Preseason Power Up! + Giant Slot Receivers - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Published Aug 14, 2024, 9:00 AM

Preseason takeaways on today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast! Borg, Jason, and Mike review the first week of preseason action: including veterans who won't go away, slot WR usage, and the puzzling Broncos offense. Javonte Williams, Adonai Mitchell, Stefon Diggs and many more players discussed! Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for August 14th, 2024.

 

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a baller.

Welcome in.

It's Wednesday, August fourteenth. We're here on the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast. I'm your host, Copperganoni, and I'm joined by Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

Once again, once again, we are back.

We are back, and Bets is still being lazy. Yeah yeah, talking about that, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he needs to.

Be back to work dunked on right now because oh for sure, because.

Because of the laziness that too.

And if your new listener, Bets is one of the normal co hosts, a part of this group, but he is in a state of I don't even know what it is right now because he's two and a half weeks in fothering. I don't know if he's doing that.

He think he's just he just called time off. Like guys, I'm having a new kid. I'm in my third child, so I need some time off. And he's just like fishing.

He's video gaming, he's fly fishing. He's b because the thing is is, look, i've been Bets before, I started with twins like he did, right, and that's work. That's like you are doing every diaper. You're doing a diaper, next to her doing a diaper, doing a bottle, next to her doing a bottle. Now there's one. He's fly fishing, man. He he needed three hours off. That's it. Three hours. Get back in here, get to work, bets. But here we are being awesome. Mike, Oh yeah, every day.

Oh and me and me too, right right now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was it was all of us.

We are in the throngs of things. When it comes to the season of fantasy football, like this week's episodes on the main show, it's like a banger day after day. I mean, we went through rankings, we have tips and tricks, we have my guys coming up. You guys are doing a live stream. You have a live show. It feels like every single day I look up and I go, oh, we have something else going on because the people need to be ready. And I had my own auction league this past weekend. I used the UK and but so did my uh fellow fellow league mates.

And how long did that take the auction Yeah?

Four hours?

Yeah, that's a draft. Like, dude, I love the concept, like the I you know, the idea that I can't I have access to whatever player I want, because that the downside of the Snake Draft is if I don't have if I have to pick one ten, I know these players without a doubt with I can't be they can't be on my team. And that sucks. That's a that's a crappy way to start. But good lord, four hours for one draft.

And we do have we have somebody who is the auctioneer who's not part of the league. Oh that's so nice, because Jason, I believe you did that one.

I did.

Yeah, we we did an auction where I was both in the league and I was the auctioneer and easily, Jason, easily the worst draft I've ever had in my life. I'm I can't concentrate on drafting.

And now I know some people out there like, please give me Dynasty auction. No, we're not going to do that on the show one that would be once again at what a five hour podcast?

Uh?

That would take forever, but the format was awesome. I won't I won't lie. I did get a little carried away with the Eagles wide receivers. I didn't tell you this, Jason, but might have ended up with both of them somehow.

You better have Jalen Hurts. Then can you tell me you had both? You guys, jal are you telling me that you got you got Eagles wide receivers and you but you have Hurts?

So I probably you do? You have Dallas Goddards.

No, wait, I've made some trade since let's just say it got away from me. I was trying to bid up and I got both.

But but do you have Jalen Hurts or no?

No, no, don't.

Okay, that's how you don't stack.

Yeah, not not not not so great, but uh yeah, we're getting you ready for your drafts. We got so many things coming up on this episode. We're gonna be talking pre season risers and follers. Just some of our main takeaways from week one. Which it's easy to overreact. It's easy to look at snapcounts and say, this guy played five snaps. What can I deduce from this player playing five snaps? They weren't targeted. You know, It's like Marvin Harrison Junior. You can't really deduce anything other than he's a starter.

Right, Sometimes that's all you need.

I needed that confidence boost with Marv, just to know.

Some time about him. But there's other players out there where you went, oh, that guy arrested with the starters. That's interesting.

Yeah, so we'll go through some of our biggest takeaways. I did want to hit you boys with a quick question of right now, we're getting excited. We're having a Rookie Fever episode coming up in a couple of weeks where we talk about how excited we are for to see these rookies. But there's a lot of veterans that are fighting off competition. They're fighting off aged doubts, and in dynasty circles. They're players that people would have said, ah, sell this guy, he's on a new team. But give me a veteran that's kind of just taken all the haters and said, you know what, I'm still relevant for fantasy football. So, Jason, you have one that I wrote off beginning the off season.

I'm writing them off. I'm writing them off. And when I read this quick question, I saw it as name a veteran who is fighting off competition in age doubts, as in, like he's got to deal with that this and this is what I I read it too, Jay, This is yeah, like so maybe you you're answering this question wrong, Kyle. So for me, the guy who's having to deal with age doubts and fighting off competitions, that's Stefan Diggs. You've got what I believe right now today is two more talented wide receivers than him. You know, I think that the thirty year old version of Stefan Diggs is great. He's a really good wide receiver. He is not his best obviously that's gonna be, you know, twenty seven year old Stefan Diggs. And I think that the current Nico Collins and Tank Dell are better, more explosive wide receivers who have more rapport with the quarterback, more time under this offensive system. And so there's a lot of question marks for me with Stefon Diggs. He is fighting off competition, and you know, we've got the metrics of like obviously a totally different team. But with the Bills. You know, when he was in three wide receiver sets twenty one, twenty two, twenty three, all of these years, he was not good in three wide receiver sets. His yards per route run were one point eight, which is terrible. One point six and twenty twenty two was it was okay, okay, but you look at when he's on the field in two wide receiver sets and he's awesome. He's Stefon Diggs. Well, that's not going to be as prevalent. He will still be on the field in two wide receiver sets, I believe for the Texans, but I don't think that that will be as prevalent as it was for the Bills. And obviously he's not getting any younger. So these are just aged outs for me where I find myself really excited. Obviously for a dynasty league, I am one hundred percent in on Nico and Tank Dell, and I feel like I'm eighty five percent out on Digs.

Let me let me ask this question, because we kind of suggested that he could end up being a salt wide receiver at this point his career. It's different than the downfield threat he was in Minnesota, and so we did see that three out of the four plays and eleven personnel he was the slot wide receiver. So that can kind of prolong his career. But for fantasy I think he might be seeing less valuable targets. I mean his yards pro out run last year in the slot was one point too. It wasn't good, so I so. But the other thing is he did stay in on twelve personnel. So are you at all worried about Tank not getting as many snaps? We hope, because I want Tank to be on the field. I think he should be on the field. But Diggs is kind of a alpha personality.

Yeah, I mean, I I think you're gonna have different games where one of these three guys disappears at random. It's not gonna be a perfect there. Nico's gonna be awesome and Tanke Dell's gonna be awesome, and neither one of them are gonna be great every single week. It's just impossible. With this type of offense. They're gonna they're gonna be great the majority of time, I hope. And yeah, I do think you're gonna see like you saw in preseason, Tank Dell played fewer snaps, ran fewer routes than either of these other guys. Also would have been the most valuable for fantasy because he had am a.

Touchdown, So yeah, I would. Uh, I'm not worried.

Okay, as a Diggs Dynasty manager, I'm holding on hope that he is still relevant Top twenty ish. But everything I've done in the research. Everything we've talked about says like, Okay, I should be moving on in my mind thinking that he's gonna be anything special with.

The utilization of the very very very very very very very very small sample, very small, I'm so small. But honestly, that was I think optimistic for Diggs. The true fear was that when there's only two wide out there, it's Nico and Tank. I'm talking about the fear for Steffon Diggs, right, and that he is just the slot wide receiver. If he's playing outside in twelve and then goes to the slot in eleven, that it doesn't bother me like that. That raises the floor up for Stefan Diggs, which I've basically been We're a Dynasty show here, but in Redraft I've been out on his ADP. But if I have him in Dynasty, I'm encouraged by that alignment. But what is the dynasty outlook do you think for Digs beyond this year? Right, he's a completely unrestricted free agent. Obviously on a team like this, there would never be a franchise, so he's probably going to be chasing money. Yeah, I would think at this point in his career, which most likely won't be the Texans. I think he'll be chasing. I think he'll go title chasing.

Okay, my point is, do you think he goes to the Texans? Do you think he hits the the open market? And is there value beyond this year that could be really good for Stefan Diggs for fantasy Go.

Ahead, cough.

I was just gonna say, there's a couple of routes when you get to this age of like you can still be valuable for an NFL team, but maybe not so Like does he go somewhere like theling where feeling's like, whoa, he got a ton of guaranteed money and he still had what two You know, he's gonna have two years of at least being relevant for NFL purposes. Saw a ton of targets last year. Like, that's kind of the best case scenario I see beyond this year, And therefore if I tried to acquire him, I wouldn't throw out anything more than a second. I think that's just like where I'm drawing the line. If he's great, he hits, you get another year, that's fine, But like I name value alone, people are gonna want more than.

Just a second. Yeah, probably.

I think I as a Mint manager, I wouldn't trade him away for a second right.

Now, Yeah, I agree, I wouldn't trade him away for that either. Jason, Yeah, I guess now I was that was? That was really close. I'm thinking, can I get something for him? Obviously not all seconds are the same. I mean, if you're trading for the second round pick from the worst team in the league, then great, But more than likely if someone's trying to get digs, they're not. They're not a youthful rebuilding team, so yeah, second probably doesn't work.

All right.

I give us a takeaway for you which I feel like we've we've been through this before.

This story and before, yes and before, because this man just gets veteran love. It is zach Ertz tight end for the Washington Manders, who hilariously has kept really good tight ends off the field. It started in Philadelphia when second round Dallas Goddard. We couldn't unleash him because you got to keep throwing to zach Ertz so we can fall down immediately. Then it was Trey McBride in Arizona, and now unfortunately it probably is Ben Sinnett and he was.

Fully ahead of McBride like he wasn't Zach It wasn't like, oh he's he's he's capping his upside. No, it was like Trey McBride, someday you'll get to play.

This is zach Ertz's role, which we can look at it glass half full. He played in front of Dallas Goddard, and then once Dallas Goddard was unleashed, we had a few years of like, this is a really good player. You know, I think others ccumstances stopped us from getting the true elite Dallas Goddard. It looks like Trey McBride now that zach Ertz. So I mean, it's almost like the blessing. Once he passes he's a nurturing guy. Yeah, once he passes the torch, then that then the backup truly thrives. But it stinks for this year to know that, to see the one highlight play that Ben Sinnett put out there, which it was against lower competition, but it was it was what he does awesome. Yeah, it was like the Senator, thank you, the Senator just dragging bodies down the field because that is a beast of a man. He is strong, and you're like that's exactly what I saw from his college tape. It's gonna take some time because it's it's gonna be zach Ertz Cliff Kingsbury just there's there's a lot of things that Cliff Kingsbury loves. One is when you're on the goal line or inside the five, you just run it up the middle infinitely until either you score a touchdown or you kick a field goal. And also zach Ertz just seeing way too much playing time for your offense.

I wonder just you guys are more familiar with Cliff the way he runs his offenses that there they ran fast in terms of like pace. I can at least like lean into that. We like the quarterback, we like Jane Daniels. John Bates was also getting a lot of snaps with the first team at tight end. So it's like, is it just one of those things where he just has over the years just leaned into the veterans.

I mean, yeah, I think a little bit. And the like Washington had tweeted, Ertz wasn't even gonna play right, I saw that, and then I guess he did. It was it was all of it was a weird situation, but it's I mean he will be. Yeah, it'll be interesting to watch this, the John Bates thing. But you know, Ben said it's time, it's coming, but it may not be this year. If we get halfway through the year, oh man, I will be pantiless in the street.

Yeah, I mean, it'll probably be a next year. But that's so normal for tight ends. I mean that this last year was very different than the usual expectation from the dynasty life cycle of a rookie tight end. But I mean, you look at Trey McBride. Trey McBride did nothing his first year and was and then people left him for dead. It's like, this is the expectation. Yes, this isn't You shouldn't be leaving him for dead. You shouldn't be drafting him for his rookie year. You should be drafting him for the next year. But looking at last year, I just I wanted to see how accurate I was that the zach Ertz completely like the first five weeks of Trey McBride last year, the same trade McBride, who was unbelievably awesome athletic superstar, dominated down the stretch that same season.

Yes, the first five weeks he would have.

Been a seventeen game pace of two hundred and fifty yards for Ertz. No, no, no, for McBride. Oh yeah, yeah, yes, can't get that guy on the field because of Zach Ertz. It's a weird thing.

Yeah, there's Washington would be a fascinating team. And I won't even go into it, but I started doing a deep dive because Johan Dotson was playing in the slot and if.

Jan Dotson was a last year was just so catastrophic that it's hard to even mention it. But for a one week, tiny sample size, if this is what they're gonna do, if they're showing us a little glimpse of it, that was a big win for Dotson.

And we know that he's got us cardio in. I mean, he did the entire last year just running out on the field. I think it was fifth most routes. I wanted to throw out Josh Jacobs because I'm at a crossroad where I feel like I should look at everything that we've looked at in the offseason and say, Okay, efficiency wise, he's going in the wrong direction. He's done. But then it feels like everything's kind of going his way. Marshall Lloyd's hamstring injury on the first drive. It was Josh Jacobs. It's only three snaps, but it seems like things are trending in the right direction for Josh Jacobs.

At player j Dylan got snaps.

That's even better.

That's what I'm saying. That's a positive thing for Josh Jacobs these days.

And Marshall Lloyd was putting the ball on the ground in practices, which was his biggest knock as a prospect coming out, plus and now injured. I've been anti Josh Jacobs this entire offseason, and I agree with you, Kyle, like, I'm this is I just saw man. I hope this isn't Javonte from last year, out the whole. I'm just out and and or actually Damian Pierce, Yes, Damian Pierce. I spent yea, yes, all last offseason just talking about this guy is not gonna work. This doesn't happen, It's not you know, I was completely anti Damian Pierce and then man the preseason He's around us. Preseason got me and I'm like, Okay, maybe I was wrong. I'll take the l He's gonna be good. And that's what I'm doing on Josh Jacobs.

Right now.

I'm like, oh, he's gonna things are set up. You're are you trying to get me to Damian Pierce right now, Kyle, You're trying to get me to make a mistake and beat in.

Josh Jacobs.

The last person I would ever bring up for you to like his Damian Pierce. So no, not at all.

Okay, all right, but you're saying I should like Josh Jacobs.

I think there's a lot to like. Where when if I'm just buying into an offense, Okay, we're not even looking at players efficiency, all those things that we care about. But it's like six and yards per play, eighth and points per game and second in red zone plays per game. And this team had four rushing touchdowns from their running backs. That's just not repeatable. Also, he's also due I don't know if you guys know, but he's due to catch a receiving touchdown because he's never done it in his career. Really, yes, what here's the stat Wait?

Wait, wait, you're not talking about Josh Jacobs. I'm about I tuned out. Who did you? You did not talk about a guy who has played that much football and scored that many touchdowns that many passes and led the league in rushing, has never scored a receiving touchdown.

Yes, I'll give you the the thread for you. You can look him up on our on our site. But he has never caught a receiving touchdown.

One hundred and ninety seven receptions. It's nearly fifteen hundred receiving yards and no receiving touchdown. That's impossible.

All right, let me let me give you the stat because he needs to catch five more receptions out of touchdown, he would sit number one all time for players without receiving touchdown. And just to give you context, in that span, six hundred and ten different players have caught a touchdown, including twelve offensive linemen, seven quarterbacks, three linebackers, three defensive linemen, two defensive backs, and Jason Sanders, a kicker. So this man's due for some touchdowns overdue.

I think he's due to not Yeah, I got real curious thing. Maybe he doesn't like it.

I got real curious because I was like, he must have gotten close. And there's like maybe two or three. One of them got called back.

It was we had one.

He's like, oh, that's Josh Jacobs Flagg. He's not allowed to do that. So I just think that's an incredible fine there, Kyle Well.

I just looking at the stats as like, how is this possible?

Uh?

Jalen Warren also has yet to catch a receiving touchdown somehow, some way in his career. So there's a lot of players like this that I think in Dynasty it's easy to right off look at age cliffs like I look at all of our age cliff stuff and go cool, don't care, And Josh Jacobs might be the one to punch me in the face. So would you try what would you trade a first for Josh Jacobs? A late first?

No?

All right, Jason, it's week eight, you're turning towards the playoffs.

And how's Josh Jacobs doing?

Because definitely if he's looking great, I mean, at least this is a dumb game.

It's like, come on, man, the RB fourteen, yeah.

I mean, if I'm on a championship run and I can get a top fifteen running back, yeah, And if he's the RB fourteen already, he'll play more because what is he He's twenty six and a half years old. I think he's right now.

He's pretty young for coming into the league. I can look it up, but I think that's what it's gonna cost you. Either right now you jump in and say I'm gonna give a first and hope or his price only goes up from here. So at the end of the day you got to kind of figure out with him, like call your shot. The same thing with like Dave Montgomery or James Connor, older running backs. Are you gonna trade it first for those guys? Dave Montgomery probably yes right now.

Yeah, you're not gonna pull that trade off though, just where we are with the alert for Gibbs before the season. Montgomery, I'm okay with that one. Connor before season, No, I wouldn't send it first. There's as much as my belief is in James Connor of looking like he's actually an outlier running back for longevity, things could still go very wrong for him and some things go wrong for my team. So no, I wouldn't do that right now.

All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. All right, We're about to hop in and look at our biggest preseason risers and followers, so let's go for it.

Preseason power up.

So we don't want to overreact to some small sample sizes and I went back in our dock last.

Year, Well, we're going to No, I'm kidding, we would never. I think so.

Looking back last year, we did timper expectations, but we did bring up Javonte Williams. We did bring up Damian Pierce and just said, this is what happened and let's figure it out. Like, I don't know, is there any like bad feelings from us, like doing that exercise and then a year later be like, ah, we're doing this again.

No, But speaking of that, the guy I want to talk about is Javonte Williams, Denver's running back, who is now twenty four. Are we gonna do it again? We are with the same dude, We are one doing this again. And I'm bringing this up more of a I'm terrified that we are just the history is fully repeating itself. But I at least I like, as someone who studies fantasy football, Javonte needs to be talked about because he is now so much of the the year after the ACL Look, it takes time to recover from an injury. Is he fully recovered? I don't know. I went and watched every Javante snap from this game. Because Javante was Javante was the main guy. And that has been all all report coming out of Denver, not not other media sites like Javonte might get cut, is it? Is it? Estimate?

Is it?

McLaughlin all the like, all of these you know, bait types of things. Meanwhile, the Beat reporters in Denver are saying Javonte's the RB one and it's not even close. And that's what it was for their first preseason game. So just where are we with Javonte for this year? Because he's still a young running back. He unfortunately you kind of have to go back to what did you think about him as a prospect because we're entering it's year four for Davonte, right, because he's in the final year correct, So we still haven't really seen what a good healthy Javante Williams looks like. You saw a couple of games two years ago with it, and then then he was hurt, and then he looked bad all last year despite getting all the work. Samaj p Ryan came in and looked bumbling and fumbling and like you can't catch a ball. McLoughlin and Estimate, at least preseason usage were so far behind Javonte Williams. So it's just the where are you guys, because I'm I'm bringing this to the jury because I don't know how to feel that the ADP in redraft for Javante is not bad? So just are you in? Or you still feel like this is history of repeating itself? Where you at?

I have said, I'm trying to stick to my guns on this. I said earlier in the offseason that there's only two outcomes for Javonte. Either he is going to look exactly like his old self, and his old self was special.

Was like you watch.

You watched him every single play. He's getting extra yards, He's making plays that other people can't make. He's overcoming bad offensive line play or bad offensive play, and you go, this guy is going to be a special fantasy football difference maker. Either that's what he is because he's two years recovered from the injury and so he's back fully, or he is who he was last year. Last year he had a ton of volume. Tons he got, he caught the ball, he got the ball on first and second down. He had enough volume to be relevant for fantasy and he wasn't. He's on a bad offense with a bad offensive line, gonna be a rookie quarterback. So unless I see truly special, I don't care. If he's the one. I expect him to be the one. I have him stated to be the one, and I have not yet. Like when I was watching preseason, I watched him run, I really wanted to man, there was one run where I was like, oh, he looked he looked fast.

There.

Okay, but that's not what old Javante was. Old Javonte was every single play. He's just better.

That's how I felt watching him too, when I watched all the snaps, so went.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So if it's eh, then I don't want in this offense. I'm not going to I'm not going to do to Javante what we did to Javonte last year and just believe simply because he's the starter, which we already presumed he was.

So I'll go next.

And the reason I want to go next is because I think last year we had the hopeful hype of guys we were down on. Where the pre season rolls around, you go, oh okay, So I'm gonna do the opposite. I'm gonna look at something that I thought was a negative and something that was maybe even a little surprising to me, which was the snap counts and the routes run of the Bears wide receiver corps. You didn't know necessarily, you know, Keenan is the slot guy, right, but in two wide receiver.

Big slots, huge slot. No, I know, I know.

So you we talked about on the main show this morning or yet yesterday, that looks like Keenan's report reports report Yeah, yeah yeah, report.

Us just simply against this so much. When I saw this blurb, I go, not my man, not not.

No one on the planet loves Keenan Allen more than Kyle Uh. But Kyle was you know, Keenan was supposed to be uh the gigantic slot and in two wide receiver sets in the preseason he was on the field, donsay was off the field, and he ran routes than anyone. And I I really I thought that there was a good chance. And obviously week one in the preseason, but we you know where it would be maybe o'doons and DJ Moore in the you know, get the two big boys out there. Of course, now who's the biggest boy? I guess that's keen Leave Keenan alone. But I guess it was just surprising to me the utilization of Keenan, which to my eyes looked even above Dj Moore. Not that he would be the wide receiver one for this team for fantasy by any means, but that he might be the number one target if if he is the.

Number one, that's how I felt it would be the whole time if.

And this kind of confirms that if he is the number one target for this offense, it is just so straight bad for everyone's fantasy football because I still don't believe in the offensive system for the utilization of a Keenan Allen type. We've talked about that with Shane Waldron coming over from Seattle in the way that Jaysn was misused last year, and then Dj Moore. I think because of his explosive athleticism, he's the only shot in this offense during rookie year, Caleb and rookie year a doomsay to like have massive success because if he leads in targets and he's got that explosive athleticism, he could take off and be valuable for fantasy. But now it's like if he's the number two target, even if even if maybe some of his are downfield, the more valuable, I think it'll be a bumpy ride. So I am finding myself less and less bullish on the wide receivers. And then, obviously from a dynasty perspective, you go o O, doonsay is gonna be fine? Right, Keenan's on a one year deal, he'll be an unrestricted free agent, probably leave. But man, we said a lot of those things about JSN, like Tyler Lockett's so old, you know he might get caught, he might not be there this year, and then he got a new contract. So it's like you don't want to say like you might say, well, I'm taking a long term dynasty perspective on a Doonsay. Great, I don't blame you. That's how we should look. However, that doesn't mean that we're not aware that it is worse to be third in the pecking order, is worse to be off of the field, Like that's not good for his dynasty value. So yeah, I was a little uh. Even though Caleb looked awesome. He did, And in the end, the quality of these wide receivers in fantasy is gonna come down to is Caleb awesome? So you could. You could take it as a positive or negative. I took it as a negative.

Did you see enough of Caleb Williams to be more confident in him as a rookie for specifically for fantasy because he has been He's a rookie wide receiver who is being in redraft taken as a top twelve guy. So the expectations for him are perform immediately, right.

I mean I I bumped him up a little bit, but I still don't have him where where ADP is. Yeah, it's it's it's one of those I don't think I saw. I liked that he scramble, he's on the move more because I do think he has the wheels to be someone that rookie year could go out and put up three hundred fifty yards on the ground.

If he does that, oh heck yeah, baby sure.

And that was nice to see some of his uh moving around.

It's in a dynasty perspective. The teams that took him right like in a super flex league, they took him in the top you know, two to three picks wherever. Those teams are counting on him to be essentially their quarterback one or a high end quarterback two, and I think you're in a spot where you can get top fifteen numbers and feel pretty good about that with upside of what's the highest he could finish this year?

Caleb?

Yeah, like I think he could finish QUB seven.

Yeah, I was gonna say six, six, seven, eight.

There you go.

Six would be a sensation, six would be six would be awesome. What was Herbert rookie year? I think he was five?

He was awesome?

Or was he lower than that? Was he like ten? The great year was year two? Yes, the year one? Number two in year two I think year one was QB nine, But in fifteen games he was at he was at twenty two point two points per game in a four point and then his QB two finish was twenty two point four, so he was he was on pace. If he was being it was excellent. And he had speltz Keenan.

Interesting, Yeah, they both have Keenan now, yeah, which was like, Caleb has even more Keenan and so that's.

Pretty always room for more Keenan guys.

Come on.

So the thing about these three wide receivers.

It's fun to make fat jokes about nothing.

Myself, it's weird too, for a player that none of us have ever thought about being fat ever, Like.

Oh, I never, He's not even a big like I don't see him as a big wide receiver.

I know he's six too, so he's like he is, but I even know that's what they mean, did he or did he just get super yoked done?

I think it was a typo, but you know, apparently he's bigger than Kelvin Benjamin. Now, like that's that's where this is heading, is that this guy's going to be two eighty and just lumbering down the field. But it gets open and z that's the best part. Just a huge target. No, the three wide receivers, we know what they're good at, right, Like DJ Moore just got a ton of money, but can kill man coverage and one on one and yak stuff. We know that Keenan's good in zone and he's gonna be lining up a ton of the slot and then a donsay. Historically when he was in colleges, go balls and that's what Caleb can keep plays alive. So I think there is gonna be room for him to have splash plays when it comes to a duneesay. I just think you're still gonna be waiting, Like in a league where you were starting two flexes, two wide receivers and two flex Are you gonna be confident to start him in that second flex spot?

Oh?

Donsay Yeah, that it's gonna be a weekly guessing game.

I won't be Yeah, it would it would take it would take DJ Moore Keenan to be off the field. Yeah.

Well, I mean we'll see, We'll see if there's injury or anything else. But the deep catches, the contested catch year to year, I mean that that changed just even for players like DK Metcalf. It's like one year, was it twenty twenty two, was second in the league in contested catches, and then last year his catch rait was only twenty nine percent on them. It's just gonna fluctuate. And I think that's what you're gonna get with the dounesday. I wanted to bring up, speaking of wide receivers, there's kind of been a trend this preseason and really over the last couple of years of getting taller players into the slot, taller wide receivers, and so this caught my attention when we were looking at added I Mitchell and how with Josh Downs hurt Ady. Mitchell is getting some more run in the slot, and I think this is the best case scenario for him to make an impact in year one because he was running behind Alec Pierce on outside stuff and now you get to move him in there. The Eagles are also kind of experimenting with this with Johnny Wilson. It's like, let's just get a tall dude. He's not that fast, but he's athletic, and so I wanted to get Yell's thoughts on Mitchell. I know, Jason, you and Andy have this what's the best word to put this in rivalry feud?

Disagreement? Yeah, disagreement.

Yeah, I mean Andy believes Adam Ni Mitchell was elite, was really really good. I was not as bullish on him. I thought he took plays off and had flash. You know, if you just looked at highlights, he was good, but if you look at full games, it's like, what he's just disappearing. He's got talent, but whether he could put it together. So that's the disagreement. Obviously, the NFL kind of met us in the middle. Yes, you know, I was I was adamant that he was not a first round talent and he didn't go in the first round, but obviously, you know, I like Troy Franklin who fell to the fourth. So I got dunked on in the NFL draft. While at NI Mitchell is now a starter. Granted it took an injury ahead of him. I do think this is his best course. Him being in the slot is is great news. It's going to put him on the field as a rookie. I mean, it's it's wonderful for him, I mean, but it is. It is a little bit telling, though, and I think prising. Although we can't overreact because we see all the time that veterans have to you know, veterans have it and the the rooks have to earn it. But I was surprised he couldn't beat Alec Pearce. You know, It's like when when he was on the outside of Josh, but Josh Downs was, yeah, you want to talk about a guy who doesn't take a playoff. Alec Pearce literally he never gets a playoff. But it was one of those things where it's like I expected ad and I Mitchell when when he went to the Colts. My thought was like, I know, I didn't love this guy, but it's probably a really good landing spot because the only guy he has to beat is Alec Pearce, and he's better than Alec Pearce. And then he didn't beat Alec Pierce, but Josh Downs got injured. So I mean, so long as you're on the field, you get your opportunity to show your talent. And he's also one foot taller than Josh Downs, so that's that makes you know, a much easier target for an inaccurate.

Anthony Richardson. Also he is not one foot.

Feels that way. I did do a little did a little research on tall wide receivers in the slot and just kind of figuring out has the NFL changed, because like the slot wide receiver we played with in fantasy football five years ago was I don't know, Jamison Crowder. It's like that is a slot wide receiver. They're small. This is what they do last year.

So Julian Edelman just the little fidgety guys. Yeah, you don't have the You can't play outside well because the outside is that's where sort of grown men play, right and you don't fit into that mold. So we can't possibly put you there. That you have to be in the slot.

Of the top twenty pass catchers last year in terms of slot Fantasy points, so they scored the top twenty in slot Fantasy points. Over half of them were six two or taller last year, which surprised me when I look at and Chris Godwin's right there at six one sixty two if you want to count him in there. But like the short guys, I mean, Aman Raw still six foot, so he's not like tiny tiny. Jaden Reid is kind of a rocked up five to eleven, like he's good. And then you get Khalil Shakir Devanta Smith who is six foot but a stream being Tyreek Hill who doesn't count in any metric.

It's like, yeah, you can't cut Tyrek kill, not be in any sample of anything of anything, because it's just it will break it. Not weaight, not height, not a position that you line up in. Nothing, No, he's out, he's removed.

But what I'm finding is that teams want more lay up targets in zone for these guys like Ceedee Lamb. It's kind of like a couple of years ago. You remember when the Falcons did that with Julio or the Packers did it with DEVONTI, like, this is our best player, Let's put him in motion, Let's put him in the slot and in the red zone. They're awesome. So you're kind of seeing this trend in the NFL of them putting taller receivers. That's like why Kyle Pitts is so intriguing because it's not really a tight end. He's kind of just a tall, slot wide receiver. So I'm curious.

Because when I when I look at when I look at this list, I can see the whole list that you put together here in our show doc and it's very very interesting. And the you know, when you get to the first like short guy, uh, that's Josh Downs from last year. Josh Downs is in that list of five to ten, which yeah, right, he's five to nine.

Give me a break. There's no way Josh Downs is five to ten. But Josh Down getting all these strays heard, those aren't strays. Those are facts he didn't he didn't grow. We can all tell facts about each other that are okay.

Jason, on our site he is five to nine, and on on a couple others he's five to ten.

He doesn't mean our site, he is right, But my point here is that his utilization was very good in the slot for this h Shane Steiken offense. So yeah, ad Night Mitchell is very very interesting now that he's got that role. What is uh what what I I can't remember off the top of my head. Josh Downs, what is he dealing with?

What?

What's the long term an ankle prognosis? I mean, this is not something that's going to be like, yeah, a season long issue. Josh Downs will take this.

Role back, correct, But it was it was a high ankle spring a week ago that was expected to miss four to six weeks. Okay, so he'll miss the beginning of the season, but a couple weeks in he'll come back. But yeah, or ad Night Mitchell is he hits the ground running like this is a situation where I think Mitchell can full just steal the job. Oh I don't.

I mean, I believe that Ada and I can prove that he needs to be on the field, and then Josh Downs would go to the slot, or it was at the very least, whoever's in the slot, Downs would play over Alec Pierce, ad and I could stay on the field.

But I don't.

I don't think it's one of those things where Josh Downs is going to come back and stay on the bench.

It'll be interesting with Shane Steiken. I went back and we've kind of gotten to do this with Anthony Richardson. If you're looking at that offense, you're like, Okay, we have a template. We've seen Shane Steiken with a mobile quarterback. We saw it with Jalen Hurts with not a ton of passing volume. He was austper fantasy to the slot. They never really had that guy in Philadelphia was like Quez Watkins, just running a bunch of routes. It didn't really matter. But Devonda Smith was really good when he was in the slot. So I I just don't know if at the end of the day, if it's Josh Downs, is he gonna be valuable at all for fantasy. I want it to be at an inn in mitchell But I'm also willing to just let go and say, at the end of the day, maybe it's he's just not a thing. Maybe it's just meeting you and Andy right in the middle, and he's kind of like kind of good but not really that great.

Kind of like in college. O.

Yep, all right, you you want to bring your next topic up, Mike.

After a quick break, Let's do it all right. Second thing I want to talk about. Look it is it is nasty boy season. Some say it's the best season. Last week, just last week, we brought up some nasty boys of summer, and this was a player we weren't. Yeah, I don't think I could bring him up last week because it just wasn't. You weren't super sure on what the what's going to happen? Again, we're not one hundred percent confident on things. But Colby Parkinson is the tight end for the Los Angeles Rams. And if the preseason, if their Week one preseason is anything to be, it's Colobe Parkinson is thus starting tight end, and the contract would back that up. It was a strange thing when it happened that he was a player who seemingly has no production and yet got paid like he is a player with production, and I want to bring him up in just that like this is waiver wire fodder. He might still be on waiver wires out there in certain dynasty leagues. That's why it's bringing it up. I don't think that Colby Parkins is going to be a superstar by any means, but Tyler Higbee, the Rams actual starter who has been productive multiple times throughout his career, not a game changing guy, but in Dynasty, a player that you would have been really glad is on your bench, and that in a pench, you can put Tyler Higbee out there a tight end eight finish, a tight end nine finish, and Kolbe Parkinson didn't play. He was sat down completely dressed with all the other starters for the Rams. Davis Allen was the guy that the Dynasty community had wanted to be the guy to take over for Tyler Higbee. So I just I think it's we mentioned Kobe Parkinson briefly on the main podcast, but I want to get Kyle's opinion here of I just I think that Parkinson is a worthwhile stash in a world where there's a bunch of tight ends that are just floating around on the waiver wire and it's trying to figure out who could actually make noise for a couple of weeks.

Yeah, I think he's worth I mean, the guaranteed money was shocking because there really wasn't a lot of tight ends out there this offseason that you could pay attention to that got and so I think it was like fifteen and a half guaranteed that whole division. By the way, like nobody in the NFC West spent money on offense, like other than like CMC coming back, nobody spent money. And he was actually the most guaranteed money of any offensive player in the entire division in free agency. So he's big six seven, two sixty five and in the red zone. I think the hardest thing for me is if a team is throwing the wide receiver as much as they are the rams, then the tight end position is going to suffer. So I just wonder, is he ever going to be more than in a tight and premium league that you got, you know, two for thirty and you got a touchdown like that's that's kind of where I see his ceiling, and so I and then eventually Higbee will come back.

Yeah, And it wasn't like Higbee, you know, in a full PPR or a tight end premium Higbee was valuable, but he was a little bit more valuable before they had both Cooper Cup and Pooka Yeah together. So you go, Okay, what is higbee ceiling? He's out there and part of his problem is he's not an explosive athlete. Right, Higbee is I think like a forty second percentile speed score type of tight end, which is very similar to Colby Parkinson. Colbe Parkinson has twenty ninth percentile explosiveness. Davis Allen, on the other hand, is a ninety sixth percentile explosiveness score. So it's like, if you don't get a lot of volume, if it turns into not really being a PPR guy, then you gotta have the explosiveness. I still lean on the Davis Allen's side, but it is probably nobody. Yeah, and Colby Parkinson should be rostered. Yeah, because he is the current starting tight end for one of the thirty two NFL teams. So yeah, I mean he's gonna be. There's gonna be weeks and rosters where it's like I got hi, man, I gotta play Colby Parkins in.

This right, I will say he's so he's heading into year five. Let me just double check that. Yeah, he's heading into year five. And since twenty fourteen, a player at the tight end position who has finally broken out for the first time ever, like they've made into the top twelve in year five, there are no no players. There are no guys, there's uh, there are there are a handful of guys that year four that was the first time that they ever finally made it out that including including Tyler Higbee.

That's been my my biggest knock against Kolbe Parkinson is like, there is no potential, right Like, we've seen him for for four years. We know what he is. He's he's a fine NFL tight end. He is not a fantasy producing tight end. And so yeah, I mean it would be it would be shocking that he goes to a team with such great wide receivers and then becomes fantasy relevant.

I'll say the the the you got No I'm trying to think how I want to phrase it of I'm I'm in almost complete agreement with you. But I would say one thing that we you haven't really seen is he's been stuck in Seattle, and Seattle has been doing strange things with their tight ends, like no offense. At one Once upon a time was like, this is an up and coming tight end who's gonna be great for fantasy football. He was a first round pick. He was a first round pick from tight end. You he gave us two seasons of being the tight end twelve in Denver and then he was part of the trade for Russell Wilson up to Seattle, and that dude has done jack squat, Like the first year he was in Seattle, he averaged five point seven Fantasy points per game. So, and they had Will Disley and there was weird usage. So that's where it's like, is this a an outlier scenario where Seattle has just had all of these guys so no one could actually do anything? Yes, and where and now maybe if he is more by himself and this is there, there's also just it's a bit of a contingency thing of like Tyler Higbee was at his best when someone's missing from the offense and he's just man, Matthew Stafford will feed him the ball. You know. We've had just instances where that's going on, and that that's where I'm in play for Parkinson here. Again it's nasty, but it is nasty Boys season. Yeah.

One of the things that you can do is look at your team, like I'm right now looking at my dynasty team and you can do that with the Olderman draft kit, but I'm looking at my tight ends and there's data where it's like seventy nine percent of tight ends breakout before age twenty six, So I can look at Kobe Parkinson and go based on the mounting data years, you know, six, seven, eight, Like, it's just I can bet against this, but it is an offense that I want to buy into, so at least I can hold on for that reason.

Yeah, you're looking to make sixty percent bet. He's not twenty six yet, He's got a couple months.

Guys, you're wanting to make bets that are sixty percent on that side. So if you've got an eighty percent beat, yeah, push chips in.

All right.

My next takeaway from three season. I love this. I'm excited about this. It's Xavier Worthy. He's a starter. He's a starter right off the bat. And I'm so you're so in so I dude, he's good. I'm good football. I don't understand this.

I don't.

Yeah, I know, Kyle, you and I or or you and and I think the rest of us on the Dynasty podcast kind of had a little bit more of a disagreement on what Kyle's always thought he was slow, right right, Yeah, there was a disagreement on is Xavier Worthy fast?

Turns out just just by the testing that the NFL has sent every major prospect through, he's the fastest. But Kyle's still not sure.

Well, he's saying it doesn't show up on film to him, but to most everyone else does.

Keep going, yeah, keep going, love you.

Xavier Worthy is a I believe, a very talented He doesn't have the best hands in the class, but he's a really good route runner. He's more than just a speed guy. He's not a jet sweep guy that you know, there's a lot of these fast guys, these super track athletes that were good in college and were drafted high in the NFL, and it's just like they they don't work because they weren't a good wide receiver. They weren't a good NFL wide receiver. And when I watched Xavier Worthy, I'm like, he is. He's a good route runner. He can he could take the jet sweeps, but he can go downfield, he can go mid range. And they used him throughout his collegiate career all over the place. You know, you look at twenty twenty one, twenty eight percent of his stuff was behind the line of scrimmage, you know, thirty two percent was intermediate. Then you go to his sophomore year and all of a sudden, almost forty percent of his stuff was deep. He can use all three levels of the field. And this is a guy who broke out as a true freshman in you know, I mean he was he was awesome, almost a thousand yards twelve touchdowns as a little bitty baby boy out there. So he has the collegiate production, he has the draft profile. They traded up in the first round to secure him. And then the takeaway from the preseason specifically was that he played four of the six naps with the starters. But that first that first set, it was eleven personnel and you had Rushy Rice, Hollywood Brown, and Xavier Worthy. That was the those are the primary starters. Now we saw this with Rushi Rice last year that I do think you're going to see packages. I mean, Justin Watson will be involved, Sky Moore will have his packages. I think Darius Tony might make the roster. And so I don't I don't necessarily view this as hey, in a redraft league, you should be taking shots at Xavier Worthy. I'm not opposed to that by all means, You're you're you know, he's like, you know, a last round pick, that is. I don't think his ADP is anywhere near that right, like he should be like a.

Someone check. I think he's like got to be in.

The teams all over the place.

Depending on which format you are. H Yeah, why don't you look up the ADP comparer.

Has him in the seventh Let me get the comp Wow, is he really that high on sleeper? Yeah, he's okay there and then uh, espn, he's a tenth. Yeah, that's more where Yahoo's He's back of the ninth. That's that's more where I expected him to be. Was there.

But regardless, this isn't a this isn't a redraft take. This is a I believe he's a starter from day one, and he is a talented wide receiver who now you're gonna get off you know, the beginning of the season, Hollywood Brown's not starting. It's it's four to six week injury just happened. So the first couple of weeks of the season, you're not gonna have Hollywood out there. And then at any moment, Rushie Rice could be suspended. I don't think that happens this year. But Xavier Worthy is a good football player. But the best quarterback of all time potentially that is, you know, starting week one. I love just seeing him out there, and it's kind of like Malik Neighbors and Marvin Harrison. I don't want I want to see them out there and know, oh yeah, that's a starter. Now, don't do anything. Don't you touch that ball, don't you even look his way. Do not throw him the ball, because if he were to house one, if he were any any one of these first round type of wide receivers, if if Xavier Worthy catches a bomb touchdown in preseason, it's over. His ADP is going to be out of control. So I hope it doesn't happen. I want him to do that in the regular season. I think he will do that in the regular season.

Yeah, the preseason, like there's some things to watch for in terms of just performance, you know, like us watching DeVante see how is he looking as a player. But in preseason, I'm more looking for snaps. I'm looking for who's with the ones, who's being utilized a certain way. I care far more about that than I do, like or Rested, Like you said earlier, yes, it's just a matter of what's the what is the team viewing the pecking order of that player, especially rookies, are they like the Tank Dell? That was the exciting play. It was an awesome throw, great route. Just I mean he absolutely uh spun the defender in circles of confusing him and scoring an easy touchdown. That's the exciting play. But I'm looking at Stefan Diggs going Okay, well, I guess he's playing on the outside in two wide receiver sets. So it production is not everything, but production can be an absolute ADP killer.

Do you feel like so he was taken at I don't know one oh four, one oh five in in rookie drafts and one quarterback, like, do you feel like this justifies? Obviously it's very early, but like a lot of people were to sign between Worthy and Brian Thomas and Keon Coleman, which there's been some good stuff about Brian Thomas. Do you still feel like, hey, I have worthy ahead in my mind?

For me, I do have to uh, I do have a worthy ahead in my mind. Yes, I've I had him. It was really tough. I mean, honestly that that one oh four spot was it was it was pretty It was pretty er Yeah for me, Yeah, I mean, to me, it was really tough between him and UH personally Lad McConkey. Those are the two guys where it's like I think, I think they're both super talented. I love the draft capital of UH Xavier Worthy, but Ladd's opportunity is so much greater, and they both have great quarterbacks.

So it either one of those guys.

But I would I would take Xavier Worthy over Keon Coleman, over Brian Thomas Junior Xavier League at all those guys.

I think. The last thing I want to say is, in this offense, let's say that Travis Kelsey's getting twenty five percent of the targets. I don't think that's crazy to but like somewhere in that in that twenty range, and if we still think Rashie Rice is gonna be the number one, is there enough room for a second wide receiver to see enough volume? If that's where that's my only concern in year one, Probably not. He's gonna have to rely on efficiency in big plays.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, who's been the number three the successful number three fantasy producer for Patrick Mahomes? Has there been one? I mean, he's been the quarterback one multiple times, and it's like, has he had that?

Has he ever had more than good to more than two good players on the team? Though? Fair? Fair?

Maybe maybe maybe that's the issue. When you've got Tyreek and you got Kelsey, you're gonna get a lot out of them.

And he says, what in twenty twenty two, I can give you the names. Yeah, give me twenty twenty two's lineup, because that was the the fifty two hundred yards forty one passing touchdown year.

So Mahomes got there. In twenty eighteen, what do you think is the highest fantasy finish for the wide receiver two? You know, so apart from Kelsey, apart from Tyreek? Garbashi Rice, who was the best? What was the highest finish in twenty eighteen or since twenty since twenty eighteen.

Asked me the question, the just the second best producing wide receiver? Yep, I'll go Rice.

Yeah, so Rice was good last year?

Was that like wide receiver eighteen?

So Rice? Rice did the best last year, but all the other guys the best finish was wide receiver fifty one.

Yeah, it's been terrible.

It's been Watkins, it's been Hardman and Pringle mvs. Sky Moore Watson.

So it's it's so you you wanted to know Mike the twenty twenty two.

Uh huh that yeah, who had what they're uh looking at the list here, it looks like Target Leaders obviously got Travis Kelcey at the top. Yeah. Next year was Juju Smith Schuster. Oh Juju was okay, Yeah he was.

He had one hundred and one targets, seventy eight for nine thirty three, only three touchdowns.

But he was the wide receiver one.

Wow, Yeah, he was their wide receiver one. It was really Jared McKinnon with nine nine receiving touchdowns in the Uh JACKO, Let's let's go baby A.

Yes, So I just worry because historically you could bet against it, but this also just might be a different offense, like they're gonna.

How was this? How was this his depth chart? How was Patrick Mahomes this good? I don't know.

I mean his depth chart was fifty two hundred yards? He had fifty two hundred yards that year? Am I looking at the right looking at and I am looking at the right year? This is crazy? I mean this is crazy. His his wide receiver two, his wide receiver one, his his number one did not have a thousand yards. That's that's impossible to have fifty two hundred yards to be like he had Juju Smith Schuster a you know, an older broken version of him mvs Mkole Hardman, Justin Watson sky Moore. Uh, that's that's that's wild. That's really wild that he had. So basically he's spreading the ball out. And this is what I talk about with the packages, where it's like they are going to run all these wide receiver out because they they scheme up cool plays and that group of wide receivers learned that play and so it's like, Okay, put that package in. So yeah, it might be really tough for Xavier Worthy to to thrive for fantasy on a consistent basis. Could be, could be, But Mike, your question of did he not have the talent?

Right?

Like you think back and it's like, Okay, this this list of players wasn't that good. But you know, their wide receiver number one didn't get a thousand yards. It might be because their wide receiver number one wasn't good. When Tyreek was there, he had plenty of yards.

So six thousand yards this.

Year, he's my quarterback one and six and six point leagues.

It makes me think that complaint with Aaron Rodgers, like, oh, they never they never give them enough wide receivers and Mahomes like yeah, I don't care. Let's just win super Bowls with Justin Watson.

The NFL record is fifty four and seventy seven yards from Peyton Manning. For that's the it's all time single season and just there's there's a little delightful factoid. Boys, this has nothing to do with anything, but I'm looking at single season records. The tenth most yards in a single season. Jamis Winsy, Yeah, air it out well.

He had a lot of catching up to do after them.

It's so delightful. It's Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brady Mahomes, Brady Breeze, Breeze Breeze, Ben Roethlisberger, Jamis.

Winsdy, Yeah, Oh that's fun. I I was, I was waiting for the name.

I was. I was ready for you to just throw out like Blake Bortles.

That's what I was thinking. This is gonna be a Bortles fact. Let me finish this off real quick.

And I think ARLs is ninety five, Yeah, forty four hundred yards or something.

Okay, it was a fun he had. He won me a dynasty championship. By the way, I'll never, never, never forget. But this is a reminder for preseason, just kind of like want to finish everything up. What the internet wants or what fantasy football Twitter wants isn't really what always happens. For instance, Uh com Oni by Dell. Sorry else that soon. I know it's uh gone so soon.

And estimate Ludard, they're they're moving down depth charts.

Marvin Mims was the one I wanted to bring up because it's just, dude, sad Marvin first snap game and then didn't come back in for three more drives.

But but he came back in.

Yeah, if he played. If he didn't come back in, that's the best news ever. He was out there for the first nap and then it's like shut him down, shut him down.

He's too important, and it's like, oh, we gotta get what's what Marv? What are you doing? Get back at that game. The Sean Payton quotes on Marvin Mims are out of control and and I mean, but we'll go one more. Let's I want to see one more game. If they're actually going to reveal anything if they'll play some more starters. But was this like Tim Patrick is finally back after multiple years of season ending injury. We got to get this guy out there, get him running so he can, you know, just mentally be like, no, I'm cool, I can play football. Which it was awesome, dude, Tim Patrick finally being back. Fireball Jones gets his first catch in the last what three years or whatever. Immediate taunting penalty. What a dog. Yeah, and it shouldn't have even been a taunting penalty. I know the other defender started as.

The defenders standing right there. All he did was get up and drop the ball like everyone does. He just happened to be an inch from the defender. The defender should have moved. Yeah, defender respect the social bubble, Yeah, thank you, I do. Anyway, back back to Mimes, that was not great for for Sean Payton, who has just give an excuse after excuse after excuse of why Marvin Mims can't get on the field, and with the final one being well.

We had Jerry Judy. I just I can't get Marvin Mims on the field. There's just no way to do it. We have Jerry Judy you traded Jerry Judy away, and is this what's gonna happen? This is wild.

I do not think they know how to use him like I think that like their meetings last year, thirty two targets, and remember like the beginning of the year, he had some monster games. He had that two for one, thirteen to one Miami. They got boat raced, but he put up one hundred and ninety five receiving yards first three weeks and then only one hundred and sixty six the rest of the year.

Oh, Jerry Judy, But Jerry Judy and was in the way.

It was either deep or short. That was all Russell Wilson did is like I'm gonna chuck it deep or I'm gonna check it down. So my final thought on the Broncos offense you talked about Williams Javonte, I just what if this is just a bad team, like a historically bad team. Sure, and Franklin never plays football. That's my other thought.

I think that like the the real way to particul that made Jason So said, the real way to reject the Broncos is that way. But bo Nicks puts a pretty decent wrinkle into that of he looked. He looked good for a preseason start, not that we haven't seen quarterbacks look really really good in the preseason, and then then the NFL real life hits him in the face. But that's the thing is, you would we at this point talking about the Houston Texans, everything would have been, well, it's gonna be one of the worst offenses in the league. Now maybe CJ. Shroud has just ruined it for everybody else and they're just gonna look look bad and you're gonna want to believe every year. But bo Nicks looked Okay, he did.

He's been prepared right sixty whatever games he's played, he's If he's not ready now, he shouldn't be in the league.

That's that's what I kept saying. When people are like, maybe he won't start Week one, I'm like, what what are I talking? Don't draft him in the first round if he's not ready to start after sixty he literally has started more college games than any human being ever in the history of human beings. If he's not ready, you can't spend the first yes, the most games ever of any quarterback of any Auburn in human history.

Since college football has been around for modern and fifty years, he's better be ready.

In the last five thousand years, no one has played started more collegiate games and bonus.

That's gonna do it for us on this podcast. Next week we're talking rookies. We'll talk to again then goodbye.

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