Get ready for Dynasty Rookie Drafts! On today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast, Borg, Betz, and Mike give tips & tricks to take into rookie drafts. Plus, sleeper picks for the end of the draft, and thoughts on the recent J.J. McCarthy buzz! Players discussed: Rome Odunze, Adonai Mitchell, Trey Benson, and others! Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for March 27th, 2024.
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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a baller.
Welcome in.
It's Wednesday, March twenty seventh. The Boys are back. My name is Kaypergnoni and I am joined by Mike Wright and Matthew Betts.
Hello, going on, everybody, Welcome back Mike from Florida. Thank beautiful Florida. What a stadium?
A right?
Hey, the weather was actually it was alright. It was alright. It was a couple of really hot days, but for the most part of it it did just fine.
And I got to ask you, Mike, is the World better than the Land?
So it is.
Disney for those looking at home.
If you say Florida and mentioned Mike, right, you know what's happening. True, it's it's very different. It's so gigantic over there. Truly. The World is the appropriate name. And there's a lot of stuff they do better than Disneyland, but there's a lot of stuff that they do worst. So when people I've I've usually pressed people on that question too, because I hadn't been to Disney World in like twenty years or so, because that's how old I am. But you know, I always push people to be like, well, Disneyland's better, but it it's it's a complicated question.
Yeah, I grew up East Coast boy going to disney World, and I my kids haven't gone yet, but it is kind of a different experience where I know the three of y'all, you guys are Disneyland enthusiasts. Yeah, so just want give me your favorite ride real quick before we get into this rookie Drisney World ride Disney World, disney World.
I think the best ride was the seven Dwarf Train. It is it is a combination like it's half roller coaster, half dark ride, like a Fantasy Land ride, but the coaster is just so smooth. I don't know how they built that one and why they don't build all the other ones this way, but it was the smoothest. And you know, normally when you're walking by it, when you're at a park and there's just roller coasters going by and they're so loud and so obnoxious, this one is not. You can be right next to it and it's really not that loud. So the tech exists, Disney, Let's put this, rebuild all the rides and use this tech. Let's quiet them down. I'm too old for your noise.
I mean, there's not much financial investment they have to make to just retool everything. Yeah, they could do it. We are glad that you're with us. This is a special episode because.
That makes one of us.
You're gonna get to file this away because over the next month you're going to be sweating your rookie draft. And on this episode, we're gonna be giving you our tips and tricks. Last year we got to highlight. We're giving you six new ones. So if you're one of those people that said, hey, I'm a sicko, what did we say last year, you can actually go back to last year's episode and a lot of things we talked about still matter, and the tips and tricks we give will be on our website as well. So rookie drafts are right around the corner. I do think this is the point of the year where overthinking is happening and we're just getting so many different rumors. We talking about j McCarthy, Can we talk about that real quick, because yes, please do it. Bets. You kind of have the you know, a better feel of like where the betting markets are and how things have changed. We went into February thinking oh, well, you know, he might sneak into the first round, and now we're getting talked to that he could go second overall, So like what's the pulse on JJ McCarthy and then we'll kind of scar to what does it mean for dynasty?
Yeah, I haven't seen the lines as of today, but he went from like twenty two hundred to be the second pick to plus eight hundred overnight with the I think it's the current coaches meeting going on, or owners meeting or whatever that's currently happening. And you know, in our discord for joining the foot dot com members in UK plus folks, people are talking about you know, like what do you think, like are we chasing the steam or we placing the bet here? And it's like, man, doesn't this happen literally every year?
Yeah?
Every year?
Every year there's a Will Levis. You know, there's a who is the guy changes ago? Or three years ago?
Is it?
Willis a couple of years ago? And I'm not saying JJ McCarthy isn't going around one. He certainly is. But every year people over mock quarterbacks because it's like the hype is there, the steam is there. Everyone's so excited. But like you said, just two months ago, we were like, maybe really nice if JJ McCarthy was the top fifteen guy, right, and now we're like second overall, Hey, maybe they go number one over It's like, come on, guys, let's just take a step back. Let's just take a step back and remember kind of where we're at. So I'd be surprised, is all I'll say.
I feel like most of the mock drafts either have him to the Vikings at eleven, like they've already assumed the Vikings are trading up, or they penciled him in at one of those you know, you know, two or three recently. But that's there's just so much talk right now, even you know, mock drafts were seeing We're like, oh, the Cardinals are going to trade away Kyler Murray and they're it's like.
I will not I will not even acknowledge that mock draft.
I'm I'm begging and if I mock drafters to a stop predicting so many trades and b make them realistic. Kyler Murray is the quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals. Well, it was this particular one.
If I assume we're all talking about the same one. Yeah, it was Kyler Murray. Who Opinions on Kyler Murray are pretty wide ranging. I would, I'll admit that, but I think that Kyler Murray, in my opinion, is a he is a franchise quarterback. Like that's his level. He's not just a starter. I think he's a franchise quarterback. And I think that that is like not everyone has that opinion, but there's enough of that opinion. And this trade was Kyler Murray, franchise quarterback and a third rounder to get what pick eleven in the NFL draft. Like, guys, we've we've seen what quarterbacks cost in draft picks. We've seen what old quarterbacks who like you, like when the Kansas City Chiefs are everyone knows they're getting rid of Alex Smith and then what they get like two two's and you're and you're talking about Kyler Murray, young franchise quarterback can get a first I mean, come on, come on that time of here.
Yeah, Mark March, the time is the time for hot farts because you got to put out something. And I purposely chose for us to talk about this topic today about rookie draft because we're in this season where you're just overthinking almost every single decision. So my question for us about JJ McCarthy is, does it really changed how you feel about him fantasy wise? If let's say we do get four quarterbacks in the top I don't know, seven, eight picks whatever, does it really change your view about fantasy compared to May and Daniel's.
For him, I think I'll go ahead, betch I'll let you go first.
I was gonna say. I think for me, it just gives you a little bit more confidence that like, this is probably not a one year like, yeah, we'll take him, you know, if he falls to twelve or thirteen or or whatever the teams are that or they don't have it off the top of my head, but wherever he falls, and it's like, oh yeah, the Bikings just snagged him and he fell, Like then maybe they give him one year and kind of see if the Vikings in fact do give up their two first round picks and go up, you know, to four or five or whatever and grab him, like they're clearly making an investment not just for this year, but I think for next year, to say you've got two years to be the guy. We we'll see what you can do. So, I think it gives me a little more confidence just in general in the outlook for this year and next year. But as far as like where he goes, as far as the ranking of those quarterbacks, assuming it is you know, one, two, three, four off the board, I think I'd still take the rushing upside of Jade Daniels. I still think May. There's a lot of smoke right now about the NFL not being in love with May. I don't get it. Personally. I still think May is a really good prospect.
Yeah, I agree with Betts that it just it gives you more security knowing you aren't just totally from a longevity standpoint, you're not setting your rookie pick on fire. But I mean, we're going to talk about locations of draft locations for this, but I would say if JJ McCarthy goes to the Minnesota Vikings in particular, it's that's pretty hard to not get excited about playing with the best wide receiver in the NFL, A first round wide receiver taken last year, Hawkinson coming back off of his injury, Like that's a that's a strong trio of people to pass to. And if you're if you're going to put put up any sort of fantasy points, being a more of the proto type of like, you're not getting all the points from your legs. You got to have dudes who can ball out, so it would be it would mess up how people are thinking about rookie quarterbacks for sure, that particular landing spot for McCarthy.
Yes, And with McCarthy, you know, the biggest thing is we just didn't see many dropbacks compared to the other players who are getting thirty plus dropbacks a week. So there is a lot still unknown. But if you want to go back to our quarterback episodes, we went through and evaluated every single player, and I think we all came away saying, wow, I like McCarthy more than I thought I would like. We all came into it saying, like, okay, well they won the National championship. What was really there was he a game manager and he was more than that. So I think all of us, like McCarthy, I think we'd be shocked if you went number two overall. But yeah, Minnesota is probably the best landing spot. If you want our rookie rankings, they are there in the Ultimate Draftkit. You can go to UdK plus dot com, Rookie Rankings, startup Rankings. I've been looking through our startup rankings this week of just finding out, okay, this is where things shook out after free agency, like this is your take on this backfield and so so much changes. Make sure you go to udkplus dot com if you want all of that. But let's talk about some.
Rookie picks, tips and tricks.
I like this show because I never have any idea what drop Kyle is going to use for these segments.
I also love it because your past self didn't know that it would be used on a different show.
I I don't even remember making that.
Was it you? Was it an alternateself?
At this point? Who knows?
Before we get into our tips and trip I wanted to ask what rookie picks you personally hold on to, and I kind of knew where Mike was gonna go with his answer.
I hold on to the Championship Trophy, which I had to sell. Basically, I have a third rounder this year in the main Dynasty League, in the in the Dino Junior that we reference a lot. That's the team that Jason and I manage. I think we are the one to oh nine and we hold incredible amounts of regrets because we we just inputed everyone's draft pick, like, we got the draft orders all set up for the league so everyone can start, you know, making the arrangements. And Kyle, we had been offered a trade right before the season started, yet again of one manager in our league wanting to just do the head to head. I love that trade first, like it's a full bet on your team. I'm gonna trade my first to you because I think my team will be better than yours at the the end of the year, which we did that two years ago, won a championship and then we were able to we were at like the one oh seven or something I think, and we ended up with eight flowers. We were offered that trade again for just a tiny amount of time. We didn't take it because we didn't have enough time to think about it. It is the second pick in the draft, so we would have been able to trade our one oh nine ish for probably Molik neighbors. And I am devastated.
It is the highest of testosterone moves in Dinas.
It's great. So I'll run through that one more time. If you've never heard of.
This, it's hilarious.
It's it is literally like it is just a one for one trade, my first rounder for yours, because just think about it, whoever finishes better has the worst pick. And so you are telling one team your team sucks, I want your pick, and they're like, no, your team sucks, I want your pick. It's really really fun.
I believe that this happened when you're at the live.
Shows, that that is where that it came in. Again this year, as we were about to take the stage for the Meglis show, I got this. I got a notification that a trade had been sent to us, and we we just didn't We should have taken it. Should have taken it.
That's what picks do you have in some of your main pick our main leagues?
Yeah, I've got kind of a mixed bag. A couple in the middle range, like the one o six to one oh seven ish range, but I've got a bunch in the late first And you know, I did a little pre scouting on this class, which I don't really do a lot of that in season, but I know a lot of other people were talking about, hey it's a deep class, go get some seconds. So I've loaded up on a bunch of seconds. So I've got a bunch of like two, one, two three ish range, which I'm excited about.
Uh.
But one of my moves after doing a couple of the mock drafts on this show as well as in the dynast you pass, I was like, man, it really does. Thought that tier break comes pretty quick at like one o nine to one ten ish. So I recently traded away the one ten George Pickens to a Steelers fan and I think a third for a win out team, and I got you Mayor Gibbs, and I am I am excited because to me that one on nine one ten is probably eighty mitchell ish right somewhere in that range in a super flex format. So I'm all about it.
Wait, so one ten, So what you said? Yeah, super one ten George Pickens and a third and you got for Mere Gibbs. That's that's uh.
I like it two days after the Deonte trade, So just trying to.
Strike, Yeah, maximize that, maximize the news cycle, dude, Dynasty is it's just a market and values are going up and down every single day, and I just got to be plugged in and paying attention to the.
News, and I think just to double down on what you said. The market is arbitrary. I mean, we have rankings, we have all that stuff, but it is no one has an exact amount. So any website you go to or any trade calculator is us just saying we think this is what they could be worth. And it's like, you know, whatever actually plays out in the next couple of years is gonna be different, you know, Michael, Michael Thomas whatever, Like you're gonna see a player valued a certain way. We think it's gonna go a certain way. And the same thing with Justin Jefferson. We've talked about that on the podcast, like, Okay, I thought this is how it's gonna go. I thought Cousin was gonna resign with him. He didn't, and so that obviously changes how we view him. Addison, Mike, you talked about that on the main show, so we don't know.
It's great not just thinking about it now. Of when with the Dynasty window, when you're trying to get a player on your team, usually for me at least, I'm saying I'm hoping for three years, and that's kind of the wind that you're trying to get. Sometimes you need a one year rental that totally makes sense, but it overall you I want a guy who I know I'm gonna have. He's a part of this roster for three years. And then the truth is the dynasty market is like it is not a long term market. It is a very short term, narrow minded market that gets influenced by one sentence from a coach that then gets reported on by the media and we completely change how we see a player. Is so just to embrace the chaos and ride the market, man, use it to your vantage.
Like if you were talking to your past self from a month ago and said, hey, what about Tyser Spears, how do you view him? You know, he's kind of seen as a top fifteen ish running back same year prior Damian Pierce. I he's kind of in that top fifteen. We don't see anybody else here that's going to compete, and so things change very rapidly. I'll share my picks and for the most part, the way that we play dynasty is we only really talk about a couple of our leagues because I don't know, some people play it differently. If you're one of those degenerates, it says I want to play in thirty dynasty leagues. Props to you.
Yeah, go for it.
My brain might break.
That wild wild to even think about.
My wife and my kids would leave me personally. But uh so there's a couple of main leagues, main ballers leagues that we talk about, and I am the co manager with Jeremy al Borland and we have the one on one, so we are very excited whoever we take, whoever that could be.
Yeah, the NFL draft is going to screw you.
Guys up this one quarterback. We have a good young core with Puka. We got tanked Dell, I mean, we got some we got some boys JSN and whoever we take it one on one, so we're rebuilding. I'm also in that Dino Junior League with Mike and I am in the same spot where I just I've said screw those picks for years. I literally punted it for five years in a row. But I do have a super flex league where I have the one O three and I'm I have no idea what the two people are going to do before me, Like some of them have quarterback needs where they could take Kayleb Williams. It could go wide receiver, wide receiver, so it's one of those things, and we'll talk about that in a second. Like your league is different than any other league. You know, you could look at and say, oh, I have the one, O three and therefore this is what this pick is based on ADP. But the two teams ahead of you have a different roster construction than anybody else out there with the first two picks. So just keep in mind when we talk about certain values are certain names. Every league is different, and you get to think about it that way.
Did did you guys talk about the addition of Keenan Allen on the Chicago Bears?
We talked about the Chargers fallout, and then we talked about what it means for Kayleb Williams.
But yeah, that's it. I just wanted to I wasn't here to give my thoughts. So but just because I've you know, been really just cast where I'm trying to have people be a little more cautious on Caleb Williams. Yes, he's the second coming, he's the next great prospect. But for fantasy football, if you're not giving us juice with your legs, it's really difficult to become an elite fantasy quarterback as just a pocket Pascer, but the I mean, the addition of Keenan Allen is so massive. It's it is, it is so gigantic to me to what to what Caleb Williams can be with two true number one wide receivers, and of course floating in the background is possibly like like odoonsay at number nine or is that where they are they have the ninth pick as well. I mean it like when you when when you're thinking about DJ Moore and a rookie. Yeah, I'm excited for Kayleb Williams. I'm still gonna be cautious. You give me Dj Moore, Keenan Allen and the rookie and that's like, holy crap, man, I mean he has a has a one oh one been draft to a better offensive situation for week one.
I mean that's out almost.
N two number too, true number one wide receivers and then potentially a superstar rookie. That's that's so freaking wild.
It's it's crazy too when you think about rookie quarterbacks and I've kind of for a long time kind of grouped them together. But you're right, Mike, like we have to think about him a little differently in the situation and with the offensive coordinator, you know, Shane Waldron's kind of been a more pass happy guy where usually like, oh, they're going to run the ball more because it's a rookie quarterback. So the situation's great. And then looking back, I started to look at trends for rookie quarterbacks in different buckets. It's like you can go all the way back to like, you know, the two thousands, like Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger, and those teams function a certain way. The last five years, teams are letting rookie quarterbacks throw more and more and more, where we kind of have to like realize this is a different NFL, a different NFL that's using three wide receivers on the field a lot more. So at the end of the day, like I thought I would come into this and say, Okay, I could see where this isn't gonna work for fantasy, But if they let him throw thirty five times a game, that's pretty wild, like for a rookie quarterback to see that type of volume. So bets any thoughts on Williams because I think we've kind of done the roller coaster and the last week or two has been kind of up.
Yeah, it's hard not to view it that way with the moves that they made, and you know, a lot of the Brice Young discussion from this past offseason was like, yeah, that's great they took him, but like, how was he set up to succeed? And we kind of made jokes on the show, but like how silly it is that they were like, he's such a good processor, Like we don't need to invest high end wide receivers, like the Bears are like, no, we know there's a learning curve from college to the NFL, so let's give you to superstar wide receivers. And oh, by the way, Cole Kmet's not a bad pass catching tight end. Sure, and let's also bring in one of I don't know that he's as incredible as we maybe thought he would be in the NFL well, but a very good pass catching running back in DeAndre Swift. Right, So like they're just you know, all their moves are saying we want you to succeed, and we're trying to support that. So it's hard not to be excited about that situation.
Let's take a quick break and then we'll talk about these tips. We got six hot tips for you hot tips. Got him hot tips, Mike, I'm gonna let you start first, because this is okay, I better get back to the show.
Shut up.
This is like when you catch someone off guard when they're like, you're doing the popcorn reading. Yeah you know in school?
Got him PTSD over here?
Oh man, what a monster? Uh Okay. My my tip for the rookie draft is uh and a normal rookie draft three rounds or four rounds, and then you have the the super djens. You're like, I'm drafting five rounds of rookies, Like, get a hold of your life, but mine just it relates to I really want to drive this point home of paying attention through the entire draft because the waiver wire running like the first run after the draft, is so incredibly valuable because players that you would like I've had players where I've had like a second round value on that player and they get to the weaver wire and it's like, dude, you gotta go. These are rookie picks are all about quantity to me, because we could be so sure, we can be so sure that we're all sending Marvin Harrison Junior to the Hall of Fame, Like it's it's basically been done by all of us. Guilty as charged. He could, he could be a catastrophe like it. There is a world that exists where you just you're not sure about any single player. So it's all about taking shots, and it's all about also understanding the value of positional Like if you draft a tight end, more likely than not huge percentage, I would say you're gonna be waiting on that player. So using higher draft capital picks on those types of players, it can feel kind of bad. But third round tight ends make it all the time to the waiver wire. They're probably not gonna work, but they make it through all the time. And and like these day three backup running guys. You know that's a backup running back, but they make it through. And these players are probably gonna give you one. A couple starts in manufacturing, a couple starts off with the waiver wires, so gigantic to what your dynasty roster can do to compete through the season. So it's you. You have to be ready, and I buy ready. I mean, like, have your rankings, have your who are you going to prioritize, know who you're gonna jump on if they actually make it through to the waiver wire as you have. Kyle gave us a few examples of the of just this past year, Poka did not get drafted. Pooka Nakua, the best wide rookie wide receiver in terms of total yardage, did not get drafted in the first three rounds because he was a fifth round NFL draft pick. It makes sense, but he went through Dontavian Wicks for the Green Bay Packers, who he could be their wide receiver. Three like that guy looks like he can ball the Mario Douglas, Keaton Mitchell, all of those guys gave usable weeks for a dynasty roster a couple of years ago. If you had the stones to hold on to Kyrin. I think he was a player who did not get drafted. Isaiah likely Isaiah Pachecko for some like Pachecko got like a good amount of steam for places, but there were rosters where he didn't get drafted, like our league three rounds. He didn't make it because he was a sement a seventh round running bag is the odds of him hitting are so low, But just have your plan in place and be ready. Do not sleep on that and it's that first initial run is where the highest odds players are gonna be there, and they're just there that could be taken. I mean imagine you can. It depends on your FAB system, of course, but imagine being able to just pay twenty thirty whatever FAB and you get a third an extra you get a compensatory pick right at the end of the draft. That's incredible value. Look at the NFL teams who are really successful, like the Ravens for years were just they would destroy people with compensatory picks because they would they'd let their guys walk, they'd recoup draft value, and they just they knew how to work the system. So buying extra draft picks off the waiver wire is you gotta be aggressive and go go make it happen.
I think the hardest part that managers have, myself included, is looking at my roster and going, ah, well, I've been holding onto this veteran and I kind of think that there could be a path the end of the day. There's probably on most teams, and I'm looking at a lot of my Dynasty Rash She's like, there's probably two to three guys right now that will not be on your roster within four to five weeks. They're just not They're not going to compete, they're not gonna do anything. So yes, you might get some wrong, but the payoff of some of these guys who we haven't seen and the volatility is so worse. I mean, that's that's what we preach all the time in fantasy football is uncertainty is a really good thing. And for these guys, we don't know who they're going to be. So last year we talked about Puka, you know, in I think it was like June or July, and just said, hey, we don't know if this could work, this could be nothing, but this depth chart stinks, and we think that there's at least some unknown better than Van Jefferson or anybody else out there. So we weren't saying Pooka's gonna be the best ever, but the chance of just having anybody contribute is better than a lot of guys that are just sitting on your team and probably will do nothing.
Embracing the uncertainty is such a good way to put it, because it's what you think about it. Statistically, I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but it's like who's more likely to hit a player that you Are they good? Are they bad? You have no idea? Or a veteran who's now going into what year four or something like that, who you know who he is as an NFL player, who's more likely to take a jump in value and actually produce for fantasy football. The guy who's shown NFL teams for three years who he is? Or a player we have just have no idea, and it's it can be the scarier thing, especially in dynasty, if you've held a player. We all know that feeling. If you've held a player and you go, I'm gonna drop him. And because I have dropped him, this player will now become excellent in the NFL and he will get picked up by another dynasty roster and I little insignificant me, I am the reason the spark for this player's research. It's it's it's just it's not gonna happen. So take shots like have those those roster spots that are if you won't if you're just looking at a veteran going no there, this this player is, it's a veteran wide receiver like Van Jefferson. That's a perfect one where I held on to Van Jefferson for just so long. I clung along to that. I just that draft capital him being on Sean mcvay's team, Like don't I don't what are his stats? Oh they're terrible, but but it could happen, you know, Like it's it's just the wrong way to think about it. You gotta be forward thinking, don't think, don't play scared, lean into the uncertainty that you don't know if a player is good or not compared to you know that this player is just they aren't a difference maker.
It's such a good underrated tip. I think when you like, I've had that feeling too. It's like, I don't want to drop this guy. Maybe it could happen. Man, maybe this is the year. I encourage everyone to go read Marvin's Dynasty life cycle article.
It's fantastic.
All the breakouts. I mean it's by year three at the absolute like latest right, So it's like, man, if you've been done in a couple of years, like, do not be afraid to move on. I was just looking at one of my rosters, like it's it's a thirty man roster, so you've got pretty deep, you know, roster spots. It's like, I'm a good out of team. I've got I don't know, Josh Kelly on this team, right, like that, that's not necessary, Michael Carter, right, like those guys. Get get rid of those guys. And I haven't really done like a full you know, sleep out of the season, but get rid of those guys. They will not hurt you on someone else's team and you could get don Tavium Wicks or Pooka or the Mario doug you know the names we already mentioned. So such an underrated aspect. I think of dynasty rookie drafts.
I think the wide receivers are the hardest one because you look at certain guys like, ah, but he's gonna get snaps, you know, like like a fringe guy that have literally, you know, picked up and dropped thirty times. It feels like over the last couple years, justin Watson, it's like, oh, well he he could catch a long one and it's Patrick Mahomes and things could go well. Or oh Mac Collins, you know the Falcons don't have a wide receiver too, let's pick him up. Last year. It's like those are all the guys that we know who they are, and for the most part, you can move on. So, yeah, I give me a lottery ticket, give me four or five of them. That's what Mike's saying, So BET's go next.
Yeah, I'm gonna just actually switch it up the order on you guys little bit. I'm gonna get my second one because I think it ties into what I was talking about when we were talking about what rookie picks we have in our leagues and stuff like that. And I talked about this a little bit, I think on two or three episodes ago, just as a hey, here's a quick tip. But I really want to dive into it deeper because I do think it helps you in trades. And what I'm gonna talk about is assigning a rookie an actual name or names. You know you'll have a range of a couple guys to the picks that you have in a rookie draft. And the way you do that, of course, is by looking at people's rankings. You can look at adp to get a sense of like who is actually gonna be on the board when you pick, because when you look at the one O eight, you know to one ten range in one quarterback leagues, it's probably guys like Troy Franklin, Ady Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, maybe Caleb Williams, you know. And it's like those guys are all good prospects, but they've got flaws for sure, right, they're not the same quality as like Rovin Harrison. Obviously Milik neighbors those guys the two two to two O seven range. I mean these are dart throws like Xavier Lagette, Blake Korum. We're not sure, right, Lab McConkey, Yeah, we like to tape, but he didn't do anything in college, like Keon Coleman. There's so many guys that you can poke holes in in the back first early second round range, and if you actually put a name to it, you kind of just take a sip reality and you're like, oh, maybe this pick isn't worth as much as my league mates think it's worth. And when you go to someone you say, hey, I'll offer you what I did George Pickens and the one oh nine, and it's like, oh man, I'm getting the one O nine this year.
This great.
I'm getting a first like in a super flex. So it really is earlier than you think. Just assign a name to it and get a realistic outcome of what you think. And so for me, I was like, hey, it's probably an Ady Mitchell Troy Franklin type of pick. There, I see the case for those guys. But Troy Franklin, you know, didn't have a great combine, super underweight. Adie Mitchell didn't produce in college, like straight up, and people are still like Itdie Mitchell could be the guy. So I'm just trying to take advantage of the excitement of Hey, my league mats think they're getting a complete difference maker. Where we know the first round rookie hit rate is kind of fifty to fifty and in the second round it falls off a cliff, which is what I talked about on last year's episode for this. So I would encourage people to assign a name to your rookie picks. Gives you a more realistic outcome, I think for your guy.
I find so much that when we're just talking about picks and we're saying, oh, I got a first, like did you get a first or did you get a you know, the one oh eight, And that's that's this scary thing when you're trading away players during the season, is it's just this ambiguous idea of a first of just like this hope of like I'm going to get the one oh two. So like the trade that Mike didn't make, Like I'm sure you didn't think this is going to be a top.
Three per Oh no, no, not at all.
Yeah. So it's one of those things that when we look at trades and I see them all the time in our discord, it's like, would you rather have you know this player or the one o eight? It's like, okay, so let me just think about this real quick. You know the player you're telling me, or a list of four players at the one o eight. It's just as simple as that. Like the numbers are great, but at the end of the day, like I need to put names or else I'm going to go in thirty different directions of the possibilities. When Bet said, like, who's really there? I don't know dart throws.
I mean, one example that we have from discord, if someone was talking about Saquon Barkley or the one on nine in a super flex league, It's like, Okay, we know the situation now for Barkley, we know the contract, we know the team, all that stuff, and it's the one on nine, You're like, Okay, yeah, I like the prospects that are there, But would any of us be surprised if next year we look back and we're like, the back of the first didn't hit the way we thought it would. Of course not right. So that's another example of I'd take Barkley in that scenario, especially if I'm trying to win now.
I mean, you're not putting Trey Benson's name in there, Bets, Well, well, we'll see you put Trey Bence's name in there, and then it's a lopsided landslide for the rookie pick.
I would still take Barkley.
We'll take Barkley too, too. How how early do we think Benson goes? Just a guess this doesn't enough.
To NFL or rookie. Umm, I'm gonna put Trey Benson in the I think some will take him in the back of the second That's all.
I was gonna say. The last like ten picks of the second round somewhere in there.
Okay, I was gonna put the line at fifty let's call it fifty and a half, so it's I would take over Okay, Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's going to get that early, you know, second round where Swift and Jonathan Taylor and all that stuff.
But for the sake of my pants collection, m that cannot happen, guys.
Or I'll have to go by the draft with You're still and he's on Mike.
Well, I'm always wearing those. But I'm just saying, of course, like I would have to buy all brand new pants if Trey Benson was like a really high second round pick.
Honey, we're shopping.
Like, honey, this is really unfortunate. See here's let me explain this to you, honey. This player he got drafted, and so like's just it.
They all went in flames. What am I supposed to do?
Incinerated? That'd be great. I gotta get new pants. Uh, I will go next. And this one I'm calling use historical data as a suggestion, not gospel. So we've kind of had this conversation. Andy has been on his uh what's the best word, not a kick been. He's been focused on this analytics conversation.
He is much older now, Oh yeah, that's true. He crossed, he crossed the forty threshold and he is he he enjoys, he uses analytics. But if anyone's going to be grouchy about them, it's gonna be him.
I gave you props when we were recording. But Mike, you made some great prostate jokes the other day on.
It was so good.
I was dying on the main show. Anyway, make sure you check out Tuesday's episode. But Andy's been talking about this, and we've been having some conversations behind the scenes of when we talk about historical data, like, oh, you know, over the last ten years, this percentage of this position has done that. I talk about that a lot. It's part of my process, and I think it's what I'm feel pretty good about is I can look at the historical data and spit out some numbers. Here's what people have done. The problem is when we give data like that, it is a suggestion. It is not this is going to happen to this player. I think that's a lot of times what we hear is the statistic we always give seventy percent of the time rookie quarterbacks don't support high end, rookie wide or wider secret production. And CJ. Stroud took that stat and he punched in the face.
YEP.
Now, over the course of time that stat has been true. That stat's been going back since you know, two thousand and four. So it's like that's that is true, but there will be exceptions every single year. And so I bring this up because with rookie picks, it's very easy for us to look at certain players and to bring in historical data without just taking a step back. And I'm going to use a word that I've been using with Andy, and it is stats can be orthogonal. It's a fun word.
Oh, it's my vocabulary word for your for your feet right.
Yes, exactly exactly, And what it just means is it means that a stat is statistically independent of somebody else actually playing football. For instance, Kayleb Williams is gonna be the number one pick. He's gonna play for the Bears. He's a Heisman winner. There's a bunch of different buckets that you could put him in. But guess what, the Bears history at quarterback doesn't actually affect his performance in twenty twenty four. Yeah, you know, like what Jay Cutler did ten whatever years ago, or their coach Mark Tressman like fifteen years ago, and every single quarterback the Bears have ever, it doesn't affect what he's actually doing. This is a completely different set. So we use stats as kind of coloring in the details, you know, and here's all the buckets that Kayleb Williams in. He's a number one pick. Here's what the number one picks have done. And you know it's hit or miss, right, Bryce Young, it's you know, first round quarterbacks, Bears quarterbacks. But they don't actually affect how he does. Same thing with Patriots. We were like, oh, they really suck at drafting wide receivers, and.
For the most part they do.
They've been terrible. If they were to take Marvin Harrison, though that has no effect on actually his performance as a new coaching regime and hopefully and less and less guys you think that there's a witch doctor whose sole job is to curse Patriots wide receivers. So I bring all of that up just to say that when we look at certain players, and we look at quarterbacks and superflex that's kind of been something I've looked at a lot. The hit rate or the amount of time somebody's actually been good for Fantasy seventeen plus points, that's what I'm calling is fifty four percent. If you are a quarterback draft. In the first round of a rookie draft, it's pretty much a fifty to fifty bet, and so you have to ask yourself that question when you're in a draft. This could work out based on this score historical data, it could not, but it's it's part of the puzzle. We don't just use that as here's the one stat I need to draft a quarterback. It's there's so much more now if you want to go even further, only thirty eight percent ever even had a top six season, so it's almost more of like a one third of forty percent chance that you get a really elite season from these top end quarterbacks. So knowing that it should change a little bit how we draft, but it's not the only thing. So we use historical data as probability is a game, and if there's too many of those that pile up, then it's like a bunch of red flags and we move on. But one red flag or two red flags, like, we don't just completely write somebody off. So yeah, I just want there to be nuanced. We don't just take one stat on Twitter and say this guy now sucks. Because I got a lot of backlash from Panthers fans. They did not like that I brought up that Bryce Young was not good last year.
Well, he was not good.
He was not so good.
Breaking look at the stats, buddy, But.
It doesn't mean he can't be good next year, right, we can. We can use the stat as just just one thing. So let's take a break and we'll get to our next stats. Mike's back and he's gonna be a hot tip.
So it'll be funny because this it works a little counterintuitive to what Betts is talking about, but which I agree with him of assigning names to rookie picks. But you gotta be a little bit careful because people are people, and people are crazy compared to what you think they should be doing. Uh, And sometimes they picked players that you had no idea that it was about to happen. And different leagues can be so different comparing and contrasting. So the two leagues we've talked about, the two ballers, the Baller, the Dino Senior and Diner Junior, the first round was so different in both of them. Where uh, in the Dino Junior we saw three quarterbacks go. Three quarterbacks went in the first round.
In the one quarterback league, which is.
It was so Anthony Richardson went, then z Flowers went to Jason and I and then it was Bryce Young and c J. Stroud those were the next picks. And you know who was after that, Zach Sharbonay that which in my other Dynasty league, Zach Charbonnay was the one to zero six. So I mean from the one oh six to the one ten that is, that's a pretty big difference in that first round of of who's going where. So we're saying, you know, just just be aware that wild card things do happen. You can't necessarily, sharpie, and that's why you need to have a group of names. You can't be looking at the one o nine and bets wasn't going well, it's the one on nine. So adp says that Lad McConkey is here, that would be the pick. Like, no, you have to have a group of names because people do crazy stuff all the time and they draft players that you think they should not have. So it's just a you know, it's a short tip, but realizing that and just because one rookie draft went one way, that's just kind of a guideline your next rookie draft may be turned completely on its head, and it can get turned on its head by one pick. Like when you are trying to forecast the NFL draft and you put but one one wrong wide receiver on a team, it's just a cascading effect of well, now everything I predicted was wrong. Same thing can happen in your rookie draft of I am so sure that this player is going to be there at one oh four, and then that player goes one oh three, and then everything is just a catastrophe according to what your plans said was gonna happen. So have don't have a marker sharp eat in plan, have multiple different outs and think about things of of who could possibly be picked, so you know, just the last year is another example. A Chan devon Ah Chan went at the one oh eight in the Dino Senior, the one twelve in the Dino Junior. I mean, it's imagine if you were at the back of the first like everything was locked in, I'm gonna get a Chan. It's there's there's no way he could go earlier, and then he's gone, and now your entire plan has just exploded. So be aware that don't concrete in plans just yet. Don't edge them into stone, have multiple different outs of knowing where you're gonna go. And the nice thing about a rookie draft is it's three rounds. So this isn't like your redraft where you have to have a Charlie from Always Sunny Spiderweb with yarn everywhere of this is what I'm gonna do if this happensode, No, you can. You can plan out three rounds and have multiple different plans in place.
There's a blessing and a curse of mock drafting, which is, yes, you get tons of practice and hopefully you get practice of doing the same thing. The other side of it is that if you're used to getting the same player over and over, you go, oh, I've done enough practice. It's just how it goes. But there's a big piece of the puzzle we have no idea yet, and that's the NFL draft. So I think, especially with running backs every year, we underestimate how teams are just desperate, and I've seen it in some of these yes where it's like I just have to have somebody. And you know, if you're one of those people that got a chan at the very back of the first round, you're like, okay, so maybe it wasn't there for ADP, but man, what a what a jolt to your roster that you have somebody with that type of upside. You could see that this year that there's a couple of running backs right now, nobody's mocking in their rookie drafts. Back of the first you're like, wow, he kind of got second round draft capital. And yes, wide receivers are a better bet, but I need a running back. And it's like when push cubs to shove. People do desperate things in dynasty leagues, especially in rookie drafts. So be open. I think that's what you're saying, because like, don't just write them in right now? Is this is what's gonna happen exactly, all right, Betsy.
Love it all right. Rookie drafts they're hard to get right, man, They're really hard to get right. Yeah, And actually, you know we Colin, I've done some research on this with Best Ball if you're into that over on the dfs and betting show that the market is, you know, becomes very efficient. As you get through the summer, you get more information, you know where guys are going, you know the injuries that have happened in training camp, et cetera, et cetera. The market does become pretty efficient. It's not perfect, but we're trying to do that same thing in a very small sample with about thirty six picks. If you do three rounds of rookies that we truthfully have no idea right where they're gonna go. So my tip is, don't be afraid to question the consensus that everyone else out there has is this is the order that picks should go. If you stray off of it by two or three, you're gonna look silly on social media. Look, we get rookie draft picks wrong every single year, right, I mean Quentin Johnson last year, Bryce Young last year. There's so many misses that happen every single year. If you have conviction on a player because you like their profile, their breakout age, stuff like that, over another guy that you know, again air quotes, consensus around the industry says this guy should be higher. Take your guy. Don't be afraid to reach around, you know, a pick or two on your guide, not around around a pick or two on your guy. I'm just looking at you know, a couple years. This is adp from the last three years drafts that went from April to August. So after the NFL draft over on my fantasy league and like, you know, I'm looking in like the early to middle second round. It's like everyone after that was like, hey, I'm taking Jonathan Minga because he went second overall, but it's like our second or second round rather to Carolina and they have a need, and it's like, okay, well let's just take a step back. Jonathan Mingo was a four year player with second round draft capital. That's gonna play with a rookie quarterback that literally didn't break out until he was a senior, who, by the way, was out produced by Malik Heath who was undrafted. So yes, the NFL liked this guy's traits, but he didn't really produce in college. So why are we forcing him up draft boards when there's other guys sitting below him that have just as good, if not better profiles.
Go ahead, but what if I liked Jonathan Mica.
Well see that's the problem, Mike, is I thought it was gonna work. You forgot to say what if I'm wrong? Yeah, And in twenty twenty two, we did the exact same thing, right with Skymore it's like, oh man, like if you were if you were cool, like the freaking Chiefs. It's the Chiefs, like, he's gonna be good. Let's to the eighth overall pick, which is crazy in hindsight, but in the actual time it happened, we should have said, are we sure about this? Because yes, we like the stuff that he had in his profile, but the NFL told us what he probably was gonna be.
He was the.
Thirteenth wide receiver off the board in the NFL draft, not in our drafts. In the NFL draft, yeah, everyone was like, oh man, this is the guy. So just be careful with the consensus because oftentimes it is incorrect and these rookie drafts are wild. So don't be afraid to go off the board a little bit, is my advice.
I think to piggyback on that. Just the way that we talk about draft picks, you know, because it's draft equity is truly it's it's the most important thing when it comes to actual hit rate of having a higher probability chance. It is your draft equity. But we are so locked into well, this was a first round pick, this was a second round pick, instead of like you said, Betts. He was the thirteenth wid That was just a loaded wide receiver class, but he was the thirteenth one, and then we juiced him up because of his where he landed Chiefs. Yeah, no, he went to the Chiefs, so he should be drafted like he was the fifth wide receiver drafted in the NFL draft. So I think that's just a context for us that we need to make sure where we are putting into not just throwing out. Well, he was the he was a second round pick. He was in the middle of the second Well, how many of his particular position, how many were taken before him? Because that that also says a lot about a player that should factor into your analysis.
I see you guys just want to be contrallon. You got to just follow what everyone else is doing. That is that is some of the best advice I could give anybody in life.
And just do what everyone else is doing.
Yeah, just just just follow and just I'm with you, guys, dear lord, just question it all. I love it.
Is there any before we get into the next one, is there a guy in this class that already kind of has you? Like, are we sure about that?
That?
Like he's already getting a lot of love, obviously when I have draft capital, but the guy that you're a little bit less optimistic one than the market.
Gosh, trying to protect myself from giving a hot take.
Just give it, man, if it's hot, it's fine, you got time.
It can change.
So my first thought is just that I think Roman Donze is good. I think he also benefited from being in a system that a lot of these defenses just so bad. Man. Like I just look at metrics across the board, I see him on Twitter, It's like, oh, he was so good in this area. It's like in context though, he was able to just do the bully ball over and over again, just like I'm bigger, faster, stronger than you. And so it's hard for me to look at some of these cornerbacks he's facing and say that's gonna work in the same exact way. So I'm more questioning is he locked in as not only the third wide receiver, but like he goes ahead in a one quarterback league, because it's kind of like in my mind, you know, Marvin Harrison Neighbors done, say and then okay, so now what do I need to figure out next? And I feel like that's just locked in my brain, but I'm starting to just question it a little bit.
Yeah, it's fair, and it would I would say, uh, keon Coleman.
What he's good?
No, yeah, no, just very He's a very polarizing player because so so much of it is there, so much. But well, we'll see what the NFL draft says about him.
I'll give you mine. This guy's going in round one, which is gonna be scary, and I think for me that's gonna be a huge thing when we get to rookie drafts. Is where do you actually put Ady Mitchell. I feel like I'm being mean to him on the show. I'm not trying to be, but like, he's the guy to me where it's like, dude literally was like one point sevent two yards through running college. His dominator rating is only because of touchdowns. Everyone's talking about him. It's like, well, you watch the tape. You know he takes a couple of plays off here and there, but when he tries, this guy is good and you might be better in the pros than in college. When has that ever failed before in the past, Right, Like we've seen this story that year after year after year and it's like he feels like such a trap to me this year. So he's a guy that I'm definitely questioning a little bit.
We brought this up before, I know, Bets when we just talk about looking at offenses, but like we're very open to the fact of someone just like being amazing. If we're like have some thoughts like, oh, I'm optimistic about this player, it's very hard for us to be open the fact like we could almost be wrong and not just like wrong like oh I'm not that good, but like wrong on a couple different levels for players. And so when you we just know that this first round, okay, it's probably gonna be fifty to fifty for fantasy football, and that's crazy to us right now because we're at the point of the season where everything's awesome, right but the reality is that everything probably awesome. It was not so cool. But I want to give one more tip, and I'm calling it landing spot immunity because right now we don't know that part of the equation minus Caleb Williams, and I feel like that changes so much and I get it, like there's things that will change in my mind and in my projections over the next month because I get to attach this player to a team and a system like, oh I like this, you know, coach, I like this offensive system. But I'm really forgetful. Maybe you guys are really smart, but I'm an idiot when it comes to learning from my past mistakes about landing spots and what it does. So we have a great article on the website if you want to full look at this from Matt Desorbo, one of our former writers. Sadly one of our former writers. He's just doing Harvard PhD things.
He's doing smart people's stuff.
And we're talking about his stuff still it's crazy. But he wrote an article called what matters more for rookies? Skill or landing spot? And he looked mostly at the first year from more of a redraft perspective, But we know we get a lot of information in year one. Can this player play? Do they matter? And so from the major positions, I'll just quickly hit running backs. He looked at one hundred and ninety five different running backs, a lot of data, and he found that it's the most opportunity based position and that skill and landing spot mattered the exact same amount. And he quantified skill as what points were there and landing spot as what left? What was the opportunity, Like if you know Todd Gurley was gone from the Rams, all of a sudden, there's this really good landing spot, and it makes sense running back. You have the shortest amount, shortest window, right you get, yeah, you get four years for a contract, but let's be honest, it feels like it's two to four years of really, can you show what you're gonna do? So it's really easy to overvalue landing spot with running back because we're just desperate. Anybody that gets Day two draft capital, we just want to jump on board. And I've been guilty of this. The best example on Mike's gonna cry his eyes out is is Cch. And I'm not just using this as this happened to Mike. This happened to everybody in the Dynasty world post Combine. Cch was the RB four in rookie drafts okay, so like in this window right now, he's RB four. We liked Ch, we just wasn't sure the landing spot. But then in rookie draft he went all the way to the one oh one ahead of Jonathan Taylor. Because I'm literally pulling a quote from an article that was on NFL dot com. I don't know if you've heard of NFL. It's a big deal. Uh, twenty twenty one or twenty twenty NFL Draft Clyde Edwards Slair lands in perfect spot to make fantasy impact with Chiefs.
Yeah, he was the RB one in the draft. He was a first round pick. He went to the Kansas City Chiefs who desperately needed a running back.
And except there was the whole thing about it was like Mame's hand picked this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that.
Have to have Cech Yeah.
We did. We had some anecdotal stuff built in there as well. And what we all forgot was the skill part of the equation. And like the Sword was talking about, it's equally important.
Yes, And and this isn't to say Och was a bad pick. This is more to say, you know, obviously in light of everything it was, wasn't it. But it's it's weighing both. It's not over valwing the landing spot and undervaluing the skill. It's saying, what is your skill evaluation beforehand? And if the landing spot matches it, then that's even better. So they kind of can work together wide receiver. He looked at two hundred and forty one different wide receivers. Skill was twice as strong as the landing spot. And that makes a ton of sense to me that you can see wide receivers in really bad landing spots, but if they just crushed and a lot of these players are going to places where their teams suck, Like if you're getting drafted in the early top team, your teams were probably not that good, but if they could beat zone coverage in college, we would say maybe that skill will translate in the NFL. Vice versa. If you suck it again zone you can't sit in zone consistently, or you have bad hands in college, it's really hard to do that. Now there's players like Jalen Waddle where we looked at the landing spot. He the draft capital is there the skill we liked, But the Dolphins we don't really know about Tua. Yes they have the chemistry, but like he felt all the way to one ten in rookie drafts because we didn't like the landing spot, but nobody questioned the skill. Uh, what's crazy is I looked up to kill Harry because I took him at the one oh two in a rookie draft.
Okay, right after Josh Joy, you are so pumped too.
Oh, I have a wide receiver with Tom Brady and we know that tom Brady's great. And I found this quote from an article from a major site, great site, but I'm just gonna quote it without saying name. Paired with a quarterback like Tom Brady who has pinpoint accuracy, Harry won't need to separate early in his routes. He likely couldn't have found a better landing spot. New England desperately needed pass catchers and Harry is a solid value here.
Yep. I would have agreed. I would have agreed wholeheartedly back when it happened.
Yeah, And so what was easier for us is to, you know, double count the landing spot. We double counted and said, oh, this is even better than what we were going to think. This is a really good team. And the last thing, with quarterbacks, a bad landing spot is probably the strongest across all the positions because you're being drafted on the worst teams in football. And Kaylen Williams is an exception because this is a different team. But like last year, Bryce Young went to a team that was pretty void of a lot of you know, talent, and even worse, they traded away draft capital, so they probably wouldn't be good for the next couple of years. I found another quote, here are six reasons why the Panthers are the ideal landing spot for the former Crimson Tide quarterback. My point in all of this is to say landing spot is important, but we want players that are immune from it. Okay, it's a good addition if it happens, but it shouldn't count over the skill, especially at the quarterback position, and especially a wide receiver. Like wide receiver, I'm just gonna mostly lean ninety percent skill and over time the good players work out. The one exception that is Tarras Marshall junior. He was supposed to be great. He could have been great, and no one really knows what.
But was he drafted to be great? Is the key question.
I only bring a second round, just like Mingo. Now, Jason and I were talking about him yesterday. Jason goes, can I cut him? I go, Jason, listen to me. I've cut him from teams so you can. So those are tips. We'll have them on the website if you want to get the full list and kind of break them down as you get a month leading up to your rookie draft. But we do have one more.
Segment, take it or leave it.
We're gonna give a parting thought could be worth nothing or probably what's best for us is it could be worth so much and we could look really smart, you know, a couple of months from now. So that's really the payoff for this podcast. That's the payoff and podcasts in general, is it's just a fleety thought. And if somebody remembers that, you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, totally. I was totally on that player. So bets give me a dart throw name that's currently not being drafted in the first three rounds for the most part of rookie drafts, or at least back of the third. That could be nothing, but at least you want people to monitor right now.
Yeah, these are the guys that Mike was talking about, Like after the draft, scoop these guys up and you never know what's gonna happen. Jermaine Burton is a wide receiver out of Alabama.
Mike, you like it. I was, well, I was trying to find the screenshot for you where I had messaged. I messaged Kyle when was this February twenty seventh. I said, new dark, new dark Horse wide receiver. I like Jermaine Burton, and I probably.
Gave some response like I don't like this guy.
You gave a Burton is fine, he was a jag, But I'm dude, we'll see what Let's see what the truth is. The Hey, the proprietary beta very in the beta route score that I've mentioned a few times, Burton's is very, very good because his yards per route run.
Yeah, because he was all he was all deep targets, right, Yeah, eighteen yards per catch in his in his career. So he is a deep threat. But when's last time we got to draft a Georgia wide receiver or an Alabama wide receiver that no one cares about? Right, Like every year we're like, who's the Alabama wide receiver? Because he went to great schools and produced, especially at Georgia when he was a.
Sophomore searching for national championships.
He is probably what a terrible thing for a kid. I can't fault him. I'll take four rings, yeah, sure, as.
All he wants to do is win championships.
So selfies, this kid was second on the team behind Rock Bauers in receiving, and that was a roster that had George Pickens. He only played a handful of games, but George Pickens, James Cooks, and Mere White eighty Mitchell was on that team. Lad McCaughey was on that team. Like, I think there's something there now. He fell off a little bit at Alabama. Clearly not a top tier prospect. The numbers aren't great in terms of like his actual raw production. Like I said, he's more of a deep threat type of guy. But if you go to NFL mock draft database, his current consensus big board is eighty six overall, which means this guy might sneak into the third round and literally no one is talking about him in rookie draft. So keep minder radar. Jamain Burton, wide receiver at Alabama.
I like it.
Yeah, the profile is the boom bust, deep play guy. But yeah, it's so interesting to have a player that plays for those two schools as like the NFL feeder schools. Yeah, I will throw out. I threw out Javon Baker last time. He's like kind of been my dude through and through as like late, see what happens. But I want to throw out Tulane's Jaquan Jackson, wide receiver but special teams ACE and I think a lot of times we care about that. We mentioned that, especially some of the kick return stuff that's changed the NFL. But he has really good marks against zone five eleven. Mostly a slot guy, and he had Michael Pratt throwing in the ball. Michael Pratt's probably gonna get drafted on Day three out of Tulane. So it's just an interesting player. When I'm kind of searching for and mining for gold, I want to find special teams guys who played in the slot who could have a role and get on the field. So just throwing out the name Jaquan Jackson.
And I will throw out Will Shipley. I think we can out of a Clemson running back. I think we've mentioned him maybe a handful of times. We did finally get a forty yard from him. It was a crap I didn't look it up, but I think it was a four four four something right around there. Which it's a pro day. So you kind of the people have accepted you. You tack on like a point zero five onto that. But the point being that speat is fine, Like that's what we need. And he's I think he's like a short area, twitch and quick guy who has like I like his burst, and he's a to me, a great pass catcher. So you get you know, not to overrate we talked about don't overrate the landing spot. But if there is a team that throws a high quantity of their passes or a quarterback who is known for checking it down to a running back and Will Shipley gets there, I think that he should be interesting in your in your rookie picks, your rookie drafts. Yeah, okay, so the four four four was when you add on the just you you juice it up a little bit because of the Pro day, but like that's that is fast enough for me.
Yeah, he's a fun player all around. You know, the pass catching profile was pretty great. You know there's players like last year Evan holl was one of those players. He got hurt, but just like, okay, you see the pass catching profile, you can see him get on the field. He's worth you know, a speculative ad, you know, so we know, I have no idea where Shipley's gonna go, but man, these are fun players to just kind of talk about and say, in the right situation, I could see them being useful for fantasy. It's a small probability, but hey, we're at the point of the season where I'm trying, I'm dying for anybody at running back to help my team.
And speaking of Evan Holt, just give your give your Dino Waiver wire. One quick look over he popped up on ours. I scooped him up immediately. Not because I think he's going to start over Jonathan Taylor, but I it seems like he's in line to be the backup and the backup running back for the Colts last year. Was a pretty valuable guy to have. Superstar like, yeah, Zach Moss, backup running direct backup running backs in Dynasty, they should all always be rostered. So he was there. I felt it was a good investment to stash over these process because if we get through the NFL Draft and they do nothing, Evan holds the backup and you should have backups.
I so this is a random tangent, but I went back and I watched I watched some Anthony Richardson stuff the other day because he was only what like four games. Yeah, and Evan hole popped up at the beginning of the season. I remember a couple of players were like, oh man, this guy's got some juice because who was the running back begind of the year? Was it Jackson?
Deon Jackson, Deon Jackson.
Deon Jackson? Like fumbled was terrible in the first game, Taylor wasn't on the team, and Moss, I believe missed the first week of the season.
He was recovering his four broken yep.
Yeah, so like there was. I was watching the game and I was like, what is Evan hold doing in this game? And I had to realize the context of it. But he looked pretty good and eventually got hurt. But yeah, that's that's a great name. Just hey, throw them on your bench. See what happens.
Is that the is that the first official nasty boy of the season, Evan hole He could be.
I'm saying, I don't know what the I don't have a pulse on how people are really feeling about Evan Holvey, because I'm sure many are screaming there's no way that guy would be available in my league. Okay, that's fine, but just check just to have a little peak. It doesn't hurt you to go.
Look, hey, we're a nasty boy season.
Yeah, we are about to be.
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