're joy for hot takes bets.

I'm not gonna give them, Mike. I'm gonna let them fall to you Atlanta. Really, you know, like you said, Kyle, kind of disappointed and when would they ever do that?

Right?

They disappointed in the spot defensively bunch of deep attempts. I mean, you only attempt in twenty nine passes right and eight point two ypa thirteen percent touchdown rate. Obviously, that small sample stuff is not enough to give us an answer. I think relative to expectations around the industry, it was like, oh, okay, this exceeded arks. So I'm excited that there's at least a chance that this could work out. And look, if this team, you know, we'll see what happens of the record and everything like that, but if they are you know, competitive down the stretch and they can somehow see the wild card spot, I'd be so interested to see what this team does, Like do they keep going with Bill Levis or go back to Ryan Tannehill who's still on the roster. So in the short term, I'm excited to see what happens here. They get a tough matchup against the Steelers and their pressure with t. J. Watt and company this week, so I'm interested to see how he does on a short week, but I think you at least leave the light on that this is better than it could have, you know expected.

Yeah, I like the fact that we have someone who's gonna challenge downfield. Ryan Tannehill has two passing touchdowns on the year. He played six games, well almost six games. So the fact that we have someone who's willing to do that and has like a really big strong arm. Where Tannehill has not looked the same like he doesn't he is. We're a far away aways from the year that got him the bag of money from from Tennessee. But this year, in particular, Ryan Tannehill to the eyeball has looked uncomfortable and old, I guess would be a good way to describe how he's looked for me. Uh so, to have a competent quarterback, that's gigantic for Derrick Henry. One of the one of the touchdowns was some of the most absurd offensive pass interference I've ever seen, not get called. DeAndre Hopkins literally made the defender do a three sixty out of bounds, but he was looking at the ball, so I guess it was all okay to the ref. So some really fluky stuff here, but he has he has traits at least he has he's all powered up from the banana peels. So we'll see if we'll see if moving forward we can get anything. But I'm I'm with Bets. I think the with with his matchup against uh Watt coming up, there could be some problems.

His arm motion. This was my note too. It feels more like a dark time.

Yeah, it's a string. It's a very strange swinging motion.

Yeah. One of the comps that people gave was was Josh Allen, which you know, playing style in college. Will Levis definitely had some moments where he's like trying to run like Josh Allen, but their throwing motion could not be more different. In terms of Josh Allen's just got to get that big long arm. Levis just kind of like places a dart and it gets enough on it that it it goes further than what you think based on the arm motion. But he can be a menace vertically like that can actually happen. I just wonder with this team and trail On Burks, by the way, has dropped. I feel like seven balls this year.

It's it's more much hype in camp and buzz. Remember that those are the days.

Oh man, you remember remember July, guys.

August I remember his rookie draft scouting season. I loved Burks.

But yeah, speaking wide receivers, we are going to talk about a couple of stats that matter and checking on some players, some young players, because I think a lot of people have wide receivers on their roster. They're supposed to have the longest shelf life in Dynasty, and yet you're trying to figure out what is this player? So guys, right now, we are only eight weeks into the season, so you can't just totally say this is where a player's at. But usually if a wide receiver's targets per out run is a you know, fifteen percent or below, it's like, okay, they're just they're running routes. They're cardio kings as Bets calls them. The uh the uh mvss and Alec Pierce's of the world are just just running, man. So those are the ones we care about. And then yards per out run. If a player has a yards per out run below one, meaning they're not gaining a yard for every route run, then that's not good either. That's the sky more level that we look at. So Mike, I will let you talk first about a player that you make maybe have some concerns about eight weeks into his career.

I just wanted to, you know, just to have the conversation about it. It's the guy I talked about in my trade earlier. It is my boy Za Flowers, who Week one it was absolutely incredible, not necessarily the total production, but the fact that I think he had ten targets. I mean, a rookie getting ten targets in their first game is spectacular. But I want to, you know, I want to try to step back and objectively look at it. Where because I'm I am emotionally connected to Jay Flowers drafted him in Dynasty. Was one of my guys that I was touting for the off season of you need to get this guy in Redraft's. His ADP is way too late, and I think he's been a good pick so far from where he was going. But moving forward, what is the future for Ja Flowers? Again, we're, you know, only eight games into the career or whatever, but one of the things that we also want to see is a at least about a ten yard average depth of target the A dot and Jay Flowers has been used a lot, a lot close to the line of scrimmage. We're talking sixty six percent of his targets are it's under that ten yard uh, the ten yard mark that we're looking for. And it's not that he can't do it. Jay Flowers was a was just destructive in his final season in college. Like this guy was a big play machine. But the Ravens are not using him like that, at least not frequently. Every once in a while we see him get to go open it up and go downfield, but he's being used a lot close to the line of scrimmage. And just the human nature of things. Once you know as as people as human, once we decide this is how something works, it often shapes the like the forever few of that person or you know that thing, like so I have. I'm starting to get a little bit of the concerns of not that he's not his talent, but his utilization in this offense. Is Monkin gonna say, no, this is my short area guy, this is my screen guy, and I'll let Bateman or whoever be the person who goes downfield. So it's not that things can't change because we saw Keenan Allen's rookie year. Keenan Allen was a deep threat his rookie year, then he got pulled totally pulled back and was the short yardage, good route running player. So just wondering if you guys have any of those concerns that I'm talking about of this is how Jay Flowers is being used and it's good, like this will probably be the offense at least for the next year or two. And is that how they're just going to keep using him? Because if it is, it's you you won't get the potential that Zay Flowers actually brings as a talent.

It's a little concerning, Like you mentioned that thirty percent of his targets behind the light of scrimmage, is is not something you want to say. I mean, that's like Rondell Moore type of stuff where you're like, Okay, that can work in a PPR league, but it's not something you want for a first round wide receiver. That he's also weird because twenty percent of his targets are deep, so it's like they want to take deep shots. They like throwing them screens and they're doing nothing. I mean nothing in the intermediate area, which is it's a weird offense. Bets. Do you have a read on Monkin, because we've all been very pro Monkin, the three of us, and I feel like the usage has been not what we want.

What's so funny is I wonder if Todd Monkin knows he was like this fantasy football hero all summer where we thought he was going to be in the fantasy football hero all summer. But yeah, it has been confusing. I'm actually looking right now. It is like his route charts on next Gen Stats are actually kind of fun to check out. There's games where like literally it's like ten yards down the field and under in every route he's run, and then there's one like in Week five where it's everything is down the field. So it's kind of been a week to week situation where you don't really know what the role is going.

To be for Jay Flowers.

I would like to see him use more on easy routes like crossers and stuff, get him moving with the ball in his hands across the middle.

Of the field.

They haven't done that yet. I don't know if that's going to change. If they're still trying to figure out his role. It seems somewhat discombobulated right now in Baltimore, and I just kind of wonder, like, are they still trying to make Rashaw Bateman happen, like they trying to keep Odell happy? Like it seems like those factors are sort of holding back the offense a little bit, is what it seems like to me. But that's just from the eye test. I don't have any numbers or data to support that. It just kind of seems like their best way of moving the ball in the passing game to me would be heavily utilizing Zay Flowers on easy routes across the middle of the field and getting Mark Andrews to do what he always does. And it kind of seems like these deep palls to Agalore and sideline shots to Ode just don't work. So I have been a little disappointed so far from what I've seen from a scheme system.

Mike. Last week we had a rookie draft redo and Jason was on the show and he shared a little bit just like Zay Flowers is one of the harder names to figure out where he is in the rookie pecking orders. So would you rather have Zay Flowers or well, Pook feels like up in the air now, Zay Flowers or JSN.

I'd still go Jason. I think he's the far more talented wide receiver and we have some signs of life and which is I mean, that's all we needed. We just give us some signs of life so we can calm those fears of Yeah, this was the best wide receiver in the class. Uh, So I would still go with him. I saw what was Addison? Did Addison end up going first for you guys?

Yeah, Addison went as the first receiver.

That I wonder how that goes now of like knowing that it's it's not Kirk for the rest of the season, Like.

Yeah, our emotions from that episode where we had pooka well, you know, let's Stafford injury and then Addison, now we get a cut like very different. We'd be coming in with very different vibes this week. That's weird because yeah, Addison, you would have said like, oh, well he's a slam dunk, he's proven it, and now you're you're questioning, I don't know what he is is Josh Dobbs this week? Is it Jared Hall, who's the quarterback next year? It's wild guys.

Yeah, and it could be like, uh, Josh Dobbs has been okay, so like the Minnesota people, Josh Dobbs is not coming to save your season. There was like he's been Come on, Mike, He's he's just he's not he is. He is a Russian. Hearts right on the show. He is a fine quarterback, but he's I mean, there's been there's been real, real deficiencies in his game. But it is like long term this year going who's the quarterback next year? We already knew it was probably not gonna be Kirk and will Addison be good? Is Addison truly good enough to overcome a subpar starting quarterback? I don't know. I don't have the answer for that right now.

Yeah, No, that's a big question. Let's take one more break and we'll be right back. All right, Let's keep this train moving. We're gonna talk about a couple of wide receivers and finish off with some tight ends. Bets who is a young wide receiver and that you're looking at and just kind of the bar where is he at right now?

Yeah, this is a guy that you know in the offseason, we really were not big fans of just as far as his fantasy outlook, and that's Josh Downs. But man, halfway through the year, he is an every week start in fantasy, like you just lock him in because of the volume and his ability to earn targets. So I just kind of wanted to get your guy's temperature of where you're at with Josh Downs, where you see his floor ceiling combo at, because I still think for me personally, I have some doubts and concerns that he could ever turn into, you know, an elite top twelve, top fifteen sort of fantasy wide receiver. But the guy is earning targets at a pretty high level so far this year. Twenty point one percent targets for outrun, one point eight percent yards for outrun. Those are awesome numbers for an undersized rookie wide receiver, you know, in this system. So I'm at least intrigued that you know, this pass offseason during the draft process, I was like, you know, if someone else wants to take a shot on Josh Downs in the back of the second round or whatever, like you know, rookie draft, you do it. I'm gonna pass. And now I'm kind of kicking myself. I wish I had some Josh Downs. So where are you guys at with the with the rookie un INDI Josh Downs to.

Me is someone that I like, I'm happy to hold for now because I think he is a very helpful player for you right now. But if someone is bought in on Josh Downs being like a future great player for fantasy football, I would get out this, like what is he? What would Josh Downs season look like right now? If it was just a completely healthy Anthony Richardson. And I mean it's really anyone's guess, but my guess would be not anything close to what is happening right now for Josh Downs. It's say, for Michael Pittman, this is a completely different offense than you're going to see the future of the Colts is. It is not Gardner, it's Richardson, and they are two very different players. Yes, Richardson has the big arm, So it's not that Josh Dowens is going to disappear. He looks like a great wide receiver. There's a reason that that Reggie Wayne, who's you know with the team, said I think I thought Josh Downs was the best wide receiver in the class. That's a nice high praise from a Hall of Fame wide receiver, but those targets are not going to be as good and as frequent once Richardson is the quarterback next year. So if you can where was down, it's like a late second, maybe early third or I can't remember Rooki.

Yeah yeah, I think he was like a back of the second type of guy.

Yeah. So if I can take that, got the production that I got right now, and someone wants to give me a first rounder for Josh Downs, I would do it.

I I look at him as he's Jamison Crowder. That's it. That's it, and that's an okay career. That's somebody who can maybe be a top thirty wide receiver if he gets like six touchdowns. But I just I wonder if you're ever gonna get anything more. The only thing I can put some trust in is that Shane Steigen's smart. He knows what he's doing. There's a reason this offense is still super fantasy relevant despite having Gardner minshew.

So we almost didn't this. I don't know how close you guys watched the game this week, but I almost had to just tear up all colts paraphernalia that I had when they got when they were in like I think they were in the red zone and it was fourth in inches and then they pulled the whole fake going for it, like it's fourth in inches and you were in the red zone.

Just go.

Just give it to Balta Moss.

Give it.

I don't care what you do. Just go. And then they took the delay of game, Like they didn't call time out, they took a delay of game penalty, go back five yards, draw the other team off sides, so they get the five yards back, but it's not a first down because they took the delay of game penalty. And then they went for it and it was an easy Michael Pittman touchdown. So it was like, well, okay, we got there. But the fact that you didn't just automatically go for it fourth in inches in the red zone is the dead is disastrous coaching in my opinion. Chess. So we got at the end of the day, we got there, but if things had gone according to plan, they would have just kicked the field goal. And it was I was ripping my hair out, screaming at the television. Just go for it.

I mean, if it's Richardson, it's a touch push they get in, Yeah, they convert, but you.

Still have I mean, Zach Moss has been great this year. Taylor was back, which with Taylor might be banged up now, but at the time, it was how do you not go for it here? It's it's so, that is what is the probability of you picking up a fourth in inches? Like high eighties, low ninety percentile. Don't be a coward play to win the game.

Mike right coming in, You know, oh, man, I love it. Just doesn't like the cowardice.

No, it's the oh my gosh. And then you have a freaking akman in his war on war on analytics of like his favorite thing is well, the analytics would always say go for was No, they do not, They definitely do not. It is game theory numbers. And then the best is, well the analytics say go for it, and then what they Let's let's see if they were right. That's not the point, man, fail. Failure is built in to the numbers. It's not a well, you need to go for it here because the time you're gonna pick it up. No, of course, not stop it. That's not how it works. Get a freaking education, man.

The Monnayette football count. We should have like a counter a ticker of how many times he says analytics because any fourth down he is waiting to just hammer analytics. Also, one of the best quotes from mon and Net football this past week, I believe he said I've never met a meatball I didn't like during one of the kickoffs.

It's on on Twitter today. It was so funny.

I forget what it was in reference to, but anyone that watched Monde Net football may have thought that just I live for the Akman isms. They're so good.

He is very correct because meatballs are one of the most one of the most delicious things ever made. And then it just reminded me of the two weeks ago when it was Dallas, I think the Dallas Chargers game, I believe a couple of weeks ago, and it was fourth and short and it was, well, the analytics say, you're good, you should go for it. Let's see if it's right, deck majestic, fake handoff, rips off a twenty yard run or whatever for a touchdown. Where was it, Akman? Where was the whoa? They were right? Because now they have a ton of points.

Yeah, there's no homersm coming in. But he saw the analytics of his statistics and he would be a very very below average quarterback in the Standard. So sorry, taxt. My ninety self thought he was good because they.

Were winning, right, Yeah, they won a lot. Yeah. Oh did you give us the meatball video your bets? Yeah? There it is for your.

The meatball vid. I want to quickly throw out George Pickens because he's a different wide receiver this year as a rookie deep ball throw a deep. Thirty six percent of his targets were just deep and what was that? Like a one? It was very Fulton read esque to quote my Ducks, like one out of five you feel like you'd get a Pickins target and go okay, and then the next one'd be like, this isn't gonna work. This year, guys, forty eight percent of his targets are in the intermediate area. That's six best among all wide receivers. Like they're using him differently and you're kind of seeing a different wide receiver where every week he's pretty dependable. I mean last week was just one catch, it was a touchdown. It was the most George Pickens line ever one catch, twenty two yards touchdown. But I feel like we're in the area now where George Pickens isn't just jucket deep and that makes him somebody that you can start almost every single week like I have him Mike and Dino Junior. I traded for him, and I feel like every week, not only am I getting dependable points like he can have boom weeks where he's he's my wide receiver too, my flex and I feel really good about it. So anything you guys are seeing from Pickens as he more from just you know, what is he long term two? This guy's an NFL ride wide receiver.

Yeah.

I mean he was kind of one of those guys that came in that you weren't really sure what his role would be because everything was just these highlight, real contested catches, which they're they're so good, they're so fun to watch, and part of it was like, Okay, well is that just who he is? Is that the scheme with Mac Canada?

What is it?

And I just want to push back a little on this and just say, well, we need more of a sample size with Deontay Johnson in the lineup this year to know is this actually what they want him to be and what he can be, or not what he can be what the offense will let him be, or is this just a well Deontay was out. We need to give Pickings a more expanded role and not just be this go ball wide receiver. So in week seven, when Deontay came back, he did do that. Last week he did not do that. So like, I just want to wait and see what happens this year with Deyontay back in the lineup.

That's a good point and we'll see on Thursday night against the Titans. So I like it when you disagree with me, because you know we don't do that a ton when Bets and I record together. So stick it to me, Bets, just tell me I'm an idiot.

I mean you were an idiot, Kyle. Why what kind of take is that on Jordan? I'm just kidding. I hear your point, Kyle, but respectfully I disagree, and you look ridiculous.

Yes, I disrespectfully disagree. Oh get him, Mike, get him. That's is absolutely right. It's I have little to zero faith in Matt Canada and his ability to have a competent offense.

So I will post some of these other metrics in an article. We're looking at year one here two and your wide receivers kind of gauging where they are at. So it is interesting because I think a lot of people are trying to figure that out. Let's finish off real quick and talk about a couple of tight ends and where they're at. So you're one your two year three tight ends, Mike, you kind of have the big name.

There's only one guy I want to talk about. I don't care about your guys.

Oh, go for it.

No, we'll close the mind you talk about yours so we can make it quick.

Mine is just a sad, sad thing.

Yeah, because a man talk about the person that burned nuclear hot over the offseason, Okonkwo was ever like the whole industry was like no one's talking about ocon Quo, except everyone is talking about like everyone on Twitter was talking about o'con quo and how this is the future and ah and okay, que Kyle said go ahead.

I was definitely one that talked about him very much. You know, I just you know, briefly made videos sometimes in passing.

So when you go to Kyle's Twitter, you'll see this this post has been deleted. Yeah, multiple times.

Yeah, I've canceled myself for any con quo thoughts.

Kyle, there's like a three month span of missing tweets. Oh Man.

On the main show that we did Ten Things to Remember and I talked about tight end stats for Dynasty and I used Chig as the poster.

Boy for it.

And what you love seeing from Chig last year was down the field stuff guys his yards uh yards after the catch per reception is cut in half. This year it's like short stuff only. And then this past week, you know, as I was watching that Levis film like we all did, he had a massive drop on a play that he could have had at least thirty yards after the catch. So it hasn't been good. He was second on the team and routes run this past week, So need to leave the light on. I mean, you're not obviously he's just gonna sit on your bench, but he's talented enough, young enough to at least just say, hey, he's not done. But it's not encouraging. This year under one yards brought run. That is not good. So just wanted to throw out Chigg mention his name and he might have a Pulse's that's as far as I can go bets.

So he's a tight end fantasy not named Kelsey Andrews Hockinson. He's just one of those at this point to me. So we'll see don Kinkaid I just wanted to talk about quickly his expanded role without Dawson Knox. I think it was just if you have him in Dynasty, this is everything you are hoping it would be, where he is not just on the field a bunch, but earning routes, are earning targets and routes and being a focal point of the offense. Last week he was third on the team in routes, behind only Digs and Gabe Davis. So this is what you're gonna get as long as Dawson Knox is out and we don't have a firm timetable on that, but we know he's on IR so it'll be another three weeks or so at least. But even when Dawson Knox comes back, I don't know how the Bills see what don k k was capable of in this expanded role and go back to what they were doing before. So I'm very excited about what don kin k could be this season and obviously in Dynasty.

All right, now the real conversation is here, let's talk about Team mcb AKAA Trey McBride, who we were asked on the main podcast, like what is the dynasty out and there's like maybe a month ago or so, what does the dynasty outlook for Trey McBride, And at that time it was like, I think our answer was essentially the Viking feudal has started, Like we haven't fired the arrows out yet, so there is there's a chance that he goes zombie on us. But as of right now, it feels bad. And this is to me just goes back to another another bad bad coaching decisions last year when when Trey McBride is a rookie, I totally get it. Let zach Ertz be the veteran presence. You're trying to win games, but this year you don't have your starting quarterback for half the season. Behind the scenes, it sounds like they knew exactly how long they would not have Kyler. Why are you why are you forcing zach Ertz out there? Like this is a this is a try not to lose strategy, It's not a try to win it's a try not to lose strategy yards after contact. It's completely gone that that does not exist in zach Ertz game anymore. His recovery and everything happy for the man who's he's injured. Now that's why we're even talking about this, but the fact that we had such low snaps, low production for Trey McBride, who was the first tight end drafted back when he was a second round pick just two years ago, when we've seen him as a full time player, including one game, Kyle, I think what was a gain against the Falcons if I remember right, seven for seventy with a touchdown. Just I mean electric stuff that very few tight ends in the league will ever can't even dream about putting up a game like that, and then they put him right back on the bench for zach Ertz was ridiculous full time Tray McBride right immediately immediately, a fourteen target game, huge production for team McBee. And it's yes, of course this is what it should be, but what is our confidence level? And maybe that's a Josh Dobbs thing, like maybe you know kyl and Kyler's back, or it's Clayton tune for a week, whatever, regardless, Kyler will be here for the rest of the season. Will he continue targeting the tight end position as much as Josh Dobbs did. Will they keep letting Trey McBride actually be a focal point of the offense that remains to be seen. So it's we're kind of at a an inflection point in the in the cannon of Trey McBride. And are you at this point right now? Would you be pushing your chips all in or would you be would you keep your your stack of money and just let the let the flop happen.

If I had him as a poker reference by the way, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, poker face, I got it. Let's say that he's your tight end two and you're just like, okay, I you know I it's more of like a luxury to have him on your team if there's somebody else in your league that's willing to pay up for him. After this past week, because fourteen targets is insane. Thirty nine percent of the team's target's insane, and being targeted on twenty seven percent of you routes is insane. That's probably the best it's ever gonna be. Yeah, So I you know, do you think you could get a late first for him?

I mean, that's what you That's what a lot of people spent just to draft him though, right, So would you when you're saying cash out? But it's like, okay, so he's your let's say he's your tight end two. But there's a lot of people where it's like, your tight end one is Evan Ingram, your tight end one is Darren Waller, Your tight end one is Carl Pitts. You know, I mean like there's there's there's Travis Kelse, Mark Andrews, and Hawkinson. Other than that, I don't know that it matters who you're tight end. Well, maybe Sam Laporta because it seems like he is skyrocketing, but like even Kittle, Kittle has still has his explosive games, but he just absolutely vanishes for a huge stretches of time.

So what.

Aside from those tight ends, if you had those that your tight end one, would you really be willing to, like you want to bail out on McBride or is it better for your Dynasty team to see what he becomes.

I'll just give this a quick take from last week, so before this game where he exploded we got the news of zach Ertz on R and I was like, Ro'm just gonnaut him on the trade block and just see what people offer. And it was like, man, it was like you know, in a super flex league, it was like PJ Walker in a third and like just yeah, random stuff like that. It's like, yeah, I'm gonna keep him and just hope. And then this happened and I'm like, okay, so I put them back on the block to see, oh I got some early second projected early second offers from non contending teams. I would not well, yeah, and that's what I mean. It's like, well, that's not really enough of a difference maker to me. I'd at least look, we're starving for tight ends that can actually make a difference in fantasy. And it's the smallest sample, but in games where he has gotten opportunity, he has earned targets, and it's so hard to find that at the ten of position. This is a guy in college who caught over a thousand yards in his final year domin. That does not happen for college tight end. So unless someone I think offers me at least a late first I'm probably just holding on and seeing what I got.

Yeah, that's probably the best advice because, like I said, my gut was, I need at least a late first and I don't know if I'm going to get it, And at the end of the day, it's probably best just to say, let me wait see where this goes. And like Mike mentioned, if you're one of those teams that doesn't have an leade tight end, sweet mix a match. You can play McBride, you know, you can you know, play some other guys Ferguson, whoever, and just kind of ride it out from there.

But and what is the future of the Cardinals pass catchers. Hollywood Brown is a free agent. He was his name was floated a lot for the trade deadline that has come and gone. He's still on the team, but at least as of right now, they don't have an extension for him. It's like Michael Wilson and we're probably near the end of ron Dale Moore's contract as well. There's I mean, you don't want to get too far in front of your skis because it's in dynasty. It's very very difficult to not overreact. But what there are not many tight ends who you can at least, you know, if you close your eyes just like have them open just enough so that there's like a barely any light coming into your eyes. There's very few tight ends where you can see the path that this this is a player who could be in the offense, a Mark Andrews or Travis Kelsey. I'm I'm not putting his skill or his talent level there right now, but saying very few teams actually build around the tight end position. That's kind of the biggest problem I think for all of us is there's a lot of really talented tight ends out there, but no one gets the Travis Kelsey treatment or the Mark Andrews treatment where they are truly the first read in the offense. Is there a chance that, so I'll ask that question to close out the conversation. Is there a chance in your opinion that Trey McBride can become the number one read in this offense next year?

Yes, Okay, there's a chance.

Yeah, there is. You're saying chances.

So you're telling me there's a chance.

But I can go through the rest of you know, oh, sure, here's is there a chance that uh, George Kittle is the number one? Nope? Cole Comet, no Ingram, no Godard, no Logan Thomas, no Pitts, no Schultz, no Jake Ferguson. No. You know, it's it's a real easy you just slam the door shut and say no, impossible. Maybe McBride just there's the least, there's the light seeps in.

Yeah, it's a good point.

It's probably no, don't hear what I'm not saying. It's probably no, very true, but of right now, it's not a definitive one.

Yeah, and that's rare. Like you said, if you just start going team by team, all thirty two teams, you can start realizing like, wow, there's a lot fewer than you think. So that's gonna do it for this episode. Next week we will get to talk about some of our mid season Dynasty awards with Jason and get to talk through some of that. So that's gonna do it for us. You can check out everything fanas Footballers dot com. If you want to be a part of our community, join the foot dot com and hang out with us guys. We'll see you next week.

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