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But no, we're out here in Los Angeles. We've got the live show and we're recording an episode of this podcast and we're gonna have some special guests on the end of today's show, and we're gonna be digging into to rookies and a renewed look at the entire rookie class from a Dynasty perspective.
Yeah, I think it's about time. You know, when you have the whole pre scouting before the NFL Draft happens, you're grinding the tape the best that you possibly can, trying to figure out how you set your rankings. The NFL Draft comes and shakes things around, destroys, some things. Sometimes your sweet sweet love Sean Tucker ends up with a medical and goes undrafted, and so you have to adjust your rankings. But then training camp happens, preseason happens, and some more things start.
Show Shawn Tucker's getting.
Now we may be back. So I'm gonna have my rookie rankings open this all. I'm gonna just gonna be editing on the fly.
A live look at Mike's rankings changing here on the podcast.
So we'll see if you can convince me to move players.
You can convince yourself. You may, over the course of your arguments, convince yourself to change a player's location.
But it's not just rookies today. This is also a special bonus My Guys episode from a Dynasty perspective.
Yeah, the Dynasty, My Guys. On the show, we'll share our individual dynasty My Guys, and then we'll have a couple of special guests sharing there. So I'm just gonna tease that along and you will, well you'll probably find out from the show notes, but if you don't read them, it'll be a complete surprise to you. But at the top, a reminder because it's that time of year, biggest two draft weekends of the year. The Ultimate Draft Kit available right now. You can go to Ultimate Draftkit dot com Draft Analyzer if you've drafted, or you've maybe you've done some of your drafts. I know many of you have several on the docket. Plug your team in, we'll grade it, we'll give you an evaluation, we'll let you know. You can put the Dynasty team in there. We've got the uh.
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Yeah, I wish that they could actually be in it and see them moving around and watch it, but dangerous. Jason talked to me about the new optimizer that is part of the DFS pass because we have not we have kind of like not talked about that because we've been in the midst of the redraft world and the Draft Analyzer. But when you're getting into the DFS time of year, which is part of the UdK, we've made a change.
Yeah, we've made a huge, huge upgrade. For years, we had an optimizer in there to help you set and create dynasty lineups, and we thought we could do better, and so we completely rebuilt it. It is ground up different. It is based upon tournament winning strategies from the past. The user interface is much more polished. The tools that you can use, I mean, if you play DFS at all, this optimizer is it's really insane. I'm very excited for people to start being able to play around with it. But that's already just included. So if you play Dynasty, obviously you're listening to a Dynasty show. If you get the UdK plus, it's gonna come with the Dynasty Pass, but it also comes with the DFS Pass, comes with the Draft Analyzer, and so much more.
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Well, we've talked about this at length and if you I mean, you can muse on it for two seconds. But you your biggest point that I agreed with was you already had a word.
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It's not a post, right, the posts you post everywhere. You had a word for you, you would it's a tweet.
You would have verb. You had it clean ox or Kleenx. You had zero cleans. I was going to the off brand if you can't afford Kleenex, can't get clean hydrox. But no, you had, you had the verb, and you tweet and now you just whatever. No, you didn't want to get into it, and okay, it's too upsetting.
All right, I guess we can move on to to some rookie talk, rookie fever. All right, it is time to dig back in. Mike, you mentioned it. We we have a process, and let's be honest for a moment, especially in the Dynasty world. We pick favorites, of course, and we pick them early, and then we expect our dreams to come true, David Bell. We expect the dreams to come true, Taekwon Thornton, and they don't always work out that way. And so and we've been through enough rookie drafts at this point to see probably every pendulum swing possible. You know, you come fresh off of a year of Nikhil Harry who once again released from another roster again, Yeah, former number one Dynasty pick, rookie pick, and then you see the pendulum swing, you know, maybe to the running back position. But then you you know, you've had your Royce Freeman's of the world. Mike, Yeah, I am, I am just your Clyde Edwards layers of the world.
I've had enough, Frankly, I've had enough. So no running backs, no wide receivers, no wide receivers. I'm just I'm all in. I will just I will patch work my running backs together from this point on.
Well that I think that'll be the interesting kind of philosophical discussion to be had on the show today, because the running back position has changed, and how does that affect our view of them long term in Dynasty, and how does that affect our view of the current rookies like Jason. You've been known to be enamored with Bijon Robinson.
I like him a bit.
Yeah, I mean, do you write them letters? I'm sure, But the fundamental truth is that the running back position has a shorter shelf life, and when you miss the sting, it's a big sting. Because you traded like you went for Clydodrian Jeleaire a couple of years ago, Mike situation, Draft Capital, The arguments were there, but missing on that has caused you great sadness for a long period of time.
Yes, and I'm reminded every time I look at my Dynasty roster because Clyde's still there. He just he waves to me from from time to time, and I try to ignore that he's still there. Is just to really highlight, in my opinion, just how dysfunctional running backs are for Dynasty. B John Robinson is not taking a snap, and he's arguably, and I think justifiably so, the number one Dynasty running back.
I think he's inarguably, okay, the number one Dynasty running back. I can't imagine in a Dynasty startup taking a running back over Bejon Robinson. You've got him coming into his rookie deal, So that means, you know, you've got to guarantee basically five years of him, and you don't have.
That for any other runners back guaranteed five years when Jonathan Taylor is presently unaccounted for going into year five.
Well, Jonathan Taylor wasn't a first round pick, so he couldn't have his fifth year option picked up. Bijon will have a fifth year option picked up. So that's where I'm saying. I think it's a guaranteed five Now, maybe Gibbs is that way because he was also a first round pick. You know, I don't know, but Bijeon will have his fifth year but picked up.
That was my second point. It's like Jamiir Gibbs is now top five. I mean like I've there are I've seen people who I respect their opinion. Jamior Gibbs is already their number two dynasty running back. Like that's that's how the that's how the position could just be shook if well, you would be one off season, it's like, well the top two guys are now someone else in all the running backs.
So I liked, you're just gone there is It's easier right now, because the clean slate for Bijon Robinson and Jamier Gibbs and the contract situation to automatically place them there. But we are fresh off of thinking Kenneth Walker was a bona fide locked in maybe the number one overall and if the Charbonnet move doesn't happen this offseason, and maybe you're talking about him in the same conversation with those two rookies. Ye, all I'm saying is that you legitimately have been shown time and time again that you don't know what's about to happen. Because should Beigeon's fifthy or be picked up? The answer is yes, unless you have two catastrophic knee injuries over the course of the next four years. There are no guarantees at that position. And at least from a longevity standpoint, the wide receiver position has shown itself more durable once you have a proven commodity.
And not just not just durable, but they're they're safer in terms of.
Getting another contract and being allowed to play football.
No, I'm saying they like even if someone else is drafted to the team, they're fine. Like when a running back has so if you had Tyler Algier, you made that right. It's not a huge disruption. You're like swing in there. And then now that they drafted Bijon in the first round, Tyler Algiers, Dino drink is just absolutely plummeted. Meanwhile, Seattle has dk Metcalf, who is one of the highest runs dynasty wide receivers. They'd spent a first round pick on the first wide receiver of the draft, the most talented wide receiver in the draft, Jackson Smith and Jigba And did you move dk Metcalf in your dynasty rankings?
No?
How about the number one dynasty wide receiver.
Which jamar Or Jefferson Jefferson Jan Addison drafted and no one cares. He's just that's I'm out. I'm out of running.
Have you written a document to yourself it's a new policy.
Yeah, it's it's like draft day. It's like no running backs no matter what.
Yeah, patchwork, you're running backs together in dynasty. Get some uh Jeff Wilson's in your starting lineup, and then dominate a wide receiver and elsewhere, let's talk about the running backs that we love.
I mean.
That that bothers me so much from a like long term dynasty manager, construction standpoint, because that is probably the prescription that you should always but we already know people don't always take their prescription.
Yeah, and you know I love Jamerkibs so much.
This is what I'm saying, because you want to find the guy you still believe in your mind. This is why I say, like the Dynasty running back is a mirage of sorts, is because you're building that, you know, that perfect roster. We always talk about those starters and you can plug if you can plug a running back in and they actually pay off on what you believe that they'll be like, because there are running backs that had you done that, you would be happy. Yeah, right, that have have a longer career like Alvin Kamara. Alvin Kamara in Dynasty had a six year pretty darn good run. He's probably at the end of that run, sure, but that's a long time.
I mean, this is why Bejon's down question number one, because he is actually different than every other player. You haven't had someone like Ezekiel Elliott, like Saquon Barkley come into the league, you know, for several years, where now you have another one and he is like the only one because of those those other one.
Use that as an example, because there have been I mean, he has not been a perennial number one overall fantasy, but.
He was also immediately the number one. Yes, yeah, but was it justifiable then?
Yes?
Would you look back and say I'm glad I did that?
Yeah, I think I think he would. Yeah. I mean, obviously Beijeon can get hurt, but Saque comes in, He's the running back two in fantasy. His rookie season follows that up as a top ten running back. Everything looks good, and then obviously he gets injured. The next year, plays in two games. O. Hum. But even still today, I don't know if the hume that was not a moment, but well, okay, aw shucks, dag he's injured. I mean, I don't know what you want to say, but my point is, even even still like last year, he was the running back six and in Dynasty to this moment, he's still a valuable asset. So I I think he was absolutely worth it. When you've got a guy that goes top ten in the NFL draft with a body that is built to take the workload, that's the issue I have with Gibbs saying that he's guaranteed five years or a long dration just because he's a first round pick. He doesn't have a body that is built for.
So I am uncomfortable.
So I think is literally in a in a tier by himself for dynasty. I think Gibbs can be in that tier and just the elite tier.
Where is it?
Because I believe that the Lions could be a threat to be a contending top five offense for multiple years. I don't believe that's part of the future for Bejeon Robinson. And let's look go back a year. What's your view on bris Hall as a number one overall pick in a rookie draft. Is it the exact same view you had then, body built to take the work. You love Brisaw with all your Yes, I did, But but he was Do you look back and think the exact same thing about him?
I'm not.
Look it made all work out for Beesha. I'm just saying that the landscape change is tremendously quickly every single season forever on always sure it always has.
Yes, that's true, but again, Bjon is a top ten pick. Breece I loved, but he was a second rounder.
Which I believe last year the argument was that's where running backs now go. He should have been a first rounding. Yes, so then you believe in Jamir. Yeah, the gofuster moving because he cannot say a bad thing about Bijon's future.
No, of course I can't. It doesn't exist. Something to say doesn't exist other than so he could get injured.
But no, but you're telling me, you know, because Clyde couldn't happen to Beeson.
No, erect absolutely correct. Clyde coming out his rookie season was pre NFL draft was my running backs.
We're changing the whole show today, Mike he is. We're not talking rookies, we're talking rookie.
We're talking one guy. Yeah.
We on the on the on the main show, we have the Bejon Minute, and on the Dynasty Show we have the Beejeon Hour.
But here's here's my bigger point. I never would have hosted if I knew this is going to be. Can you with one hundred percent certainty say that Arthur Smith and company, thank you won't draft a running back? Thank you in the top three rounds next year. Yes, you you know you can't. You can't know what probability because there but it's it's not a outside of injury.
No, that's that's part of probability.
Well, okay, but I'm just saying like the injury is the only case.
I just ask you.
Can you guarantee with one hundred percent certainty?
I can guarantee with a hundred guarantee with one hundred percent certainty that if there isn't an injury, will not be in the room. I honestly, what is.
He here?
Move on? I don't know if we can.
All right, we will, And we're not even talking running backs yet. So why don't we take a quick break and come back and talk about a different position. Give Jason a chance to catch his breath. I mean, I don't know how many bids he is on on beijon, rookie cards on eBay. Right now, quick break back with the quarterbacks. All right, welcome back into rookie fever, Jason, that's a fever of his own. Let's start at the quarterback position, because rookie quarterbacks, and correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe this is not your perception, but looking at dynasty drafts that we have done historically, the rookie quarterback has been both the worst pick I've seen and the best picks I've seen because they traditionally I can remember so many of these, you know, late first, middle of this second, even early third round rookie quarterback selections. The end up like if you get a starter, if you get the guy that's the foundation for your for eight in NFL franchise, and you get them there, It's been a steal in every draft in our.
Main Dynasty league, it's been one of the best picks that I've made. I got Joe Burrow at the end of the first round, and then I got Jalen Hurts in the third round.
Final pick of our rookie draft.
Perfect example. And I even remember when like Burrow was getting drafted, this was not a top five rookie pick by any stretch of the imagination. And so they've been some of the best steals. But then if you end up saying, hey, I want to steal and you got Zach Wilson or you well, I did want to ask you, Mike, does does Clyde sit on the bench next to Trey on your dynasty team? Do they hang out?
Look, we're looking for new opportunities.
Both guys are looking for new opportunities any moment. Oh, they want to adds out there.
Yeah, it's a Craigslist.
But now so we've got it's a Craigslist. So now we've got you know, Bryce Young, CJ. Strout, Anthony Richardson, Oh you're leaving Banana Ramoff. You bet I'm leaving until he moves into a second No, yeah, I mean you can talk Will Lovis. But his training camps going about like the draft they did. So when you look at how you know, scouting these players, the pre combine, the post combine, and then you look now at training camp and their first chances to take snaps with a professional offense against a professional defense. You know, we got some numbers here over the last decade, rookie quarterbacks who start Week one, they average four and a half wins.
So that's the X.
You know, that's kind of the average situation that you find. And it makes sense, right these are teams at the top of the draft, but you have a kind of a rough first season in the NFL. So when I'm looking at evaluating with my eyeballs rookie quarterbacks for dynasty purposes, I'm not looking at, hey, are they going to win in year one? I'm looking for some other intangibles to latch onto whether I I made the right selection. A couple that come to mind is I'm looking for poise in the pocket. Sure, I know when we watched Josh Rosen in year one that was something you never saw those You never saw special games from him. It was just the same mediocrity year week after week. I look at a player that with the poise that means they're going through progressions, and I look at like some level of resilience because you're gonna lose a bunch of games. So do you come back out there the next week and your confidence hasn't been shattered? You're a you know, a guy that can be built upon. Maybe you guys saw that with like a Kinny Pickett last season, even though he went through some struggles. How are you evaluating these guys at this point in time and what are you looking for outside of wins?
I can tell you right now. For me, I'm looking at athletic special traits. That's That's what I'm looking at. And it doesn't have to be legs like with Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow could, I mean he had a very special ball. He could throw mountains, he could throw it over them mountains, and and he was athletic enough to do some on the ground as well. When I look back at all of these rookie drafts and all of these quarterbacks that have succeeded or failed for a while, it is it's not one hundred percent universal, but it is certainly a big enough degree of hit rate based upon that alone that I just almost don't care about anything else. So like Anthony Richardson obviously checks the box of something special athletically, but like Bryce Young to me doesn't, c J. Stroud to me doesn't. And what I'm not, what I'm not saying, is.
That they're gonna bus you got a bunch of Okay, I'm not.
Saying yeah, no, no, no, I'm not saying they're not going to be a good NFL quarterback. I'm saying they're not going to be special for fantasy football. And I think that if in you know, in your startup drafts, and and it is different if you're in a two quarterback league, but if you're in a one quarterback dynasty, he then are you do you really care about drafting Kirk Cousins. I mean, it's a win, it's not a bust. But he's not someone that's really.
See if I mean, Mike, maybe you can speak to this too.
You don't see Bryce Young's ability to you know, his poison, the pocket, his ability, his accuracy, the things that made him this number one overall pick. You don't think that can evolve into viewing him like Joe Burrow knowing him and that lens.
I don't, and I hope I'm wrong, but that's just my evaluation. Mike.
Yeah, I don't see Burrow as as the ceiling and because but to the like, it's not dunking on on Stroud and Young at all. I think I think they're both gonna work. Like. I think that I still preferred C. J. Stroud as the NFL wise, Anthony Richardson is the quarterback you have to go after for fantasy, but Joe Burrow is the outlier. And to be fair to to Joe Burrow and and everybody else, the Bengals have equipped him and not just like Okay, fine, we'll get you a weapon. It was no. What wasn't was T Higgins the year that Burrow was drafted? Am I remembering that correct? I believe that is true. It was like it was either it was, but it was right around it. And then the next year there was the huge non stop debate on Twitter of do you take the offensive lineman? Yeah, you take Sewel or do you take Jamar Chase and the hilarious graphics of if like the wide receivers like Burrow on the ground with Jamar Chase or if you have the lineman, it doesn't matter who the wide receiver is. And they made the chase they went or the choice to go chase, they made the chase. Yeah, they made the right choice, and so we are are other teams willing to do that? That's that remains a question.
I look, it took him some time to do it, to build around him.
Uh.
They were a bad team that first year, and obviously he dealt with the injury. I just wanted to bring that up because you know, maybe you view him is the UH I would win the way I'd win with Teddy Bridgewater, which didn't translate to fantasy value.
I'll go stronger than the Derek Carr. I think a higher ceiling than Derek Carr. I think that both Stroud and Young can be that like six to ten range for them to be special for fantasy, like.
They need to. Those two guys need to turn into like a Drew Breese level player. You have to be basically Hall of Fame caliber on the NFL field to be a pocket passer that's super relevant for fantasy.
That's worth it to be Matthew Stafford. But even I mean, look at Stafford that the run the Super Bowl year with the Rams, what do you have? Forty plus touchdowns and a whole bunch of yards and he was barely relevant for fans.
So are you discounting So you're just discounting him because he doesn't have because again, run you said that wasn't the case, But that is really what it is, because you're you're classifying him as a pocket passer, and you're saying, if he's not a Hall of Fame pocket pass or you can't succeed in a dynasty, you know, projection, because otherwise, I mean, I think Bryce Young's fully capable of being a top ten passer in the NFL at some point in time.
I think for fantasy, that's that's really what I'm looking at. So when I'm taking these quarterbacks in the draft, I when Burrow was coming out, it was the best prospect that I had ever watched. His final season was perfection on a field. I was so excited.
Yeah, I think he's one of the best ever.
To draft him. I like Bryce Young, I like CJ. Strepp. They're not that, they weren't Burrow coming out, and they're not a mobile quarterback. So I think they're going to be mostly wasted picks. I really do at this point, I'm.
Well, not necessarily wait, but like a depth pick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're not going to help you win a championship. I don't believe that they're going they can be a plug and play quarterback streaming option in fantasy or if you're in a two quarterback league, obviously that that shifts. You need that second quarterback. You need a Derek Carr quarterback in regular dynasty.
I've often been jealous of people who do pick up that depth quarterback in the second or third round, and it was instead of I don't know, Anthony McFarland in Pittsburgh, right, People take a shot on those guys in second and third round of dynasty leagues, maybe third round of dynasty leagues for the upside, but you get literally nothing out of that, at least if you've got a guy that was middle of the pack. You have added to that dynasty roster, and you've solidified your ability to look. Injuries happen all the time. I want a dynasty championship with Alex Smith after Patrick Mahomes went down. So at least you get a return on the investment in some degree. And just to give you some data around rookie quarterbacks if they start nine plus games, which sounds pretty reasonable for those quarterbacks that have been given that opportunity. Among rookie quarterbacks with that threshold of nine plus games, seventy five percent of them were a quarterback one in the next two years.
Okay, So you know.
There is something to be said about having that early opportunity which often comes the draft capital. Obviously, you turn the page from a couple of guys that are going to do a little bit more with their arms as a fundamental part of their game, and you turn to Anthony Richardson and obviously, you know, the fireworks started shooting off into the sky. You get plenty of on the run, sixty five yard training camp videos of Anthony Richardson.
He's obviously seen.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He's a very, very unique player athlete individual quarterback coming. I mean, that's why the Colts were willing to spend what they spent on. So let's transition that to dynasty fantasy football upside and where you evaluate Anthony Richardson at this point in time. I'm sure you guys have said this stat on this show before, but every rookie running back or I'm sorry, every rookie quarterback that has crossed eighty rushing attempts ends up a fantasy force and they end up maintaining that top ten quarterback play per game. Anthony Richardson obviously has that in the cards. How high is too high for him in a dynasty draft? After we've seen what's taken place and he's been named the starter, there isn't a Gardner Minshew worry.
I would say so if you were talking first round Jon Jackson, Smith, Gibbs, Addison, and Flowers, however you have them ranked and then I got Quentin Johnson after that, I think after those, the four pack of wide receivers and the two running backs, I think you can go Anthony Richardson there.
So let me question that, Okay, and Jason you respond after I bring this up? What if Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen was in your rookie draft with those names that you just said, where do they go relative to those four names you just those five names.
You just mentioned, if we knew he was going to turn into.
I guess that's what I'm saying caliber. If that was then an outcome that's you deem about fifty.
Yeah. If if that's the case, then I would say he should probably go two or three. I wouldn't take him above Beijon.
Like, for instance, if I had Jalen Hurds, Bejon and a Dinasy startup right exactly.
If I had Jalen Hurts right now and I could trade him for Beijon, I would do it.
You know.
But if you're talking about JSN and Jamiir Gibbs, you could put both those guys ahead of, you know, one of those star quarterbacks if you really believe they're going to uh hit. But he's right there in that conversation. I think the issue is he's he's such a raw prospect and there's a lot to dislike about his game. He doesn't have a lot of experience, you know. He he looks like Cam Newton, but he doesn't have the stats Cam Newton, you know, won the National Championship. That that isn't the resume that you got some Trey lanspheres here. Yeah, exactly a little bit, a little bit of Trey Lance fears. Now, I will say this my personal evaluation, and I think Mike and I have different views on what we believe of the traits in the town. I think he's gonna get it together, like I think Anthony Richardson is going to be special both throwing the ball and running the ball. So I'm willing to take a more bullish approach on Anthony Richardson. But I totally see like Mike and I were watching film together at one point and I'm showing him these great plays and now he goes, Okay, now watch the next Yeah, now let's watch the next one. It was just horrific. And I totally get that. But there is just something special about what he can do, and I think I think that he will be I think in the NFL he'll have his skills honed and he'll be equipped to succeed.
Let me shine some light on something pretty interesting, because I know when Josh Allen had his I would say accuracy emergence. Let's just call it that. Maybe not as odd as it seemed. Andrew Luck was fifty four percent as a rookie, Josh Allen fifty two point eight percent as a rookie, Trevor Lawrence fifty nine point six percent is all completion percentage as a rookie. Justin Fields fifty eight percent as a rookie, Lamar Jackson fifty eight percent is a rookie on average, if you keep the starting job, your completion rate rises.
Four percent in year two.
So this is it just goes to Jason's argument that if you're special, you kind of figure that out, like that is something that you're capable of figuring out. I mean, you there were reasons to discount Justin Fields as a passer. Maybe there still are Josh Allen, Andrew Luck, Trevor Lawrence, but special players with that draft capital have historically recently Lamar Jackson with a fifty eight to sixty six percent they had. It's becoming a trend at this point in time. I'm sure with some of these players that have been now Trey Lance, we don't know because we didn't get to see it.
Yeah, my counter argument would be all those quarterbacksually lifted listed off besides Josh Allen were elite passers in college. Andrew Luck had three years as a college starter. First year was pretty rough, and then he completed seventy percent of his passes the next two years. Lamar Jackson was incredible as a passer, even though the NFL was.
Still fifty nine fifty six percent in college in Louisville. I was gonna look that up because he was not he was down there. Yeah, he was a fifty seven percent was his three year average, and he was fifty nine as last year.
You remember, the evaluators thought he could only be a running back.
He was throwing the ball and then but still thirty five hundred passing yards. So okay. So I think in Lamar they can figure that piece out for some people. Some of them can because there's there's mechanical things that you can fix. But he Lamar was also a three year starter. Anthony Richardson was essentially a one year starter.
That that's the scariest thing to me is the lack of experience, the talent, and even even the inaccuracy. I'm just not worried about that.
Experience makes sense to be concerned about yeah, and not having like there are some problems in Indianapolis, like if he doesn't have Jonathan Taylor to take the pressure off, which I think he look Taylor might be back. Maybe he's back by the time you're listening to this, but right now, it looks like he's kind of on an island where he's going to have to do a lot to make things work.
Even if he's back, is he back long term? Because if he's back, it's just this year.
That seriously, one year though, help Anthony for one year. Let's talk running backs. We've got to move We've got to move down the rookie line here up, let's talk.
About running.
Let's go past the first two.
Pass Bijon and Jamiir Gibbs.
Yeah, they're good, draft them.
Okay, Uh, Their draft capital did change at least with Jamiir Gibbs. And I'm not going to stay here long, but it did change your because that's what we're talking about. We're talking about your pre combined, post combine, post draft. You didn't evaluate Jamiir Gibbs as your number two overall prospect, Jason. You had Zach Charboney in that spot, and then draft capital and team fit changed that dynamic, and now you have Jamiir Gibbs, I assume ranked higher in a dynasty league. Yeah, certainly both they're sharing backfields, just significantly different draft capital.
Yeah, it's it's different draft capital, but it's it's the number twelve overall pick. You build an offense around a number twelve overall pick. When you do that against public, you know you're gonna get public scrutiny for taking a running back at twelve. They did not care. They were excited. That is a centerpiece of what they want to do. So I am in on Jamiir Gibbs. I wasn't him being three for me at running back was not anti Gibbs was pro sharbon A. Yeah, is super good. That's my belief.
I don't. I'm gonna be honest with you, Mike, I I don't know if I want to live in a world where Bjean Robinson and Zach Charbney disappoint Jason Moore.
If we come back a year from now, he will be in shambles and never recover.
In this hallowed studio, this day that we talked about, these two players would and just what I'm picking up here, haven't hosted The Dynasty Show that many times. But I'm picking up a one hundred point zero zero percent chance that they're gonna be good.
Well the Bejehon, I don't think that necessarily for Zach Charbonay. Zach Charbonay could easily have the Rashad Penny treatment his rookie year when he was a first round pick and they said Chris Carson or the dude. When I talk to Beat reporters in Seattle, they keep telling me Kenneth Walker is the dude. Kenneth Walker is going to be the starter, and Zach Charboney is going to come in and spell him from time to time. So if that happens, he's going to be a disappointment for Fantasy this year and going forward. I mean, if that happens this year, it's not like next year you think, oh, well they'll change it. No, that's that's the new normal. But b John's one hundred percent.
The heart, Okay, hundred maybe more than one hundred percent. The hardest part about the sharbon Ay Walker thing is that if that wasn't true, if their plan was for Zach Charbonnay to take over, they're not telling you one ioted differently today than what they would tell you. I if Kenneth Walker was going to be their guy, because Kenneth Walker was a good draft Capitol pick who had a great rookie season, but if they saw holes in his game, they're not telling you, They're not telling me. They're not even going to change the practice reps that way. They're going to instill confidence in both of these guys because they end every season with DJ Dallas and Travis Homer because of injury, so historically, so that one is gonna be an interesting one to watch. I've loved what I've seen from Zach Charveney in the preseason. We'll see what the second half of the season looks like and again, and running backs in Dynasty, it's almost like you're buying yourself a year or two. Tank Bigsby's the last name I'm gonna bring up because I almost feel like he's reaching the like a posh point in his popularity this offseason. I certainly believe in the talent of Tank Bigsby. I also believe in the talent of Travis Atn Welcome to Dynasty, Fantasy Football and trying to evaluate good team, great backfield two players that can catch the ball. You know, how in can you be on Tank Bigsby and what can a dynasty player do right now with him?
Yeah? I think you can be decently in We had a live show this past weekend and I talked up Tank Bigsby. I think this season he can have a good rookie year.
Is that eight hundred yards rushing?
What is that? No, I don't think it's eight hundred yards rushing, but I think it's six hundred yards rushing and eight nine ten touchdowns ball being involved in the passing game. You know, this is a coaching staff that has usually employed a committee. They everything they have said and done backs that up. They said at the end of last season that they wanted to give Travis's Etn more rest, that they needed to keep him healthy. Then they went out and spend a Day two pick on a really good back. Tank Bigsby. In the pre NFL draft was my running back for He was the next guy up that I liked, and everything we've seen in preseason has just looked outstanding. Now again, Travis Etn is a starter, So it's kind of like a Zach Charbonney situation where he could be the goal line back. He could get pass catching, but he's the clear backup.
Who's better Travis Etn or Kenneth Walker.
Well, that's a great question.
Who'd you rather having a dynasty league? See?
I think this is the secret question. Good, This is a secret question that answers the next question. I think if you could see those listening at home, you could see Mike and Jason's faces. They are they're in it hurts.
Let's hear our answers. No.
I really try to not let personal biases ever enter into how I think about fantasy football. And this question is hilarious because I have kN Walker. Yeah, Jason has Travis Etn. I would rather have kin.
Walker, And I think I would rather have kin Walker.
Oh okay, okay, so okay, let me ass it.
So then Zach Sharbonay, what round was he drafted?
Second ground? Okay, tank Biggsy's third round pick? Correct?
You like ken Walker more? I feel like the gap between sharbon Ay and Bigsby in a dynasty draft has been significant.
Yep, should it not be? It's certainly closing.
Yeah, it is too big, and especially if you're doing startup drafts where the rookies are involved. The gap is enormous between those players. I'm moving Tank.
Up right now.
See this is live ranking. I've been taking this whole time, and from Mike.
And I have I've moved Tank up, I moved I moved Dalton past sharbon Ay.
It's interesting because I think Jacksonville would love.
To deal with Jason.
I think, what did you just say? You did?
Charbon?
I think that's great? Yeah, I where I mean, we're not at tight ends yet.
Yeah, but but where are you now with because you you love the film for Tank and but you have also ended up becoming a devon a chain stand you're in your rookie draft right now. Who are you taking Tank or a chain?
I feel like he took a gut punch with a chain, and I don't know if he's recovered his long view.
I feel like he is sad.
I would still take devon a chain for now ahead, but injury.
No, there's no pep in his step because he no because the tap dance shoes off, it socks the ceiling for a chain is a good fantasy player, but it's not. It's never he's the lead back. I don't know. I don't think, probably not take Bigsby could become the lead back.
I'm just happy that a couple of weeks ago, before any NFL football has been played, I was able to take a quick victory lap on Devon Age. You really did, because oh and I enjoyed it. He had a good a good camp or a good run. Yeah, I mean his co running back said, he looks good. I'm starting to worry it's never I'm never going to be able.
To I feel like the whole the whole career got summarized in one injury.
And if you never get to that means who gets to you?
Yeah?
Yeah, all right.
Let's move on to the wide receiver because position, because look, Mike has made a vow apparently to himself, that this is where he's going to be investing his dynasty draft capital. Valuable dynasty draft capital since twenty fourteen. If you are a first round wide receiver with fifty plus receptions, you were guaranteed to be drafted as a top thirty wide receiver the next year. That stat is really powerful because you're talking about all you got to be is a first round wide receiver that gets doesn't get injured. Really, it's an opportunity fifty plus receptions as the bar you get drafted higher as a top thirty wide receiver. And I don't know if this is just a recent trend. I mean last year I've talked about in our league in redraft, I just drafted like five rookie wide receivers late in the draft because I knew they'll never be drafted here. They'll either be they're really going to flame out and you'll be like Brashad Perryman or what looks like David Bell right now, or you're going to be a top thirty draft. I mean, look at who we're talking up this year, Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave. These are players that we have a great deal of confidence in. So it's your kind of window, right, it's your it's your opportunity to dive in and get somebody that has a great opportunity. I mean, you look at that stat and a name that comes to mind before we get to the major rookies, it's Jonathan Mingo because he you know where.
Was he drafted.
Not in the first round.
He was a second round so he's a second round draft pick.
He doesn't apply to the stat.
Yeah, he will have the but it's pretty It was pretty high in the second round, wasn't it. It was Carolina. Yeah, I'll look up. So he's just like, you know, he's the second rounder like Jonathan Taylor was.
He was picked thirty nine.
Okay, all right, high second round. So put an asterisk on the stat for me. But if Jonathan Mingo has fifty plus receptions in his rookie season, we all know how you feel about Adam Feeling and you've got injuries to DJ Sharks, you know, a rental at the wide receiver position. I just wonder if that stack can be informative about opportunity Michael Wilson not a first rounder, but that he's gonna have fifty plus receptions I think this season. Are those diamonds in the rough in your mind? Or are you more focused on those top guys.
I mean, the top guys are the fun guys. But Mingo is I've loved in this whole offseason. I think that he's with a really smart offensive coach. I love the fact that he's with the first overall pick who is a quarterback, and he gets to grow that relationship. Like the Mingo is not a Jamar Chase level talent. But it's like, if Bryce Young hits, his guy is probably going to be Jonathan Mingo, and then you just have you have years of these of that being the tandem, and if they execute and use Mingo the correct way, I think he can be a I won't go special, but I think he can be a difference maker for fantasy.
Jason talk to me about changing views on Jackson Smith and Jig but Quentin Johnston, Zave Flowers, Jordan Addison. Since we've gotten into training camp, post draft opportunities, where where's the journey taking.
You on these guys From our early February March.
Evaluation, JSN and Jordan Addison to me were guys I loved before the draft, guys I love after the draft. They didn't really change. Zave Flowers was a player that I thought was good. I did have a good evaluation on him, and I liked the landing spot in Baltimore, but he has changed dramatically, whether it's his PR team or the Baltimore Ravens videographers that the.
PR save Flowers PR team. What if it's neither those, What if it's Shaan Bateman or Nodell Beckham.
My point is he has got be He has risen a lot to me based on the non stop fire that he has put on the field. No one can seem to guard him. It's been from before the NFL Draft. I remember Daniel Jeremiah coming on one of his podcasts on the Move the Sticks podcast, just talking about how I think this was at the combine. He was just saying, Zay Flowers won the day. Everyone said he just moved different, and that's kind of what you used to hear about justin Jefferson, was you just moved different than every other wide receiver. And now you just see him out there just torching people over and over and over.
Let me clarify what I meant, Mike. I didn't mean maybe it'll be those guys as the better players. I mean maybe their inability to really separate themselves or make a market right has been part of the reason why Jay Flowers has out people's bords. Like, look, it's all relative, right, you're in training camp. Zay Flowers looks great. I've seen all the news and we love training camp. But Beckham hasn't and Bateman hasn't. So like relative to what he he's been on the field with We've seen very little Batman, basically none, right, so there's no hype on Bateman whatsoever. And then Beckham we kind of I think he's a known commodity at best at this point. So look, I'm not surprised that Jay Flowers has been the talk of town in regards to what competition he has.
Yeah, Bateman I think still has a chance honestly to be the number one guy for the Baltimore Ravens. But Flowers his the draft capital. It came through his production profile. Get granted, smaller school he's at Boston College, but I mean he's hitting the numbers in terms of the team, the share of receptions, yards and touchdowns that we want to see in a true a dominator. And sometimes you see those production profiles, but those guys end up being drafted later, like Trey Palmer's production profile is absolutely incredible. Draft capital is not there Tank Dell, who has been rising, but the raft capital not there. It is for Ja Flowers, and the opportunity is there for him to quickly rise and be the number one wide receiver where Jordan Edison can be fantastic, Jordan Edison will not be the number one wide receiver on his team ever. Ever, let me where Jay Flowers could be.
Let me give some perspective to those of you that might be hoping for bounce back seasons from rookie wide receivers that didn't work out one, because this is kind of mind blowing. If you don't average fourteen percent or higher targets per route run, you basically are done as a future value in Dynasty. Since twenty fourteen, there has been one wide receiver who as a rookie did not average higher than fourteen percent targets per route run that ended up with a top thirty six season ever, which means really bad things for Taekwon Thornton, who was under that number. Khalil Shaker, who I just heard went to fifth on the depth chart. You know I have them on my Dynasty team. I'm like, what the heck do I do with klish here?
This is going to be an eternal hold that will never pay off. You'll have your answer soon.
Why is that?
Because you'll know what you'll you'll know what to do. Okay.
David Bell eleven and a half percent targus per our run last year. Another example of don't you know? Cedric Tillman's looking good. You've got Elijah More in the fray. You've got Amari Cooper like David Bell that has no path. So that could be a lesson for Dynasty managers of just like cut bait on these guys if you can trade them on the pro like you could probably trade Taeclon Thornton for something, you know, you trade them on the promise of a play. Trade them on the promise of a good game. Uh, maybe not on counting on a bounce back. That is.
It's something that we talked about early on on the Dynasty podcast months ago, of what do you do with these wide receivers who you had hopes for You put in a decent amount of draft capital, but they just they fell flat on their face. And the answer is take the probability and move them away. Like I think that sky Moore wasn't in this range obviously of the fourteen percent target per route run, but he was just like he was so disappointing. He was a close player of I don't really know what to do. Should I trade him away? Should I hold him for better days? But these other players they still hold value, like they hold their perceived value out in the Dynasty market, and the dynasty market is everything when it comes to dynasty football. So if your player does not surpass this threshold, my advice is trade them away, try to recover what you possibly can, and just know that history is on your side that this player is not going to bounce back.
All right, I want to I want to get to our special guests in our dynasty my guys segment. So we will be brief here, but let's talk about the tight ends for a moment. Has the cold, cold, dark tight end heart of Jason Moore been often whatsoever? With the great optimism, I mean it's been really positive. Dunk and Kaid Sam Laporta is through. I mean he's playing every down with the starters.
Musgrave has just been unbelievable every down.
With the starters in Green Bay. Luke Musgrave and then Michael Mayer is making some plays this straight line speed. I saw him beat a corner that he got lined up against him, beat him down the sideline, didn't.
Get the target.
Michael Mayer's really really good.
Yeah, I mean he's getting buried in the like participant you possibility category.
These are four really talented tight ends coming in and this is the year where the whole rookie tight end uh can't really be great for fantasy football. This is the year that that gets smashed and buried are locked into stone, is what everyone is telling me. Okay, okay, and it ain't happening. Now there's a dynasty show. I think these guys are good. I think these guys will have a chance, and I'm hopeful then maybe they can actually change the tight end position for fantasy football and we can have more than just you know, one and a half guys that are worth locking in your lineups, uh, Dalton Kincaid, Michael Mayer specifically, I think that they have real shots to be actual weekly difference makers on the you know, on the tier of a of a George Kittle and a you know, Darren Waller, a really special good fantasy asset. I don't believe it happens this season the way that this time of year everyone always thinks it's gonna happen for these tight ends.
Let me let me test it real quick. Dynasty draft. Would you rather have col Comet or any of those four.
Guys in a dynasty in a dynasty startup?
Obviously?
I mean you can take Kincaid off the list, I guess because you're probably gonna choose him, but I'm putting it to the test with existing kind of yet to break out but also not disappointing names.
Yeah, coal Comette, I think I would take all three over co Comet, Okay, the guy he's got the.
Bag, No Chicka kon Quote or those four guys, and are all four of those guys, Mike.
I'll take the I'll take the four rookies, all four of that.
Yeah, Yeah, I think I will as well.
Greg Dolcich.
Are those four rookies, I'll take kick Kid, and I'll take Mayor. And then you like Mayor that much?
You like me more than I like Laporta and Muskrade more than Mayor?
Yeah for me. For me, Michael Mayor is my number two?
Interesting?
All right, you must love Jimmy g That's what I heard.
I love Michael Mayer.
All right? Uh you guys, good with that? Yep? Ready to move on.
All right, let's take a quick break and we will be back with two very special guests in our Dynasty My Guys segment.
Dynasty, My guys.
All right, we are back here the Fantasy Footballer Is Dynasty Podcast, and we are excited to be joined. But I mean we're in the NFL's Chris Westley podcast studio. We're at the NFL.
Let's bring the talent in here.
Marcus Grant, Michael Florio of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, thank you so much for joining us.
Boys, appreciate the invitation.
Thanks for having us. Yeah, yeah, you got. It's a decent place here. It is not too shabby.
We're getting comfortable, stretching out a little bit.
Yeah, you know, what's it like being on a for the first time, a great podcast.
Oh, get.
Shots fired immediately.
Now that's not even fair because this isn't the first time we've had Marcus.
No, I win the Dynasty show. I threw our podcast.
You really came to our house and started grinding your foot on our couch.
That was a good save, though you buried the main show. It's good to see you, guys.
Thanks for having us.
We're talking Dynasty. We're talking Dynasty, my guys for the very first time. Okay, and uh look, this is this is your flag planting moment. This is your chance to uh talk about somebody you're actually targeting in Dynasty with that long view in mind, and and it's been a rough and tumble few years putting the uh, you know, betting on fantasy wide receivers that don't pan out or fantasy running backs that don't pan out. Sometimes you can feel like you're up against it all the time. Marcus, let's start with you. Is there a name that's just your guy in Dynasty?
Right now? I really like Evan Ingram? Right now?
They're friends again?
Cool?
Now?
Uh?
Yeah, here's the thing you remember, you remember now, laters, those little kings like they're like, you know, fruit bricks. Basically, Evan Ingram is sort of like that, because in the now, you've got a guy who gets plenty of opportunity and even in what's going to be a very crowded pass catcher group there in Jacksonville, because he's a tight end, the bar for what we consider to be good production is set so low that he doesn't have to be great in order to get you a whole lot of things. Not to mention the fact that, you know, you look at some of the other elite tight ends, right You got guys who are getting older, say a Travis Kelcey. You got guys who are a little bit beat up, like a George Kittle, Mark Andrews has a lot of draft capital involved in getting there. Or you've got guys with uncertain quarterback situations. What happens with TJ. Hawkinson next year? If Kirk Cousins isn't there, you know, we we hope Desmond Ritter is the answer in Atlanta, but we don't know that for sure.
There's uncertainty.
Whereas Evan Ingram is locked in for the next few years with Trevor Lawrence, who's absolutely the future in Jacksonville.
So you have that short term, you know, sort of gratification with the.
Guy who's going to get a lot of targets and a lot of opportunity, but you can also sort of go down the road. He's locked in with a three year deal there in Jacksonville, And honestly, I feel like, you know, if you're looking ahead, three years is sort of a good measure. Anything longer than that, you just you're getting yourself in a lot of uncertainty. So Evan Ingram sort of, weirdly is sort of that kind of mid shelf, you know, not too high on price, not too low on quality that I think can really hold you over well in a dynasty situation, and.
You look at the career arc for Evan Ingram and all that was like later and later. Yeah, because it all came. I mean, I mean it was, it didn't happen. You saw the athleticism and then you got burnt, and you got burnt and you got burnt. What's funny is I haven't heard it pointed out the fact that the continuity at quarterback, which is something that you don't have with the Kyle Pitts necessarily. I also really dislike to take because I don't want Mike talking into Evan Ingram anymore. He already is.
But I like it.
I like that perspective.
I'm sewing chaos.
C I know, Michael, how about you?
So the entire time Marcus was talking, I was trying to think of a candy reference that I can.
Here he whistler. So James Cook is.
Like caramel Eminem's right, They which are the best eminems in my opinion, if you haven't had him yet, amazing. Devin Singletary has been playing eminems this whole time, and like no one wants to Bill's running back because James Cook is getting a little bit of hype now, but for so long it was like, they can't be anything more than an RB three, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's because Devin Singletary is the definition of league average.
But James Cook is far more explosive.
He's a better pass catcher, and Devin Singletary has seen at least one hundred and seventy five carries in two straight years at least fifty targets in three. If you give that sort of volume to James Cook, who played every single snap in preseason with Josh Allen except for if they were nineteen yards away from first down or closer or further, I mean he's getting all the opportunity there. He's in a high powered offense, and I think with his explosiveness there, he could hake what Devin Singletary was getting to be an RB three finish and make that top twenty. And if they're giving him goal on work, I think he has RB one upside. And right now people are kind of like, even if they like James Cook, they're like, I'm comfortable taking him as an RB three or something like that. And then if you look like long term, the Bills have not been a team that invests in running backs, So I think James Cook is here to be the starter for at least the next three years until his contract expires, and I agree with Marcus in Dynasty, I don't want to look anywhere further than a year or two even three at the max. So he's going to be tied to a good offense with a good quarterback for the next three years. As they're explosive starting running back. That to me is a player that I want on my roster. But people keep being like, but Josh Allen's gonna steal all his touchdowns and the Bills running backs aren't anything special, and I'm like, cool, that just makes it more affordable for me.
And they move their arms like that when they say, I didn't even realize I was doing that.
Yeah, you actually preempted my pushback, which is going to be this ever present fear that the Bills were going to select another like every year, going to go in and say I think James Cook is the guy, and then they pulled the Zach shivin a surprise and like they did in Seattle. But you are right, they have not spent a lot of money or draft capital at the running back position, so you know, I know we went into years thinking Devin Singletary wouldn't be the guy, and then he just ends up being the guy. I certainly love the talent of James Cook, and I'm excited because he's you know, I think we expected to be in a murky situation this offseason. Maybe Damian Harris would have more opportunities Latavius Murray lurking in the shadows, but James Cook's like strangle held, that's a new yeah hell the backfield.
Yeah no, I like that. Pick a lot young, explosive, great offense there, and it doesn't cost you a lot. So I think he's a pretty good target in Dynasty. Now if you want to hear a bad my guy target in Nasty Mike, who do you have?
So the way I the way I approached this segment was I want to find a player who can give me value immediately.
The preamble I see, yeah because his candy is black licoric, Because I want a player who has value right now, has at least some security, like it's not just we were one and done, but you also can go trade for this player, I think for extremely cheap. And that's why it is Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Brandon Cooks told for applause, looking at facial reaction, you know, how did that hit?
That hit like black lickors.
Definitely, I definitely, you know it's somebody gave me a double salted the riche once and.
It was kind of like I tried, like m like the Koch Lady.
Yeah, exactly, It's kind of like I get the now part of it. It's just to quote Adam Sandler, he's old.
Yeah, he's old. So looking at Brandon Cooks, the question is does he still have it? And in my opinion, he does. You know, we last year was extremely weird. It was full of injuries, it was full of this player is just inactive this week? Why, like Chrizic tweets because we don't want to play him because we're mad at him, And it was I mean, he was dealing with a really bad situation. He wants he wanted to be on someone who can actually compete for a super Bowl. He is uphole, NonStop fantasy football superstar. I mean for years and years and years, Brandon Cooks has been incredible. Last year was really the first down year that we've had for him in a long time. But when he was finally healthy, the final game of the week, what or final game of the season. What he do five for one oh six in a touchdown? Like Brandon Cooks can still play. The Dallas Cowboys looked at what they had and the decisions that they had made at the wide receiver position, and they traded for Brandon Cooks. I love when a team is telling me with their actions that we want this guy to come in here. I think Brandon Cooks is immediately the number two wide receiver over Michael Gallup. Dak Prescott is he had a little bit of a down year and there's rumors, Oh, we're gonna run run, well, I don't know if they're gonna be able to do that, and what if they can't leave a margin that maybe they can't run the offense that way and they have to go back to Dak Prescott airing the ball out. Brandon Cook's benefits. Dak has shown us in the past that he can be a prolific fantasy quarterback. And then the contract situation for Brandon Cooks. They got him this year and then next year. It's a very very team friendly deal for Brandon cook So I think he's there for at least two years. So I don't care that he's old, because he could just kind of finish up his true fantasy days on the Dallas Cowboys, who I think have the pieces around him that he doesn't have to be the guy like he's got CD Ceedee Lamb to be the number one guy there. Brandon Cooks just says cool, I'm gonna be like the Jordan Addison on this team. You got your defense, You focus on CD. I'll handle my business on the outside. Give you big plays, be a very usable wide receipt, and try and go. Go try and trade for Brandon Cooks right now, and you'll get the reactions of now to the manager, to go to the manager who has Cooks, and they'll be like, I can get something for hold on, hold on, you want Brandon Cooks? You Joe just you know, no, I don't even send me anything back. I'm just gonna ship them over to your team. What would you handle? What would you give up for him? Would you give up a second round pick for him? If I felt like I was it was going to be a lower second round, I would start with a third because that might get it done. If you a third, and like a veteran, I think that might get it done.
So I would say this, Like when you started, I was kind of like, all right, I just want to see where this goes. And as you sort of laid me down the path, I kind of started to come u especially when you mentioned the second year being a team friendly deal. Right, if you're thinking as long as you're not thinking way long term, I think that sort of works.
And then you mentioned Jordan Addison, which just warms this old Trojan's heart.
Right, So you know what, I will admit that, like I was skeptical, but you have, you know, changed my way of thinking Mike the contract, especially because I was going to be like, what happens next season when he's what I got for the fifth time.
That that certainly could happen. But it's it's looking at it, so he is a uh, he's he's a ten million dollar dead or cap hit should they keep him? But he's a six million dollar dead cap So it's like, looking at the difference, it's like, why would you not just keep Brandon Cooks around for one more year?
Okay, a lot of teams could have said that, yeah.
He is is he got like a messy locker situation.
And I mean to understand, right, does he? Is he too loud?
I don't terrible driver two spots.
I don't know what it is, all right.
I do appreciate the concept of you know, you can't play dynasty fantasy football always to win three years from now. You have to make some moves to capture value today. To win today. You can't always be looking in the long view. You have to get you know.
Rahee Moster is a guy that basically was.
Almost off of rosters last offseason, very playable for a good portion of the year. Could have been picked up in Dynasty for pennies for the waiver wire from oh yeah, from the waiver wire. I mean, so there are those players that can contribute in the short term so you can secure a title. Mister Moore, we need a dynasty.
My guy for me it is Kyler Murray. He is so grossly undervalued right now in Cardinals don't even value him right exactly? You see how you I mean, that is how everyone is viewing it. The Cardinals are gonna suck, is he? Are they even gonna bring him back? Are they just gonna tank for the whole season? YadA, YadA, YadA. They Caleb Williams Yeah, Caleb Williams is gonna be our future quarterback. That is so irrelevant to whether or not Kyler Murray is good for fantasy football next year and this year and the year after and the year after. It doesn't matter who he plays for. He's not going to not play. Kyler Murray is a good quarterback. Look at what he's done in his career. He came in and was the quarterback seven rookie season, the next year the quarterback two fantastic for I mean that is a league winning type of asset. And then the following year he was the quarterback ten in only fourteen games. And then last season he was the quarterback six up through Week nine. Obviously, got injured and then tore his knee. And so now all of a sudden, because of the stink of the Cardinals, because of the injury, they it's real too.
Oh, it's real because not only one hundred and twenty degrees out there.
But yeah, when it's thinking, it's like you're in a porter potty. But nobody really values Kyler right now and he's currently injured. This is a dynasty outlook. This is a twenty six year old player. Is he going to be perfectly back this season, running like the Kyler of old. I don't know. I think he could. Deshaun Watson did when he came back from his ACL He ran a lot that first year back, so he could actually be good for the second half of this season. But who cares. He's a great quarterback that in the future. I mean, if you're in a two quarterback league, to me, he is like someone I have to go out and target because usually guys like that you just can't get a hold of in a two quarterback league. Who's trading Josh Allen? In a two QB league, who's trading Jalen Hurts? Nobody? And Kyler Murray is just not seen of in that tier. But when I think it's a fantasy points scored, he kind of is in that tier well.
And then trading one on one you can play that angle up all day. I mean, talk about the lack of confidence the Arizona Cardinals seemed to have in him new head coach, terrible football team. Yeah, so he might not even be the guy there.
To me, I think it's your opportunity to get a real, true fantasy difference maker in a dynasty format where you can you can just take the lumps and say, I'm this isn't a trade for right now. This is a trade for a twenty six year old quarterback who's probably got another seven eight years of good fantasy output.
I just look forward to when he salvages Kyle Pitts's value when he's the starting GA. Yeah, when he's slinging past ching Drake London. I like our po with b Jon Robinson in Atlanta.
You know, I love that call because I have a lot of questions with Kyler for this year, like even forget is he going to play or not? Like when he's on the field, And I looked at it, thirty percent of his fantasy production last year and career wise are from running, and I'm like, is he gonna run as much this year?
I don't know.
But long term this we might look back on this in seven years and be like, that was the lowest his dasty value value ever.
Got I think that's my point. I think that, barring some other catastrophic injury, this will be the lowest point. So get him. I mean, that's it's stock trading. You want to buy at the at the basement.
Oh I thought you bought at the top. That's a lot to learn, and that's told.
No matter what happened. Oh man, you don't want Diamond Hands and Dynasty, you are in trouble. Trey Lance over there, I'll close it out. Dynasty my guy is actually the same name that I have as a redraft my guy. This year, I am chasing the White Whale and Dynasty, which is a running back well in story, just so you know, it is the right. It's a running back that you can, I think, actually acquire. You got to pay up, but has longevity. And this Jamiir Gibbs of the Detroit Lions, it's not a surprise everybody wants him in Dynasty. The reality is is you cannot acquire b Jehan Robinson. That is not going to be achievable from my gold Dead and yeah, yeah, it's not achievable. But I'm looking at the Jamiir Gibbs situation, first round draft pick, which means you got what a fifty year option coming his way. I look at that Alvin Kamara mark ingram rookie season comparison, David Montgomery is not there for the next five years. Jamiir Gibbs pass catching backs, they're the ones that actually have been paid historically the Christian McCaffrey type of contract. And I'm going to go trade pretty much anybody in the running back room to go get him right here, right now. I'd go out there and I'd swap in Austin Eckler to a team that doesn't want to do the dance with the committee in Detroit. I'm chasing the white whale of actually having somebody out my running back position that I don't have to rotate every single year. And I believe Jamiir Gibbs is that guy.
Well you have him right now as your startup running back three, so that means you'll trade just about any other running back for him. And uh, that makes sense if you believe in the white whale you're chasing. Just so you you know what it is you're you're chasing. It's not a great dynasty running back. It's a Detroit lion after Barry Sanders.
And what am I saying happened?
It's a curse.
Yeah, I'm here, Abdullah, carry on, Johnson.
I throw a job at best, job at best.
I started him on some Thursday night or Monday night game and he had a big touchdown and I thought the future was there? Man, what am I doing?
The heart wants?
What the heart wants, I mean, just the ability to.
Get maybe the Camara, the eighty receptions for five years in a row, six years in a row, longevity at running back.
I wouldn't mind it.
I just you know, I think my only fear, and again depends on how long you're looking, is just your hashtag lions. You know what.
That is the hardest part. I mean, there is just like there are things that people say that just are true. I just end up working out that way and you're like.
Oh, you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't judge it by the team, But it just happens that way.
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