Dynasty Trade Targets + NFL Surprises - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Published Oct 4, 2023, 9:00 AM

Players to trade for in dynasty leagues! On today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast, Andy, Mike, and Betz, give trade targets for contending teams and rebuilding teams! Plus, the most surprising NFL offenses after four weeks and what to expect going forward! Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for October 4th, 2023.

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty podcast with Borg, Bets and a baller.

Well, well, well here we are another Wednesday. Kyle, your voice got deeper, Kyle, you got better looking?

Yeah, I mean continue better last name too, that's true.

Welcome man. This is Andy Holloway.

So much easier to say that.

Yeah, then Kyle Borg is not on me.

But no, no, no, no, no, no, me get a better name, Kyle.

That's step one of today's show is just insult the dedicated leader of this podcast acceptable to me. Mike Wright is here, Matthew Betts. This trifecta has has never have we ever done the three of us a pod a pod no, So this is uh time breaking ground. Yeah, fresh water, let's see if we can swim. But big show today. Trade targets, Dynasty trade targets. I love a good trade. I can't convince any anybody to trade with me anymore, but I like trading. I feel like some people in our leagues, Mike, have become uninspiring, Like they're not hitting the trade market the way they should. I don't get the incoming deals interesting. Don't you feel like that every league's got a few people that just aren't aren't moving and shaking and are Dino. Sure. There are a lot of people that will go out there in a Dynasty league, Betsy, and they'll pronounce I'm ready for a rebuild, But then they wait, they wait for something to happen, and they don't go out and they don't pursue the trade.

Because it's the weird strategy of they feel like if they're starting the talk, they're at a coming in from a position of weakness.

Yeah, but no, no time at all.

Wrong, Okay, I'm just saying like, that's a lot of people feel like that.

What do you think, Betsy, Yeah, I mean specifically on the rebuild thing, if you're the one initiating the rebuild, like I'm not going to you for the offers like you come to me. Okay, I do think that's the way that it should be done. Now, I play Most of the Dynasty legu's I play in are just true sickos that just love Dynasty more than anything. So my leagues are fun because there's just so many trades going on that sometimes it's actually overwhelming how many trades are going on in my leagues. But it seems like every morning I wake up there's an offer in my inbox, which I love, and that's what makes I see so fun.

Well, that's sounds sounds really good that we're in that weird part of the season though, at least for Dynasty, where it's like, Okay, you're four weeks in. Even if you're one in three and you're looking I have a great roster. I mean you maybe you want to shake some things up, but you're kind of in that zone of you're not You don't know one hundred percent if you're in or if you're out. So it feels like, well, I don't want to make a trade right now, just a case I'm out later and then I've sold some future assets and I made a mistake doing that because no, I'm actually now I'm playing for next year. Because we get three weeks later, I get three more losses. So I think it's it's just a tricky time of year, But we want to get people's brains thinking about different ways of trading. We're each bringing forth two potential trade candidates or target potential targets one and it's from a a perspective of being a contender or someone who's looking at the future, and also as with all trades, finding your the target of a player is not always the first way to go about it. You want to find the team that you're you're you can compatible, yeah, you're compatible with and help make each other better. Or sometimes you just go with Jesus, go flex that credit card and you buy a player with with a bunch of future assets. But these are just these are some guys that we think could help your team right now or maybe in the future. Well, I like the fact that we're breaking it up into the categories of the rebuild focus, the future focused team, and the contender team, because strategies are obviously tremendously different. I I in our main dynasty league, I am in the contender category. And so the way that I've approached trades and I've I've just said a blaze all of my future assets. I mean, this team, how what year are we in in our dynasty around there? Yeah, I've been a buyer, yeah for nine years.

Yeah, because you keep finding dynasty players like in your cushions, Like you're like, these are guys.

Who are Darryl Patterson a couple of years ago.

These guys are their dynasty value is dead over the out of Raheem Mostard and then and then you just you reach down to the cush You're like, oh a quarter.

It's like, oh, I have a guy that.

Can play this week.

So it definitely feels like that You've gotten pretty uh fortunate with with a few of those players who have been able to sustain your run without it. Because when you take everything out on credit, eventually the collector comes.

That's what they tell me they will. I'm still on that zero percent interest portion of the credit card. I mean three years from now, oh no, no, the minimum of them on payments. Yeah, are going to be a lot of draft picks. But now Dynasties. Trades in Dynasty are so fun because there are no bigger bets to be made, right like the permanence of those trades. You know, we've had now so many big deals in our main Dynasty league that you know when they went through, you know, you have that perception that somebody blew the other person out of the water, and it's been completely proven the opposite over time, and so you're making big bets that you don't get to undo. And I think it's a tremendous amount of fun. And you know, I think Fantasy football in some ways exists as this tool to allow people to brag about things that they really shouldn't be able to brag about. Yeah, to be super proud of the maneuvers, and Dynasty affords you that more than anything, because if you believe in a player and you make the bet and you go pursue them and then you pick them up, Betsy, you can brag for the rest of your life.

And I plan to do that with all my league mates. It's funny we all kind of all have you know in my leagust you all have that one guy that you're like, man, you got him in the third round of a rookie draft or a second round of a rookie draft. For me, that guy is I'm on arl Saint Brown. So I'm gonna keep let my league mates know about that one for a while. But yeah, I love it you call your shot. And what's funny is like, you know, we've talked on the show about Dynasty trade calculators and how they're maybe a good like starting point, but I mean, in a year, everything looks different, right, you don't really know who won or lost the deal. So the most important thing I think when you're talking trades. Does it help your team, does it help the person you're trading with or not? And if it does, it's a good trade.

Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. And it's funny you say, like you found the diamond in the rough with a monra in a later round. I wonder how hard it would be to pry him from your hands in a diamso over my dead body, see, because you have the investment. So it's like it's like they came up in your farm system. Ye are homegrown and they're yours, and it's like if someone comes after that player, fat chance, man, exactly, man. All right, quick question of the day as we get started this one. This one is worth some good discussion here. What NFL offense has surprised you the most through the first month of the fantasy season? Betsy? Why don't I let you go first?

Yeah?

Man.

Entering you know, the year, I think a lot of people were pretty excited about what Damian Pierce could be and everyone just kind of threw the passing game from Houston to the side and said, well, we liked you know, Cideo Shower for Dynasty, Let's just see what he can be. But Man, Damian Pierce's value has sunk like a ship, and the passing game is awesome. So this Texans offense, specifically the passing attack, I think really is a nice surprise. I mean, offensively, the thirteenth in yards are play stroudest thirteenth in the NFL among all quarterbacks and EPA per play. Dude is on pace for over five thousand yards and twenty five touchdowns, currently the second most passing yards by rookie in their first four NFL games, behind only Andrew Luck. So the dude's balling. I know Mike and Kyle were big on CD Stroud in the pre drought process. He looks awesome, and it's crazy that they are just showing so much confidence in their rookie that they're choosing to pass, even behind an offensive line that has been for most of the season this far trotting out four out of five backups. So I think Ceday Shroud is legit. I like Tank Dell, He's flashed a bunch Nico Collins. It has been a fun breakout as well. So, man, it's crazy, Like, you know, we thought Damian Pierce was the guy, and I still think he's talented, but these wide receivers. His passing game is so fun.

Yeah, it was wild to see. I think what was it like thirty to three or something like that. It was an absolute blowout.

And Strouder was.

I mean, look, Pierce had a better game than he's had given the format, but it was still Stroud like. The offense was still running through c J.

Stroud. And as much as.

I loved Stroud like as he was, I'm like, this is my number one quarterback this year, my historic going off of you know, just what rookies have done. My under on his season long passing yardage is uh, not looking good.

It's not looking great.

We're gonna lose that one.

Yeah, but the Brice Young one is on track to hit.

But c J.

Stroud just coming in here like superman.

Well, it's just, you know, a testament to his capab his ability, his leadership, the trust he's established with the coaching staff that lets him throw the ball like this. I mean, you could insulate a player with no offensive line and give them no opportunities. We're sitting here coming fresh off of a Daniel Jones performance where he was sacked ten times. Yeah, where the team was sacked eleven times, and it's like, you're gonna make every excuse in the book for Daniel Jones because the offensive line wasn't performing, and yet Stroud is not forcing us to make those uses for him, the same ones we're making for Damian Pierce, the same ones. And I think it's going to prove to the benefit of Damian Pierce in the long run the more that he shows that. You know, I'm sure that the strategy of opposing defenses coming into this season was to force CJ. Stroud to beat you. Don't let Damian Pierce and the way that they were going to play this offense be the catalyst for a victory for Houston. Let the rookie beat you. And now it's whoops, Like now he changed he can. So you saw you saw more effectiveness from from Damian Pierce last week, and I'm with you. When we were opening the show, Doc Betsy, it was like I went to type Houston in. It was like the first team that came to mind. I got, I'll go ahead and go right into the Daniel Jones side. I mean, yes, you know it says which offense surprised you the most? This is to the bad side. But the Giants are a train wreck thirty first in yards per play twenty eight and success rate thirty second and EPA per play thirty second in points per game. You've got running backs leading the team and receiving, You've got quarterbacks leading the team in rushing, and it's hard to watch and say, I know Saquan's not there, but you kind of have a plethora of B C level receivers that you can't get the ball to down the field. Your offense has not utilized Darren Waller in any coherent way. Just the like, is this an indictment on Brian Dable and what he's put together for this roster? Or is this injuries or what are you attributing this to.

I'll jump in.

I think, yeah, it's it's a combination of factors.

I think.

I mean, they dropped the stat on the on the broadcast last on Monday night. I can't remember what they said, but they used so many picks on offensive linemen over the last few years and they just haven't hit.

Now.

I know, left tackle Andrew Thomas was out this past week. He's been dealing with injury, but still they haven't been able to sliwify the offensive line, and I mean that's matters so much in the NFL, especially when you have a guy like Daniel Jones who can't overcome you know, a bad situation by himself the way a Mahomes can obviously, So yeah, it's that. And then like they kind of just you know, at wide receiver this this offseason, they signed a lot of dudes, but they didn't sign like any actual dudes, you know what I mean, Like they kind of just pieced it together with like Paris Campbell and Isaiah Hodgens and those guys are you know, fine wide receiver three fours on NFL teams, but they don't have a guy in the receiver room now. Darren Waller was supposed to be the guy that is knock on. Well, I don't know why they're not using him. It's just it's baffling. There's no end in sight. And you know, they made the playoffs last year, which was a fun story, but they definitely overperformed and now they're kind of paying the price with their schedule. You know, they were rewarded with more difficult schedule moving forward here because you make the playoffs. So yeah, it's tough. I mean, their games are borderline unwatchable. They feel like the Broncos of last year, where the NFL is just force feeding US Giants games in primetime. We only have this week off, but next Sunday night we hit the best Giants just.

One in ten, one and eleven and primetime games.

Something ridiculous. Yeah, it's it's been rough and.

They paid They paid him big money. And when you look at it from the perspective of long term, he's the guy right now in New York, and so I don't know when we're going to be talking about dynasty value at the wide receiver position in New York seems like it might be years away. The last time they spent on a guy they got Kenny Galladay.

Wolf, so maybe they.

Thought they could, you know, And now it feels like you wish you could melt about three of them together into one alpha and you can't do it. So, uh, definitely surprising. What do you What do you think about the Waller? I was just trying to in a dynasty format.

Oh, the I.

Think part of the problem here for Waller is like, if I'm looking at it right, we have thirty one percent of his targets from the slot and It's like Daniel Jones only throws to his slot wide receivers. I mean the Wandale Robbins in the last two weeks getting targets, Paris Campbell getting targets when he's on the field. Move be more creative, you know, like get Waller involved there because he is I think that he is still good enough to be that type of a target where you just you force feed him seven plus a game and let the player make it happen. I mean you traded for him, you traded a third round pick for him. He's bigger, an athletic, more athletic than linebackers.

Either.

Someone has to figure out a way to get him going, and it's looking at the tendencies I think of your quarterback and moving people around.

Well, let me ask you this, Betsy, before we move on to Mike's selection. In a dynasty league, we're gonna be talking about trade four targets for contenders. Does Darren Waller fit that bill? Are there people out there that are kind of going to throw the talent on this season? Maybe the Waller manager is the Muskrave Laporta Ferguson. You know, alternate is starting to get the starting opportunity for those rosters. Do you think that when Saquan comes back and the offensive line gets solidified a little bit, there are brighter days for Waller. Are you too scared away by maybe the injury he's dealing with?

Yeah, I think, I mean, that's part of it for sure. You know, with the hamstring issue, that's kind of going to be a season long thing that he'll continue to play through but sort of manage in the background. But you know, the numbers on Waller entering the season kind of warned us maybe that the end is coming sooner than we think. I mean, his yards run drop five years in a row, didn't force a single mistackle last season now switching teams with a mobile quarterback, So maybe we got over our skis on like the camp hype, you know with the New York Giants, sure with Waller, so there was some warning signs. So and then you think about, you know, historical data with like the redraft ADP landscape where these kind of like second tier, third tier tight ends that go in this like fifth to eighth round range. The hit raiate on those has been so bad and that's kind of where he landed, Like the tight end dead zone. Right, it's like either Kelsey Andrews when he's healthy or just punted off right, And that kind of feels like we're at and now we've got some young exciting names coming up of like you said, Musgrave, Laporta, Kincaid, like all those guys just have so much more obviously youth. But I think upside too compared to Darren Waller moving forward. So even with the performance, I don't think I'm trying to buy low personally, even if I'm a contender.

All Right, Mike, what NFL offense is surprise you the most through the first month.

It's the one that I think has surprised the the just the world and NFL watchers as a whole. The Cincinnati Bengals, it was. It is not a regression. It is a absolute dumpster fire thirty first and scoring ahead of only the Giants, and which if we had placed our bets that the Bengals will be ahead of the Giants in scoring, I mean we would have all taken.

That bet, so they're still there.

But if you a bet behind the Jets and Zach Wilson.

But just dead lasting yards per play, fantasy is demoralizing people and these are all in redraft, and I mean in dynasy just the way that they're valued high draft. These are high, high value players. Joe Burrow, Betsy, did you put the.

Is he really the quarterback thirty one? He is?

Yeah, he's had he's had Fantasy finishes of like thirty one, twenty eight, twenty nine the.

Quarterback that there's thirty two.

I know there's thirty two starters.

That's where we're at.

Good Lord.

And then I mean Joe Mixon is barely a top twenty running back. Both Jamar Chase and t Higgins are outside of the top twenty five it and they they are barroken the This was the way this past week was Tennessee. That's the game. That's where you get right. Is like you've you've had some struggle, struggles. You need a couple of free throws to get your your your confidence, your confidence, get everything back. And it was I mean, when you miss your free throws, like what did? You could barely look at yourself in the mirror.

This wasn't missing the free throw, Mike. This was throwing the ball over the backboard too. It was it was like, oh if I had not taken that free throw. I would think better of myself to begin with it. I mean, yes, yes, yeah, it was an abysmal performance. So those numbers are terrible. I mean, if you drafted Jamar Ches one on one, he's the wide receiver twenty seven. I mean, we all know Chase is gonna be fine. Yeah, no, long term, yes, but in the short term he's just a pain station and he's mad. Do you see his comments? Oh yeah, I'm always open, I'm always something open.

Yeah, And I mean it's it's not all just like for Daniel Jones, it's it's not all Daniel Jones. The Bengals offensive line, like the memes are back. I don't know if you guys have seen the the the Sewel drawing of It's like Joe Burrow and Sewell passing to anyone and it works. Joe Burrow with random tackle throwing to Jamar Chase, it's him getting knocked over. And that's currently where they are and they are just they are broken, man, They're so broken.

Yeah, and it's been it's been awful and it makes you you know, do they miss a tight end in this offense right now that's been able to I mean, it's a small thing, but we saw you know, Hayden Hurst to get it done. So fantasy wise, though, is this just a blip on the long term radar? Betsy Like, is this is this a shock but should be mostly ignored for the sake of decision making in Dynasty? Yeah? I think so.

For Dynasty, these guys are all I mean, Joe Burrow is a top ten guy, Jamar Chase, you could argue top two, top three, whatever or do you want to put those guys in? And then Higgins is still solid as well, and he's got the contract thing coming up that makes the situation a little uncertain, but still super talented and has proven that. So I think it is a blip on the radar. The struggles though, you know, really I think come down a lot, and it's not the only thing. But Joe Burrow's calf issue, like it just reminds you how much that mobility matters to this offense. He was actually running quite a bit last year, and not Lamar Jackson type stuff obviously, but you know, picking up twenty five thirty yards a game here and there, running some design runs with him, stuff like that that is just gone and he's just setting duck back there, that's probably not going away for another month maybe, So you're kind of just stuck. And like the tough part is whether it's three draft or dynasty, Like you drafted these guys to play them, and you probably don't have better options, so you're kind of just stuck.

Yeah, it's it's been a weird and the schedule's bad the rest of this season. Like, I do think the way the division shakes out with you know, Cleveland and Baltimore, I worry this is gonna end up a lost season for them. They could turn it around quickly. I mean, it was a tough start to last year, but it's been tough to watch. Man. We want our old fashioned, roaring Cincinnati Bengals.

I would like some points as one who is for my dynasty team is heavily invested in the Bengals.

Yeah yeah, So all right, let's take a quick break and be back with some trade talk. All right, we are talking trade targets on today's Dynasty Fantasy Footballers podcast. And what are some of the things you look for in terms of a good trade target somebody that you want to attach to your roster. Are you talking about the actual target of the player I'm I'm talking about, Like, what are some of the things you're thinking about when you're going out to pursue or going out to target somebody for your roster. I mean generally speaking, I'm looking if I want a wide receiver, I'm either moving you know, two lesser players for them, or.

Maybe a running back for that.

But which is very tough because if you play Dynasty, running backs are like if you have two starting running backs on your Dynasty squad, you're doing pretty well. It's it's difficult to manage to have two, let alone three. But one of the things that I'm thinking about, like, so I'll start with my contender pick here, I'm trying to get with a name that is I think still has some time left. He's still producing at a high level, but because he's thirty one, he's not looked at the same way as like go get you know, go get Ze Flowers or or something like that of a new a new hotness player who is young and preduce even though it's Zay Flowers versus who I'm gonna talk about is Tyler Lockett, because I can't stop talking about Tyler Lockett, Like people are going it's going to be much easier to trade for Lockett right now than it is to trade for Zay Flowers because people are at he's thirty one, Jackson Smith and Jigg was on the team even though he's not currently being used. That's kind of like this boogieman in the background of JSN is coming to take Tyler Lockett's job, even though Lockett is technically under contract for three more season. But he leads Seattle in target share, red zone targets, routes. Run the guy just he gets it done. He I think he had the most yards this past week. Metcalf had the really nice touchdown reception, but Lockett We've already had a two touchdown game this year. He is he's still a really really good player. And because he's because he's old, it's just so much easier to go and get these players to boost your team because they're not thought of as the regard for them is, well, they're you know, the career is on the down trend. I want guys who are the career they're they're headed up. It's okay to have a player who's headed on the down side of their career.

They're still producing.

If you believe in two years or the Tyler Lockett, which I like to think of, you know, when I'm trading for a Dynasty contender type of player, I like to think of it in that two years of production window. It could be a really good time. I mean the peripheral metrics that you're talking about with Lockett. Yes, he you know, he's been performing, He's been out there a ton, but he's also been single digits three or four games this year. JSN not heavily involved, but he is the He's the narrative you can lean into when trying to acquire Tyler Lockett. And they're going into the bye week, so I mean you you have an opportunity to take at least a glance in that direction if you believe. I don't. I don't know how to feel about Lockett long term, but I like me an old guy in in Dynasty. So bets. What do you think about mister Lockett?

Yeah, I'm biased, I'll be honest. I've love Lockett for the last couple of seasons because he's an auto pick right to outperforms ADP always a value, always undervalued in any form of fantasy you play, And it kind of feels like that again this year. Now, like you said, it hasn't been great, and we kind of have that week one just complete dud that happened against the Rams, So sure that whole week can kind of just throw to the side. But you know, since then, he's been fine. It hasn't been great. Has has had that one week that he's been great. But the underlying numbers is really what it's about. As Mike pointed out, the Jack Smith and Jigbit thing is very confusing. They took him to just have this little role. Now, historically after the bye, we see those guys tend to have a better role. So maybe that happens. But Tyler Lockett's not leaving the field right. He's out there in two wide receiver sets. He obviously is out there in three wide receiver sets. And they've actually skewed more pass heavy in the last couple of seasons with Gino, which is just crazy to even fathom they would let us go, let you know, just uh, you know, take over the offense, but that's what they've done. So I like it as a contender, Like especially concerning the price, I mean, you could probably get him if someone's looking to you know, they start at one to three and they're trying to move on from him. If you're trying to get him a second round rookie pick probably gets a bet. It does, which if your contender is worth it.

To me, I haven't even older wide receiver which I would trade a second for. Yeah, I was gonna ask you whether you would trade a second for him if you were if you needed him this year. I'm bringing up at In Thielen because he is you know, he is a dirty, nasty, highly productive receiver. I mean, we we've talked about c J. Stroud's performance earlier in the show with the Houston offense surprising.

Bryce Young looks bad like oh like actively, he looks out matched, he looks he.

Looks small, he looks like he is, uh, you know, having a hard time going through progressions and he is lean on Adam feeling and you know it's likely that he's going to make some adjustments and become a better passed over the course of the year. We saw what Thelon did with Andy Dalton and Adam Thlen. Unless the team you're trying to acquire him from is dependent upon him and a contender, I mean, what you should be able to trade anything for him, and this should look like an opportunity for somebody else with Adam deeling to cash in on a player they never thought they'd be able to trade for value. Ever.

Again, yeah, I feel like if you have feeling and you're not a contender, you're just like, yeah, that's that's everyone's going to be tricked because he's putting up value. So the question then, I guess if Andy's bringing him up, then saying, Adam Thielen, you you believe that he can extend this and continue to have some success, which he's been. He's been great wide receiver ten currently with a wide receiver four finish in Week three looking at but he he's yes, he's not a grandfather.

It's a bit.

He's thirty three, but that's old for an NFL wide receiver. And we have seen these guys slow down as the season goes on, the wear and the tear of on your body, and then you know, after the bye week here because after the bye week, Houston still somehow not a great matchup for wide receivers. The Colts Chicago that's great, but then Dallas it's it's kind of a it's a hot and cold situation. Here, so Andy, you're just you're confident though that Adam Feeling is gonna continue what he's doing.

They made a strangely profound financial commitment to an older player and Adam Feeling his skill set and what he's doing for this offense is being a consistently open underneath go to receiver. I'll a later career. Larry Fitzgerald was for the Arizona Cardinals. And look, sometimes you can put these players on your roster. And I mentioned cor from a couple of years ago and Raheem Moster from a couple of years ago, and you you can be surprised at the value they provide your team, the depth they provide your team for multiple years in there. Look, you're not going to ever trade him for anything. Once you get him, he's going to expire on your team. He's going to go to the grave. But that's exactly why you can get him for nothing. I mean, I you said you would not trade a second round draft pick for him?

Correct?

If you now bets are you in that same camp? If you're a contender, I feel like you double flex.

I was gonna say full PPR double flex you need it. I guess I would prefer to trade a third.

The highest endorsement for Adam Field in a dynasty league ever, I guess yeah.

But the thing is, though, is even if you do have some concerns about as the season goes on, you know, Jonathan Mingo is a guy people were kind of excited about. He's done anything. He's kind of a kind of a you know prospect that some people were in we're out today, have the cleanest profile.

Whatever.

He could emerge, brace young, could get better targets and go different places. Whatever that can happen. But even if you're trading for Adam Feeling, like, if you're a contender, you're probably trading for him as like your wide receiver five maybe six on a dynasty roster, and if things fall apart, you can plug him in on bye weeks, injuries, stuff like that. So even if you don't think this is the real thing that's going to happen all year, I still think there's some value.

Let me give you a different perspective with trading for Adam Feeling. Have him thrown in the back of a deal just a little bit, think, yeah, just have him be the add on piece that nobody cares to give up. That's all I'm saying. You underestimate sometimes, or at least players underestimate the depth necessary to win in Dynasty on a regular basis, to sustain injuries bye weeks. If you're starting, you know, multiple flex positions, your full PPR. At some point in time, you are grasping for targets, and here's this old man who just has bags of targets he's bringing around with him. So that's what I would do. I would have him tossed into a deal and then you might have a little bit of a surprise value there for you, and I would give up the second if I was looking for. If I'm a contender, that's a late second, and that's going to be a fifty to fifty shot on that player you're picking up. So I'd be willing to do it now, Betsy, give me your contender target. Yeah.

The running back landscape is horrible. If you have CMC, you feel great. It's hard to find my running backs that you feel great about starting on a weekly basis, especially in Dynasty. So one of those guys that I love for his role is David Montgomery, who you know is twenty six years old. He signed that three year contract eighteen million dollars in the offseason. We think, Okay, he's going to be the guy, and then they draft Jamiir Gibbs told the raw and we're like, oh, no, Montgomery's role and see, actually they're Jamal Williams.

What is he going to be?

And through three games that he's been active out of the four, they've kind of told us, you know, he has his role and Jamier Gibbs has his role. Which I think there's a chance as the year goes on that Gibbs could continue to, you know, slowly see more work. But we did that all last year right with DeAndre Swift, and it just never happened. Now, I'm not making the comparison between those two guys, but this coaching staff has shown us they kind of prefer to have guys have their own roles, and they just kind of worked that way. Dave Montgomery has seen twenty one, seventeen and thirty four total opportunities in his three games he started in the NFL and carries inside the ten yard line yard head despite missing a game. This is the Jamal Williams roll last year. But he's better than Jamal Williams, and so if someone is looking to get out from David Montgomery, you know, because the running back landscape is so tough. You know, we lost Dobbins, we lost Chubb. Uh, there's time shares everywhere. David Montgomery's role is say and you know, you guys may have heard of this website. It's called FATS footballersh dot com. In our tools that we have on there, looked up the remaining strength of schedule, you know, for running backs using our schedule justin metrics. And look, we're only four weeks in, so this can be a little bit tricky to read into you for the rest of the season. But Detroit is number one on the list. They've got matchups against Carolina this week, Las Vegas, Chicago twice, Denver, Green Bay, who Dave Montgomery just destroyed. These guys are gonna be favored in a ton of games, and that means it's Dave Montgomery time.

Let me, let me put it to the test, and you're a contender. You're getting underwhelming results from ramondre Stevenson. You're going for a title. I see your face, Brett Betsy. That face was a grimace, and that's the face of a man facing the future. Potential of a player or the present value of a player. Are you making that trade?

Straight up?

Straight up?

I don't think I would Mike.

A lot of nice things to say about Montgomery until we got until we got.

Why can't I just give up a late first for him?

How about that?

Well you could. You could give up a late first for him.

And I get to hold Hermandre.

Yeah, you can hold Remandre perfectly. Yeah, until the person goes you know what, I don't want you first. I want Remandre.

Yeah.

Then I'm in a tough, tough position.

Then you're in a tough spot.

It's it's hard because Remondre.

How old is Remondre?

I mean he's he's young. He's only in his third season. I believe I'll lookut up Ramondre.

Stephenson is twenty five years Yes, because it's not a huge difference between him and Montgomery. That's actually it's a huge difference between him and Montgomery.

Is what age wise?

Oh? I'm sorry, no, no, no, not product. I thought human production. No, And I was gonna ask what NFL you are watching?

No, I'm I was shaking my head during the argument because I think Montgomery's a top twelve running back now like rest of season.

So David Montgomery is twenty six years old, they're there's five months apart.

Dude, that's crazy. I honestly have no idea.

And because it feels he feels old. In remonder it felt like this was the beginning of it.

Yeah, it's supposed to be and this is remonder in remonderate, we'll have another off season of halving the matrix Dodge.

Who turns down that deal. I don't think anybody turns out. I think you could get that through and.

I think that's I think it's the right move. And if you're if you're playing d Wayne right now, I mean it's it's really hard because we laid out. Montgomery has a real good schedule coming up, so does Remandre. Like I think it's after this week things really open up for for fantasy running backs on Patriots versus whoever they're playing. Damian Pierce, Damian Pierce or Montgomery. Yes, I'll take Monk.

Yeah, I'll take.

Three years old.

Yeah, but he's twenty three and he's still he still doesn't feel safe like Montgomery is on the second contract. Pierce still feels like they might go into the next year's draft and take a Day two running.

Back the love him, Yeah, coach loves Damian Pierce.

Yeah, you you love players, and then you fall over the player.

Draft just bringing it up because Pierce Campbell loves.

So what do you do what he does?

What do you do with Jamir Gibbs? I mean, in the grand scheme of the conversation, just too just because everybody wants to talk about him every minute of every day. Montgomery's twenty six years old. If he has a dominant season, if he's a top ten fantasy running back this year, why wouldn't we see more of the same next year? Why wouldn't we see a repeat of you know Ingram Kamara or type of situation for multiple years?

What do you do with Jamir Gibbs?

I I think right now, if if this is the feeling on Gibbs, I'm poking around to see what it takes to get him, even understanding the range of outcomes, you know, if I'm a non contender, if I'm just rebuilding, like he's the perfect rebuilt guy, right, because you can you can wait through all this stuff this year with Dave Montgomery and be frustrated and not have to worry about it. But knowing the draft capital, the production, the receiving profile, I mean, everything we've all talked about all off season, it's still there. And so I think if that's if that's the feeling, if there is a small window here to go out and get him, I think I'm still doing it.

Okay, all right, So we are looking now towards the rebuilding the future focused squads. Mike, you want to kick it off.

Sure, I think I like bringing this player up because I think it's an interesting strategy that you are inheriting some risk, definitely, But it's Mike Williams of the Los Angeles Chargers, and yes, Mike Williams who just tore his ACL That's who I am talking about right now. Look at his overall situation, you know, he's he is a bit older. He will be turning thirty next year. So we're towards the end of Mike Williams' career. The contract situation is no more guaranteed money next year. His cap number does balloon to thirty two point five million next year, but the dead caps at twelve point five, which to me looks like that feels like a wide receiver who gets a lower extension from the Chargers, like they take advantage of the fact that he's hurt right now try and give him a little bit more security for the next few years. Again, that's just that's my take. But if someone was a contender and they have Mike Williams now and they need another piece, like just someone who they can start, you might be able to get Mike Williams for very, very cheap. He was on pace for one hundred and eight receptions of fourteen hundred yards at the end of those four well three point whatever games that he played.

And.

No one's value, like his value is the lowest right now that has been in forever. Just whenever a player is hurt, the value absolutely plummets. I mean, you could maybe say the same about Nick Chubb because we got some somewhat positive news you know about his uh that it wasn't a total knee destruction. But like you could trade it's almost it's almost like flipping a house, like I'm gonna pay under for Mike Williams because I know that next offseason, should he remain on the Chargers, that's where the risk comes in. But if he's on the Chargers all offseason, reports Mike Williams ahead of schedule. Mike Williams looking great, and then you just you take that player that you traded low for, then you just trade him high, like he doesn't even play hisselfing.

So this is not performance on the field. This is this is a literal buy the stock low, sell it on its way up.

Interesting like he may never even play a game for you.

But now that I can get hind, I can get behind him never playing a game for me, because look, if I was in this situation where I had Mike Wims, I'd be terrified that I have nothing forever.

But if you're rebuilding whatever, man, you just take on this low, low level risk that it would be a massive reuter should like should all those things happen? Bets was laughing when I was saying it because he knows next off season, like this wasn't early enough. ACL tear that in June July, it's gonna be Mike Williams ahead of looking great, he.

Will be on schedule, he will be on the edge of thirty. Yes, so please, I don't want him play him for me. If I can flip him now, he's he's a pretty big dead cap pit yeah, so he'll be on this roster that well, that's what I'm saying for one more. But the numbers are strange of don't we think his well, it's his salary cap explodes, that's the thirty two and a half. If they cut him, it's a twelve point. Well, they'll do an extension to try to correct the cap number.

That's what I think. I think that's what could happen for this because it's just it. He's he's still like, he's still a good wide receiver for them, like unless so maybe maybe QJ the rest of season is totally awesome, and then probably and then they're like, well, we don't need Mike Williams. We're gonna move forward with Quintin. But if that doesn't happen, this team is gonna want to have good wide receivers and I don't know, I don't know that they can find another one for as cheap as they can get Mike Williams.

You have some thoughts their bets on where you stand on that as a target and where you think the feature of Mike Williams said it.

Yeah, I think a couple of points. The first one imagine not being ahead of schedule. Literally couldn't be me right now, he's guaranteed he'd be ready for week one. It's so funny when those reports come out, like the day after the injury. I'm like, you don't know, man, like anything can happen. But yes, that's just funny, and that is how it works. You will get those reports. So I think that's actually very sharp in regards to his situation. I could see a contract where they give him an extra year or something, you know, like you said, an extension, but they lower the number to make it team friendly. I doubt he's going to have a market if they do let him go. You know, figure that out as an almost thirty year old coming off a torny ACL, so it probably is going to work best. Best I would say for both sides to just bring him back on a better number.

So I agree.

I think that that's actually a very sharp move.

His value is.

Lower than it will be you know, in May, June, July next year. And even if you don't want him on your roster, which his profile. You know, these guys that come off the ACL tear. A lot of the research I've done is that these kind of bigger body like guys that don't separate, that need to get downfield to create plays generally struggle off the ACL in year one. The guys that do well are kind of these slot types that can mask their inefficiencies with volume.

Chris Godwin last.

Year, coripper Cup a couple of years ago, those kind of guys. So I'm not in on Mike Williams next year moving forward, but because of the fact that you can trade something less for him now then get more in six months, I think it's a very sharp my.

I like the direction you took it because I thought you were about to give me a story about his future performance. Oh no, and instead it was like I'm going to the garage sale and I'm picking something out and no one else noticed, and then I'm flipping it on eBay in a year.

And it might it might go right back to the team that you traded from. Like the contender who had Mike Williams is like, well, I need a I want a wide receiver now, who I think is going to have a ceiling And you're like, okay, fine, I'll be like, well, I.

Want a dollar twenty back now for Mike Williams. That's very funny. It is a very funny direction to take it. All right, We're gonna take a quick break and come back with a couple more trade for targets in the rebuilding category. Well, my my pick here for a rebuild future focused team is a player that I took this leap on purpose on my own dynasty team, my old feeling Mostert McCaffrey and Elder Statesman Allen and Evans. I said to myselfself, you need more youth on this roster. Who's somebody you can go and pick up on the cheap that you believe in the talent of And for me, that was Michael Wilson, wide receiver for the Arizona Cardinals. Now, the narrative for Michael Wilson and the Cardinals entering the season was worse than it is right now. You have seen a better than expected offense. They could have easily fit into the category of one of the more surprising teams in the league in terms of the way Joshua Dobbs has performed, the way James Connor and this offense has been able to move the ball on the Cowboys and the forty nine Ers. Albeit they lost last game obviously, but I still think Michael Wilson is a player where you can kind of make him a target. Twenty three years old, third round rookie, injured a bunch at Stanford, so probably would have been higher draft pick had he not been had a couple of big weeks, and that then may get in the way of you trying to pick him up for your rebuilding team. But I think before Kyler Murray comes back, you're gonna have some dips. You're gonna have some ups and downs with Michael Wilson, and he really looks like the future in Arizona. They may have a high draft capitol pick and they may go out a you know, a top twenty wide receiver in the upcoming draft, but I think Michael Wilson is going to be a huge part of their future. He has passed the eye test, and Kyler Murray's coming back to this roster at some point in time. Hollywood Brown is going to be an unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty four. You're gonna be waving goodbye to the Rondel Moors and Greg Dortch's of the world very soon. So I think Michael Wilson under contract for a long period of time, it's interesting how he's performing better than some of these higher draft capital QJ or JSN options. What are your thoughts on Michael Wilson.

Yeah, I love the value that he had in the rookie draft season where he was kind of always the guy that I defaulted to. It's like, oh, I'm in the early third round. Michael Wilson's still there. Yep, let's do it. So I actually have a lot of him, which I'm excited about. And this is kind of another good, I think reminder for people and maybe for us too, that we always get stuck. I think in like the analytical profile of a prospect of like, well he played you know, four years in school, Like it wasn't early breakout, Like you can't this guy can't do it. We have to remind ourselves of what happened. And like Andy said, the injuries were kind of part of the story here. So yeah, he's flashed early in the process. I mean it's a very small sample, but two point three yards were outrun so far this year. That's fourth best among all wide receivers. It's a rookie class. That is an unreal number. I don't know if that's going to hold up, but anything north of like one point seventy five throughout the course of the year tells you this is a talented player that can actually play. And like you said, this, you know situation right now, he's the only guy under contract after twenty twenty four, so he's part of their future. He's part of their playing I think he's pretty good. I'm really interested to get your guys takes. Do you think that they extend Marquis Brown. I know he's very tight with Kyler. Obviously they traded for him. That plus maybe adding a high draft capital guy in the first round makes me just that would complicated question the ceiling. But I think even all those things considered, he's a pretty strong bet, especially if you don't have to give up much to get him.

Yeah, as far when you said he was this was his last year of his deal, I thought, no, they traded a first round for him. Of course they had already extended him. I have to have remembered that taking place, but it did not, so it would be I mean, it's not super shocking, but it would surprise me. If they don't extend him, Hollywood's gonna get a deal.

Like so maybe they're.

Where they are as a team at the end of the year that they would rather use their salary cap other places and then just get their third round compensatory pick because Hollywood will get himself a good deal. I lean, I lean that they bring him back.

That's where I.

Lean if like on the franchise tag of nothing else.

But Wilson's performance this year could establish him as they be, they may be able to spend higher draft capitol picks elsewhere if they feel like you can get by with Hollywood Wilson Rondale for the next couple of years with the tight ends. I would just kick the tires maybe after a bad game on Michael Wilson and adding that youth to your roster if you can get him cheap. Would you trade a twenty twenty four second for Michael Wilson, Betsy, Yeah, I think I would.

Mike.

I mean, I'm open to it.

The twelve hundred yard pace over the last three weeks for him, which is you.

Know, obviously he's balling out. The thing is kind of interesting, like, if I'm a rebuild team, do I have the confidence in him over the mystery box of heading into next year, which the the again the twenty twenty four, people are saying, we have a very strong wide receiver class coming up, and when those happen, that's you don't want to be without picks.

All right, Betsy, I'm I'm really excited to listen to you talk about your trade target because it's been a rough start to the season.

Yes, it has. It has not been good. It has actually been quite terrible for Johon Dotson this season. He's still twenty three years old. He entering you know this this past year. He's entering a second season, so he's still very young. He has the first round draft capital sixteenth overall pick a couple of years ago. But forty or less receiving yards in every game this season's point seven to one yards throughout run. I mean, he's just out there doing cardio. It's it's really been bad. Now we have to remember before we kind of take that in of just why were we so excited about this guy entering this season, And it's because of what he did as a rookie. Right, thirty five catches, over five hundred yards, seven touchdowns. That's just in twelve games. If you put that on a seventeen game piece, fifty catchers over seven hundred yards and ten touchdowns. That's awesome for a rookie season. And specifically when he really started to emerge down the stretch Week thirteen on last year, twenty four percent target share, twenty percent targets were outrun. The numbers were there. I mean, he was good, he's talented, he passed the eye test, all those things, and then of course now we're like, oh, it's going to be better this year. Sam Howe's going to open up the I mean, Sam How's fun right for fantasy, but like he's taken more sacks than justin fields, I don't think he's a long term starter there. So you have a lot of risk this year with Johan Dotson and the Commanders as a whole. But if you're rebuilding, you can afford to take on that risk. And I love the profile Johan Dotson coming into this year. He was a popular breakout pick for a lot of people for obvious reasons. And you know it's only been four weeks. Let's not forget that. So while the value is low on a young player, I want to go out and see what it.

Takes to get him.

Yeah, I guess that was gonna be. My follow up question is where your confidence level is on some of these maybe comparable prospect Like I'm assuming you'd rather have Drake London long term than than John Dotson, right, Yes, I'm trying to what about uh, Josh Downs in Indianapolis. I'm assuming you'll take Dotson over Downs.

Yeah, I take Dotson there, Marvin Mims in Denver, Aleen Dotson.

Heleen Dotson, Wandale obviously Dotson.

Can that wait? Can I do that deal?

You want to trade Wandale?

Yeah?

Do you have Dotson to get Donson? I've got Wandale.

Do we just have a trade?

Go down live on the show. Andy, you have to say yes.

Now, I'm sorry, I wish I wish I had Dotson.

I'm going to do Yeah.

It's been a rough start, but I think we know the potential. You'd really like to see that breakout game show itself at some point soon so that you can encourage yourself if you are a John Dottson Dynasty manager and not be down in the dumps. I mean, do you think Sam How's going to be the quarterback a year from now? Are we gonna do the same offseason dance man?

They need to get a just get someone right in there, like someone has said.

A name of their starter for like five years.

Brissette might be the answer for these fantasy guys that we that we need. He supported Amari Cooper last year, So yeah, I don't think Sam Howe's a long term answer. You just can't take Sacks the way that he's doing right now. And I mean it's only been four games, but I don't think he's the long term answer.

I think if the year ends poorly for Washington, it's gonna be a full sweep.

Like I think Rivera will be Rivera will be gone.

I think he'll be relieved of his duties.

Yeah, he's to his credit, he's stuck with Sam Hall and he had hell hot a much better performance against Philadelphia, something that you know Arthur Smith is hoping happens with Desmond Ridder next week.

It will not.

Otherwise he's going to answer a lot more questions. But yeah, I was trying to look at some of these other younger wide receivers. One other name I want to throw out there. What's your take, Betsy, from what you've seen so far of Jaden Reed and green Bay?

Oh? I love him.

I really like him, and he was a really good player.

Yeah, he was a guy.

Who kind of like the draft capital made you scratch your you know, scratch your heavy You're like, huh, it's fiftieth overall pick, Like no one saw that coming. And then he steps right second rounder in the NFL draft. Yeah, and you know, kind of had a spotty production profile coming out, so it was like, like, it doesn't really match up. But everything I've seen, you know, in the first month of the season has been awesome.

He has a.

Solidified role obviously as like the slot guy, but it's a young team. They're going to give him time to develop with Christian Watson and Jordan Love and all those guys. Like, I think he's he's for real, So I like him for what he is. I think the ceiling may be a little capped, but I like him a lot for fantasy.

Yeah, that's that's good to hear. I mean, it's funny because yes, he's got that role figured out. But this is a player that is sitting at almost seventeen yards per catch through four weeks and they're taking shots with him and he's and he's producing. So I don't know how things shake out, Like I don't know if Romeo Dobbs is a long term answer in Green Bay. I mean, I think this year they've shown he's a go to type of player. But I think Jayden Reid is going to surprise some people. And I you know, once you have Watson re established, Reid could become easily acquireable. I think in a Dynasty format potentially, would you rather have Michael Wilson or Jayden Reid long term? I think, Okay, go oh what about you?

Andy? Only Aileen Wilson?

Ah?

Do I that?

Man?

That's that's tough. It's I think it's really I think they're very similar. I think both of them are players that that I think have shown professional level ability early you know where where you see them out there in their opportunities. Wilson has benefited from obviously Hopkins getting shipped out and read from the injuries. Both players have delivered on what they have been able to deliver on, and you know, we're not going to be blessed with a seventeen game sample yet, so I guess I kind of lean Wilson for the opportunities that I think will be there. That's what I'm man of, Like, you know, he's going to get more snaps every week.

The path to being the wide receiver one, it's it's far more clear for Wilson. They like because Dobbs is in year two, wats Watson's in. Dobson Dobbs is year two.

As well, they're both the year two.

Yeah, yeah, because so I mean that this is the wide receiver corps. And maybe maybe Jaden Reed is that good that he overtakes all. Yeah, I mean he can maybe overtake both. Like it's possible that Watson is just a really athletic player who can hit big plays but is not he doesn't ever become a true target hog. And Wilson like, if everything, you know, if Kyler Murray stays, that's the Kyler is just Kyler's good. And it's really hard to remember that it's been because it feels like it's been about a decade since we've seen Kyler Murray be good.

On a football field. But he was. It was just last year.

I mean, the Kyler was making real, real fantasy relevant wide receivers, Like Hopkins was dominating with Kyler Murray last year. And I know he's one year older, but Hopkins, like they're not getting anything out of him in Tennessee. Meanwhile, Kyler Murray was made him look like a superstar.

Kyler. I watched the somebody who posted the Kyler Murray highlight video over the last couple of years, and it's just been so long since we got to watch him play since the injury. This beginning of the season, he was encouraging. It was one of those things where we're like, Okay, this is a pretty special athlete out there if they stick with him. You know that everyone's made the jokes early about Caleb Williams and then getting the number one pick right now does not look like Houston or Arizona. We're going to be anywhere near the number one pick based on how they've been playing.

Yeah, So I love that this just randomly segued into a trade for Kyler Murray segment. I think that's what happened, isn't it. That's where really ended.

Yeah? Are you in on that?

Oh and super Flex Yeah? I mean even single quarterback. Yeah, Superflex I was making some deals this offseason to go get him when his value was lowest that everyone thought, oh, they're going to move on from him, Like you said, definitely, Caleb Williams there, dude, Joshua Dobbs is frisky and he's keeping Cardinals in games. So yeah, will they be a top ten pick?

Probably?

But are they going to be number one?

Dude?

The way the Bears look and the Panthers line, yeah, I don't think so. So yeah, I think Kyler's the guy.

Yeah, and everything that they've done with their actions, you know, we're out here in Arizona. Like the support they've shown Kyler all off season, Kyler being on the sideline every single week. He seems to be you know, I've listened to a lot of the local beat reporters here, like he seems to be making a concerted effort to change his image as a leader. And as you know, the kinds of things that have separated him during the Cliff Kingsbury era and made it seem like the Cardinals would be down on him, it seems like things have changed structurally, and like Manti Austin Fortt, the general manager, they're head coach, like, there seems to be a lot of belief around him, and I think the rest is truly smoke. I think I don't think this team went into the season tanking, and I don't think this seem went into this season wanting to change a quarterback. So take that for what you will dynasty lovers out there, but I think we're in on buying mister Kyler Murray on the cheap. Yes, sir, that is gonna do it. We got through it, guys, We did it.

Go team.

Thanks everyone for joining us. It's been a fun one and I enjoy the football this week. We'll catch you next week. Goodbye.

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