Dynasty Trade Targets + Developing a TE Strategy - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Published Jan 24, 2024, 10:00 AM

Players to trade for and trade away in dynasty leagues! On today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast, Borg, Betz, and Mike give their favorite trade targets. Plus, a review of last year’s TE rookies, and tips on how to approach the TE position in dynasty leagues! Deebo Samuel, Kendre Miller, Zay Flowers, and many more players discussed! Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for January 24th, 2024.

 

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty podcast with Borg, Bets and a Baller.

Welcome back.

It's Wednesday, January twenty fourth on the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty podcasts. I'm your host Copper Gonna and I'm Jordan by Matthew Betts and Mike Right.

Good morning everybody.

I feel like we got a little radio voice going in here. What like if I you know, I had a radio show in college and I changed my host.

Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on full stop? What just throw that in there? You did local college radio? Oh?

Man, it was a vibe. It was my friend and I shout out to my friend Dustin.

Borg in the morning. We I feel like.

We had like a really crappy time slot, like for for for college radio of course, where it was like I don't know, two in the afternoon or something. Nobody's what did you talk about? We talked about sports?

Oh, sports, okay.

And uh we uh we came up with our own ad reads because we didn't have any and and sometimes.

What a bunch of jokesters.

We would just make up restaurants and stuff. But man, I talked football, I talked uh we did college recruiting for a while too, like college football recruiting.

So like you, you would try to convince people to come to the college.

No, no, we didn't have a team.

Hey, hey, Barry, won't you let's you come down to be in our team.

Borg in the morning. Yeah, it would have a little little ring to it.

I don't want to give your alma mater a shot out he where'd you go to school?

Georgia College in Georgia College in Millageville, Millageville, Georgia, so great college powerhouse. Yep, undefeated, still undefeated, never lost. I feel like Mike, you could do the like night DJ thing, like nighttime yeah, alt rock thing.

Yeah, I could have done that, just changing actual vinyl records. That's good time.

BET's you know you're more just like a podcasting guy. You want a radio guy back in the day.

Well, this is a source subject. In high school, I actually applied to be on the sports section of the it's like the morning announcements basically like not really radio morning announcements, And it was like a five minute segment. Didn't even get a second interview.

So do you send them these podcasts and say I have who's laughing now? Who's even wildly popular. I have multiple wildly popular podcasts. Eat It element entry School.

No, no high school, high school, but still not great.

Whatever bets is.

Elementary school is just catching strays right now. Oh sorry, we are glad you're with us. It may be off season for a lot of fans, football for Dynasty, it doesn't stop. So on this episode, we're going to talk about some trade targets, which I don't know if you guys feel this way. Whenever I recommend trade targets, you know, people ask on our discord or on Twitter, I'm always like there's an element of risk because there's so much we don't know that's going to change over the next three months, not just an NFL draft with uh, you know, free agency is just there's so many different things, including just who are who's calling the plays? I mean half of these teams we don't even know who the coaches are. So we'll talk about some of those risks and some players that I think have upside trade targets. We will actually review some of the rookie tight ends. We've talked about, rookie quarterbacks, rookie running back last week, what a discussion on the rookie wide receivers with Jason. I mean, we went so many different places, and uh yeah, dynastylovers dot com. Mike, do you hear about that?

Last week? I saw you guys talking about it, but no, I stayed away from the show, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Jason had a site on the internet right now.

Jason was pushing for that to be a new domain name that we take, but we were too scared to Google it.

I'll do it.

I'll do it right now, all right, dynastylovers dot com.

I'm just seeing if it exists. It says this site can't be reached. Oh all right, well maybe we'll put it in. Put it in the put it in the cart.

It's got to redirect. It's gonna be great for us. But uh yeah, we're gonna be talking through all that. Let's start off though, talking about rookie tight ends. We just had a weekend of football, arguably one of the best weekends of football I've seen in a while, where got some close games.

Oh, Divisional weekend is the best weekend of the entire NFL season.

It was.

It was awesome.

But that's highlighted by a couple of rookie ti ends that we're showing up Sam Laporta, Dalton Kincaid. Let's first talk about Sam Laporta, whose lions are somehow, somehow in the NFC Championship game. We'll we'll talk about that more on the main show and implications, but uh, he was a tight end one Titan one and Fantasy so the highest points per game ever for a rookie at fourteen PPR points per game. He set the rookie records and receptions ty Gronk for the most rookie receiving touchdowns. I mean, if you took Sam Laporta in your rookie draft set, you know the two oh five is what we have in our ADP. You are feeling great about life. In startups, he was going as the tight end ten, and we have this discussion I think a month ago. But do you guys still feel the same way, Mike, you can go first? Is he the tight end one in Dynasty startups?

Now?

It's it would be extremely difficult not to have him there, But it's also one of those things where you do like check yourself, have an actual thought experiment of it before it's just okay. The rookie who finishes a number one, he's now the overall Dynasty number one. I mean we've had that, not with the tight end position, but we've had that happen a few times here with like rookie wide receivers. It reminds me of one a star who was born a few years ago in Juju Smith Schuster, who skyrocketed to just, oh, no question about it, this is the number one Fantasy wide receiver in all of Dynasty. That was a cool two year run there for Juju as the number one guy, and then it was just catastrophic after that. So yes, when the Dynasty Pass comes out, which plug the Dynasty Pass will be available on Super Bowl Sunday when the UdK plus goes live for pre order. I can't imagine a world where Laporta isn't the consensus number one overall tight end. But for me, it's like, you know, let's have a look at were there any like actual warts on the season, and like in terms of like absolute just dumper of a game, we have what two of them where he was the tight end thirty seven and the tight end thirty two against Minnesota and Chicago on the road, respectively. But it's hard man like, bets, is there any way for you that Laporta isn't just the number one tight end? And we're not overreacting.

I think there's any you know, argument kind of against just like what could change with this offense this year is this offense was wildly efficient over the last two years with Ben Johnson who presumably is not going to be there as the OC anymore. And you could just say, like, look, is that maybe a tiebreaker? You could argue, you know, against Laporta in that reason, if you wanted to make him your tight end two or three or something like that in Dynasty. But to me, you know, rookie tight ends don't do what Laporta did very often. And when you look at his underlying metrics in terms of his ability to earn targets and those sort of things, like he just he's a great player, man, and I think that he is going to be a focal point of this offense moving forward. You obviously have Amanas Saint Brown there, and I know Jamison Williams is kind of a hot topic and nine to see there's people that are in, people that are out, but they just don't really have a number two target earner right now, and so I do think there's gonna be plenty of volume for Amanarans and Laporta moving forward for the next couple of years at least. So yeah, I think for me firmly he's number one. But if anyone wants to make arguments for guys like McBride or some of the other rookie tight ends, or of course the market Andrews of the world mark, You're not gonna hear arguments from me. I just he's so young and he's already done it. So to me, I do think he is tight end one.

So I will say, you know, looking at it, it was like you said, wildly efficient. Eight hundred and eighty nine yards and ten touchdowns. That's fantastic, But it's the it's the ten touchdowns really, you know, that's what carried him. Where eight and eighty nine yards it It's just it's the perspective of a rookie doing it. That's where you get so excited about what what's the next step for Sam Laporta. Does he become truly elite? But he was just he was very consistent. He played every single game and I'm trying to do the math real quick. But it's like he surpassed what sixty receiving yards in a game one, two, three, four times? You know what I mean? And that like that's just bring that stet up. Then you're like that feels not great. Where I want to have a tight end who where like Travis kelce is everything he would have has been. Who knows, who knows what Travis Kelcey will be next year, but the ultimate tight end one package was someone who got a ton of receptions yards like Travis Kelsey would have multiple games over one hundred yards in a season, and then he would also score touchdowns. So if we I would say that the red flag here is in this offense, maybe the offense loses efficiency without Ben Johnson next year, maybe he stays the same. But is there a world that exists where Sam Laporta is just a he is a sixty yard guy, Like that's that's kind of what you come to expect high touchdowns. That's more like a Mark Andrews where Mark Andrews doesn't get the reception quantity and the yard is quantity because he doesn't. The offense that Lamar runs is not the offense that Patrick Mahomes runs So can we get Laporta into that upper range of yard is with the high percentage chance of touchdown or are we going to be let down like if Laporta had you know, the eight hundred and eighty nine almost nine hundred yards and three touchdowns, we are people aren't freaking out putting him to number one. He immediately jumps into the top five, maybe even the top three, but he's not number one like Mark would be. Like, no, Mark Andrews is still the number one guy, and people would actually have the conversation, well, is Trey McBride should he surpass Sam Laporta because we have seen, you know, a Trey McBride hasn't had the same opportunity that that Laporta has had. But in that small sample of Trey McBride being the guy we've seen multiple games of him just take over the game where Laporta has just been an incredible piece, but an auxiliary piece, because Amenra is the engine and or Amran the running game would be the engine for Detroit. So that you know, that's what I'm talking about, the thought experiment of I'm trying to not just put laport at number one and then check out I want to actually think about it. So I think that that could be a possible red not a red flag he can't overcome, but a red flag when you look back through the if you're only looking at what he did with rose colored glasses, I mean that the yardage wasn't always there. Yeah.

The thing that we look at, and we talk a lot about titands, is just what do they do after the catch? Because so much of their targets is you know, these short area you know, I used to make fun of Jack Doyle's just he turn around, catch the ball, fall down, same thing Austin Hooper. Those are the kind of things. So you want these bigger plays you know that you get from George Kittle, or you get these seam routes from Mark Andrews, and so I will say, yeah, that's the one thing about Laporte is he just he had a ton of volume to make up for that yardage stuff. And it's hard for to repeat that over the years. And you know, if everyone's listening to podcast, like of course he's the titan one in Dynasty, that's fine. The question is, then what does it cost you? What is the opportunity cost to acquire a player? Like that, or if you're in a startup, where would you have to take him? For instance, Mark Andrews was seen as universally the tight end one last year going in to startups like that's just where he was.

He was marked.

You would have had to pay in one quarterback league's like a late second early third round pick. In superflex maybe you know, almost a late third fourth round pick. But would you guys be comfortable And I usually don't in a startup draft, like taking a tight end early is not an approach I love doing in dynasty startups because it's a safe pick, but I just feel like there's not quite the upside of saying, yeah, I get Sam Aporter for the next seven years, but I'm missing out on another wide receivers. That's do you guys feel the same way?

I think it's I think context is important because in you know, the last what would you say, maybe five years if you are taking that approach and a startup and you say, like, I want one of the dudes. I want a Kelsey, I want an Andrews. I want someone I can plug in not think about it every single week. That's very valuable, But the landscape has changed this year with Laporta emerging, Kincaid emerging, Mark Andrew's coming back from injury. You know a bunch of other tight ends that are now Fantasy relevant and are good David and Jok who had a breakout year, like a lot of names that you're like, I would be okay with that, and I would be excited about that guy on my roster. I think the gap between a true difference maker in you know, the third round or the fourth round compared to someone that you can get in the fifth or sixth round is not as huge as it maybe was two three, four years ago. So for me, if that's where he is going, and I haven't really looked at current startup ADP, I probably would be out on that price again just because I would probably lean elite wide receivers to start, or one of the you know, top tier younger running backs. But I get it. I think it's very fair. I just again, from that opportunity cost, I would probably be out at that price.

That's just not how I play dynasty. Where I'm taking a tight end so early, where I know that I can mix and match the position, and I know people say they get a positional advantage, but I get a positional advantage when I have three stud wide receivers, and those are the teams that I've seen just make insane runs in Dynasty. I would say, Mike, like, your biggest asset this year on your team is just I have the firepower at wide receiver.

Yeah. Yeah, My team was built through wide receivers and then just piecing it together at tight end. And now I'm, you know, lucky. Now I have Ingram, Ferguson and Trey McBride, which perfect. Yeah, I mean, that's an incredible three pack to have with. And so okay, what was the cost for me? Well, I've held on to Evan Ingram since the rookie draft. He tumbled for me. I got him like in the late second round, which was not normal at the time. I readily admit that I think I got Trey McBride in the middle of the second and then Jake Ferguson Nasty Boys season, we got him off the waiver wire, you know what I mean. So it there are ways to get usable tight ends. It can it. It's an investment, though, you know, usually like if you're gonna take these tight ends in your rookie draft that it never feels good because you know you're going to It's like you're you will be hatching this this product for your your fantasy team. It's not gonna be right away unless you drafted Sam Laporte. Congrat don't don't let Laporta's success skew what we have known about fantasy tight ends for the entirety of the NFL. One out like one Patrick Mahomes doesn't mean that, oh well, this is gonna happen all the time. No, it won't happen all the time. But I'm I think I'm okay with the startup price. But I was thinking through man, trying to trade for Sam Laporta right now would be just ridonculous what it would cost you. It would cost I mean at least a starting player, probably multiple first round picks, because whoever got Sam Laporta is now like eagle talent entrenched in. Sam Laporte is my guy, and you will have to rip him away from my cold dead hands. So I don't even know if trading for him is possible.

Right I like what you said, though, Mike, if you can, if you can't pay the price, you take a shotgun approach to tight end because there's so many different players. We'll talk about Dog Kincaid. You know, there's other players that are rookies like Luke Musgrave or Tucker Kraft that you could probably acquire a lot cheaper and kind of cobble it together, and you might get some of them wrong. But if you have three or four shots, like I have a roster where David and Joke who kind of came out of nowhere as being the dude for my roster. But I wasn't saying he's going to dominate this year. I thought going in that maybe Chig would be a player that I liked a lot, and I took a shot, so I had, like who was a waiver player?

Right?

Just you take a couple shots, you see how this is going to go. I just that's how I usually play.

Yeah, and also on my roster Juwan Johnson, who I got off of the waiver wire. So the point being like fantasy players, and you know, talking to myself, finding that a breakout tight end is not as easy as the wide receivers or the running backs, like the path is not nearly as clear because there's so much for that player they have to they have to learn essentially two positions, and then you have are they even in an offense that will support a good fantasy tight end? So there's so much to it that generally I don't want to spend a high draft pick on them, and you can just as long as you're attentive. Frequently during the offseason you can find guys to take the chance on. They don't they rarely pay off, but there's always plenty of guys for you to take a chance on that if it does pay off, the return is is has saved you a heavy startup draft pick.

Let's briefly talk about Dalton Kincaid. He was taken as the tight end one in rookie drafts because well, it took him in the first round twenty fifth overall the Bills, who just got knocked out of the playoffs. There was a stretch there from Week seven to eleven where he was the tight end three, his targets per out round like he was the wide receiver two on this team. And then there is a point in the season where not only him, but the rest of the passing offense for the Bills took a major downturn when they switched from Ken Dorsey to Joe Brady and also Dawson Knox returned and you kind of saw this dip in production. But bets, what did you see from Kincaid as a rookie and any thoughts moving forward?

Yeah, his role was kind of frustrating early on when he finally got the opportunity because all of his stuff was sort of you know, short area at type targets that really aren't that valuable for fantasy. And then as his playing time grew, you saw him grow as a player, getting more targets down the field, a little bit more usage in high leverage situations. So I think if you took him as a rookie or you you know, have him on your roster, like, you should feel excited about the he made as a player over the back half of the year. I always get worriming rookies just don't show anything down the stretch as far as an emerging talent, and we saw that from him. So I'm excited about Kinkaid moving forward. And I think when you look at context for the team too, I mean, being tied to Josh Allen is clearly amazing, but when you look at what's around him, like every obviouseason, we do this with Diggs where we're like, you know, is this his last year? Do they move on? Where is he at with that team? Gabe Davis set to hit a free agency. There was a quote today about Gave Davis and they aske him about if he wants to come back to Buffalo, and the remark wasn't like, you know a lot of guys are like I'd love to come back here, like I love what we've done these last few years. It was like, yeah, I'm gonna, you know, basically like test the open waters. But if they want me back, like I'll come back kind of thing. It wasn't like an endearing remark. So we'll see on Gabe Davis. But you know, either way, it's like, man, you look around that wide receiver room and there is not a lot, especially if Diggs is either A on the decline or B on his way out. And so could you see a scenario next year where Josh Allen and Don Kinkaid have a crazy run where Kincaid is the top option or the second option of the offense at worse. I definitely can envision that. So, yeah, I like Don Kinkaid. I like the situation for him as well, obviously being tied to Josh Allen.

I mean, guys, the fourth most rookie tight end perceptions of all time. It just felt not that way because of what Laporta did. So seventy three receptions as a rookie is a big deal. I mean he's top ten and PPR points per game for a rookie, So, I mean there's a lot to like here. I just think two touchdowns is going to be something that we look at and go, oh, so you never going to be a big touchdown guy, but it's it's a solid year. I think if Laporta didn't do this, we would look at Kincaid and say, wow, I was a pretty good rookie year. I mean, not blowing out of the water. But Mike, are you interested in Kinkaid, like acquiring him?

PPR leagues, Yes, Kinkaid is the type of player where yeah, I mean that you just laid it out. It's like the inverse argument I just was talking about for Laporta. Of had Laporta not hit that touch down threshold, it would be a oh, it's pretty good and touchdowns, yes, Like eventually some players stand out as their touchdown production. You expect it to happen. There are guys that hit that threshold, but most people in the NFL, the touchdowns that they fluctuate. Sometimes they're there, sometimes they are not. And dynasty is where you, especially this time of year, this is where you speculate on the human element of the game. What is going to happen with the Buffalo Bills. It bets you you touched on it. But like, it's Stefan Diggs on this team. I know that they've they're Some of the contract analysis out there is like you basically can't trade this contract for Stefan Diggs. What if Stefan Diggs is really is willing to rework his contract. You know, Josh Allen is a huge cap hit coming in next year, He's going to have to rework his contract as well. There's but to Stefan Diggs after you know, losing what how many years straight in the divisional round and just never being able to get over the hump. Is Stefan Diggs the type of guy who says, I want to triple down on this and Buffalo is where I want to be or has he showed us time and time again that he is a bit I can't think of the of a kind word to put it, just a he can get a little hot headed, let's put it that way, and react publicly passionate. He's passionate. There we go. Yes, he is a passionate man, and he reacts on things pretty quickly instead of kind of like a steady long term view. He has publicly had some things where like that's really reactionary, Steffan, what he doing man? But that's who he is as a guy. That's how he has gotten to where he is in the NFL. Well, so does he force his way out. But that's what I'm saying of in this time of year for Dynasty, because we don't know Kyle said it. We don't know who the coaches are gonna be for a lot of these teams. We don't know who will keep offensive coordinators. Are the Bills gonna retain their coaching staff. There's already rumors floating around, which coincide with there was rumors about halfway through the year that McDermott is not going. Unless McDermott makes a run and something happens, he won't survive, his job won't be there. There's a possibility for that. So right now you are speculating on the human part of the game, and to me, the human part of the Buffalo Bills says there is a chance that Stefan forces his way out. The team quadruples down on Dalton Kincaid being I mean, they traded up to get him in the first and they're gonna want to show we were right. This is a guy we can run the offense through. We hand picked him, So I think that Dalon Kincaid is got the chance to next year we could be saying, oh, dalk Kakaid easily the tight end one in all dynasty. It's just like, oh, sorry, Sam Laporta, you've dropped to three or four. Because rankings are so fluid and move around so much. So instead of taking the trade capital going after Laporta, I'd be willing to go after Kincaid. I don't know what he is going to I don't know what it will take to get him under your roster, but I would far rather go after Dalton Kincaid than I would say Laporta.

It's it's just the part of dynasty is just saying things aren't always business as usual. They don't stay status quo. What we saw from this offense last year won't be copy and paste unless you're Keenan Allen. It's the same thing every year. That's about it. So it's but so I'll put Yeah, of course I put Dalton Kinkaid somewhere around that tight end five range, Like I'd probably still put Andrews ahead of him, McBride, Hawkinson, Laporta. But I mean the other names when you start going further, it's like, is it in Djoku? Who's you know about to be twenty eight?

Is it?

We won't even talk about this.

I would take in Kaid.

Yeah. I think Kingkid's around five.

So yeah, and I think too.

Just one other comment on just kind of the situation, Like I think, no matter what happens, whether Diggs is there or not there, or the coaching staff is there or not there, Like financially, Kincaid has to be part of this game plan in a huge way. They are currently thirtieth and projected cap space this year, ahead of only the Chargers and Saints forty three million over the cap currently, so like they have to do something and with that, you know, first round draft pick, like he's their dude no matter what. So to meet the situation, I mean, we didn't be careful saying this because sometimes it's not true, but like to meet, the situation can really only get better as far as his opportunity in this offense.

All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. All right, before we get into our trade targets, Mike, you wanted to just mention Luke Musgrave's name, just your boy, Luke?

Yeah? What whoa whoa guy?

Your guy early, my guy?

He is not Trey McBride is my guy. Okay, just just knock it off over there. But we're doing a Dynasty podcast recapping the rookie tight ends and Luke Musgrave, I mean, he suffered a pretty unfortunate uh injury at you know, the week eleven mark.

The kidney, right?

Was that what it was?

Was it the kidney?

Sorry?

Things lead.

Not for much longer, Kyle. Uh, But up until that point he was on a seventeen gay pace of five hundred and eighty yards fifty six catches and that, you know, that's that's that does not seem special when you're comparing to what kincaid and Laporta did. But the point being the guy was he was a top twelve tight end as a rookie four times through week eleven, you know, in so that's ten games. That's that is not nothing to me. Now he has the unfortunate thing of that Craft came in, Kraft was drafted right after him, and then then Musgrave went out in Craft basically reproduced all of the production that Musgrave was giving us. So you don't know what's gonna happen, especially between those two guys. But I think that Luke Musgrave is He's worth at least a couple minute conversation.

I do.

Would Luke be in your top ten or your top ten at the tight end position or you're like, nah, it wasn't enough for me to see. Craft is too much of a nightmare. I'm out.

I think so. So Luke came in first named basis by the way, I mean, yes, he came into the league as a yack guy. So that was what was most intriguing of how he's in college and what you saw here. So the offense is so young that we can we can project in and say, okay, well the efficiency level seem to be there with Jordan Love, there are too many amounts to feed, which is kind of like could it be him one week, like, could you confidently start Luke Musgrave every single week this next year? I feel like the answer is.

No, and I would say no, But the also what and what is the number of tight ends you can confidently start every single week?

It's probably about ten, six, six or seven, right, So I think I see him more as a I wouldn't want to go into next year like counting on him. But you're happy where if you got him, you got him late in you know, second round or whatever rookie draft. But I I just want to say, I think Tuger Graft is better than what we think. I know we filled in, but like he was a chain mover for this team, you know, I so. And he had some fun college numbers too. He was a jack rabbit at South Dakota. So I think I just want to to throw that out there because it was fun college player. But I think he's gonna keep eating into his playing time in my opinion.

Okay, bets, I think yeah, I think so too. Both guys showed enough that like they clearly you know, can stick around the league for years, that they're good enough to do that. And so they're guys that I would love to have as it's head end two or three on my bench that, like Kyle said, you know you're not counting on them entering this upcoming season, but if they grow as a player, if their dynasty value increases, like I would obviously love to have them. So just depends on I think asking price in a trade, but I would love to have those guys just as a bench dash if nothing else.

Their rookie stats, if we were to combine them and just say I played the Green Bay rookie tied end this year, they look awesome, Like right, sixty five receptions, you know, their yards per target was really good. I just I like them. It's just hard. I feel like I'm gonna guess wrong each week.

It is.

Do you think that there could craft Mark Andrews us You mean you got to go in the way back machine. But the Ravens did this strategy too, except they drafted Hayden Hurst with their first pick, and then Mark Andrews was the second rounder and we all went, what Mark Andrews is way more exciting for fantasy football, Baltimore, what have you done to us? And Hayden Hurst was not the pick, it was Mark Andrews.

It It's not a bad comp here because you have athletic tight ends that can create after the catch where you know, Hearst was just like, why what are they doing with this day? An old dude? So I mean, I don't like, I don't hate the approach of just taking your shot on these guys. I bet would rather have Luke Musgrave or a the two oh three for this next year.

Probably the two three.

I was gonna say, probably the early second.

I think okay. I think where he's at is like a mid second, which is what he was last year, you know, mid the late second round pick.

So I think titands take a while to accrue value. That's what drafting them feels bad.

It's okay to hold these tight ends and not make a split second decision. We've talked a lot about dynasty, the arcs for these tight ends, like you said, a couple of years, you know you need so like even Michael Mayer, he was injured at some point. You know you didn't see the Spike games, but it was a fluky offense where it's like, okay, we'll score sixty three or or we're gonna run the ball forty times. So I think er I think Mayor would be a great fine hold. Don't feel bad if you took him in your second round of your rookie drafts. Just move on and you can wait. So let's talk about some dynasty trade targets that you can look for at this part of the season.

Let's talk trades.

We're gonna talk about a couple of trade four and trade away candidates. And I do want to give a qualifier here because there is so much we don't know so much about these players, the changing situations, So I don't know a month from now. Somebody listening to this podcast are like, you guys are idiots. Yeah, what are you thinking? You don't know what's going to go on in the world. But this is all about probabilities.

We don't know if we're all going to be alive come Sunday.

That's quite true. And I'm okay with that dark thought. I'm okay with it.

Do you not remember that? Yeah? That was that was Shanahan.

Oh, I forget, I forgot he said that.

You forgot about that, Kyle I did? It haunts me to this day. Yeah, Look, he's right, I don't know if I'll be alive on Sunday.

Spoke so true. So just just things change. And then also this is kind of making a guess on valuation. I don't know about you, guys, but when I think of a trade for candidate, it's a player that I think I can acquire for less than what they are valued in my mind, like I'm trying to get deal here, or.

That's usually how I look at it. Yes, yeah, or at.

Least pay costs. I'm not trying to overpay for a player. I'm not trying to give an obvious player to say like, oh, you need to, you know, go after this guy.

So we're gonna give.

A couple of names for trade for that are maybe under the radar that you can maybe get a little bit cheaper right now. And this is the part point of the off season where the rookie picks are only going to gain value and so some of these names are gonna fade away where you're gonna go, well, I mean, this guy didn't this guy didn't do a ton last year, so I don't really care. So what did what did you just do to your microphone? Let's just say it went off off the hinges for a second.

On the full radio mode right there. Grab the mic.

On radio, we would say, uh, you know, we'll be right back after this and put a little stinger in, you know, but we're not bets you go first.

On that nut. Oh Man.

When I was doing this research for this segment, I kind of realized I lucked my you know, lucked into a combo here a trade four and trade away targe hit at the same time. I want to trade four Kendrick Miller. And part of that I like it is because of what's in front of him on the depth chart and how poorly it went this year. You look at Alvin Kamara, who he was still pretty good as a pass catcher. I think we would all agree on that. But when we talk about career arcs and kind of when guys start to show decline, it's usually at the running back position, a pretty quick drop off. Alvin Kamara turns twenty nine this coming July. I mean you look at his yards after contact per attempt, his yards per carry, his rushing yards overexpected per attempt. Those numbers have all declined in four or five years in a row, and so clearly like something is there as far as where he's at in his career. And you know, I mentioned he was good as a pass catcher. The efficiency there even dropped off four straight years where his yards per target declined. So clearly this is a player who you know, three or four years ago was incredible, but the end is coming sooner than later. Jamal Williams, meanwhile, signed as a three year deal, literally does nothing. Dead last among all qualified running backs in yards after contact per attempt. He was just bad for that team. And so when you look at that those two.

They had to kind of break some unspoken rules to get him a touchdown.

Jamis is legendary for that. You look at those two guys into Claren and nothing really else on the depth chart. Enter Kendra Miller, who we were all very excited about him as a prospect. He fell a little bit in the draft of the third round. Recovered from knee surgery in the offseason, then just really a a string of unfortunate luck hampshing in camp. He never really recovered. The knee surgery was basically like all you know up until training camp, gets into training camp, hamstring injury, misses the first two games, kind of slow plays it behind Jamal Williams. I think it was week nine high ankle Sprain misses another month and a half and then finally comes out in week eighteen. And yes, this is an extremely small sample size, but when he was on the field and actually health, he looked awesome. And you know, Nick hunder Hill tweeted it right after the game and said, this is what we saw from Kendrick Miller all summer. The man can move. So you go back to his tape, right we were all excited about the way he could break tackles, Awesome contact balance, Just a really talented guy that just didn't really work out from an injury perspective. And so right now, I think he's kind of in the back burner when you think about this year's running back class with Beijeon Jamior Gibbs kind of stealing the headlines, Like kender Miller is a guy that probably won't cost you more than a mid second to a late second at most to go try and get And when you look at kind of like I said, the arc of Kamara and Jamal Williams, it could be a Kendra Miller, you know, big bump in terms of what he's going to see this year as far as his workload. So he's a guy that I'm going to get now before the headline starts to get exciting this summer, which I do think they will.

A good I love the way you laid that out because opportunities there. He's so young. That was part of the process that we were like, man, this guy produced at a big time college. You know, they went a national championship game. He's only twenty one point six years old. So if you kind of insert him, it's insane in the twenty twenty four running back class, Like this year's class is down overall for running backs, this is just gonna be a lot lower. You're not going to see the same draft capital. You're not going to see a guy get top fifteen like Gibbson Bejon did. So if you put Miller in that group and then you think about it in rookie picks, like, okay, so what would it take for me to get you know, Blake Korum from Michigan or whoever ends up being drafted the highest, you would say that Miller would be a way cheaper asset to acquire. So yeah, the two oh eight, the two oh nine, the two ten, right, for sure, I think that you can get that for Kendrew Miller, And you might say, oh, but I don't know about this rookie running back. That could be. You've seen Miller from just a brief standpoint, you know, week eighteen, like, oh, well he can play, and their beat reporters are saying that. So just think about him, not just as all well, he's he didn't really do anything as a rookie. He won't be good. But insert him in this year's.

Class's good at that price two to eight or you know whatever it be in that range.

I would I don't. I don't know that you'll be able to get in for that cheap, but that would be an instant you know, except for me.

Yeah, Mike, you've got an interesting name here.

All right. Yeah. My My trade for it, like Kyle laid it out, is when you're talking about a trade for player, there's so many different factors you can be looking at. But this time of year, I'm looking at someone who I think is underpriced for what the player can do. And it's Romeo Dobbs from the Green Bay Packers, the recently eliminated Green Bay Packers. Uh. And the reason I want to bring up Dobbs is when you talk about this exciting Packers team, you know whatever, the stat is one of the youngest teams ever to go to the playoffs. Jordan Love looks like the Green Bay Packers did it again and they have another franchise quarterback. When people ask who is the player you want, like, whis wide receiver do you want for Dynasty, it's immediately Jayden Reid. And I'm not saying that that is incorrect. I am just trying to do an exercise of what if that is not what if it's not correct, or what if it's What if Jayden Reid is the true number one answer, but it's not by a wide margin, and the other guys are actually getting more involved than you would think. So on the season, you know, Reid was better during the season sixty four and this is as a rookie sixty four for seven ninety three and eight touchdowns. That's not even counting the stuff he does on the ground. Meanwhile, Romeo Dobbs was fifty nine for six seventy four, also eight touchdowns. Romeo Dobbs was a top twenty four wide receiver in six of sixteen games. Because Dobbs didn't really play in Week eighteen, he'll be twenty four in April, and the market that I'm seeing. I went to a couple different sources, you know, of people that I like and I respect their opinions, but you're seeing Dobbs ranked around players like Jerry Judy, Tyler Lockett, Adam Thiele, and ron Dale Moore. These are names to me that should not be anywhere close to Romeo Dobbs to a young wide receiver who had I mean, not a like it, not an elite breakout season, but you know, almost seven hundred and eight that's a breakout season for a player who was drafted what in the fourth round and now is tied to a franchise quarterback, and people want his teammate and not just his teammate, maybe his teammates, you know, because I'll even include Christian Watson in that Green Bay wide receiver names who most dynasty players are going to prefer. I don't think that Romeo Dobbs is going to take the leap and be the number one, But the point being, if Dobbs can be an eight to ten touchdown guy a year and you know, give you seven hundred plus yards, he's in you need multiple wide receivers and he I think that he could be a cheap way to get into the Green Bay Packers, the Houston Texans justifiably, so it will be the hotness. Everyone's gonna want players connected to CJ. Stroud, So why not kind of pivot and get players who are connected to Jordan Love who looked maybe not as good as Stroud but looked really freaking good for a lot of the season, and get some pieces get connected to that Green Bay offense. And I think Romeo Dobbs is is the best combination of cheap compared to what I think he can do slash become and so you're not breaking the bank, and he's just kind of still a little bit under the radar. And look neither. He just balled out in the playoffs. Now you know that doesn't count for your fantasy stats, but in the playoffs, Romeo Dobbs was six for one fifty one with a touchdown four for eighty three. Meanwhile Jade Reid was oh for oh in one game and four for thirty five in the other because he got literally game scripted off. He's still a slot wide receiver. Yes, maybe read maybe over this offseason he makes a jump. I'm not saying that's impossible. But this year he was a slot wide receiver and the Packers figured out against the Cowboys, we need to not run three wide receivers, like, let's just have two guys out there. And Romeo Dobs was the dominant force for that that that game plan.

He I realized why you like him, Mike, because he was the NFC's version of Courtland Sutton like that, that's what he did. You know, he was the touchdown guy. And yeah, sure you and Courtland. Yeah, so I love the price. I love what you're bringing up, Like if you're paying I'm looking at some sites now it's like in startups, he's like wide receiver thirty eight.

You know.

It's like, yeah, like you said, is Jerry Judy ever going to be a thing based on what he's done for the first four years?

No, No, I'm out man.

So I think there's a high floor there of an offense that we want to invest in. And yeah, you're not investing you know, Jane Reid's going to be seen as a top two any type wide receiver and Dobbs is maybe half the cost. So I'm all about that, all about investing in players that are still relatively young twenty four years old that you know, his ceiling is probably never going to be you know, a wide receiver one. But that's not what you're having to invest in, right. If this guy can be a low in wide receiver two, a wide receiver three for your team, that's that's awesome in Dynasty.

Yeah, So let's say we'll say too sometimes sorry before we move on and start to interrupt. Sorry, Radio Kyle. The the best part about Dynasty trades in my opinion, and like shows like this, or to get those guys on your roster that can really give you a boost when you need it. Like, is anyone going to win a Dynasty League with Romeo Dobbs?

No, of course not.

But are you gonna be able to get a bench player that you can put in your starting lineup at worst as a flex? Yeah, And with a lot of leagues moving to like you know, double flex or different formats, like, you need those guys. And so some of my favorite trades to make in the offseason are those guys that are kind of under the radar, are not saying, hey go trade for Ceede Lamb, Right, Like these kind of trades you can actually get done and actually help you. So yeah, even though the ceiling isn't incredible, man, Remeo Dobs, compared to the names that Mike mentioned, it stobs for me every time.

But imagine if you had Cdlamb.

It feels pretty good. Boys, feels pretty good. But just to answer that question, Bets, I've had several people inquire about the possibility of trading for Ceedee Lamb, to which I have said words that I cannot share on this podcast, but basically, no, it's not possible.

Never We're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna find out my super secret top of the line trade target, the best pick ever. Okay, whatever you did during that break, bathroom break, whatever you're doing, I think you're ready. You're prepared for Rose Shawn Johnson.

I don't know about this one, Kyle.

Okay, Well, the reason why Mike's give him some pushbacks. He's always been a Khaluil Herbert guy and I respect that. Yeah, you know, I know he's entering a contract year Roshawn Johnson, so this pick is more of I don't think you have to pay very much, kind of like Kendrey Miller, and as a rookie, I think he did show some juice. And there's also the element of this team is going to look different. I can't tell you exactly how it's going to look at this point in the offseason. In January, we just found out that they're getting a new OC and Shane Waldron who came over from Seattle. Seattle's offense was really bad in the red zone, but what they were really good at is when they got in closed, they said, we're just gonna feed our running back. So Kenneth Walker had an elite red zone role. So I think the offense that he brings in is going to be pretty creative. We weren't really big fans of Luke Getzy and what he did. So you have a new OC, you could have a new quarterback, okay, with Caleb Williams or whoever else they take, you could have new competition. And Rosehan is one of those players that I want to bet on him only growing into a bigger role as opposed to he's just irrelevant because he didn't really pop off. We've seen rookies that did pretty much nothing but have some good efficiency numbers as pass catchers eventually pop off later on. For running back position, you guys remember Damien Harris as a rookie. Yeah, they did nothing with him. I mean they literally said, we don't want this guy on the field. A couple years later, he pops off for fifteen rushing touchdowns in a season because you just kind of had to wait and acquire himp next to nothing behind who they had at running back. Same thing with Tony Pollard. He was a fourth round pick. It was a slow burn, but you eventually got there. Remindre Stevenson, same thing, fourth round pick. Eventually as a sophomore he popped off. And the one thing Rochean did really awesome is he caught the ball. Forty targets, eighty five percent catch eight one hundred and twenty one opportunities is still solid for a rookie. And I think he has the type of body as Jason says, he's a BBB is big body back that you want to invest in. You know, Oh, Jason calls him BBB's big body back, better business Beraun j You know Jason, he likes those those heady boys. Yeah, I get it.

I'm with him.

So I think Roseean is one of the players that you can gamble on. I'm not saying it's gonna work out. But I want to gamble on running backs that didn't ball out their first year. That will cost you very little this year, and you can do the same thing I talked about with Kendrey Miller. Put Roshan Johnson in this year's rookie class, and I can guarantee you whoever the RB four or five is in this class is gonna go ahead of people's minds than Roseean. But I think Roshan can be just as good as the RB three or four in this class. So you can trade for him, roll the dice with the new offense, roll the dice with the new offensive coordinator, and just stockpile your running back room. I mean, I'm just trying to take shots in Dynasty for these little windows Ramandre for a year or Damien Harris for a year. So do you guys think I'm a gambling man? Does this make sense?

You're a gambling man, But it does make sense. The the thing that stands out for me that I don't like is that that Herbert went down to injury and they went to Deonta Foreman over Rochon, overgiving the young guy the opportunity. Now, the results I mean speak for themselves. Deonta Foreman had himself a pretty good stretch run there, whereas it was why isn't he starting over Khalil Herbert Foreman's Foreman's crushing people, So it could just be that's what happened. But Rochean is I do agree with the premise that he's cheap. I think you can get Rochon for even cheaper than Kendre Miller in terms of trade compensation. Would much rather have Hendre Miller. But there is a world where you know, Rochean Johnson kind of takes over. I can see that happening of I can see a path where he is actually the starting running back for the Chicago Bears on forced. I can see a path where they use one of their bountiful picks and they're like, well, we're just going to take someone who we really like in this running back class. So at this point it gamble is the perfect way to lay it out. But that's roshun Is you. I'm in it. I'm in I'm in on that being a low a low compensation gamble that could pay off.

Yeah, I think calculated risk is a good way to talk about it, right, It's like if I have to give an early third for this guy, like who cares, right, nothing, I.

Throw my thirds in the garbage bets. I don't even care.

Exactly they mean, they mean nothing. So yeah, that's the price, then sure I'll take a shot. But like he's kind of up against it from the beginning, right, I mean fourth round picks. Just in general Day three running backs historically, the hit rate is not great. It is a little concerning that, like Mike said, when he had an opportunity, or at least when an opportunity presented itself with Clill Herbert injury, like he wasn't the guy. And even down the stretch when donca Foreman was basically a healthy scratch for a couple of weeks in a row, even then he still didn't emerge over Clill Herbert. So like, I mean, I'm pretty neutral on this take, but that's how a lot of people are gonna feel too. And so if the cost is nothing, then then sure I'm in.

I mean, he had some games, especially when they were winning down the stretch, where it's like he was getting double digit opportunities, and it's not what you want to see, right, Like we want to see fifteen. We want to see sixteen type of opportunities. But I like seeing the pass catching work and in a with a position that's so fragile, like running back, where I'm just taking as many shots as possible, I'm I like that I can look at all the variants that could happen with this team over the next year so and then the year after when Herbert is not under contract, and say there could be something there, there could not be. Those are the type of players that I try to stockpile, and you know, they might not be nothing, but maybe halfway through the year, I get somebody who's the starter of Herbert's out and I can count on him.

So and I think you might be If you're trading for roche On, then you're I imagine you're fantasy wise, you're hoping that it's Caleb Williams, yes, instead of justin field. You're hoping for more targets.

Yes, for sure. Let's talk about a couple of trade away candidates. This is you kind of putting up you know, your flag and sands saying I think the value is going to be less for this player in a year from now. It's not saying this players bad. They're a bust. I never want them anymore. But you are saying, I think the value is going to dip and so I'd rather get ahead of the curve, or I think this player is on a trajectory where they're not going to be as helpful in Dynasty. So bets you go first.

Oh man, this conversation is going to be interesting because when I started to put this name in our show, doc Mike jumps in and says, this guy is terrible. No one wants this guy. The second guess, I'm like, man, does anyone actually want this guy? But the guy I'm gout to talk about it is DeShawn Watson, who, you know, the last couple of years has not been great. And when you get out played by Joe Flacco, it's maybe not the best sign. And not just Joe Flacco, Joe flaccol off the couch at this part of his career, it's maybe not the best sign. It right there, And when the front office comes out, you know, in the end of the year meetings and they're saying, look, Deshawn's our guy. We feel very confident in DeShawn. They are lying through their teeth after what they did to get him and the product they have on the field, they've made a huge mistake and I think that they know that, and so you have this perceived I think value of him. And I'm not saying it's a high value, but in super flex leagues, people will see the contract and they'll say, look, you can get to Shawn and you can get a two three year starter at at least, And this super flex starting quarterback is valuable.

No matter who it is.

People always think that that's value. But as we see across every situation in the NFL, there's always things that they can do to change the contract to you know, they're doing it with Russell Wilson right now. We think you didn't think you can move on from that. But if Deshaun Watson comes out and places terribly again this year and they bring Joe flacka winn is his backup? Does he start the whole season? Is he the starting quarterback in twenty twenty five? And so I know the values down compared to where it was last year, but I still think the value is going to drop. You know, at some point in a player's archetype when you have to make excuses for them over and over and over again. It tells you a lot about what the situation is, and I think, again, we're gonna have an off. He's more making excuses for Deshaun Watson and saying, well, you know, he obviously had an injury, he missed last year, you know all these things. It's like, man, at some point, you just have to play, and you have to play well, he hasn't done it so in Super Flex leaguees specifically, because I think in one quarterback there really isn't any value. I'm willing to trade him away, understanding that I probably didn't get the best price I could have for him, but saying, look, next year it's probably gonna even lower.

That's I think the question for Deshaun Watson in terms of willing to trade him away, are you willing to eat the cost? Essentially, like are you willing to trade get sixty cents on the dollar or you know, so to speak of of what you think they're not even think what their actual value is. Because Deshaun Watson in a single quarterback league, he does have value as well. Let's see, we had a QB five, Week one, QB ten, in week three, QB eight, and Week nine He's still running, so he still brings fantasy value through his legs. And Amari Cooper will be there at least for should be there at least this year, so yeah, he will. He's probably not the guy I want to have as my starter. Let me, I'll rephrase that he's not the guy I want as my starting quarterback in a single QB, but as a backup. With the blood bath that we all endured this year of quarterbacks going down, including Deshaun Watson, you want to have a backup that you feel that when you put them in, you're it's not just an automatic loss. And there are quarterbacks out there that people probably want more than Watson that are actually you start them that that feels like a loss. So I I I'm just trying to figure out what do I want Watson on my team? Where do I not want him? That's what this whole rambling thing is about. But I'm with bets that if I could trade him, I would do it. But are you taking a discounted trade, Bets, or would you rather just hold on to him?

I'd be willing to take a discount of trade, Okay, And I think my favorite approach to Deshaun Watson right now is not just trying to do like a rookie pick one for one or a player one for one. Is almost just trying to say, like, can I put Deshaun Watson with a second something like that in a super flexile like an early second, and go get Kyler or go get you know, someone like that in that tier and just move on and kind of understand that the worst maybe is ahead and not already what we've seen. So yeah, I think I'm willing to be out even if I don't get, like I said, kind of the best price, so to speak.

I got one for you. Would you trade DeShawn Watson for Bryce Young? Oh?

My gosh, I.

Man, but it's not It's not an easy yes.

I guess I would just hold out hope maybe that Bryce Young can have a Trevor Lawrence Esk rebound, But honestly, like I wouldn't follow anyone for going on either side, I guess Bryce Young, But man, it doesn't feel good.

What about Kirk Cousins coming off in Achilles? Is I think thirty five?

I think that's where I would stay with Watson for at least I know I have a little bit of like security of somebody playing.

I think, do you that's I mean, if he plays the way he's played since he's become a Cleveland Brown, can they really enter another year and lie to the fan base and say they're excited about Deshaun Watson again, like they can't write.

It's hard.

He's only twenty eight, I know.

But this is the super flex thing is like people always think they have that QB two that he's got job security, he's locked in, and we talk about all the time and super flex. If you don't have the studs, just you know, shotgun approach at QB two's and you'll land on a couple and it'll work out. And I think Deshaun Watson is in that tier. If people think he is going to be the starter for the next three or four years, and I don't think it's a guarantee.

I think that's how you market him. I'm totally behind you. He's not somebody. I have a player in my league that has tried to trade me Deshaun Watson over the last two months, and I just said, I just don't want to gamble there. I didn't have a great QB two And so that's what he was trying to do, and I get his approach. That's what you have to do to somebody else. You don't really have a QB two. I think in a super flex league you need a player that you can plug in where I just don't want it. I just don't want any part of it. I don't want to gamble there.

I I don't either.

I've found quarterbacks and we all have in super flex leagues that we didn't think would be startable players. But like the Baker Mayfield's the Jordan Loves, are players now that you can lean on and say, wow, like I feel so great as my QB two that these are my guys that they have a contract. I mean, I'd rather have Bryce Young call me crazy.

All right, I don't think it's crazy.

Mike, You're up next this one. It didn't disappoint me. I'm not mad.

It hurts.

Oh, it hurts, It hurts, It shocks me. I'll be honest.

I think it's a fair discussion because again, is there a disproportionate market value to a player?

I love it.

I love this approach, and it's Jay Flowers who is. If you've been following the Dynasty Show or the Ballers show like my chips were all the way in on Jay Flowers and is almost my guy, Like oh my yeah, yes, very very close to my guy for for his rookie year for the Baltimore Ravens. And I think on the season as a whole, is this was a successful year. Like when a player does that in their rookie year at the wide receiver position and you're tied to an elite quarterback, your value goes up. It does not stay neutral. It goes up as people project and say what could be what could become of Jay Flowers? And I will say, let me start off the conversation here. I'm not saying Jay Flowers is not in anywhere close to a must trade. This is not me bailing on Zay Flowers. Is me asking the question of are there people in the league who see a ceiling to Jay Flowers that I don't personally see. I think that Jay Flowers is going to be a great wide receiver. Two. We have Spike week possibilities. You know you're gonna have certain weeks where he just he pprs his way into being a wide receiver one or the broken play, you know, the Championship Week, whatever it was a seventy plus yard touchdown. He has that ability his on the field. He is absolutely incredible. But will he ever ascend to be a top twelve Fantasy wide receiver where I can look at Jordan Addison and like, there's a world where if they get the right quarterback that both Jefferson and Addison they can be both they can be top twelve, top fifteen guys. I don't know if Jay Flowers will ever get there. And you had last year, you know the real the Week one was the breakout where we were all ridiculously excited. Mark Andrews wasn't there. Jay Flowers kind of falls off there, doesn't disappear, but doesn't become what you had hoped after Week one and then has a huge stretch run at the end with Mark Andrews out. Now what's hard to put together there for me is Isaiah Likely was also great during that second half run when Jay Flowers was doing his thing and being, you know, a playoff king. But I just I don't know that with Mark Andrews, I don't know if there's a world where Jay Flowers makes a jump to being elite, he just becomes a really solid wide receiver. Two. But there there will be weeks when he vanishes and just gets you, you know, one, one or two receptions. But could there be someone in your league who is thirsty for the for young, young breakout wide receivers and sittings like Zay Flowers. I think he can be a wide receiver one and I'm just I have my concerns that that ceiling will not be capable for Flowers. So that's where I'm okay looking into trading him because I'm I'm I think I can get back more than I'm trading away.

It's it's a great point. We highlighted him in the Rookie review show, but we didn't say what could you get or a player that's a little bit older. So I have a couple of names. Okay, would you rather have Za Flowers or Drake London in Dynasty?

Oh Man, Drake London is the better player.

The higher ceiling I think in terms of end of your finish.

Yeah, it's.

But that is I would I would take London.

Personally, I think I would take London. The thing is for the trade I'm wanting to make though this isn't if it's a one for one and I have to make the choice. I think I'm gonna take Drake London, but I'm looking at situations where does someone have Drake London and they're really excited for Jay Flowers, so I can get London plus.

Yeah.

I'm not saying, you know, take someone over the Coles. I'm saying, can I get a second? Can I get Drake London into two for Jay Flowers? Okay? Now I'm interested in making that, uh, making that happen. And Kyle, you laid out like t Higgins or our boy A Pity City, Michael Pittman. I think that those guys are the higher ceiling players. Tim Higgins is hard because I have I have some personal beef of Tea Higgins letting me down over and over and over. But it's like Michael Pittman, who likely is going to break the bank. I just talked about recently how excited I am for uh Anthony Richardson, and I think that the market hasn't caught up to where he should be. So it's about getting more. Though, Like if I'm trading for Michael pitt and you can't you can't get you can't get Michael Pittman plus for Za Flowers that one won't happen. T Higgins, maybe maybe you can get that done. Yeap.

Zay Flowers is a by the way, going back to Drake London, he's a full year older than Drake London, say Flowers is despite playing in the year League a little bit longer. He's an interesting player because I.

Think so he's good. Man. Jay Flowers is so good.

He's gonna give you a high floor. He's not just gonna be like irrelevant for fantasy. But if you think the hype is over what you know, what you think his performance can exactly, you can move on. All right, I'm gonna give a name that I've never really been a Debo guy, and Debo is one of those players that when you bet against Deebo, he destroys your soul.

Yeah, he does do that.

So yeah, if you've ever gone up against Deebo, you're like, wow, he touched the ball eight times this game, and he scored twice and put up you know, one hundred and twenty total yards and he kills you. But Deebo's twenty eight years old. This team's going on a near super Bowl run. We'll find that out soon. But there's a lot of things that are about to change. For the forty nine ers, it kind of feels like a team that you can just say this is what they're going to be forever. Brock Party eventually is probably gonna get some extension, Brandon Nayuk is definitely set up for an extension, and CMC's cap hit goes from three point four million guys this year to fourteen million next year and fourteen million the next year. They're really good at playing around with numbers, so I don't want to just give a the team's changing, but it will and things change the NFL. But I usually am not somebody who chase efficiency numbers over multiple years. Eventually that catches up to you. I'm usually somebody that chases volume in fantasy football, and Deebo's reception totals always scare me that eventually the bottom is just going to drop out. You know, in his career fifty seven, thirty three, his big year seventy seven receptions, fifty six and only sixty this year. He's never really been a player that you know, you can count on to play the entire year, which is fine, and I wonder if one day the rushing stuff is going to catch up to him. He's basically the most efficient running wide receiver ever, like running back wide receiver of all time. He's averaging one point twenty seven Fantasy points per rush attempts. For context, CMC is point sixty eight, So he's almost double as efficient as CMC when he runs the ball. But the volume scares me that it's never really been there. He's entering age twenty eight and twenty nine seasons. And we've talked about this on this podcast. When why wide receivers hit that range? You'd rather be a year early on Julio AJ Green, DeAndre Hopkins. This past year, we said the same thing about Davonte Adams, Stefan Diggs. I think Deebo has another fine year, but I wonder about the year after that. So in Dynasty, i'd rather get awesome value for a player right now, when two years from now, I think you won't be able to get much of anything for Debo and this team is going to look different. So is that too early for you, guys? Bets Am I being too early?

No?

I think this is the perfect time because you know, when you talk about the way he plays, it is this you know, hybrid wide receiver manufactured touch role that does come with a decent amount of rushing attempts. Now, I think twenty twenty one, when he had the fifty nine carries is probably going to be his career high. But still he's probably going to give you somewhere in the range of thirty to forty rush attempts every season, and you kind of start to throw that stuff into the mix. It's like, man, this guy is, you know, not old, but starting to approach thirty sooner than later. That sort of stuff can have its war and terra over times, and so the way they use him I don't think is necessarily great for like career longevity the way I see Debo as far as his efficiency, and like Kyle said too, like just players like this, I try to be on the other side of it from an outlier efficiency standpoint. Now, I think Debo is just that good and that's kind of who he is. But like you said, I do see the value probably dropping next year and certainly the year after that, and so yeah, when you're just talking about guys you can trade away and get max value four. I do think that time is now, and I do think if you wait a year, you're probably gonna be a little bit too late.

I think with Debo, you know, I would be looking for something for a first and something else another young police, somebody else in the mix that you think, okay, they can ascend. But I mean, he's a good player, He's gonna help your team in twenty twenty four. I just hate betting on efficiency numbers to just sustain forever. We've seen those you know leave and he's just never gonna be the top target earner in the offense when you have still see mc kittle and then I you he's probably gonna get an extension this offseason, I would agree. So any any thoughts on Debo before we wrap up, Mike.

No, I think you guys are right it the when you I bring it up from time to time. But of when you're trading players away, you know it, it shouldn't feel great. I mean, like trading Deshaun Watsonway would feel pretty great. But for for the most part there when you're trading a player away, there should be something inside you like, am I making the right choice here? Because that means you're making a difficult choice, but you have to fall back on years and years of data and probability because the names you brought up, that's perfect, Like Julio Jones, that dead felt like that was gonna last forever. And when it ended. For Julio, it was a car crash like this was an immediate, full one hundred miles to zero and it was and we were done. And the same for aj Green, it was full to zero. You missed out. You could have gotten some value. You should have taken it because it's all about keeping the keeping the you know, the water flowing, keeping things moving on your team. Of your team is never good enough is a way that you should look at it. So always be ready to improve, and that includes making some hard decisions with players who are great.

That's gonna do it. For this episode, we are going to start turning our focus towards the twenty twenty four rookie class and we got some episodes, some content coming out. Make sure that you check out the twenty twenty four Dynasty Pass, which is part of the UdK plus. It would be out Super Bowl Sunday and we'll see you again next week.

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