Dynasty rankings talk on today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast! Borg, Betz, and Jason discuss the process for ranking players in dynasty startups, and factors to consider when weighing player value. Plus, some of the hardest players to rank and undervalued dynasty players heading into the summer! Players discussed: George Pickens, Nico Collins, Josh Jacobs, and many others! Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for May 8th, 2024.
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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a Baller.
Welcome in.
It's the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast. I'm your host Calpergnoni and I'm joined by Matthew Betts and Jason Moore.
Who doesn't love a good ranking show talking about some of the biggest questions in your dynasty leagues? Who were hot and bothered for? Who were scared of get into the the real important players on today's show.
I yeah, I mean a lot of people are in the middle of dynasty startup right, like this is the season to do it. I think this show will be helpful because there's a lot of guys in the rankings that I don't know what to do with, and I'm hoping that you guys can help me out.
Like you well, there's also a point at this point in May where I'm wang, I don't know anything right now, things are gonna change, and yet over the course of history there are things that are very very true. Like, for instance, what if I told you at this point last year Damian Pierce was a top fifteen Dynasty running back in startups, we knew something right.
I would have told you that this time. Last year, I was telling everybody to not get hot and bothered for Damian Pierce because there's a fourth round running back. They just never stick around.
True, well, there's also players that last year you could see the path, and so if you were doing a Dynasty startup, you could have told yourself a story and said, hey, maybe Treylons I could see it. They need a guy, you know that they got to have it, And we got news today that apparently they don't believe in him at all. They signed Tyler Boyd. So what a fall from grace of like, hey, we're gonna trade basically aj Brown and get you to I don't even know if we want you around.
Someone needs to trade for Trailing Burks. He's he has you know, we use the phrase the light has been left on for him. You know some of the behind the scenes metrics, you know, the targets per out run or yards per out run, those type of things that usually indicate like a good player while he's on the field, But he hasn't been on the field that much. I feel like some other team who had them high on their boards, they just need to trade. I mean, what would they accept for him, like a sixth, seventh. Yeah, that would be a seventh a sixth, like you know, a six to seventh swap, Like just move us up to the sixth from the seventh and you.
Can rise at the bottom of the bag. Like that's what that's what it'll take.
Right now, Well, those are still those are still they're pretty good.
I know there's somebody in your league who sees a path. Let me before we go any further, because this is an episode we're gonna talk about startup ranks, give the bowl case. You know, some of them were just like, hey, I don't see it. At the end, we'll even talk about some players that we've cut that you guys can roast us for. But like, what would be the case for someone like Trailon Burks in your league if you're either going to try to acquire him or you know you're trade him away. You're saying, okay, I'll take a what would you take in a dynasty league anything for or if you have him, because you have him Jason in a league and I.
Do want him, Yeah, yeah, I try to download him, you know I would take right now with the rookie drafts going on, it really depends on who's on the board. But there's definitely some third rounders that I would rather have than Traylon Burks for the upside case. So you know, if one of those guys was available, yeah, I might might trade him just for that.
I would too. What's interesting though about Burkes in just kind of this career arc path and it seems like anything in the NFL happens, it feels like it was ten years ago. But you guys remember last August, like the drum beat on trail on Burkes was insane, and then he has the knee injury in training camp, and so if there is any glimmer of Pope, it's like, hey, maybe that injury had more to do with his season than than not. I mean, truthfully, probably that's not the case. But if you're selling it in a trade to one of your league mates, I'd be using that as a selling point to try to unload him, because I mean, the NFL just moves so fast. I you know, this is a perfect example, and that's why I like sometimes when you see it in your one and you're like, I could still I could make an argument for this going well. Oftentimes, if you have to make you know, three or four excuses for why it hasn't happened yet, it's a good sign of like it's probably not happening. So I'm using that in a selling point, and I agree with Jason, like there's some guys that go in the third round this year that I would definitely take over trailing burks and rookie drafts.
This is why I think some of the developmental, high upside, long term options in dynasty are overvalued because the NFL does not have time for that crap anymore. The NFL does not have time to develop players that aren't producing in the first year or two. They just they're impatient and they move on. And with the NFL resembling more and more what college football has been, you know, over the last ten to twenty years, it means players could come in and have success right away, and if they don't, we the team are not waiting around for you, and we the league are not going after guys that didn't work for the other team for a couple of years. So that's where it's like, I care a lot about how much is this player going to have success rookie year, if we're talking about rookies, or even if it's a veteran, like, do I care so much more about this year and the next year versus five years from now? It's it's overblown. And if you want to win a championship in Dynasty League, I don't know if I don't know if everybody knows this, but if you win a championship, that means you scored a lot of Fantasy points two points every single time, every single time, the winner of your championship scored the most points in the final week of the season, they scored the top half points of your league through the majority of the season, and not in next year but this year always. It sounds so stupid to say that, because it is so stupid to say that, But it's like we forget that, Like if you want the ring on your finger, you have to care about now. You can't just care about youth and oh, my team's built for the future.
Dynasty is all about perception, perceives value. This is what I think this player will be worth. But like you said, Jason, like you can project all day, but the NFL is not going to say, hey, what is Treylon Burks five years from now? They're moving on right now. And you know we've talked a lot about thresholds just to view wide receivers through one year or two years. There's basically only been a couple of dudes who after two years just said, hey, all of a sudden, I'm awesome. It's DeVante Adams, who over the last eight years is average one hundred and fifty plus targets and Devonte Parker, who out of nowhere was like year five whatever, decided that he wanted to be good. So it's just it just doesn't happen. And I think as a manager, it sucks because you invested something and you remember what you invest in Trailer Brooks. I mean, people took Traylon Brooks ahead of some guy like ahead of Garrett Wilson or whoever else they did in their rookie drafts, and now you get to look back and say, okay, you know what, I just have to move on. So it's not fun. It's not fun to tell people that the best asset to have is a young wide receiver and then yeah, they're gonna bust. Like this year's class, guys, there's gonna be players that we love talking about right now. And I think a lot of people just forget myself included like, oh, this is what I thought at the time, and then I look up to three years later it's like, oh, well this this isn't gonna work.
So yeah, Neighbors and a Duneesday, those two guys are unbustable in most people's mind right now. Like, neither one of those guys. They're they're they're the they're part of the Big Three. They can't bust. They can't come into the NFL and fail. Oh yeah they can. Oh yes, they can, Absolutely they can. I don't I mean, I don't think they're going to either. But like we you know, there are year after year after year, we know that all these top round one and round two wide receivers they are not gonna all hit. It's impossible. It never happens. So yeah, that's why a lot of us end up going the more veteran route that I, oh, this guy's proving it. Yeah, I'll take it over the potential.
Yeah, it's it matters, It matters with that. Fantasy points scored actually is kind of predictive of Fantasy sport points score in the future. So if you want our startup rankings, they are live. They're there in the Ultimate Draft Kit plus we talked last week all about you know, everything that we've updated. Even as the Tyler Boyd news came through, we were able to update the depth charts and kind of see this Titans team is going to be very different this year. I mean, Will Levis is a wild card. But at least we can look at this offense and say they're trying something new with Brian Callahan in there. His dad's gonna be the offensive line coach, bringing in Ridley Pollard. I don't know if it's gonna work, but at least we can say there is a range of outcomes for these Titans players. Now you're like, okay, well it could work. I mean I kind of bet against some aging veterans, but there is some upside there. So you can get all of that, all of our startup rankings in their ultimate Draft kit plus if you want to get that. But I have a I want to start us off a little different.
Boys.
I want to play the game.
We're gonna play a little game, and I think you two have the exact opposite reaction to the game. Jason, when he hears that drop, he gets excited.
I get a Oh, I get excited, brother. I love when you bring these stupid games up because these games usually I don't know exactly what we're doing, but when you come with a game, it means that you have something that is surprising and usually makes us look stupid, but it's fun a lot that way.
How do you feel That's that's mostly correct and ninety percent of the time Kyle does make us look like idiots, which he just sits there and smiles and laughs and really enjoys it. So as soon as I hear the drop, I just get this kind of uneasy feeling in my stomach knowing that for the next five minutes I'm gonna probably sound like a complete idiot. So yeah, it's gonna be great.
And I love doing this a bets. I always bring it on him in dfs and betting podcast and he hates it.
But also bets that we got a lot more of this show than five minutes, So you know, don't you worry. You got at least like forty five more minutes to sound stupid, my brother.
I'll see what I can do. I'll see it all right.
Actually, what's what's ironic about that is I've seen some of the names you've highlighted in the show doc today and you and I are in lockstep, so you're actually gonna sound brilliant.
Yeah, I'm going to just play the role of the contrarian. It's a new role for me, so we'll see how it goes. I'm going to give you some players and all I'm doing, all I'm asking is a year ago and I looked up this date. Okay, a year ago to the date. Where did these players go in dynasty startups? So stroll back to May, Jason, you were a year younger than you know. Life was great, the idol. I was actually still there in Arizona at this time. And where were these players going? What was this sentiment? So I'm going to give you a player and then you two are going to guess where they went based on the position in a startup draft. So let's start at quarterback, and let's throw out the name Bryce Young. Where did Bryce Young go in dynasty startups? Right after the NFL Draft he was taken one on one. Frank Reich is the coach. Where were people taking him? And by the way, I decided to use three different sources and average them. Okay, so sleeper, keep trade, cut and Roto is so just so we have a good little aggregate. So what do you think.
There's no way that he wasn't a top fifteen quarterback. So I'll put him. I'll put him near there. I'm gonna say quarterback fourteen.
I think it was a little higher. I'm gonna go like quarterback eleven somewhere that you.
Are dead on bets it is. Quarterback eleven is where Bryce Young is going. And now he's kind of seen as right outside that top twenty. And spoiler alert, we might be talking about him today because I'm in Dynasty. I think there's a window.
You fool you.
You are sick individual, Kyle.
Which is funny because Panthers fans. I think I've there's one fan base that I've lit on fire this year. It's been them, Like I've found every single bat statistic possible for Bryce Young and they found me in the mentions. But yeah, we'll talk about him later. What about a running back? There is a guy I don't know if you've heard of, Jason, and I know this doesn't hurt your feelings at all, Austin Eckler. In redraft, he was a top five pick, and I think in redraft we got that now in Dynasty, you can say like, oh, well he was getting older. We weren't really sure. Where was Austin Eckler going in startup drafts last year?
I think he was pretty near there. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go running back six.
I think. So the Dynasty community is getting sharper every year. I think they recognized that the age was a possible concern. And I'll say, rbe fifteen.
Right, he was RB eleven. So one site had him at seven, another at twelve, one at thirteen.
So okay, so we're like right in that range. You average Bets and I together and.
Think about that like knowing what you know now and we have hindsight an noow, So does that just feel insane to think about?
Yes, last year of just I don't know what happened. I mean, you come out in week one and you start season and Eckler just looks like he's gonna be the same he's been, gets injured and then who ha, what is he now? What is he now? The running back?
He's eight hundred, he's running back forty two undress rich.
So it is that's pain.
He's wow to think that, because I don't think any of us thought like he's done. We would have said last year, like he's gonna be really good for at least one more year. And we know that he has you know, this PPR floor. So that was painful to see. I will give us some good examples, by the way, So these are these are pretty tough. But Remandre Stevenson, where was he going last year?
He had just had a breakout, breakout season. He had to be tell you, I'll say, i'll see RB nine.
Yeah, I'm sure he was pretty high. I don't think he's that high. I'll say RB twelve.
It was RB twelve and all right. Interesting this year because reminder, Stevenson is going to his fourth year, final year under contract. They sign Antonio Gibson, who is younger than him, and it's an interesting debate between those two and just how they're gonna use them a new off it's a coordinator any anyway, RB twelve last year, all right, A couple more names, Stefan Dix who was going into his age thirty season. Where Stavon Diggs taken in startup drafts.
I think he used certainly a top ten wide receiver, I'll say wide receiver seven.
Yeah, with the age thing and the Eckler I'm gonna I'm gonna guess he's right around the wide receiver twelve.
He was wide receiver twelve, right there, all right, Jason Skarry, you're right on the nose right now. He is seen by the crowds. Is keep trade cut wide receiver thirty six. So if you, for instance, were like me and had him in a league with a stack with Josh Allen, you no longer have that stack and you don't know what to do with him at all.
So drafting the older guys in startups is difficult, right, you know right now or last year? You know, per Cup and those type of players. But most people listening aren't necessarily making their team this year, right. Dynasties last forever. So you've got these players, and we talk about this all the time. But like when these highly ranked superstar old players are still valued really high. Eckler last year, Digs last year, whoever, that is where you trade them for a young player and a first or something like that, and bets, you're right, dynasty managers are getting a little sharper. Might be a little bit more difficult, but it can still happen, especially for teams that look that you tell them the story of like you're a star player away from a championship. Your pick, your first round pick, it's gonna be late anyways. So give me a young up and coming guy who's not gonna help your team that much and your first and take this guy who's gonna put you over the top. You can get those deals done, I'm telling you. And then you fast forward one year and you're like, oh, yeah, I traded the wide receiver forty five right now for a young stud who's probably a wider chooer for fifteen this year at startups on a first round.
I love that strategy. When someone tells you that your pick is going to be late, it's like, dude, worse, this is like the one ten. I mean, your team is so good. As someone that hears that, you're like, you know what, You're right, Like, my team is that good. So psychologically I love that in trade conversations, I think it works actually.
Quite digs in two leagues, and one of them I held on because I had the stack and I'm just sitting here not knowing what to do because I don't have the stack. Another one, I did what you said, I traded him. I was able to get assets, and then I was able to Eventually that team got worse, became the one oh five in a superflex and became Roma Doon Day. So it's like you can make that kind of stuff happen. You need some patience. And Jason, is this kind of like your this is one of your mos is like be okay, trading a year too early?
Yeah, I think you've got to balance that with what what I said earlier about you still need to win now and have Fantasy points now, but hopefully over a long term. If you're doing this constantly over the years, you should not just have like all of your players be old, you know. You should have some some veterans, some young guys, and some old guys, and then you cycle them through and when the aging, you know, when they get near that thirty, those superstars trade them for a young guy and a pick and then and then you're gonna do it again in two or three years with the guys that get a little gold.
Two more names really quickly. Brandon Ayyuk where was he going this time last year?
I think it was pretty low wide receiver thirty.
Yeah, I mean he had a good year two years ago, but it really felt like the breakout was this last year. Interesting, I'm gonna go wide receiver twenty four, Little.
Hires wide receiver twenty five on average, which is weird for someone in this stage of their career, Like you know, I know we have a contract stuff, but shoots up to wide receiver thirteen right now in startups on average. So you kind of have this major boost based on what he did last year, which was an insane yards pro out run season and probably gonna get either some extension with either the forty nine ers or some other team. So I think it's valid, but we're very reactionary. I think when dynasty people don't realize this so much. But all of these names I've mentioned within one year changed drastically, and I can give way more names, but dynasty valuations change a lot, and so Brandon and a Yuk right now you can look at us, well, he's like a cornerstone for a team, like a veteran that I feel good about that. You know, I could actually like stay with him for a couple more years, but I don't know. I feel like outlier numbers for him can change drastically a year from now, so I don't know, like a wow, you feel different.
Yeah, yeah, I mean we've got a One of the questions on today's show is who is the stud that you are quietly nervous about in Dynasty? Brandon and Ayuk would would make that list for me, I don't see him as a cornerstone of you know, I feel like, as of this moment, we still don't know what team he's gonna play for. If you knew for sure, hey, he's gonna get an extension, re sign with the Niners, they unload Deebo. Okay, well, obviously Brandon and Ayk's going to be great, But you know, there is a very not you know, it's not infinitesimally small percentage chance that he's traded, he goes to a different team, and you just don't know in those situations if that's good for the player, Usually it's bad for the player. And so I'm I am probably lower than considertion.
I know we've had that conversation Jason, of just repeating those numbers, those efficiency numbers for him is the scariest thing.
It's impossible. In fact, when we talk about he's a you know, we'll talk talk about a different player who I love, who I'm scared of because you just can't repeat certain efficiency numbers.
It's implusible last name, And I do think real quick before we move on with the Niners. Thing like one of Deebo or Iuk is not on this team next year, which one is? It is hard to say. They draft Ricky Piersall in Round one. That tells you a lot. Both these guys are in a contract year. They have to pay rock Party Broke more than one hundred thousand dollars or whatever he's making right now, Like they have to actually pay that guy. So one of those two is gone. It's a really interesting strange time for those guys. I lean personally. They bring Ayuke back. He's on the upward trajectory of his career. Deebo's on the other side of that. I think, I think Ayuk stays, and I'm actually on the other side of where you guys are. I'm way more into Ayuke than I think you both are. And last year he was a guy I was targeting aggressively just because I thought he was that good. And I don't think anyone sall happened last year coming but I think he comes back to San Francisco, and I think Debo's in the way out?
Is it one of the bigger range of outcomes. I think that was what I was trying to point out, is that some people will view him as a cornerstone. Some people could poke holes in him statistically. Some people might think he's gonna be on a different team, Like you could get wildly different valuations in your league for this player, where I don't think it would surprise us if he was, you know, a wide receiver one this next year, Like he's good enough to do it. But I think it's more in the range of outcomes to him to be in the twenties back where he was last year, which is like wide receiver twenty five. So year to year, that just it's a ping punk ball, and certain players aren't a stable I mean, he's not you know, second year anymore, like he's going into what year, you're four, you're five, Like it's it's just different. So I did want to throw out Dallas Goddard. I want to throw out one tight end because his situation has not changed at all yet last year, where would you guess he was going among the tight ends and startup?
Oh, very high. He has to be like tight end six.
It's that's the number that popped him on fight end six.
You want to guess where he's going based on the crowds right now?
Oh man, ted End twelve sixteen, I mean what, I'm good.
I feel like you do have a pulse on the people. And that's what you know when we reference certain you know ADPs, it's more of this is the sentiment, this is how people feel. It doesn't mean that he's worth that. It just means like this is what you could do in a trade, or this is how you could work a deal. But I don't know. Titan sixteen feels like he's just buried where he still has a contract and still as an elite team. Do you guys feel like that's too far?
Nope, he's done. See you don't know. I'm out.
I think he's an interesting trade four target at that price.
That's what's great having three different intelligent people on the show. You know, we both of us can't be right, but both of us can't be wrong.
Ah, trying to think if that's actually true, both of us can't. Anyway, we'll get we'll get to it. We got some debates let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. So we're gonna be talking some Dynasty rankings. And as we mentioned, valuing players is a tricky process. It's not perfect. So if you go on a certain site and you see a ranking, don't just think, oh, this is the only thing. That's what it is. There's so much more context. There's just not an exact science. We're projecting over a couple of years. And so I asked this question before before we get into our questions. Guys, how many years do you look out when you look at a player, Because in Dynasty, some people think they drafted Marvin Harrison and they go to ten years, Jason saying three.
Three. I look at a three year window. If you're looking longer than that, you're crazy. I mean there are there's like a few players, a few they're like Mahomes. Okay, all right. I think it's gonna be good way longer than three and I'm confident in that. But this is not This is for the elite of the elite. This is not something you should be looking at when with your roster and saying I think you know, this guy on the next contract is gonna be what are you talking about. You go back and look at an NFL roster two years ago, just any go find any NFL roster from twenty twenty what would that be twenty twenty two, and go read it, and you'll be like, what that dude was on that team? I forgot, It's unbelievable.
That's yeah, two years, sometimes three years, but definitely not more than that.
And I think with a running back position, especially if it's like the RB two slot, one year might be all you get.
Yeah, yeah this year, what are you gonna do this year? Me?
All right, let's get into it.
Dynasty rankings.
So let's start off talking about the hardest players to rank, and let's just get into running backs. I'll go first really quickly. But there are so many running backs that are helpful for dynasty rosters, and yet when it comes to trading for them, you might have to overpay, and then when it comes to trading them away, you might not get as much as you think they're worth for your team. So there's a number of guys that I have all my rosters is like RB two's. They're solid, and yet I don't know what to do with them. So I need some help it's Dave Montgomery.
What do I do.
I'm just telling I'm just you keep them. You keep your RB two's, That's what you do in Dynasty. Every team needs RB twos and can't come by them and has to overpay if you've got them, or if you if you're gonna try to go get them. If you have them, if you've got an RB two, just keep them. Just view them as like, Okay, cool, I'm never gonna get a ton for that guy, but I am gonna get fantasy points at my RB two slot and my flex slot on bye weeks on Like, you keep those players, that's what you that those are not trade case.
It's tough because so he's entering the second year of his contract with the Lions. It really was a three year deal, but it's.
You're talking about David Montgomery, Da Montgomery.
It's really a two year deal. Like next year is not a guarantee by any means. He's about to turn twenty seven, and my question is does he go the way of James Connor, where you get a couple of years of this guy that's just dependable. I mean, Dave Montgomery's gotten so many opportunities in the NFL and when we called him David Opportunity and his role inside the twenties was awesome. This past year fifth most red zone touches. But the part that I have an issue with is that ninety percent of his Fantasy points came via the ground And if you look at the guys that had those type of seasons over the last five years, it was like that Jamal Williams year also with the Lions that didn't go so well. Miles Sanders had a season like that didn't go so well. Damian Harris, you remember that massive touchdown season he had and then it didn't go there. So talent wise, I think Montgomery's better than those dudes. But it's scary when you're holding onto a player knowing next year he's not a guarantee. So I don't know where would you guys even rank him and Jason. You can look at your startup rankings, but like, I don't feel comfortable ranking this player at all.
Yeah, I totally understand it because long term view is just wildly up in the air. He could be a one year player and the capoof, you know, go get a backup job for some other team that isn't good be irrelevant for fantasy and basically have one year and done. But I would ask you to repeat what you said right before we started this segment, which is, well, how long of you do you look at running backs this year? This year, that's the important year for running backs. David Montgomery should be absolutely fine. I have him ranked as my RB twenty one right now, so low end too, because he's going to be valuable right now. He will be good this year. If something happened to Jamiir Gibbs this year, now, he becomes a league winner, and I don't think people are paying through, you know, paying enough to acquire that kind of value all of your team. So for me, I hold on to David Montgomery. I think he's a very valuable fantasy asset for twenty twenty four, which means even in dynasty leagues, he's he's valuable. And it's not to say that he can't be a Lion past that or he can't find another job when he's twenty seven. He's a talented guy. I expect. I expect him to be with the Lions two years from now, but obviously they could cut him with like a two million dollar dead cap after this season.
Yeah, Montgomery is so interesting because when you look at what he did last year, especially at the start of the season, the first four or five games when they really slow played Gibbs, he was like unreal in terms of his workload, over twenty four opportunities per game in that sample. Then he gets the injury. You know, Gibbs comes on bye week, gets here, then down the stretch just over sixteen opportunities per game. So you really did see a drop when they let Gibbs, you know, get unleashed. So I think he's a guy that if you ask me, like, you know, this time next year we're talking about his season and what he just did in twenty twenty for I'd say probably not as good as what he just did because I expect Gibbs to take a step forward. But like Jason said, there's the un you can't like calculate the upside of what there is if something happens to Gibbs, which he gives you a massive upside in your roster. So to me, I think low end RB two is what I would expect. I think touchdowns will be there. I think he'll have opportunities as a lead ball carrier. But like you said almost all of his production is coming on the ground. It just leaves you more of a floor in fantasy when that's the case. So yeah, I think RB two is fine, but certainly he has RB one upside. Like Jason said, if Gibbs goes down.
Yeah, I would just say, if you are a team that you know you think you can tend, I think he's a candidate where you could hold in hopes that either there is upside if Gibbs goes down, or there's a team that needs to trade for him closer to the trade deadline and his value, you know, hopefully becomes even better that people are willing to trade draft picks at that point.
But yeah, obviously, if you're at the trade deadline and it looks like you're not making the playoffs and you want to try to unload him while he's on a touchdown streak, that's the right time to do it. That's the right time to move on from him to a contender or whatever. Talk about how your first round pick is going to be super low, and you know, get a first for him, but otherwise, right now, you hold on to him.
I tried to do that last year, and yet I traded for him, and then I did not make the playoffs, and then my pick became even more valuable. Bets, you're up.
Let's keep the running back talk going here. Let's talk about Javonte Williams, twenty four years old. And it's such you know, like what he had. Think about what he was during his rookie season, Like even in rookie drafts, he was so highly coveted coming out of you and see broke, Like all the PFF metrics for broken tackles, all that stuff shows you what you want. In year one looks awesome. He's valued as a top I don't have the number prot me, but top twelve running back in Dynasty entering year two. That's when he has the knee injury.
Oh and then I think from memory, Bets, I think he was going into year two, like right before the right before the season, when the hype was at its highest. I think he was like a top five startup running back. He was he was untouchable, you couldn't get him. He was going to be the next young superstar back.
And everything in his profile said that that was right in terms of his evaluation. But then he has the knee injury. And of course misses the rest of the season. Now we get to this past season in twenty twenty three, and we all knew it was going to be a down year for Javonte right and it was three point six yards per kerry, three point eight yards per touch, just three rushing touchdowns. He was out there, but like, didn't really help you in fantasy. Now he's entering a contract year, and you know what he could be because of what he did in his first couple of seasons and in college, but you also know that his value just hangs in the balance. Like I could see this going in a number of directions where he does bounce back in year two off the injury. He's really good. He reminds us that he's that good. He gets a contract in a free agency, and all of a sudden, you've got another top fifteen to seventeen ranked guy entering next season if he gets that contract. But at the same time, this Broncos off could be abysmal, Like if bo Nicks is not great and they want to give these other running backs on the roster a little bit more work, they don't make the playoffs, et cetera. Like I see a pathwork go sideway. So I have no clue how to value this player. I'm interested in trying to get him in some leagues, just on the cheap, if that's possible, just because of what he showed. And it feels like at this point we're kind of double counting the injury, where like we knew it was going to be down yere, it was a down year, and now we're like, oh, it's Jamonte good anymore, you know, like we kind of already knew that, So he's interesting. I don't know what to do.
I actually really like you bringing up the double counting of the injury, because that does feel like what it is right now. It feels like, well, we just saw that he was bad, so now we know he's bad. Well, it's like we knew he was going to be bad off that injury. He shouldn't have been there week one, if you can, it's so hard to rewind and remember, but like going into training camp preseason, it was impossible with the knee and injury he had. Like on our on the Fantasy Footballers, the main show, we were talking about how like you know, when we statted him out, we statted him out to miss half the season, he's gonna start on the pupp He's not gonna be there. And then there were the rumors of like, oh no, they're expecting him to have a full workload and he's gonna be there by week one, and we're like yeah, sure, in your bra And then Peyton's like he's gonna he's gonna play preseason week one and we're like, yeah, I'll believe that. When I saw, my goodness, he's playing in preseason. What is happening? And so he came back from a very nasty injury, came back earlier than everyone expected, and was not at the performance level. And we have so many studies done that's you've done them of ACL injuries, and the performance level getting back is not usually in year one, it's in year two. So I don't mind, you know, I'll be honest. I so I've already started out this year's UdK, at least the first run through. When I was done with my first run through, there were a couple of players I had to tweak because I was too far off of consensus for my own Like I was like, ah, that doesn't feel right. I need to learn lessons. I need to you know, not just be on my own island here, and one of them was Javonte was really high. I was really surprised how high Javante was. I moved him down and gave Julia McLoughlin, you know, a larger share because I do think that they don't view Javonte Williams as the future back in Denver. But the depth chart there man samaj.
P Ryn's coach, he's gonna get cut.
Yeah, He's either gonna get cut or he's gonna get benched. So either way, he's not there. Jalil McLoughlin is fine. Peyton likes him. He's got juice, but he's also not someone that's gonna take a huge workload audric estimate. I know it's rookie season and people are like, ah, but I like that guy. He was what a fifth round, six round or something like that. Like, so he fell in the draft. He's only seen as a first and second down back. The opportunity will one hundred percent be given to Javonte Williams. Now, if Davonte Williams comes out and is the same you know, three and a half yard of carry guy that he was last year, Okay, well, then he fails at the opportunity, but he will get it. And if he's just recovered from the injuries, twenty four years old, that is statistically the not uh like that is the prime year for running backs is twenty four years old. Now he's two years removed from the injury. But man, I agree with you, he's hard to rank because it's like, if he comes out and sucks like he sucked last year, he's done. It's dun There's just no future for him. So the range vowcomes is crazy for that.
It's also crazy to think that this team, I mean, the Broncos running backs were number one in the league in running back receptions. You wouldn't know it because it was spread out so much. I mean Javonte had forty seven, uh pere I had fifty. But at least there's opportunity. I don't know if they'll use the exact same dink and dunk. I mean, Russ checked it down so much last year, but they're.
Uh bo nicks thing.
I think that Javonte if you want to acquire him on the cheap, but if somebody has him, they're still holding on to I remember what he was. That's why it's so hard to trade for players like this because people are still holding out. Hope, if you took him in your rookie draft and you're one of those people, you're.
Like, hold strong, here, hold strong, just.
Just hold the line. So it's a great, great one to bring up. Jason. You have another player who I have in the league, and I don't know what to do with him either in his final year under contract.
Yeah, I mean, well that's the issue, is the final year under contract. Because I think the player's good, his situation is great, but it's like it could evaporate next year. I'm talking about twenty five year old Nico collins unbelievable breakout in his third year. A year ago, he was the wide receiver sixty five in startup drafts, and now he comes out and has one of the greatest yards per out run seasons of all time. Just he's up there with the who's who of anything. I mean, he was so efficient. He let all wide receivers in broken tackles was sixteen. The next closest was at twelve, and he was a very boombust guy. He had six finishes as a top twelve wide receiver last year. Ironically, zero finishes as a wide receiver. Two. That's not his thing. He's like, I'm the man or I'm not. He's young, he's tied to a young, budding superstar quarterback. The path forward is so clearly wonderful for him. In fact, this shocked me. Shocked me because I have Nico Collins as my third target earner in this offense for twenty twenty four, so I have him third in the packing order. But the way that I see this offense going, in the role that I see him playing, he actually comes out. I don't know if I'll say that or not, but he came out as my first wide receiver in fantasy points scored this year. And so if he ends up a really important part of this offense, scoring deep touchdowns throughout this season, they will resign him and he will be an unbelievably great dynasty asset. But all of a sudden, if he falls to third in targets, it doesn't score deep touchdowns, it isn't really making an impact on the team. Behind tankdal behind Stefan Diggs. Now he's an unrestricted free agent on the market after a down year with a one year breakout and two years of you know, taking his time to not really show much in his first two years in his career, where I have a really hard time ranking him in Dynasty. It's much easier in redraft, but in Dynasty, I just don't know what his future is. So it's you know, I will say this, Nico's not out of the league. He's not a running back, right like running backs when you go, okay, David Montcommer. Let's say he's cut next year. He's out of the league. Not maybe really, but he's like he'll go and sign a backup contract somewhere and be out of fantasy leagues like where if he signs a backup contract for a bad team, he's just poof. He's not gonna stower. He's never gonna be a thing Nico. If he hits the free agent market, he's a wide receiver. He's young, he's had success. Some team will pay a lot of money for him and give him a big opportunity. So I guess he should be a little bit aired on the higher side, but his range of outcomes is wide to me.
Is he a top fifteen Dynasty wide receiver?
No? I don't think.
Okay, twenty top twenty somewhere in that range.
Yeah, let me, I'm curious where I kind.
Of feel him right to me. But I mean, if someone wanted to argue a little higher, little lower, I wouldn't wouldn't fault them. To Jason's point in terms of him being statted out projected to finish as the wide receiver one for Fantasy in Houston this year, I mean, I feel like right now and rightly so everyone's excited about Tank del but everyone's like, I'm worried about this team, because not worried as they're gonna be bad, but worried like his value might take a hit or Tanks might take a hit because of Stefan Diggs. Remember the Stefan Diggs contract they avoided the last few years, so he is probably not coming back unless it's a cheap deal next year. And this is the type of guy that you know. Steph Diggs was great to start the year, He was great two years ago, but like when you see the decline happen, I like to leverage that in Dynasty. And you know, Tank Nico are on the upward trajectory of their career. Stephan Diggs is on the downward trajectory of his career. If Jason Staft projections come to fruition and are correct, which I mean they are always spot on. I think Nico's a guy that I want to go trade four, just with everyone kind of worried about the digs aspect of it, because I mean, last year he was just incredible.
Yeah, right now, I've got him ranked as my wide receiver twenty six, which seems it feels low. But I look at the names ahead of them, and I don't know how I move my head. I mean, there's z Flowers, maybe you'd rather have Nico than say or te Higgins. Those guys are maybe at debate. I've also got Xavier Worthy in Keyon Coleman ahead of Nico, which to me, I would stick with. Jordan Addison's ahead of them, Tank Dell's ahead of them. So it's like, I don't see how I move Nico up from Tony. You hate him? No, No, I don't.
All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. All right, next category we're gonna talk about. Man, I'm not good at that part is players you find yourself higher than the consensus, And so I wanted to bring up George Pickens because not only is he younger than Xavier Lagette or however he says his name this week because it'll change, only twenty three years old, but this is an offense that's going to run a ton of two wide stuff with Arthur Smith. And last year he was awesome when Deontay was off the field, he was awesome. You know, is almost three yards per out run. And he's in this weird tier of players that I think people don't know what to do with. Like you get to a certain point, Jason was mentioned like in the twenty five to thirty five range of wide receivers, and it's like, where do I stick Keenan Allen? What do I do with Rashid Rice? What do I do with Terry McLaurin, who's going ahead of him in startups? Like and then George Pickens is this nebulous young player who we I think, Jason, you can check us out, but I'm assuming you have him stated out for the most targets on the Steelers.
Oh, I'm sure.
And then like players like Calvin Ridley or Chris Godwin that are aging so like he's so young that I think it's worth betting on a player because he improved across the board, especially against zone last year. That was the big thing that I thought, like, oh, is that all he's gonna be is a guy who just goes one on one, but like solid yards per out run against zone last year improved a number of metrics that I'm willing to buy in, even though I haven't fully seen it yet. But last year eleven hundred yards. That's that's fine. I get it. It's kind of inefficient sometimes, but with new quarterbacks, I'm willing to just jump in ahead of time a year from now. Would it shock you, guys if he's the wide receiver eighteen, wide receiver twenty in dynasty startups?
I wouldn't be shocked by.
That wouldn't shock me, but I would be I wouldn't bet on you.
I wouldn't shock me, but I'd be surprised.
But you're not having to pay that price. Is what I'm saying is I think it's in the range of outcomes, and I think he's being viewed as wide receiver thirty five ish in startups.
Yeah, you're you're right in the sense that, like, I'm not excited about George Pickens, and so when you say when we're looking at. These are individual answers of like who are you higher than consensus on? I like hearing these names that you know I am consensus and so Kyle, you're saying you are thinking that consistence is too low on George Pickens. I like hearing the arguments for that because you are right. The opportunity for him to come out and be the alpha, that is what's gonna happen. He will come out and be the alpha for that team. It's just a matter of can he do it?
What do you believe in him?
I love his college tape. I think I do worry a little bit that he's a sideline jump ball only guy. So I love hearing about the you know, targets per out run against, you know, zone coverage and those type of things. Maybe I need to adjust him moving my targets.
Do you have him down for because I've.
It's not a ton got him down for one hundred and eighteen.
Targets sense based on the system and everything he had one hundred and four last year.
Yeah right, I mean I've got him going from a twenty one percent target share to a twenty four percent target share. But I think this team with Arthur Smith is going to run the ball a lot. This team with Justin Fields and Russell Wilson's going to throw the ball as little as they can. And so twenty four percent of this system. I've got a one hundred and eighteen target a.
Ir, Betsy, who you got next?
Yeah, I'm gonna talk about a player that I just really like. If you're a contender and if you're kind of looking for guys that are probably values in startup or startup drafts rather to me, it's Christian Kirk. And that name is not sexy, right Like when you click the button in a startup draft, you're not like showing your buddies. Dude, I just got Christian Kirk. Look at this team like, no, he's not that, but he's twenty seven years old. And you look at the wide receiver room. You know, without Kevin Ridley, without Say Jones, they're vacating the second highest aer yard share and the fifth highest target share in the league. Anenter Gabe Davis, Enter Brian Thomas Junior out of LSU. And you look at Gabe Davis, his targets for outrun numbers have dropped in three straight years. He's just not a target earner. Brian Thomas. We've talked about the production profile in year one and year two in college was not great. He explodes in year three. Now he's a first round pick, but he's not earning targets at an elite level in college and he was playing next to Milik Nighbors, so I get that. But to me, Christian Kirk is the wide receiver target earner in this offense. They're gonna scheme him. Looks he was the wide receiver twenty three in fantasy last year before his growing injury at the end of the season, and he's a guy that I think will give you fringe wide receiver two, you know, wide receiver three numbers, but you don't have to pay that price. And for a contender or someone to get value in your draft, I think Christian Kirk is the guy to target. Specifically, when you look at what has changed in this offense, he and Evan Ingram will be the constants.
I think that's well said of just you look at who's earning targets here. It's an offense that we thought would take a massive step forward this past year, and really, you know, wasn't there for Lawrence, but the pieces are still there. And yeah, if you're gonna bet on somebody to see the most targets and to be consistent. It's not a sexy name, but you could get him right now for cheap.
So I like that. That's what makes this a great pick. That's what makes this a really sharp transaction. He's not a sexy name. This is a middling wide receiver to Hohm boring at best. That isn't the truth. That is not the truth. He has upside past, that he has opportunity, he has vacated targets, you know. He I love this pick. I just think if you are a contending team, get him on the cheap. Just keep offering cheap offers, keep offering cheap offers, find different offers, different cheap offers. Don't break the bank for him, that's the point. But just go get him for cheap from someone who has him because they're not excited.
Right And I bet there's some rookies that they're saying, oh, I see the potential in you know Zabe Lagat or Ricky Piersall that we're taking the first round that right now are going in the second round. Would you rather have those guys or Christian Kirk. If you're a contender, Oh it's Kirk.
Yeah, that's that's really that's very interesting way to put it. Because if you're a contender, Christian Kirk's going.
To help you, and you know, Ricky Pearsoll's out of the league in a year, you know, so who knows?
Sorry, I gotta stop.
Are you? Are you really anti Ricky Piersoll? I brought him up so long ago as one of my favorites and you were blown away.
You're like, I saw his ages. You just don't like that he didn't watch a single snap?
Is he is the most ageist dynasty manager I know, a rookie prospect manager. And the truth is, I mean it's usually.
It's funny because I like veterans that are older, Like I like Christian Kirk. Twenty seven doesn't bother me at all, but Ricky.
Pearsall well, once they've proved.
But like, here's the problem.
Yeah, when rookies are beating up on when you've got eighteen year olds, seventeen year olds, eighteen year olds, nineteen year olds, twenty year olds in college and then all of a sudden, you break out at twenty three as a man playing against eighteen year olds. It's like, Okay, well, why couldn't you do that earlier? It makes complete sense if you break out as an eighteen year old playing against some of those twenty twenty one, twenty two year olds, Okay, dude, you've got more chance of succeeding. I mean, breakout man.
That's why, like I said, George Pickens is younger than these dudes, and he's been in the lead and we've seen him like have some moments. I will say, Ricky Pearsall gives off the I'm the coolest guy in the room vibes, and that is uh, that is a list that I don't like people to be on.
I will agree with that. That is that is a that is a non scientific.
True styles model.
Actually, all right, per Kyle, Yeah, is that is that in your model?
Is the es I missed something?
Yeah?
Vibe total total vibes thing. All right, Jason, I've taken your advice on this pick in a couple of leagues and I'm I'm loving it.
Congratulations, It's gonna work out really well for you. The player that I am higher than consensus on is Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is well he's really good at football. He's not Patrick Mahomes, he's not Josh Allen. He's not gonna be, you know, one of the best three players in the league. But he's a very very good quarterback. And not only is a very good quarterback, more importantly, he is a very valuable fantasy quarterback. He is a true dual threat. You know, I've got him as the quarterback five versus right now, I think consensus is around quarterback eleven. This is the guy who's twenty six years old. He signed a five year, two hundred and thirty five million dollar extension with one hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed. He is a franchise quarterback that is young, that is dual threat. Last year, last year, coming off of the ACL injury, yeah, he missed the first half, but from Week ten to on, he was the quarterback nine in points per game. Do you want to know who his top three wide receiver targets were? Greg Dortch, Michael Wilson, and ron Dale Moore. Those were his top three during that stretch. His top three targets. Now you've got say Jones visiting the team today. I don't know, but they're still looking at other guys. Obviously, they brought in Marvin Harrison Junior, a future Hall of Famer. He's a year removed from the ACL injury. He is always every game he plays. He's a good fantasy asset. I'm a Cardinal fan. I watch the games. I'm frustrated. Man. I'm not saying I love Kyler the player, Like sometimes he just doesn't take what's given to him. The way he runs is funny looking and annoying. But there is not a frequent game where he's on the field for fantasy purposes where he is not valuable, and he is not valued like that. He's young, he's under contract, he's on an ascending offense. He's dual threat. There's nothing to not love about Kyler for fantasy.
He's been on our trade targets list each of the last two years that Mike's brought him up to and I feel like the windows closing where.
Yeah, well it's it's gonna close really quick soon. I mean last year he was on our trade potograph because of the injury because he was left for Tad. And I understand that some players can't have a quarterback miss half the season, but when you got him last year cost you nothing. It was so easy to get him. Now I still think it's decently easy to get him, but by the end of this year, you're not going to be able to easily pay it.
Yeah, it's one of those players that since he's been in the league, he's averaged twenty Fantasy points per game in four games. If you knew you were getting twenty Fantasy points per game, and that's in four point I mean that is that is just a solid floor.
That's outstanding.
I'm gonna give us some quick hitters here where we're just gonna get to names and players based on startup rankings that were either scared of or players that you can add, or players that are cheap. And all I really want is just from you guys, just to say like I'm with you or I think you're crazy. So this first category is a stud you are quietly nervous about Dynasty And I wanted to bring up Tyreek Hill, and I just say, first, I'm not a Tyreek Hill manager anywhere, so maybe I'm just you know, feeling this for other people. But thirty years old and Cheetah years that's three undred and thirty three years old. If you needed that math. He's under contract for two more years. He says he wants to play in Miami and be there for two years, but things change the NFL. We talk about that all the time. Is he immune guys because of his playing style? Because I look at every other wide receiver Julio Hopkins, Adams Diggs and once you got to age thirty, you had a year and then it was gone. Is he just different and I should ignore it?
Yeah? He is? You should now. I don't have a problem if this is one of those guys you want to trade for, if you can get a true young stud in a first. But it's hard to get a young stud and a first. Maybe someone will do that for Tyreek, But I'm not worried about I think you're gonna get two great years of Tyreek and he's gonna be.
To Drake London in a first.
Do that, okay, if you can.
I think I think you need to find somebody that is not yet just like elite, elite, elite, that someone still has to be like I haven't fully seen it yet. You can see the path, but.
Yeah, or or you can do and this is a little bit more rare but you could do the style of like would you trade Tyreek and a first for ceedee lamb.
I think I would.
I would because I would do that and that you might be able to get.
Done makes sense?
Makes sense?
Bets all right, Bets.
You m terrified of Josh Shacobs. I mean the writing is on the wall that I think we all can agree. We saw the best season that we'll ever see from Josh Shacobs in the NFL, which was a couple of years ago when he was the rushing leader in the NFL out of nowhere. That was the year like in Redraft who was going like the eighth round, right, remember that. But he's twenty six years old. He's entering your six in the league. Which is an important data point because I want to plug Marvin ella Quinn's Dynasty Life article. It's in the UdK plus as part of the Dynasty Pass. Like the most frequent you know, phases of a player's career that they start to hit the decline. It is year six and year seven. This goes back to two thousand, so we have a pretty big example of when this happens for running backs. It's right now in this player's archetype again, twenty six years old. It doesn't sound old, but he's approaching that point. I mean, you look at what he did last year. You know, Ian Hart's put this out on Twitter. It's such a good comparison. Like yards were carry he was the same as Ezekiel Elliott last year. Yards after contact per attempt, he was worse than Ezekiel Elliott, worse in miss tackles, force per attempt, worse, and explosive rush rate. Like he was just terrible last year. And you're gonna say to yourself, like, look, that was a one down year, Like he'll bounce back this year. I know he will. I know he will, but sometimes these players just don't bounce back. The thing that is absolutely terrifying about him, and we talked about on the show already, is just you see four years, forty eight million dollars. But the reality of the contract is that it's more just a one year deal and if it goes well, they'll keep him round it. If not, I think he's gone. So Josh Jacobs value right now is pretty high. I could see it falling off a cliff if things don't go well this year.
I agree, Yeah, they can get out of his contract after this year. If it falls off a cliff, it's over for him. He scares me. He could obviously be great. He's going to a great offense, awesome opportunity, and he has been a bounce back and forth player where it's like goodyear bad, you're good year bad, You're goodyear, bad year. So now maybe we're on to the good year. We'll find out the player that terrifies me, and anyone listening to the show knows, I love this player. I love his fit for the system. I think he's outrageously talented, and I am in personally, I am saying yes to Devon a Chan He's awesome. But boy, oh boy, does he terrified the tarnations out of me. You cannot be this efficient. I don't care who you are. You're not you know, you're not rushing for nine. What did he have is? Uh? Yards per care last year was I believe seven hundred yards per carry seven point eight. You're not doing that. I mean, you the best players the Jamal Charles is like, oh, you're you're breaking that five barrier. Whether he'll have enough workload to meet the efficiency and stay healthy that those three tiers just really scare me with them. I'm still on the gamble.
I hope they use him as this do it all slot option guy, because like that's where he was. I mean, he's fun, he's fun anywhere on the field, but he lined up in the slot thirty five percent of his pass plays. It was the highest among running backs. Is it's different and we love McDaniel because whatever he's going out there is not normal.
I do love that, but that means that like the Malik Washington Odell Beckham junior trying to right upgrade who might be in the slot is like, don't do that. Just put the von A Chan there. What do you doing?
They are the Dynasty team that just said, like let's get as many guys. I don't know how it's gonna work with Jalen Wright or you know, all these dudes, but like they just loaded up on speed and said, let's figure it out. Give me a cheap quarterback two in superflex, so somebody that's in a startup or somebody could acquire on the cheap. And I personally don't like trading for QB threes. I just think it's kind of a you know, like you're playing for floor outcome. You're basically saying, I get my two guys are gonna get hurt. But I did a question out there and I just said, okay, who won super Flex League last year? In Dynasty? And the thread was a bunch of rando dudes. I mean, you could win with anybody in super Flex. I mean last year it was Flacco at the very end, but teams are winning with Gardner Minshew. Teams were winning with every combination. So I think Bryce Young is cheaper than what he needs to be because I'm at least leaving the door open not only that he could be better than last year, but better than QB twenty four. That the pendulum swung from what did I say, Like he's QB ten or eleven in startups too Now it's too far. I think he could finish the year QB fifteen and in a super Flex league that could work. Now, whoever drafted him last year probably is gonna hold on and wait because they're kicking themselves for not getting Stroud. But I think he's too cheap. And I also want to say Will Levis.
Oh, I would I have Will Levis ranked higher than Bryce Young and startup drafts. I would rather have Will Levis than.
Who has the bigger chance. I mean the ceiling is you're saying is with Levis, Like he could finish.
The ceiling is with Levis. I think the probability of success is with Levis. The only thing that is on the side of Bryce Young is the rope, like his leash is much much. He was the number one pick. If both these guys suck this year, Bryce Young is a starter next year. If Will Levis sucks this year, Will Levis is done.
No, that's maybe a good point. But both of them, I think are cheaper than they need to be, and you could acquire them bets.
Kyle loves Bryce Young. Just let everyone know that my guy that I'm gona throw it as Jared Goff, who you know right now feels like kind of this middling option that you're like, is there really any ceiling there? This guy's been the quarterback ten and the quarterback seven the last two years in Detroit. They love this guy like they love this guy and what he does for their offense and how he fits. It's perfect for the offensive scheme. Ben Johnson is back for another year that you see a big extensions coming up. They just signed Amarad to a long term deal. Jamison Williams is finally healthy for the off season. We'll see all on that last. Sam Laporta is taking a year two leap. Jaber Gibbs has taken a year two leap. Like everything in this offense is trending in the right direction. He plays in a dome. Jared Goff to me, is like the perfect guy you can trade for at like a quarterback fifteen price tag, but he might give you top ten numbers because of how good this offense is.
Yeah, Jared Goff as a well. He he ruined Hindon Hooker. He said, you could drop Hendon Hooker. You're not getting a chance. My guy that I'm gonna pick up fun trading for a quarterback two is a very irrelevant player. It is Brock Purdy, also known as the quarterback six last year, which might be surprised to you. Also, in my UdK rankings is currently a top ten quarterback and if the we I mean, I've got him statured right now with the weapons all in tow So if he's got Ayuk, he's got Samuel, he's got Piersall, he's got Kittle and McCaffrey, yeah. I mean he's going to be extremely efficient with touchdowns again, but he doesn't cost as much as his value is, So Brock Purdy would be my art.
Once again, Dynasty is all about valuation and he is not perceived that way, so you can get it for the cheap, all right. I want to give us one more category because people are either doing startups or they're shaving down their rosters right now looking at their teams and saying, hey, I got to make way for rookies. So I want you guys. I'm calling this the roster dumpage section roster dumpage category. So which player are you no longer rostering? Basically telling people in startups like, don't do it, and then we'll roast you for doing it, because I mean there's a case for anybody. I mean, he could, there's a path for him. So Jason, you go first, because this one is discuss ault.
Yeah. I finally did it the day before my birthday. I finally dropped Terris Marshall Junior. When I did it a lot of times, would you finally let go of someone? It feels real good, and I'm not gonna lie to you. It didn't it did? It felt bad? I was like, oh, man, I still hope he succeeds. But Terris Marshall Junior, who I think is still like twelve years old. Yeah, I just couldn't do it. I don't believe in Bryce Young and he obviously the team doesn't believe in Taris Marshall. They've drafted multiple players ahead of him. He hasn't had a great opportunity. He's still twenty.
Three second round pick.
Jason, I mean he's he's a second He's a second round pick. He's a second round pick that is younger than some of the current rookies coming in. You can't drop that guy.
No, and and the production profile he was there at LSU. I mean, what a touchdown. I can't believe he's gonna find a new team, Jason, You're gonna feel terrible.
It's in the United Football I hope so, man, that's he's going to crush it in the UFL. By the way, does Terrace Marshall give you like Brian Thomas junior vibes Kyle, because then you make that comp during the prospect season.
Well, I mean it's it's the LSU thing of like playing second fiddle, getting the touchdowns, being a junior, you know.
All those it was, Yeah, it was really scary. Honestly, I feel like I had poorly biased tape watching with Brian Thomas because of Terris Marshall junior. Because when when when I watched Neighbors, I see Jamar Chase, Like they're very similar play style, play, strength, bodies type, athleticism like dy not to mention for l you as their wide receiver one, and so it's like it was really hard to not see that. So it was like, oh, man, the guy across the field from him, he's supposed to be great. He's catching all his touchdowns. Terrace marsh Well.
Let's hope that doesn't happen.
Hey, I still roster in him though, you know my.
Team still Oh boy, I recently, you know, there's not a lot of things in my life that caused me a lot of stress, but trying to roster Kadarius Tony has been one of those things. When I dropped him the other day, that was the best feeling in the world. I think it's over. You know, they've already come out with a famous Chiefs offseason quote of like we still believe in Kadarius, we still think he's one of the best playmakers on our team. Yeah, this guy was benched through the postseason into the Super Bowl basically no injury, right, like, just didn't play. I dropped him. The writings on the wall at this point, I think it's.
Over, dude. He was a first round pick, but I don't know why.
Okay, but not ever mind what I'm saying. He was with the Giants, right.
Yes, and John he was on the field. This guy is produced. That's what if I told you that Kadarius Tony has a higher targets perout number in his career than Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Ceedee Lamb, and barely ahead of aman Ra What if I told you that.
I would say that that's awesome for him.
Yeah, he's done.
Dude.
What a waste of a pick. By the way, I mean, I hate trolling on any NFL team, but come on, this was a terrible, terrible pick from a production profile.
To when they made it, the whole world was like, what are you doing? And then it turned out the whole world was right.
That the Giants that was the That was the last draft that he basically never traded before finally trades back and decides to get Tony, Yeah, I think, I mean you can drop him. Somebody will pick him up because of the name, because of the team.
Really yep, I was trying to trade him for like a third, like you know, as soon as the season ended, and I knew, like when I just got nothing and just declined, declined to decline, I was like, all right, just drop him.
All right, I'm gonna just say that there are some wide receivers out there that you could tell yourself a story that you could pick up this guy. But there is no chance that Van Jefferson will be anything left in the NFL. I mean, he's won Super Bowl, he's already twenty seven. It's it's not happening. So he's gone. Do you guys have a case.
You talk about the wide receiver two right now for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean you think Quez Watkins and Calvin Austin and Denzel Mims and Des Fitzpatrick are getting there. Okay, So you got all the arguments for Roman Wilson of like how bad the depth chart is there that still applies to Van Jefferson. And if you're listening and you're like, oh, Van Jefferson's a Steeler. Yep, what's so you can't drop that?
It's so crazy about Van Jefferson is like last year, entering the season with the Rams, there was a point in the summer where I was convinced, like Van Jefferson might be the pick that you need in round fifteen because there was no one there, you know what. Some guy named Pooka Nakua was hanging out in the background. The opportunity was there. Van Jefferson is just not good.
Forget Pooka Nakula. The opportunity was there too to at well. Was awesome in the beginning of the season, and then that changed to DeMarcus Robinson, who was awesome the second half of the season. Van Jefferson sucks.
Hey, he was so bad that he went to the Falcons with Arthur Smith, and then Arthur Smith went to the Steelers and said, I want this guy on the team. So maybe there's something. No drop the dude, There's there's nothing there, nothing there at all. We've got some great episodes coming up for you this summer. We'll be talking about a range of outcomes for rookies and updating everything in the Ultimate Draft Kit Plus. So make sure you join us We'll see you again next week.
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