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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a Baller.
Welcome in. It's Wednesday, August twenty third on the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast. I'm your host Caberganoni, and I am joined by Matthew Betts and Jason Moore.
Happy to be here. We've got a pretty cool show today.
We've got a good show and got a lot going on around Baller's parts. I mean a lot of stuff that our team. You know, we're making it to the season, we are limping our way forward. We have our injury expert Bets here to just diagnose every single issue with our team. But I wouldn't say we're all at one hundred percent right now.
What's funny about that, Kyle, is that that's entirely accurate. Like obviously, NFL injuries, they're a big part of what we do. They're a big part of what I do. But there's probably I would say, three days a week where someone in the company is messaging me, Hey, Bets injured mankel playing pick a ball? What do you think? The other day Schneider actually messaged He's like, hey, how would you know if you injured your calf? Playing pickleball. I was like, well, let's talk through this, buddy. So yes, I'm here for you guys. I'm here for the people. For the NFL injuries, We've got a cover. Boys, don't worry.
Usually I would say, you know, not a doctor, shouldn't do anything, but you kind of get everything here, and so whether that's just simple you know, hey, I have a cough, Bets. I know that you're a physical theorist, but I know I have some issues. But we're trying to get to week one. And in Dynasty, it's even more important to say, like, hey, my team, it's had some ups and downs. We're gonna talk preseason risers and followers. There's some guys that I think people are nervous about, very nervous about, in one particular that I want to bring up that I'm like, this did not go how I thought. But we're limping along. Jason, you're here. You're gonna make it, buddy.
I am here. I am gonna make it. My voice is I would say we're at a solid eighty five percent. Okay, yeah, and that's good enough. When you got a voice as silky as mine.
You need that silky smooth voice. Because we have a live show this week and in La so Jason's gonna be crowdsurfing and beyond just that, he's got some surprises for the people that I hope there's no medical bills from this.
Yeah. Yeah, We've got a lot of insurance because of me. The insurance bill is going to be pretty high with the equipment I'm rolling in with. So it's going to be an amazing show at the Palace Theater in Los Angeles. So very excited.
If you want to follow us, you can do that on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, on Twitter, on x Jason is at Jason ffl, Bets is at the FANTASYPT, I'm at Kyle Underscore Borg and the Ultimate Draft Kit. It's available for those who say, hey, I cannot get enough Dynasty. I had some people this week that were doing a Dynasty startup draft. There's was Superflex and then they even had tight End Premium and they said, hey, kid, your draft analyzer helped me do that. Yes, you can do that. You can put whatever settings you want, you can change your scoring, whatever you want to do. You get that in the Ultimate Draft Kit Plus. So if you want to do that, go to Ultimate draftkit dot Com to get that, But I really wanted to talk about the dynasty fallout from this Jonathan Taylor news. I wanted to start off before we talk about some of the preseason risers and followers about Jonathan Taylor. Per Stephen Holder, the Colts are seeking a first round pick, which we can laugh about that if they're actually gonna get a first round pick for basically a one year rental.
But they did not get a first round pick.
Or se is just sitting there like, no, this is this is what I'm gonna get. I mean, it's just it's the typical dynasty manager, right, Like I think he's worth this much, and the rest of the league's like, dude, we're not paying up.
It's just ironically he plays dynasty with his draft picks.
For sure he does, but it's just so ironic that he's like, I am not paying you. You are worth nothing, You're meaningless. But if you want to trade for him here, it's gonna cost you. He's so valuable, he's so good, pay up.
For all of a sudden, that ankle is looking pretty good out there, guys.
He's looking good. He's not injured. I promise I had this question all up and down our Discord, and I wanted to get y'all thoughts. It's kind of speculative, you know, when we start talking about landing spots, but it's also super fun for a player that's entering a contract right like Jonathan Taylor in our Dynasty startup rankings is a top five running back and I feel totally fine where.
We have him rank.
When we did the Dynasty Top ten running Back ranking show, you start to look at the list and I feel like this has been Jason's refrain for the entire year. It's like there's not many young Dynasty running backs left in the landscape. When you start going past you know, sixth you know we have Saquon Seventh, Josh Jacobs. It just everybody's a lot older. And so Jonathan Taylor's one of those players that next year might be a different team. This year, it might be a different team. So let's throw it out there. This question came from Dilly on Discord. What team would you say is in contention for the Jonathan Taylor sweepstakes Bets, I'll let you throw it out there. Maybe you could throw out one that you think this could happen and maybe another said, hey, this could be fun.
I mean, we already have I don't even want to call it news, but I forget the name of the beat reporter that covers the Dolphins had said, Look, the team's interested, and I think that that's exciting that they were in on the Dalvin Cooks sweepstakes. They apparently had an offer out for him. So they kind of had been siffing around these running backs saying like, we might want to add someone. And now you know, Devon ay Chain's banged up and he's kind of buried on the dub chart, so we'll see what shakes out. But it's just asking price, right, Like they apparently were not willing to give Dalvin what he thought he could get, which kudos to him, he got a lot from the Jets. They weren't willing to give him that. And so no, I don't think they're giving up a first round pick for Jonathan Taylor. But we have seen this team make some splashy moves recently, right, and last year brought in Tyreek Hill. This season, they brought in Jalen Ramsey. So it's possible. But it's just a matter of price and asking asking price right. So I think that it could make sense. The tricky thing is like we're so close to the season, Like, did they really think they need to add someone? And they've kind of talked about being comfortable with their guys, So I don't know. I think that the Dolphins could make sense, but it's hard to see it for the asking price that the culture portally want.
Yeah, I in the end, I do believe that Johnathan Taylor will play for the Colts this season, at least to start the season. We're so close to the start. The idea of a team in twenty twenty three giving up what amounts to first round value plus a big contract, like, I don't think you're gonna you're you're certainly not trading away a first to have a one year rental on Jonathan Taylor. So the only way you're trading that draft capital is if you're also signing him to a long term deal. But that is so that's double dipping at the you know, quote unquote least important position to pay up financially and pay up with draft capital for a running back late into you know, preseason, it just seems impossible that it could get done. That being said, we do know that contending teams can be pushed over the top by you know, the inclusion of a superstar running back. You just look at the San Francisco forty nine Ers last year. You know, when Christian McCaffrey was kind of being shopped around, it was look at the teams that were vying for him. The two main teams were the forty nine ers and the Buffalo Bills. They both were like, hey, I think we are, you know, a superstar away from a super Bowl. And so maybe a team like the Bills still is interested in acquiring a unique talent like Jonathan Taylor.
It's interesting when I look at the odds right now in DK sportsbook, the Bears are up there, and I've seen that thrown out a lot just because of the cap space and the depth chart. The Ravens would be such a slap in the face the JK. Dobbins like, oh yeah, like I started going down that. And the emotional part of a player who thinks he's worth you know, you know a little bit more than what he's getting paid once to get an extension. You know, they're both second round picks, so they're due for something. So that one would be just devastating I throughout Kansas City for fun, because next year they have thirty six million dollars in cap space. They've never really had a lot invested in the running back position other than that they didn't pick up CH's fifth year options. So is it one of those things where they just say, hey, we didn't get it right the first time, let's just let's just get it right this time from that draft. So that's a fun one.
But it would come full circle for all of us Dynasty players who made the mistake of taking Cech over JT. That would just be so incredible. So for that reason, I sort of hope that happens, and honestly, for real life and for fantasy, that'd be absolutely incredible to see him in a backfield with Mahomes. But uh yeah, man, we'll see.
What do you think Dynasty managers should do with Taylor right now? Like you have him on your team? Is he a hold that you're just like, hey, the landing spot has to be better than the Colts, right or is it one of those things where like, hey, you could shop him right now because he's a hot name. I mean, what would you want in return if you were a tailor manager.
Yeah. I mean it's an interesting question because the running back position it's hard to capitalize on. It's one of those things where if you don't trade at a peak, then usually you want to hold and ride out. So the question is, is Jonathan Taylor still at peak value? When I look at dynasty startup rankings, you know, I moved Jonathan Taylor down with all this drama in our dynasty's He started this offseason as the number one consensus you know, before the Beijon Draft at the NFL, Jonathan Taylor was pretty much the consensus first running back off the board in dynasty leagues. Now I've got him behind both rookies. I even have him behind Christian McCaffrey, which might sound weird for a dynasty league, but I look at like three year windows, and I think Christian McCaffrey's still gonna have a very good three year window with his specific skill set. There's a lot of questions with Jonathan Taylor, but he's still at five. He's the number five running back, so he could carry a lot. I think if you're gonna shop him, what you're looking for is a young stud wide receiver, because you know, I just think about it, like, if this was a startup draft, Jonathan Taylor is usually going in the first round if it's not a superflex, and I would much rather have first round wide receivers or probably even the second round wide receivers if it was a startup draft. Obviously, once the leagues are going, it's a matter of you know, what is your roster construction? Do you need a wide receiver? But that's how I would be looking to capitalize on Jonathan Taylor.
Yeah, I agree on that as well. But if you are looking to invest, I do think you've got a kind of a little window here where, like, let's say he does go to a team where he is no doubt getting an upgrade relative to like an actual NFL team perspective. I think y'all can see the path of the Colts has some fun fantasy pieces, but are incredible this year. We know the rookie quarterback doesn't throw to the running back, you know, YadA YadA. That's not great for Taylor. But like if he goes to somewhere where it's like, oh man, this is a great spot, his value will immediately skyrocket right back to being a top three four option, Like you said Dynasty, but also like the redraft ADP will have a huge bump. So you have a little window here where I think if you do want to just see what you can get, if you want to go get him, what it would take. I feel like you've got maybe a two week window just to see because it could go either direction. But that's part of the gamble that you play when you trade away or trade four players in Dynasty. So yeah, there's still so much to like about Tronthon Taylor, right. I know that right now that it's easy to be like, well, you know, the ankle and these contract issues, be like, man, he's not that far removed from an absolutely incredible ceiling and he's so good, so I think I'd be willing to see what it takes to get him.
I've had a lot of people also ask about the backup running backs with the Colts. We would probably label all of them as nasty boys, and do we care about any of these backups to be honest, like, do we care about Zack Moss, Evan Hall Kenny and Drake Deon Jackson who looked really bad preseason? Should I care?
I will say this, there will be fantasy points scored from every single team's running back position. So yeah, at some point you care in dynasty leagues, this is where you might be able to find players off of waivers. They're not good though, that's the problem. But the thing is is sometimes you have to play nasty boys. Mike and I have won back to back championships. Well, I mean back to back to back championships, but the last two years in Championship Week, we've been playing nasty boys. Two years ago, is Jarrett Patterson in our starting championship winning lineup? And I think a lot of people listening are like, who's Jarrett Patterson? So you need to be aware of those names. I do expect fully. Obviously, if they trade him, they're going to bring someone else in. They're going to sign Cream Hunt or Leonard Fournette. I don't think there's a world where Zach Moss is the season long leader of any team in the NFL.
It's weird that Kenyan Drake still has life. I just want to throw that out there, like that he is still relevant to an NFL roster and then like potentially could be this team starting running. Is that wild?
Yeah? It is? It is wild. I mean I don't.
I just he's one of those players where I thought I had his last dynasty legs three years ago, and yet he's still popping up, like for the Ravens, like he was their guy for a while last year, and then for the Colts, like you could maybe get some you could potentially get some flexworthy starts here. So it's gross.
I think that.
I think the take home is like these guys should be should not be on a waiver wire. They could earn a role, it won't be efficient, it won't be great. Blake Jason said, sometimes you need these guys just to help you, like fill in a bye week, fill in an injury, get your eight to ten points in a PPR league, something like that. So they should be rostered. Uh, we're not excited about any of them.
All right, Let's talk about some of our favorite risers and followers from preseason.
Preseason power up.
People usually clamor nay. You know, they ask all the time, can I please have more of the preseason power up drop. We use it once a year, so I thought this was the place to do it to talk about risers and followers from preseason. So we just had Week two. We just had the Ravens and Commander's game, so kind of wrapped up Week two, and we have some thoughts that we want to share about. Here's some players in our mind that I've risen and perceived Dynasty value, and I want to make sure I'm very clear about that point, especially when we get to the Follers. Dynasty is all about perceived value. It's like what your league is doing emotionally to say, like, this player is worth more because of what just happened, right Like It's like when Terry McLaurin had his turf toe injury the other day. You had a brief window where everybody and their mama said Johan Dotson to the moon, and there is a perceived bump in value, and then a couple days later we realized, like, hey, this injury might not be as severe as we thought. So Dynasty is all about playing with emotions, about toying with your league, about trolling them, sending them as many puff pieces as possible. But the guys we're talking about today in our risers, I think what we're trying to say is this is a player that we're buying into for this season and maybe even beyond. So Betts I will let you start first with a running back that is trending in the right direction.
Let's hope the Bills do not trade for Jonathan Taylor right after the show is recorded. But I want to talk about James Cook running back for the Bills still, you know, not even twenty four years old, He's entering his second year in the league. And I know we talked with Mike months ago about James Cook saying, look, the Bills backfield really hasn't been that profitable for fantasy. You know, Josh Allen's gonna take the goal line stuff, and we were like, if he's not getting that, and they signed these veterans, where does the value come from? But it is very hard to ignore the signs coming out of Buffalo, like man, James Cook's not only having an incredible camp on the field, but the seas are sort of parting for him to really take control of this backfield. With Damien Harris still dealing with that lingering knee issue, Latavius Murray's about to be what thirty four years old or something ridiculous, So it is not difficult to see the path for James Cook this year on an offense that should be top five in the scoring and specifically this past week Week two of the preseason, he was on the field fifteen out of sixteen snaps with Josh Allen and the first team offense. All the short yardage stuff is really what I wanted to see because, like I said, the concern was, well, he can catch the ball, that's great, but like, is he just a between the twenties guy. If he does get the high value touches for this offense, I mean that is massive. So I have been historically lower on James Cook, but these last four or five weeks, like I'm getting very excited about James Cook and what he could be. And we're seeing that too. In like the redraft ADP he was a borderline like outside of the top one hundred picks a couple months ago. He's all the way up into like the sixth seventh round, which I think is right. So I am buying the James Cook steam. I'm very I had to see what he can do here in your two it.
Was hard to buy in, like when they drafted him one because of his weight and also just he never got a big workload in college, like with Zamir White at Georgia, and now it's like you can kind of put your head in the sand and say, like, I just don't think he's built for it, you know, I don't think he's the archetype for it. And then you just look at this team, you look at the offense and say, like they've basically told us over and over again they want this guy to get, you know, a good amount of touch. He's never going to be a three hundred touch guy. But I don't think we really care for fantasy. I think my biggest question is what is he moving forward? Like value wise, Like if you want to do trade for James Cook, I feel like the manager is not gonna want to give him up because running backs really hard to come by. So is he worth more than a I don't know, mid to late first round pick, A rookie.
Pick that seems pretty fair in my opinion. I certainly would not be giving up more than that to get him. And while I am very excited about Cook, we need to be clear, like I don't think any of us see a top ten season for him. I'm not even sure top twelve. So you're getting him as your RB two if you've already got a couple locked in guys RB three, which is great, but you know, we need to be realistic about that. So I certainly won't be paying an early first or even a mid first. Probably I think late first is fair. Or maybe you want to package a player and an early second, package a player in a late first. Something like that. I think is somewhat fair, but I you still be selective about it. You want to overreact to what's happened last couple weeks, even though we are pretty excited.
Do you feel like so, I'm just looking at some of the other running backs we have in our rankings. It's hard because the drop off is huge. There's the old guard that is, you know, a bit ahead of him that we've kind of said, Joe Mixon, you know, Derreck Henry, the guys that are above him in the rankings and rightfully so. And then you have James Cook where you're like, Okay, I think I'm gonna get this year, probably get another year, you know, than his rookie contract, Like he still has a lot of life left. So Jason, would you rather have James Cook or Joe Mixon in a dynasty league?
That one is really really interesting. I would take Joe Mixon in that situation. And here's why, even though there's a four year age gap, to the benefit of James Cook and most Dynasty players, they want to focus on youth and youth and youth and longevity. It's so crazy if you go back and look at your Dynasty rosters three years ago and who was playing and what you thought was gonna happen with their careers, and how many names you almost are like, oh, I forgot about him, and this is three years ago. This gap is not crazy. What I want is fantasy points and championships. And so Joe Mixon, even though he is a little bit older, he redid his contract this year, and the way that he did it, he basically he just gave money back and he did it over two seasons. It leads me to believe that it is a negotiated deal that says he will be there starting running back this season and next season. And if that's true, which I believe it to be true, then I'll take two years of a workhorse back on Joe Burrow's team over the hope that like James Cook could certainly be worth far more than that. If James Cook hits and is awesome, and you know is a top fifteen running back this season and then is young and could play like four five more years as a top fifteen back. Then I lose in that deal, and I should have gone James Cook over Joe Mixon. But the probability says that this year Joe Mixon is going to significantly outscore James Cook and Fantasy points, and next year he's gonna significantly outscore James Cook and Fantasy points. And if that happens, I don't care about three years from now when Joe Mixon falls off by comparison to James Cook. And then three four, five years from now, I'd be like, oh right, well, yeah, sure at this point I would rather have James Cook than Joe Mixon. But I will be like, I'll be pointing to my championship rings and saying, nah, I'm good.
If I had to throw a wrench in anything with James Cook this year, which I don't even know why we used that phrase, but if I had to throw one a wrench at James Cook's just the fact that the Bills, they're running backs. Since Josh Allen's been there have been a bottom five team in running back Fantasy point scorts just like you have an extra goal line back there. So the route that it doesn't go so well for James Cook is that he's just between the twenties. Josh Allen's never highly targeted the running back position, and he ends up with I don't know, six total touchdowns seven and you're like, Okay, he didn't quite hit a ceiling. I think his floor though, Like for your team, I think you have high in flex RB two, which you know everybody's searching for that in Dynasty. So if you drafted him last year, you know where were people draft him last year into the first in a rookie.
Draft somewhere around there, Yeah, something like that.
Yeah.
I feel like he was like him and Damian Pierce kind of right there at the end of those rookie drafts. I think you're getting good return on that pick. And speaking of Damian Pierce, we're gonna talk about him in just a second. So Jason, give me some reasons why Damian Pierce can be viewed as a Dynasty riser.
Yeah. So for me, if you've listened to the main show, The Footballer Show, I spent this off season kind of waving a yellow caution flag on Damian Pierce. The way that the season ended, what he did last season, it was just an incredible coming out party for him. He looked great, he played the part. He was very valuable. From weeks three through thirteen last year, he was the running back thirteen, averaging twelve point six Fantasy points per game. He had nineteen point nine opportunities per game, and it just seemed like, well, he's a home run, he's a guarantee, he's a young, superstar, up and coming running back. And I kept waving the yellow flag because I'm like, well, well, hold up. Historically speaking, really good running backs in the fourth round, when when their team does not invest a Day one or Day two draft pick, if they're a Day three draft pick, even when they hit, even when they are great their rookie year, almost always. I believe it's been a month or two since I've done this research, but I think it was over eighty percent of the time, those good players dropped like forty three Fantasy points on average the following year. And if you go through and you look at the actual names of who they were, it was like, guys, you just forgot you. Like Jeremy Langford was one of them. Who When you say that, now you're like, well, yeah, but Jeremy Langford sucks. No, we did not think that. Then. He had a great rookie year. He was super highly touted, but they didn't invest in him, and so it was like, because the team wasn't invested in him, it's easy to go away from him. And so you saw that with you know, Tyler al Jeer, awesome rookie season, but the team was not invested in him, and then they get a chance to replace him and they do. You know, so that can happen to Damian Pierce. I saw a new regime come into town and they brought in a good veteran running back in Devin Singletary. So to me, it was like, I don't think Damian Pierce is gonna be the end all be all here. I'm gonna bet on history and in the transactions that are being made with them bringing in another running back. But I say all of that to set the table for what we saw this preseason really does say. I mean, he appears to be their dude, he appears to be to have won the job, and in this preseason he rested in Week one, which is you know, a good sign of these starters are resting in week one. In Week two, he played all fourteen snaps with the starters, and this is the important part, including eight routes run. We ran a route on nearly sixty percent of the passing plays, which would be close to elite for a running back. And if you don't realize this, he did so little of that. Last year. He was not used in the passing game. He was not used on third down. Rex Birkhead was the man on third down, his sexy REXI. And so it's one of those things where it looks like already in preseason he was on the field in third and long. He was on the field in situations where he just was always off the field last year. He's talented. I have my argument against Damian Pierce has never, ever, ever been that he's not a good running back. You watch the film and you're like that dude is a good running back. So if he's a good running back and he's got the utilization, which it appears because of the preseason that he does, I'm in now. I think he's I think he's gonna be good. I still do caution, I will say, you know, from a dynasty lens. The argument of the lack of investment is still there. You just got to go to Jordan Howard to see that. Jordan Howard was good his following year, right, he came out of nowhere in the fourth round and he was a solid running back, and then he was good again, and still after a couple of years of being good, he was just exposable, just you know, replaceable, because the team still wasn't invested. So I don't think him having a great season this year guarantees him four or five more years of superstar in the NFL. But I now do believe he's gonna have a good season this year, and you have to do that in order to have a chance at having a run at long term value.
That's a good point because yeah, beyond this year, there's still so many unknowns. That's why we kind of it's really hard for us to project that far. But everything says that he's he's gonna be the dude here, and Betts knows that. I've been pretty anti Damian Pierce for a while and it wasn't because of the talent. I never said he was bad at the game. It was how much steam he got last year in redraft, how high he went and when you just look like Jason mentioned like he was barely used on third downs. He was on the field for eighteen total pass snaps on third down the entire year. He ran twelve routes on third down. Last year, it was like he was third on team. He's even behind daria A Goombalwalle. So if this preseason, if this is what he's doing, like this usage on third down, this is awesome. And I love this quote. People were asking him, Hey, have you been born involved in the passing game. He's like, yeah, because I had to lose a ton of weight. If I'm gonna sugg, yes, I love that.
I am so happy you found that quote. I had not seen that quote, Kyle, the fact that he was losing weight to run routes. We talked about this, you know, pretty frequently. But I love when a running back losers weight. That is when they come in as a good beef boy and then they lean, lean up and get that speed. Yeah, let's go.
BET's give me a you know, just a good valuation. I'm looking at other running backs we have in our rankings right now that are around him, you know, Zach Sharbonay Derrick Henry, the aforementioned Joe Mixon. Is he kind of like ahead of that group, Like is he top fifteen Dynasty running back? Kind of like pretty close to that.
I think that's a pretty fair evaluation right on. That cutoff mark is definitely fair, and you can move those guys up and down a spot or two or three depending on your personal preference. But he's certainly in that tier for me. You know, like you said, not just watching him play last year, but the numbers back it up, right, I mean number one in elusive rating you a pff minimum one hundred carries like above Nick Chubb and guys like that, Like he was awesome and then fourthmost miss tackles and the dude missed a month at the end of the season roughly with the ankle issue. So the numbers losing weight just this. He is going to be the centerpiece of the offense certainly, and you're getting that added you know, second year bump, Like that's when these guys break out, is you're one and year two for running backs. If it doesn't happen by that second year, like typically it's not gonna happen. And so he's kind of hitting that peak of like we could see a jump forward here. So yeah, I think that's a very fair evaluation. I would certainly not have any qualms if anyone wanted to rank him in the top fifteen, top thirteen, depending on your preference for those guys.
He's also just a fun player to watch because he just hurts people like he just runs over He's he's the Chris Carson where you're like, Okay, you are just gonna He's smaller than Chris Carson. Chris Carson is the biggest running back ever, but just running through people and that's it. That's the only thing I'll say too. That type of style is really hard to hold up, but really fun player and even if the team's bad, twenty opportunities a game is just nuts if you're gonna get that for your team. So I want to bring up one more running back, and I feel like I've been teetering bring this up with bets. You know, don't know if I want to. I don't have a medical degree, but I need to bring up Javonte Williams because of what I saw in preseason was not what I was told, or at least what I thought. Just if you would have asked me in March. I wrote this down. I said, if someone said, hey, what's his percentage chance of playing week one, I think I would have put it at like ten to fifteen percent. Like where were you guys that way back in March in terms of.
Oh, yeah, I was. I was the same. So talk to us, mister medical man.
Well, Kyle, do you want to lay out your case first or you want me to chime in because I don't want to. I don't want to sway your discussion.
I actually would rather hear the medical part because mine is just more of like what he did in week two and his usage and just to like dispel any anybody that's scared that like, oh samaj p Ryan had way more third down snaps. So just like I know, we can't like fully understand a player's medical journey everything else going on, but like, is this like way further ahead than almost anybody else's projecting, because I didn't see anybody saying, oh, he's going to be week two a preseason like dominating touches.
Yeah.
I think the fact that he's even out there, like you don't have to look at the box score, just the fact that he's on the field in week two of the preseason is an awesome sign. And it's not just been this one thing that we've gotten right. It's been like a consistent, steady report of good news, which is awesome for Javonte Williams. And I think the fact that he's on the field. You know, no one really talks about this in our space because it's hard to quantify, but there is a confidence thing at play for a lot of these guys that you can't really put a number on, but like I guarantee you he going into the week coming out of it not reinjured, taking a few hits, breaking a couple tackles, running some routes. They might not have been perfect, but like from a confidence standpoint, that does wonders for an athlete. So that all is awesome news for Javontae Williams. I think the tricky thing is that no matter what you think about the injury or where he's at, there's no question this is going to be a committee backfield this year. Something both guys stay healthy throughout the year. And the one thing that I was always I think hesitant about with other guys coming off acl injuries is a lot of these guys are two down grinders, right, And it's like, do I want that if they're not efficient seeing less volume? Probably not right. But I think his floor this season will be a little more insulated than usual because of the receiving work, and like you said, it's not just the third down stuff. Dude's all five targets. He was out there running like wide receiver routes a couple times in that game. And we know last year Russell Wilson checked it down a ton. Sean Payton wants his running backs involved out of the backfield. So I still don't think you're getting a stealing season from Jamata Williams, but certainly I think the floor is higher than we thought it would be, and you know, the receiving work will definitely help that. So I am cautiously optimistic, but we need to remember if he does have a great season, it is going to be an outlier, and that's just kind of the reality of the situation. So I'm more in than I was four or five months ago, but I'm not ready to be like, oh, Javonta Williams RB one season, here we go. But from a dynasty perspective, this is awesome news.
Yes, and this is kind of what we've been buying into, like, Okay, it's probably going to be slower this year, and then you can buy into twenty twenty four. But it's now it's like, oh, maybe we're getting a little bit, you know, a little bit more. I just want to talk about his usage. In week two of the preseason, he saw thirteen snaps, Samaj p Ryan saw eleven. And one of the things that kind of I saw put on my timeline is that Samaj p Ryan had six third down snaps and Javonte only had one. But these two gentlemen right here on the podcast, Jason and Betts, have heard me say this maybe a little too much, not enough really, cause I just this is the one thing that I went down the rabbit hole, and I just want to tell people I don't think third down snaps matter at all in the sense of how we're projecting or what we're telling ourselves. You know, It's it's easy to say, like, all they're there on third down, they're gonna get all the passing work if you just look at running backs in general. And I have an article coming out that's called the Myth of the third down running back in fantasy football. Nice, it's it's it's an opus dunking on people.
Kyle.
Oh, I'm just gonna tell everyone that they should just log out if they even hear anything about third down. Logown.
Maybe you will win Article of the Year for the second time, mister Berggoni. That's my way of giving you DApp for Article of the Year. Good stuff.
Dang, I need to work on this one more though.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm expecting big things now, Kyle.
So, one of the things that we need to understand about running backs is that so much more happens on first and second down than we realize because the plays start over. If you get a first down, you go back to first down, So there's just way more first second downs in general. But if you just look at what correlates to fantasy football points, that's what I That's all we care about, right, is just how does this correlate? So last year, all right, first down percentage snaps, So if you're in there on first down for your team for the running back position, the correlation was super strong. Okay, I'm giving some nerdy numbers. Point seventy nine second down, point seventy four third down percentage of snaps point two five. Oh, it's it's almost like irrelevant. It's almost like doesn't even matter, to the point.
Of not a sticky stat at all.
It's not sticky. And when you look at how running backs are targeted on third down, a lot of times running backs are asked to pass block, which doesn't count as a route, and you're not gonna get targeted when you're pass block. And all I care about is are they targeted when they're out there? And when you look at running backs last year, running backs as a whole were targeted on twenty two point six percent of their first down routes, twenty two percent of their second down routes, and only seventeen percent of their third down routes. So my point is not just with Javonte, but I think it's a bigger point in general. When you hear the phrase somebody's a third down back, like, oh, Chase Edmonds is gonna be the Buccaneers third down back, or Chris Evans is gonna be the team's third down back, a lot of times it's pass blocking, and pass blocking is not good for fantasy football. I don't want my running back pass blocking. I want him running a route, which is why Chris McCaffrey is a cheat code. He is awesome on third down. He's awesome on first's awesome on second. He's just awesome. So with this team, I think Samaja is going to get some third down work. But Javante had five targets in this Week two preseason game and they were all you know, early downs. So if he's getting early down work and getting targeted in early downs, he's gonna be awesome. Do you guys remember was it Week one last year against the Seahawks. He had like ten targets, Like he was just over and over and over again. They were using him.
So I was on that incredible Monday night football game. Wasn't it before we thought when we thought the Broncos would be good?
It wasn't. That was when the Broncos had like five million chances inside the red zone, just kept screwing it up and eventually lost. So what is y'all's temperature on Javante? I just went on my little you know third down diatribe.
It Well, I want to just add two things to the third down diet tribe, one pro and one against the perfect example here for Javante with p Ryan playing third downs is if you look at last year, there was a player named Samaj p Ryan who was in basically the exact same role. He was playing more third downs than Joe Mixon. You know, he's the third down back. And if you look at the total receptions, you had Mixon who missed a couple games, with sixty receptions, and you had p Ryan the third down back with thirty eight receptions. So yeah, you want to be on first and second down. However, the one caveat is sometimes maybe oftentimes I don't have the data enough to declare definitively that it's often, but it feels in my heart that oftentimes the third down back is the two minute drill back, And in that case, I feel like there are I wish there was a way to Maybe you've got the data on this, Kyle, you could put an article out in the future, but I feel like there is value to be had on being the two minute drill. But Kennon exactly, there's there's so many that's when you're not just staying in the past block, that's when you know you've you've got to play fast, you've got to snap the ball check it down. You know, you see those those drives at the end of a half or at the end of a game where it's like, oh, yeah, the running back caught the ball four times on this one drive and maybe got the touchdown at the end, So there's some value there.
No, that definitely would be taking things a bit further because who shows up in third down points. Last year it's Jerreed McKinnon. Year before, Brandon Bolden led all running backs and third down fantasy points. So there is there are certain archetypes of players that you would say, hey, this is what they do. But with Javante, because it's like this offseason you would have felt bad trading him away, and now we're at the point where it's like, I kind of want to try to acquire this guy because I think he's a little bit head of schedule. So BET's what what could I what would I offer to get Javonte? Like it feels like it needs to be a first round or plus something else.
Yeah, that's probably what it's gonna take. The tricky thing is, like we've kind of said the pros and cons of kind of where he's at. Am I still you know, high level take is like I think you're getting a fine, solid running back this year potentially, but like he's not one hundred percent yet. And so if you're trading assets away and you're thinking, I'm getting this win now, piece, are you really like maybe I don't know, and that's super risky, right if you are trying to go in to win this year. At the same time, I think next year Jamonte is going to be awesome. So it's sort of a team dependent thing, right, Like I would feel comfortable trying to get this guy if I was, you know, a year away, maybe something like that. If you're like, I got a couple solid guys in my squad, but I'm not really ready to go all in. I think Javonte is a great target if you are a top one or two team. I mean, if you've got it's been a lot assets to get him, great, But like the tricky thing is if you're trading for him and you're you're thinking you're getting this RB one season, I just I still don't see it. So it's a really tough conversation in terms of his value.
I just want to throw out a couple other quick risers that we have. Kendre Miller looked awesome, looked explosive.
Kind of what a roller coaster with him, because it was like he was one of my absolute favorites in the pre draft process. Then he was injured for the Combine and all that. I assumed he wasn't going to be drafted high, so he wasn't super high in my rankings. But then he was drafted high in the second round, so I was like in on him. But then he was missing camp and missing everything with you know, he is still injured, so I was like a little lower on him. And then he gets back, he's and he's looking good at camp and I'm like, yay, oh no, he he injured his knee, the same knee, so now this is going to really be better. And then he's back again and kick catching that that wheel route was unbelievable. And he is not a guy known like that. He can catch the ball. Obviously, you watch that play and you go, oh, yeah, that guy could catch, but that isn't what he's known for. He's known for being, you know, uh, just a people mover, a fast breakaway like he's just he's really really good. Ken dre Miller is someone that Dynasty people need to be targeting because he's just super good. I'll also throw out Jalen Warren. That was the player I was going to talk about today. He had that sixty plus yard breakaway run in week two preseason, but he was my sleeper pick on the main show yesterday, so I didn't want to double dip. If you want to hear more about Jayalen Warren, go listen to the Fantasy Footballers Tuesday episode.
That's any quick names you want to throw out there, just quickly of a riser from preseason, any other names.
I mean, what a week for the Nasty Boys?
Am I right? Kyle?
Like we had the show last week, Cole Turners out there, I'm on a night football catching passes. Deontay Hardy's out there in the slot. That was Mike's boy. We got some news potentially that Chris Evans is ahead of the other guys. So just a great week for the Nasty Boys. I want to point that out. And I'm very proud of the foot plan because those were like the top four or five names trending on sleeper for the last week. So good job to all of you. But Clil Herber I think deserves a nod of like, you know, I get the love for Roshawn Johnson and Dynasty. I just think there was question marks like could it be Johnson Foreman? Maybe could it be Clih Herbert? Who knows? But the actions of the Browns are the Bears. Excuse me, have told us this is Clire Herbert's shot to b DRB one, So he's at least getting the nod out of the gates. So Clih Herbert's value I think has gone up in the last month or so.
And I just wanted to mention Jackson Smith and Jigba. I almost brought him up and then we get news of him having surgery his wrist.
Yeah, he broke his wrist on a great, awesome play where it looked like he should have scored. But it was another big bomb. I'll call it touchdown. It wasn't he got tackled at the one. But yeah, he broke his wrist on that had surgery yesterday and nobody should care at all about this. That is my opinion. Bets. You can weigh in medically, and I'm talking not just Dynasty but Redraft certainly Dynasty, like this is you know, I'm not I was never Jackson Smith and Jake, but the best wide receiver in this draft class, who is going to be special and awesome both in the NFL and fantasy. I was never expecting him to come out and just dominate week one, Week two, week three, week four like that. This is the beginning of his career where he's playing alongside DK Metcalf with Tyler Lockett. So to me, the fact that he might be ready for week one, maybe he won't be. Maybe it delays his career a couple of weeks. Like No, who was drafting him specifically for week one and week two? That's you, Kyle. You were just drafting him for week one and two.
I have an auction team where somehow he ends up being my wide receiver two and I was counting on Oh man, I know my team is so top heavy. It's not.
I mean, I will say this from memory. I believe the first two weeks the schedule is so good, Rams and Lions. That's all right, goodness gracious.
So I was real quick.
Before we move on from Jason, I totally agree from a medical perspective, no concerns he might miss a game, he might miss two, miight, miss three, whatever. But like this is a guy you want on your squad for the next eight years, not the first three weeks of the season. And he he just looked incredible and it's hard to put into words like he's everything we thought he would be. The numbers back it up, the tape backs it up, the camp reports back it up. Yeah, he's he's gonna be a dude.
And if there is some look, I know most leagues you're you're gonna roll your eyes at this, but we've got to widen up audience, and we say dumb things sometimes and then people come back and thank us because the dumb things worked in their league. Go try to trade for JSN right now while he's got a broken wrist, because maybe a manager would go, oh, that sucks. He broke his wrist. He doesn't even I'll bet he doesn't even know that. He knows you know that his wrist is broken and take advantage of it.
So injury prone all right, Already he didn't just play in eleven personnel. I think that was another cool thing. You got to see him also mix in outside. So he's gonna be a dude. He's gonna be awesome. And the thing that we brought up is where is this guy gonna be drafted next year and redraft like he's gonna be a round two, round three pick, Like he's he's gonna be awesome. He's gonna be a I can't wait. So before we get to follows, let's take one more break. All right, we mentioned some risers and we're talking about followers once again. This is perceived dynasty value. You know, some of these players over the summer might have been players you'd be like, yes, I want to buy into this guy. I like his outlook, I like his opportunity. And if you were to try to trade them away right now, people might say, hey, you know what did you see what just happened preseason. So we're not saying a follower is somebody we don't want at all on our Dynasty squads. It's just they might not be as valuable right now. So keep that in mind. But bets, I will let you start off with a wee little man.
Yes, this is a smaller gentleman. His name is Rondell Moore, and I wanted to bring up potentially Michael Wilson as a riser and this kind of correlates. You know, the tricky thing with Rondell Moore is that when he entered the league, I feel like he was drafted for a specific role right in Cliff Kingsbury's system, smaller guy, slot wide receiver. And then we kind of did see a little bit of him in two wide receiver sets last year, but that seems unlikely to happen this year for a team that I think, as long as Kyler is out, is going to lean on James Connor. And so if you're having Michael Wilson out there in two wide receiver sets across from Hollywood Brown and oh, by the way, Zach Pascal rotating it, because this regime brought him in. And look, Zach Pascal isn't anything special, but I think he's a pretty good blocker, and I feel like they kind of liked that, Like coaches like that in him, but that's their guy. They brought him in. And you've got these two tight ends in Trey McBride and Zach Ertz who we're gonna play like. I just find it tough to see the path for Rondell Moore at all. You said at the top of the segment, you don't want these guys in your dynasty roster or maybe you don't feel that way. I don't want Rondo Moore on my Dynasty roster. He's not the guy this coaching staff wanted. They're inheriting him. He's gonna be playing only in three wide receiver sets, and so I just I don't know. Man, it's tough for rondown more. These young wide receivers who flash a little bit, you get excited about them. In year two, I'm even more excited about, like, you know, Romeo Dobbs entering year two and last year with Rondelle Moore, he didn't really show us another step forward. I think we kind of know what he is at this point. I feel like he still carries a little bit of value because of his name, and there's people that were super excited about, you know, the forty time and the speed score and stuff like that. But man, I don't think he's ever going to be a true Fantasy contributor on a consistent basis. So I would be willing to move on from round up More now. Honestly, I think his value is sinking like a ship.
Jason, you are our resident, you know, beat reporter in Arizona. I mean that's your thing, Like this is a whole front and his footballer is just so you can get inside information. So what are you hearing? I know, Michael Wilson has been kind of a steady drum.
What I'm hearing is Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson. He is maybe the only rookie wide receiver who, in fact, I think he is. I think he is the only tell me who I'm wrong on. I think he is the only rookie wide receiver who will be starting Week one as one of the primary two wide receivers, probably playing near one hundred percent of passing down snaps regardless of formation. Because JSN, Jordan Addison, Quintin Johnston, Zay Flowers, they all kind of project to be the third at best come Week one, and I you know, I could see them, you know, winning over that job. But Michael Wilson is already the entire camp. He's just been running with the ones. And he's a big guy. He's six to two hundred. He's not one of these itty bitty baby boys like Hollywood Brown and you know, and like Rondell Moore. So they like him. They drafted him. And the nice thing is he's been dominating. Granted, it's very easy to dominate Arizona's defense, but still better to go out there and succeed than to go out there and fail. And so he has been succeeding and he had good draft capital. It's so funny in the dynasty world. The dynasty community cares so much about our opinions before the NFL Draft that it sticks forever for too long. Not forever, but for too long. For instance, Terry McLaurin was someone when he was coming out that was not a super highly thought of prospect before the NFL Draft by the by the dynasty community. Now the NFL was like, this is a really good player. I'm gonna draft him high with high draft capital. And it took the dynasty community too long to catch up to what the NFL was telling us. But with Michael Wilson, the NFL's telling us, we believe he is worthy of a Day two draft pick, and he went ahead of a lot of other wide receivers that we were talking about all off season, and he's been dominating and he's running with the ones. So yeah, I mean, if he's there and Hollywood is there and the Cardinals are gonna suck why would rondel Moore be someone of any note or value whatsoever. So I'm completely with Bets. I don't care about rondel Moore almost in the slightest, and you might be able to get something for him. There were a lot of rondel More truthers advocates, people that were crazy in love with them.
I think the problem with Michael Wilson is he's just too smart for his own good. Because in our profile when it says class, it doesn't say he's a freshman or a sophomore, or a junior, a senior. So he's a graduate student and we have something against d Yeah, apparently kids out there, apparently we have something in education, which you know, I'm a graduate, I was a graduate student. We've I think we've all been graduates.
To wow flexing over there?
Goodess you too, I think you both have to cool.
Well, yeah, we have it, but we're not flexing it. We're not like I'm a graduate student.
I just wanted to tell Michael Wilson it's okay, man, I get it. Like we like the young hotness. But maybe maybe this year, maybe in twenty twenty three NFL, for at least the Cardinals what they need is a you know, an old man, an old man as a rookie.
Yeah, and let me be clear, this isn't me saying Michael Wilson will dominate, will be great. You need to go target him and overpay to get him. This is saying that he will run ahead of Rondel Moore and make Rondell Moore pretty darn irrelevant, and that he has a chance to be good because he is a twenty three year old. Uh, you know it is old for a rookie. And he's again playing against the Cardinals. So that's that's my thought on the Cardinals situation. Who's your father, Kyle, Mine's Greg D? And I don't I don't like Greg D in.
Terms of perceived value right now. It's not looking good. Who thought that, you know, Adam Troutmon would be the thing to ko him in people's minds. But I do want to just at least lay out why Greg D is not done. And so so far the story has been Adam Troutman is the starting tight end because he's getting more snaps in preseason and he's just a better blocker, and that's that actually is true. But for tight ends, we actually care Jason laid out this for your mark Andrews my guy's case, right, Like, we don't really care about tight ends that are really good pass blockers because if they're pass blockers, they're not running rout. And right now in preseason, Greg Dolcic has run arout on just sixty two percent of dropbacks, which is lower than what he did last year. Last year was seventy percent. And just to give you some context, he's one of five rookie tight ends since two thousand to hit that mark. That's like a really big deal as a rookie to not be asked just to pass block. He was strictly on the field last year to catch passes. In preseason he has zero pass blocks, okay, so they're not asking him, which is great, And he only did it twelve times last season. So I think what we're seeing so far is that on limited snaps, it just looks lower and it looks really gross. But he did last year. The things we care about, which is he's athletic and he has those yak moments where he gets down the field. That's all I care about. I don't think you can go into Week one saying he's a starting tight end and feel confident in a twelve person league. But I don't think you should abandon him immediately and say Greg Dolcich is nothing like all we saw last year. Is that this is what you want and tighten. He's not Jack Doyle right like, turn around, get the ball, fall down.
Hands.
Yeah, Greg, I've seen his hands, great hands. And Sean Payton was quoted yesterday as saying, we're still installing new packages for Greg Dulcic on third down in the red zone. And last year this team was the worst in the league on third down and in the red zone. You remember how bad they were. So I'm not ready just to say he's done, but his perceived value has gone down. And I wanted to kind of check y'all's temperature. Would you rather have Greg Dulcic or Tray McBride in Dynasty?
That's funny. I would go with Greg dulci I think he showed enough, and I am not This has been a stubborn one, right because if you watch preseason, you are right his stock has fallen. The way that they're using him snap count wise and personnel package wise is very upsetting. It says that it's pointing to him not getting utilized the way that we just flat hoped he would get utilized. But I'm being stubborn here. I think that they might be hiding him. I think that they are running a vanilla offense, that they're not really running whatever Sean Payton's wanting to do going forward. And I think when Week one comes, you're gonna see a lot of utilization of Greg Dolcic. And I'm making that bet just based on the talent we saw on the field, some of Sean Payton's quotes about the talent he was seeing on the field from Greg Dolcice, and I think that they can do some special things with him. And so I recognize and fully admit that it is stubbornness in the face of evidence that I refuse to lower Greg Dolcic in my belief on both Redraft and Dynasty outlook. And I wasn't like some I don't think Greg dolci is gonna be the next greatest tight end of all time. I just think he's really solid, a huge playmaker, and he will continue to be, you know, a top half tight end one. I think that's where he can get to now, even top half time. That sounds phenomenal. It isn't not that great, like if you finishes the tight end six, you were bad for half the year, because there's pretty much two or three tight ends that are good all year. But I think he's talented. We saw too much on the field to go away from that based on two preseason games utilizations, I agree.
I feel like this is kind of a savvy take. Like right now everyone's panicking because it wasn't that long ago we had Sean Payton telling us about Greg Dolcic being the joker role and everyone was like, oh my gosh, Greg Dolcich is going to be incredible this year. And now everyone's like, oh man, oh well, like it's Alberda all over again in Denver. But like you said, we at least saw it from Greg Dolcic last year, and it wasn't just the fact that he was out there specifically as a pass catcher. It was earning targets down the field, which titands just don't do. Like a twelve point seven eight is awesome. That was a top ten mark in the NFL for tight ends last year for Dulsich. So we saw it. We're good in the year two bump and the comparison to Tray McBride, right, we just we didn't really see that much last year. It really took a lot for him to overcome. It took a Zacher's injury to go on the field, truthfully. So I want to still be in on Greg Dulsage for the profile, and I think right now is the time that you capitalize on this perceived negative news. I'd be floating a second out there and see if I can get him on my team and hoping for the best.
I fully recognize that the mental exercise Jason just did, and my own personality is everybody's going this way with Dulcie, let me figure out another way to go, just to see if I can, you know, buck up against that trend. So I had this question. I wanted to throw out one more. This was from our discord. They said, in a tight end premium league, we'd rather have Dulsic, Luke Musgrave, and I'm going to throw in Chig because I love Chig. They're kind of They're all pretty close to me.
That's tough flavor. They are all pretty close. I think that we saw it, Greg Dulcic and Jig a con quote flashed in their rookie season, but we saw more from Greg Dulcic than we did from Chig. The passing volume should be higher there, and so I would I would go Greg Dulcic over Chig. The real question is Musgrave. I usually hate in Dynasty. I just hate dealing with rookie tight ends. I feel like you're just wasting an entire year. Musgrave's opportunity does seem great. I think I will go. I think I'm gonna go Dulsice Chig Musgrave.
Final answer bets give me an order.
I think I would go Chig Dulsage Muskrave, but it's super close.
Yeah.
I'm probably still gonna stay with Chig in my own priors because I'm a stubborn man. But Jason, give us one more faller.
Yeah. So this is I want to I want to caution you to hear what I'm saying and not what just the title of the segment is my follower through the preseason was Christian Kirk. And this is not me saying Christian Kirk is going to be irrelevant or terrible, but he has certainly fallen in what I believe he is to this team and what my expectations were based on what we've seen in the preseason. You know, I think before the NFL kicks off, it was fair to say, are we sure that Calvin Ridley's really the one? Obviously, you know, the ADP says that the community believes Calvin Ridley is the primary target over Christian Kirk, But it's a fair question to say, well, look, Christian Kirk was awesome last year. He was the number one target last year, and you got a guy who hasn't played football in a couple years coming in and I'm sure the camp reports are good, but is it really impossible that Christian Kirk can't still be the number one target in Calvin Ridley the number two. So that was a question that I thought was fair. Well, now I don't. Now I don't believe it's fair because you saw when they went to you two wide receiver sets, you would expect Christian Kirk on one side and Calvin Ridley on the other, and that wasn't what we were getting. Christian Kirk was off the field and you had Zay Jones there on the outside. And so I don't want to overblow that because you know, seventy plus percent of their snaps will be three wide receiver sets with this team. When they're in two wide receiver sets, they're gonna be running a lot. So the majority of plays for fantasy purposes, Christian Kirk will still be out on the field. But what I have come to realize is that it is a definite to me, it has been answered before the NFL season that it is a definite and clear. Calvin Ridley is the primary target for this offense. He is the number one wide receiver. Christian Kirk is going to be a valuable slot wide receiver and that's what he is for this team. He's good at that role and that's great. But last year Christian Kirk was what like the wide receiver thirteen and I think that's right. You can correct me if I'm wrong.
He was eleven.
Oh okay, so even better. So he was, you know, okay, a wide receiver one last season, and I don't believe that. You know, you look a couple of years ago when he was basically a slot wide receiver for the Arizona Cardinals playing behind DeAndre Hopkins, he was very good. He was a wide receiver two. He's like the wide receiver twenty three, and so I think that is more his ceiling versus being able to be a wide receiver one anymore. And so that's why he's dropped. To me, he's not dropped to irrelevance or you know, he's bad or he's a bust, but he's not the number one. He won't be the number one.
I think we just so we probably just saw his best season wide receiver eleven finish, But it doesn't mean that all of a sudden he's just gonna fall off the map. Like he's under contract for three more years, and when you look at his contract, it's a real three years. Like often we'll say that will go, ah, well, there's a clause. Think it like it is. There's a lot of money, and his agent did a really good job. He's only twenty six years old. And if he does go into more of the slot mode, like I think that you're gonna get some high end wide receiver two you know, flex type seasons that are super valuable, Like don't just discredit him in an offense that we like, because he's gonna miss you know, four to five snaps here and there. It's it's super valuable he actually caught, he got an end zone look and got a touchdown. He saw you know, in the preseason like third down and a fourth down target. So it's like he's a super valuable player. He's dependable, and I think you saw this when you're in Arizona. It's just like he looked like he belonged on the field. It just took the team a while to figure out how to utilize him when there was other targets on the team. But yeah, I'm fine with Christian Kirk what he is, though I think people are never gonna get wide receiver one like flirt with that ever, again.
Very fair, and I think right now, like you could probably even though he just had that incredible fantasy season, I don't that he's really valued that way. And so I think if you're realistic with it and say, look, I'm probably getting a very solid I mean, he could give you wide receiver two numbers. But I think he's largely like valued in the Dynasty's community as like a fringe two three guy, So like I'd still be comfortable getting him from my squad. I want to buy into Trevor Lawrence. I want to buy into that offense, taking another leap forward. So I love what you guys are saying, just being realistic with the ceiling. It's not what it was last year. I think is the take home all.
Right, I'll give you a couple of names real quick before we get out of here. Would rather have Christian Kirk or George Pickens in Dynasty? And I feel like most people are gonna yell and say, of course it's George Pickens. He's younger, he's more exciting. Who would you rather have?
I so tough. It is, actually tough. It is. I went back and forth a little bit, but I am gonna go George Pickens. I'm not gonna scream it. I don't think it's an easy slam dunk here. The way that I view it is probability says that Christian Kirk will score more Fantasy points than George Pickens this season, and that matters a lot because they're both young enough to where I'm not just taking the age into account. So probability of medium out median outcome is on Christian Kirk's side. But I just talked about how I think Christoph Kirk's ceiling is capped, and I'm wanting to have the chance of getting a superstar, So I'll take Pickens.
I think that was a perfect explanation. I would largely agree.
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What about would you rather have Kirk or Rashad Bateman, who we have seen eighteen games and we're just like still waiting.
I would take Kirk in that situation. Personally, I think what I've seen from Zay Flowers, he looks incredible man, and he's there. They're financially committed to him. I know they are to Bateman as well, but at some point, you know you have to have so many chances to do it, and it just hasn't happened for one reason or another. And so I think I would take Kirk in that situation.
I think I lean, yeah. I think it's all three of us lean on the Kirk side. When you go into year three and you're still needing to prove it, and I know a lot of it's been injuries, but you just don't get chances. Question, you don't get chances forever. And Zay Flowers just think he's that dude.
With Ravens Camp this year, it's been interesting because we've gotten so many different reports of early on when they asked Lamar who the wide receiver one was. He said it was Rashad and then obviously Flowers has looked amazing, and then Obj's been talked up. It's like, Okay, the answers Mark Andrew's cool. That's that's all we need to know. But it's I feel like I've been getting all these different answers and it's gonna be one of those things where everybody's gonna have a week. It's gonna be a Yeah, Bateman's gonna have weeks. But at the end of the day, I think Kirk just feels safer for Dynasty squads. That's gonna do it for this episode. If you want to get all over Dynasty rankings, you get them an Ultimate Draftkit dot Com and we will get to talk to you next week about some of our Dynasty.
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