Dynasty player debates and more! On today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast, Borg, Betz, and Mike discuss players they have rising confidence in! Plus, Jahan Dotson's dynasty outlook, tanking ethics in dynasty leagues, and veteran players to trade for on the cheap! Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for October 18th, 2023.
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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a baller.
Welcome in. It's Wednesday, October eighteenth. We're back. It's the Fantish Footballers Dynasty Podcast. The group's all here, Matthew Betts, Mike Wright, and I am Kyle Warganone.
Not Matthew Bats this week. Huh Not this.
Week, sir, Matthew Bats.
Last week. That was Kyle's intro. He was real quick with it. He was confident and he just tried to roll right through it. And Jason and I were like, wait, did you just say Matthew Bats?
Sure did? Is that like your Halloween? Oh?
Maybe persona and what it's not, but maybe it should be.
Like I would love it if it was your witness protection name. Like, they just did a really poor job and they were like, Matthew Bat normal ever guess that, guys, no one will ever know. No, I was, you know, it's coming off beach life. You know it's a little rusty.
I get it. I mean you know that's doesn't have a mustache anymore.
No, I'm back to normal, back to being presentable in public.
That's that's great news.
Yeah, better for everyone.
We're we're doing good work here for an audio format. We're we're doing great stuff. But guys, we're at the point of the season. I actually had to tell my wife. I said, hey, we're about a third of the way through the fantasy football season. We just finished Week six.
Yeah, you know, I guess mathematically that checks out.
She said, so, am I gonna get the other version of you after the end of the season. That's like, is that a conversation you all's household? The other verse version, the non football season version of myself.
Well as in, just like you're you have more time for other things.
I'm not as distracted people.
Okay, I mean because to say that it's an other version, I mean that would I feel like she's saying that you are a less than version, like you're a meme or something. I mean, I'm just walking around his house. I get stressed out of his mind every week. Well maybe maybe there's that, but I'm just like, yeah, I mean, my nights will open up and Sunday. I that's the part the wife does not like Sundays that I go in at essentially eight in the morning and I come home at about five ish, And that's a Sunday and then I'm like, oh, back to work tomorrow. Sorry, honey, Yes, I'm working work. Yeah, it's been.
It's been talking about that's household because of the same reason on Sundays, but also Thursdays and Monday nights. And usually I'm like, yeah, we'll hang out on you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, watch show, Friday night.
Whatever.
But now, like with the Phillies, I'm like, hey, they're in another game tonight. She's like it's Tuesday. I'm like, yeah, baseball, like it's here. She also didn't love that I dropped on her. The NHL is back for hockey, college football is in full swing, so yeah, I think she's ready for February.
Did she know who she was marry you? Oh?
Yeah, we do this every year.
Let's say, did you just like did you hide all the sports fanatics stuff? And then as soon as you're married, like, oh, by the way, I'm a diehard sports fan. No.
She all she knew she was getting too, but she kind of forgets every summer when life's good.
Yeah, we all do, and then all.
Of a sudden fall gets here and she's like, oh man, yeah we're back. So yeah, we're in we're in right now, Kyle sports Yay for sports.
Yeah, we're We're gonna talk about on this podcast some players that we have risen in confidence, Players that I had no no business even liking at all, but now I'm actually interested in Dynasty. So we'll talk about that in just a second, and then our first ever full Dynasty mailbag. We'll get to answer some listener questions a live drop from your boy, Mike.
Right, so I've been told yeah, right before the dives.
Mike, I did some deep dives on the mailbag before the show, just to see where we've been.
You are a meticulous man when it comes to research.
I went through some twenty fifteen archives.
Oh, I thought about goodness, gracious.
You know what, Mike, you actually sound pretty similar to yourself. I will say, yeah, I have an aged Andy sounds different.
The lower voice or higher voice. What are we talking here?
Yeah, he's a little bit more uh, you know, loose with the tongue now, like he's just able to like, you know, his voice inflections are different. He'll joke it's it's different, but.
You find yourself over the course of ten years.
Yeah, so great step. We'll talk about that mailbag But my first question that I have for you guys, is a player that you would say, man, I am so much more confident heading into week seven than I was in Week one. And maybe in week one you thought, suckers, you have this player on your team, I'm not interested, maybe like oh, it's a really easy like sell opportunity. And now it's a player it's like, I think, I think I want this player on my team. So Bets, I will let you start first. A player that you are increasingly more confident now.
Yeah, it's hard not to be more confident about Travis Etn after what he's shown for the first month and a half of the season. And you know, in dynasty circles, we love these rookies, right we're talking about well, Tank Bigsby's probably gonna carve out a role. They talked all off season about backing off on Atn's workload. They have done the exact opposite seventy nine percent of the snaps and eighteen point eight opportunities per game. And the thing that we were always asking ourselves is like, where is this pass catching role that he showed at Clemson. He's seeing four targets per game this year and over the last two weeks. The other concern with Tank Bigsby was while he's gonna get the goal inne roll, Travis Etn has handled one hundred percent of the inside the five carries for Jacksonville two weeks in a row. He's just been awesome, man, and he looks explosive in a good offense. So I have a lot of Tank Bigsby. I don't have much of Travis Etn, you know, even in like redraft leagues or best Ball, and I am regretting that big time.
Let me let me put that to the test. Name the running backs you'd rather have in Dynasty than Etn because I feel like he's right there among the top five right now.
Yeah.
I mean it's it's tough because there's so many that are great, but they're kind of aging out, like the Ecklers and Derek Henryes of the world obviously, So I mean it's I feel like it's CMC, Bijon, Jamior Gibbs, maybe b Brice and that might be it. Honestly, I think that's fair.
I think he belongs four five and then Jonathan Taylor would rather Jonathan Taylor or Travis Etn.
Uh that's tough. I think it's a coin flip.
I guess.
I guess I lean Taylor with the recent contract EXTENTI h when you're thinking long term, but for this year, I would rather have you Tan.
Yeah, long term, I'll take Taylor because I mean the in the process of what everything that I think Jacksonville was genuine when they were saying all those things about Tank Bigsby. I think you know, when you're hearing all those things in the part of your process, you know where it's it's a game of probability, you're trying to leave yourself open to things. I think where because I took a massive l on Travis Etm, I was out, like I really thought Tank Bigsby was going to come in. But part of the process I didn't account for enough was what if Tank Bigsby is just he ends up not being good enough, Like he's not the player they thought they drafted because he was a player I liked. He got Dray to Day two Capital, so it was like, yeah, of course this is going to work out. But yeah, I think that that's probably I think that's the problem is what we've seen out of Tank Bigsby and what they're seeing, I'm guessing and practices. He's not ready. So I think that I'll go Taylor over ETN because I think that long term, there still is the opportunity that Tank improves, gains the trust, and then next year you see a more shared backfield. But for now, Etn's that guy.
I'm gonna throw out a player that he throws me off when he's on the field, because I don't know why he has this number. It's Rashid Shahid of the New Orleans Saints, number twenty two. Does anybody else like when you see a wide receiver going down the field on a you know, forty yard target, You're like, what is he doing with that number?
Chucking up the deuces? Bro twice?
I guess because it's it throws me off. And then I'll say this, it's really easy to fade any player that's an undrafted free agent, say can they keep this up? So he had a little bit of burst last year a couple of games, but man, I he's involved in this offense more than just a gadget player. His adot's huge. We already knew that eighteen point four, but he's getting around five targets per game. His route rate went up to ninety six percent this past week, and he had a career high twenty nine snaps in the slot. So it's not just some you know, I used to think he was just like a nine route guy, only that's all he's gonna be catch a deep bomb. That's like he's he's getting a little bit different looks. And so this past week he made two huge highlight reel catches like he had the touchdown and he had another great catch. I think what he is is if you are in a league that has two flexes, you can feel confident if you need that nitro boost in your second flex spots and you just want to shoot for the moon, like you have more confidence than I'm going to get goose egged from this player. So it's not somebody that I thought i'd be talking about, you know, in week seven, But I think Rashid Schaha can play, and it seems like he's a big part of this offense.
I'll jump in with my character and it's Isaiah Pacheco running back for the Kansas City Chiefs. Who I mean, we had our short term concerns for Isaiah Pachecko of the seventh rounder he was injured all off season. Does he actually hold on to that job? You know, it's probably not Clyde or like, but do they bring someone else in? They they were rumored, they were you know, like they were rumored and connected to both Beijon and Gibbs, which they didn't have the opportunity to draft them. But even still, the rumors, you know, they start infecting your mind of We've seen these running backs flash in the pan with when they don't have draft capital and then they are simply replaced there, thanks for their service, and sent along their way because we want to get our true guy in here. But this Kansas City Chiefs offense is I mean, it's morphing. This year we're seeing a lot of Isaiah Pachecko. We're seeing a lot of them in the passing game. You know, like last year, once he finally took over the job, it looks like he was about you know, a five percent target share and this year he's sitting at nine. You know, we had a we just saw a game of him getting six targets. Like he is I featured part of the offense. He is getting goal line work, you know, like some of it, at least where that like in the past, that's been once they get inside the five, they just put Jack McKinnon, and they're not always doing that anymore. And I just I'm getting to the point now where I think that maybe Pacheco is maybe his starting role is safe. Where coming into the year, you know, I'm revisiting my my startup rankings, and of course hindsight makes everything look look dumb, but it's like Rashad White, Aaron Jones, cam Akers, you know, like these were guys that you had more long term confidence in than Pacheco. And I think that Pachecko is probably we ranked ahead of those guys now in Dynasty. Is just wild to see how much the team has leaned on him in these past few weeks, and I think they're just gonna keep doing it. Yeah.
So far, he's seeing twenty eight percent of the team's total rushing attempts and targets. On our site, we call that the workhorse percentage, which is near RB one levels, like if you hit thirty percent, you are the teams like true, Like right, true, dude. So he's hitting close to those levels and he's been steady, you know, last couple of weeks over the last month. My question is if you were a team that's like, hey, I kind of just lucked into Isaiah Pacheco, you know, like he was sevens round picking the NFL Draft, Maybe you gotten in the third round of your rookie draft two years ago and you're still rebuilding. Is he a player that you can capitalize now because contenders want him, everybody's dying for running backs. Is he someone that beyond this year you want to hold even if you were in a rebuild.
Like a blue I don't know that i'd consider him a blue chip, like on a rebuild where it's I you have to keep building block Yeah, yeah exactly. But if you are rebuilding and you can turn him into like a long term wide receiver asset, I would. I'm very cool with that. I'd feel like the when you're rebuilding, the running back is kind of like that last piece that you need to plug in and you find them through draft. So if you if you got lucky and can turn Pacheco into something else, I'm okay doing it. But I I'm rising on that. I think that he stays there starting running.
Back next year.
Yeah, I think he's gonna have to to mess up to get you out of this role, right, because you think about the contract for Mahomes and for Chris Jones on defense, Right, They've got to find guys like this to just plug in and play. And that's what they've been doing at wide receiver and it's worked so far. And you know, he's cheap, he's costing them nothing. So unless he does something to lose this job, I do think it is his next year. But that said, like in a rebuild, I'm always trying to get like you said that young wide receiver. What do you guys think would you take a first for Pacheco if you're in that situation.
I would.
I think you could get even more right now, like I think that you can get a first plus another player in there if you're rebuilding, because people like look at him as like he's the dude. There's nothing nobody else. Clyde's gone this next year. You know, they didn't pick up his options, so they're gonna add somebody else to his backfield next year. Now that's so far away that you know, you can play so many guessing games, but it's enough to say if you're rebuilding, you know and you say, hey, my team's not going to compete this this year, then yeah, move on for a first and maybe get a little bit more.
Would you trade Pacheco for Johan Dotson?
I know asked that question and I don't want to answer.
We have okay, so we put out questions for mailbag, which we'll get to. The most talked about and most asked player is Johan Dotson by far, Like what do I do with him? So if I was the Pacheco manager, I would want more?
Yeah, wow, I think that's probably right. Maybe Dotson in a second.
I think I would be open to that.
Mike, Yeah, I'm definitely open to that. And I didn't. I didn't want to get too much into Dotson. He just he comes. When I'm looking at startup rankings, it's like, oh, yeah, this player who was great but is underperforming now because like you're not you're not going to get you know, Debo or or Christian Watson or you know, any of the this year's rookies. It's just trying to find that perfect match, Like what about uh, what about Hollywood Brown? You think you could get that done?
It's a solid offer. I think I think people undervalue Hollywood for what he's doing, right, now and what.
He's gonna do twenty six?
Is he going to get an extension?
You know what?
It's like they're more in Arizona.
But like, I have not heard anything about an extension for him. I would be pretty surprised if they don't. But at least the rumor mill is pretty quiet about it right now. Yeah, I think.
I mean, he's Kyler's boy, right, I think they they've shown they're trying to keep Kyler happy in general, I think so far since this coaching staff took over. So I think he does get an extension. But obviously that's a gamble you gotta take.
Yeah, we'll talk about Dotson though in a second, because I'm a Dotson manager and I'm terrified. I'm terrified to even start the guy much less like figure out if I can trade him or anything. Like he's just sitting there. I don't like it. So we'll talk about him in a second. We'll get a bunch of different questions. Mike, do you have the pipes warmed up?
I mean, sure, let's go.
Mailbag.
Oh, I so I mentioned earlier, I've done a fair amount of research with the mailbag. I even went so far to try to trick you guys earlier this year to figure out how many times you haven't done the mail back drop Mike, and you saw right through it. So I don't know if you remember we did that on a show, but I did want to give you a chance to share the origin of the mail bag part because that came not from you, but that came from Jeremy.
Correct did Yeah? So Jeremy aka al Borland Producer Extraordinaire was the He was the Fantasy Footballer's first ever super fan. Like back when the show was just me and Andy, he would listen to every episode at his old job. He would like use his time in their resources to make it go Jeremy for a long time. Oh yeah, I've known Jeremy since elementary school. But like he would use his time and resources to make us swam for the show. He one of his badges of honor was he we changed logos of the podcast pretty quick, like we just had one that Andy kind of whipped up and but that's what he had. So he was like a super og fan. And then just one day because he was on our flag football team and one day he told me, I don't remember how that came up. But he mentioned the the hits of the mail bag drop where you know the do do kind of like a triplet there. He's like, I always sing the word mail bag when that's going on. I'm like, oh, well, maybe I'll do that. So he's the one who came up with the idea, and now I'm stuck doing it until I die.
I just kind of got bumped into doing it. I did find one of those old logos because I started listening to the end of probably twenty fifteen.
So you wait, the brown football textra background.
Oh yeah, Jay and that to each other. So nice, yeah, good times. Here's some questions we got from a listener. Some of these are from XA Gay Twitter, and then a lot of them are also from Discord. So if you want to get those questions answer best our fans footballers, Discord is always popping, especially the dynasty channels, even in the off season. So first question is about trade timing from Dean. When is the best time in a dynasty season to trade away a big valuable asset like CMC if the playoffs are out of each is it in season before the trade deadline or out of season before draft time.
I'll jump in and I would say right before or not. It doesn't have to be like countdown to the trade deadline, but it would be as the trade deadline is approaching, especially with someone like Christian McCaffrey. The reason being, if you go past the trade deadline and Christian McCaffrey gets hurt, your asset has now lost a ton of value heading into next year. And even though McCaffrey since those two years that were just lost unfortunately to injury, he has been like he's been an iron man. I know he's banged up, you know right now, but we don't even know if he's going to miss any time or not. And if he does, it's it should be minimal. But the point is he is an older running back, which maybe it's because of the two years, Like like do you when I think of Christian McCaffrey, I don't think of an old man. When I think of Austin Eckler, I'm like, ooh, he's aging out, And I think that the exact same age, which is is ridiculous and unfair of me to do that. But so if it's especially a running back, I would be flipping them in season and I would not be holding onto them and like, oh man, if I just wait and I do this over the offseason, I'm going to extract so much more value. And it's no, I'm going I have a player who could get hurt it at any time, So I'm gonna trade him now.
Yes. Keep Here's a simple rule of thumb is in season, your players have more value because we're actually playing the game. We're playing right, Like you see the scores, you're in it. You feel, you know, if you're playing against a certain player and you want to trade from me, like I've I've played against that player. I know how well they're doing. You know, like if I played against Like if you ever played against Christian McCaffrey, you're like, crap, I hate this. This guy's going to destroy me. Out of season is when your draft picks only acquire more value, especially as you get close to the NFL Draft. So I would say right now is the perfect time to do it. And well, not perfect for CMC because there's some doubt about injury, but like he's gonna come back. He's gonna be a CMC. He's gonna have a touchdown for what the fifteenth straight game or whatever, and he's gonna be fine, but yes, before your trade deadline is probably the best time to do it. Bets you have any thoughts.
Yeah, I mean I definitely agree in season that's the time to do it. If you are a you know your team is not going to be contending in that upcoming season. I think it's fine to trade guys like this, like right before the season starts, if someone's willing to give you, you know, fair value. I think that's totally fine. But I would definitely be trying to make deals like this, like you said, before trade deadline, because the conversation could be totally different this time next year.
All Right, we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll stress out about Johan Dotson. All Right, I promised you some dots in time, and the number of questions we got is ridiculous. I'm just gonna people like the rat King, which really stood out to me on Twitter.
What a hand are you wish? Are you aware of the rat King from the Ninja Turtles?
Oh, I'm I'm definitely there. Sometimes my kids watch the cartoon in the car when I'm driving the van. Old wait Older New nineteen eighty seven.
Oh baby, yes on DVD. Oh so you got the HS tapes out, get it from a back and you had to like, could get him from Burger King, You guys are probably too young for that.
I had older siblings that would do that, so I get it. Yeah, that's incredible.
I got all of them on I got all of the original one on DVD, and so my kids just kind of cycle through him. But man, the writing as a kid, it doesn't hit you. No, the plots are pretty simple, and later you're like, wow, they give Raphael as many puns as possible in this show. So from why does.
Leonardo never use his weapons?
It's like he does a lot of kicks for someone with giant two swords. So on Twitter, the rat King warwn, Austin Sport fan Steven Bartholomew, they're all asking what do I do with Johan Dotson? It's literally the same question they asked too, what do I do with Johanna Dotson? And I think it brings up a bigger point that we also got. This is from Preston on Twitter. What do you do with a guy you were hoping would make the second year breakout but didn't. Guys like Dotson or Burkes, what do you do with those types of players. So let's talk about that in terms of the general strategy, and then we can zero in on our boy, Jahan Dotson. So what are you guys thoughts on just second, your breakouts that don't seem to be happening right now?
Go ahead.
I was gonna say, it just depends on the situation, like portrayal on Burks. You know, obviously it's been terrible, but he hasn't been on the field like at all. Right, Remember he had that August injury, then he kind of reinjured the knee, and we haven't seen him in about a month. So that's why it hasn't happened. I'm not saying he definitely would have broken out if he was healthy, but like you can tell yourself a reason why obviously it hasn't happened yet. Now do I think it's gonna happen with this Ryan Sannehill injury and Milik Willis and or Banana rama under center? I am quite worried about that. So situations matter, and obviously that is a huge part of it. But you know, I remember always trying to remind myself, like why were we so excited about a certain player? You know, in July and August before the season actually starts, and a lot of it when he comes down to dynasty and wide receivers. Is NFL draft capital production profile? Not only coming out, but what do they do in their first year in the league, and if the numbers suggest they're a good bet to break out, I think you stick with that player even through a down stretch. Now refter, to remind ourselves, the NFL changes so much right week to week, month to month, year to year. It's been six weeks across Johan Dotson or Whoever's career. That is such a small sample size. So I'm more willing to kind of, I guess, go with the downtimes when the player has flashed already in the NFL. Versus, We talked a lot in the show about sky Moore this offseason, saying like, look, he didn't do anything really in year one. If he doesn't do anything early in the year in year two, like it's time to abort. And That's where I'm at with sky Moore, Whereas a guy like John Dotson has at least flashed as a rookie. So I'm not willing to jump ship quite yet. I'm worried about Treylon Burke's and then the other name in here is Drake London, who I mean, I'm still very much in on Drake London. He's actually been totally fine for Fantasy and very consistent. Yeah, it does mean ridder. So I'm in on Drake London.
Because Johan Dotson had such a good rookie year. I'm still in Like I think that they whatever this new system is, it's it's broken for Johan Dotson, and long term, I'm looking at Washington. I believe Ron Rivera is in year three of a five year contract and just hold on because there's a chance that Washington loses a whole bunch of games and they clear house, you know, like they just did. The team just sold in everything, right, So I mean, you got you got a whole bunch of changing parts for Washington, and you stay the course with talent. There was a I was watching some tweets unfold at the beginning of the season, Adam Harstad if you guys are familiar with them, like super sharp, great follow on Twitter, like real thoughtful analytical guy, and people were, rightfully myself included, super pumped about Jay Flowers. It was holy crap. Week one I think it was like ten targets. It was just beyond anything that you could have hoped for for Week one of a rookie to come out and look like, oh, holy crap, this guy's already the number one wide receiver for this team. And then but then the Dynasty community was like, there was a bunch of polls and it was well, okay, who do you want, Zay Flowers or Drake London, And it was overwhelmingly in favor of Zay Flowers because Drake London had his oh I mean just boom boom right in the pants and it was like and so everyone is immediately out like, well, yes see, see see they don't throw the ball. Drake Lennon is an afterthought and it's hold on man, Like Drake London flashed his rookie year, huge target share. Yes, the situation is not optimal, but remember who Drake Lennon is, top ten pick, first wide receiver taken that year, had a really solid rookie year. To immediately throw all that in the garbage for a player who's was taken much later in the first round. It had one good game. It's like you got to pump the brakes man you got talent, you need to bet on talent in a dynasty league. And Drake London proved he had talent in year one, just like to me, Johan Dotson with his draft capital, proved that he is someone who can. Maybe he's not a wide receiver one like I think Drake Lunnon is a one. Maybe Dotson's not a one, but he's a really really good wide receiver two. And they are mismanaging and they're misused him right now. So it's really stinks because he is a dynasty hold for me, maybe even a bye if you can get him cheap. But you can't blame him. So like it's gonna feel real bad to go trade for a player that's gonna sit on your bench and do absolutely nothing. You have a good point for Betts is pulling up Davante Adams numbers and Davante Adams. I mean he's kind of the outlier because he was like bad and then he was really bad, and then I think it was year two that Jordie Nelson went down to an ACL tear in the preseason and it was, well, this is Devanta Adams time. He's got to step up and show us he can be a number one, and he did not. He was, in fact worse year two, and then he's one of the best wide receivers we've ever seen. So there, as long as they show you something, buy in. And I think that dots And has shown me enough that I'm willing to hold wait out what's going on here. Unfortunately, though, in the meantime, you can't play him like he's he has an easy drop in redraft in Dynasty. Just put him on the bench and remind yourself from time to time. I still believe in this player, but it's gonna take some time.
Yeah, just you know, in the middle of the week, you know, put him in the wide receiver one spot. Boost his confidence.
Yeah, go go watch some go watch year one Dotson highlights, and then like pump yourself up.
When it gets to like Friday or Saturday, then you move him, you know, like after he's kind of been built up, that's when you put him to the bench. Like as a Dotson manager, I did a deep dive because I was like, what is different this year? Because I don't think the player all of a sudden, it's just bad. And we liked him a lot last year, so he's top ten right now in routes run at the position, which is painful. As Bets would say, he's on the All Cardio team this year. He's running a ton of routes so fit it doesn't matter. But guys, he's bottom five in yards per route run at zero point six two, which is that's the sky more like territory. That's like Alec Pierce mvs. That's the worst of the worst in the league. But here's what's changed this year. His ADOT is nine point nine compared to fifteen point fours last Year's getting a ton of targets. Last year, thirty percent of his targets thirty percent were twenty plus yards down the field. That was a top twelve mark. That's like they were using him like a DJ shark whoever like down the field, Chris o'lav like that's his role. This year, ten percent of his targets are just twenty plus yards down the field, so he's getting more snaps in the slot. So my biggest question is is b Enemy coming over from Kansas City installing assistant where he says, hey, we won in Kansas City by just spreading the ball around, and you're kind of seeing that in Washington. Is it a Curtis Samuel week? You know the week before was a Logan Thomas week. Mclaurin's gonna be consistent. He seems like the clear one. But it's just kind of totally spread out. And if that's how it's gonna be, I think that's what people are looking at and like, I gotta get out. But like Mike said, what are you gonna get out? What are you gonna get for Dotson? Right now?
Like, I mean, I'll tell you what I've done, which is trade for Johon Dotson where everyone is nervous and freaking out and maybe this is maybe it just keeps getting worse, and truthfully, that is possible. But also I think when you're thinking, like Mike said, fantasy football is probability based, I think it's very likely at some point Johonda Dotson's valuable rebound. You know, maybe it's this year, maybe it's this coming off season, whatever it is. But like I've traded a second for him, and I'm totally fine to take that risk on a second because second round picks and dynasty leagues for rookies truthfully almost never work out. I mean, it's like less than fifty to fifty right percentage. So that's a bet I'm willing to make. Like you said, we're betting on the talent profile and remembering why we were excited about this player, you know, this offseason. The other thing too, I wanted to mention is that we had this unfair expectation right when Terry McLaurin injured his tough right. It was like, oh the turf toe for Terry, like Johan Dotson is gonna emerge the one, and in redraft leagues and beast ball leagues, his ADP went up like three rounds in a matter of a week. And if you have him a dynasty, you're like, oh, this is it right, this is it right here. So the expectations were sky high. Obviously he hasn't met any expectations, but certainly not those expectations. So yeah, I'm still on trying to buy Johan Dotson.
I'm glad that we're having this therapy session for me because and for everybody out there, you know, all the people I mentioned, because it's tough in dynasty specific like this format is so bent on young players ascending in their second third year, and you're saying, I've got a player like John Dotson was somebody I drafted on my team in the early second round. Remember, he was kind of like thought of as like the least of that group, and so he kind of was deflated, and I was like, sweet, I have a second round pick that seems like a clear smash hit. He could, you know, be a awesome wide receiver two for my team. And now it's like, I'm just sitting there. I can't play him. I mean, he's just gonna ride away for a while.
So thank you.
I needed that people. Next question from realistic Fins fan. This one's on Discord, says Heidi ho Borganino, which I like, how do we feel short term and long term about the passing game and pieces for Jacksonville. I'm heavily invested, but I'm slightly concerned that the higher peak isn't coming. I would say, guys, Jacksonville so far has been like mah, not great, not terrible. They've had some up and down games where they just didn't show up. They just beat the Bills two weeks ago. But when I looked at their like actual stats, how is this team performing, it's pretty much what we thought. They're tenth in points, per game, they're playing fast, They're third in place per game. So the scoring as a whole in the league is down, and so nobody's really a peak right now. Right like, no team other than the Dolphins are just blowing the doors off. So I would say, so far, Jacksonville, it's been fine. I think the hardest part is the passing game is kind of jumped. Who's the dude? Every single week? So what are your thoughts on this team? Because Lawrence is clearly going to be around, Ridley is a free agent after this year, and Kirk's got a lot of money come in his way, so Kirk's gonna be on this team for a while. Ingram signed an extension. What are your thoughts on investing in this team beyond just twenty twenty three? What do you think?
Bets?
Yeah, I think it's one of those situations that has the potential to be frustrating because of, like you said, the situation where Christian Kirk is signed to a lot of money. I mean, say Jones is making over eleven million dollars next year. That is a lot of money. And I think Jay Jones is kind of quietly like he might be sneaky good at this point in his career. Evan an awesome, you know, resurgence in his career with Doug Peterson, So you have all that we've already talked about Travis etn So like, of course, week to week there's gonna be games where you're disappointed, but in general, I still want to bet on Trevor Lawrence and this offense. Last year specifically, remember like the first half of the year, they were kind of just mah and we were all like, eh, like, is it actually gonna happen for Trevor Lawrence, And then after their bye week they exploded all offense down the stretch. So I think better days are ahead in general for this offense, even though, like you said, Kyle, they're tenth in scoring, so it's not like they've been bad. I just think you have to understand when you do invest in these pieces, it's gonna be a week to week situation. And the thing that's been nice recently is A Jones has been out, so you've been getting condensed targets with Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, and Kyvin Ridley. But like I said, I think Jones will command targets, so it is going to be a frustrating situation.
What do we do with Ridley? Because I remember Week one?
I remember, yeah, he was Week one was the ultimate team. Ridley did just the slowest trot around the base is celebration, fist pumping while the people who were out on Ridley like she just held their hands, hang their heads in shame and slowly walk behind them and going yep, no, I'm in, I'm in. You were right. I'm sorry. I was wrong. Calvin Ridley is that dude. He's back and he is not been that dude.
I So we had a conversation on this podcast, and I remember Jason saying like, hey, it seems like you know, he's only with his team for one year. We joked about him playing on his rookie contract. It's like as the season goes on, you look at this team and you're like, Okay, well he fits great on his team, but is he a player they have to have? And I again a sign So like, I don't know if he's tied to Trevor Lawrence beyond twenty twenty three like we we thought it was, I don't know seventy percent likely after Week one, right, I put I would lower the odds do you guys agree.
I think I would lower them Calvin Ridley because as crazy as it is, because he is on his rookie contract like this, this dude needs to go make money, you know what I mean? Like he and this that, and I'm not making a gambling joke. I am making a statement of he is already much older. Like how old is he is? He twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty eight, I mean he's twenty eight, doesn't have his second contract yet. He's a good player, so he If I'm Calvin Ridley, I don't care where I go. Whoever gives me the most guaranteed money, That's what I'm going to do because I'm going to secure the long term future of the Ridleys, you know what I mean, Like I'm not at this point. Hopefully it lines up. It would be great if it was Jacksonville, Like I want to be tied to a young up and coming quarterback, a team that would have some Super Bowl ass virations over the course of my contract. But I think he's gonna go full mercenary, just go get that sh money. And that can be concerning as when we see that happen, wide receivers lose fantasy value overnight because they go to such a bad situation.
He turns twenty nine this year December twentieth.
So that's insane.
It's wild for a team to invest in a you know, three four year deal for a player that on any given week he could be the wide receiver three on this team. I'm just saying, like, right kind of where it shows up. So bets you mentioned like they owe Christian Kirk a ton of money, They owe Za Jones a ton of money next year, Ingram's making money. Eventually Lawrence will get an extension as well. So I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's tied to this team. I'm not saying he's a trade away candidate by any means, but just don't tie him long term with this team forever.
Sure, And sorry, guys, I have to bring up the statistical comparison. So I'm looking at I'm looking at regular Dak Prescott and expensive Dak Prescott aka Trevor Lawrence, and through uh six weeks, Dak Prescott is it looks like about six to seven points fantasy points total behind Trevor Lawrence. So Lawrence is winning there. Dak a higher completion percentage a higher yards per attempt. They are tied on total touchdowns, uh and turnovers. It's Trevor Lawrence is actually winning that battle by turning the ball over more than Dak Prescott. Just you know, just springing that up for no reason.
We could have played the game drop we did that with.
Oh man, maybe I'll I might need to do that for the regular show. Kyle, just set that up.
I mentioned it last week to Jason, but I knew he was going on vacation, like, we need some more games in there.
Yes, and right, I mean I got such such pushback of not like not just automatically crowning Trevor Lawrence in my top seven. Ah man, but maybe I'm We're doing all right, So through six weeks, Lawrence is probably gonna win and have more points at the end. But it's it's fun for now, but.
The real ones. No, that's right, all right. Next question from Mick on Twitter. I'm tanking this year, join the club, but a league mate whose first round pick I have is also doing very poorly. Oh no, and I play him.
This week, dude.
So here's the ethical question. Should I bust out my best roster and try to win or continue to tank.
This is an impossible question because it's in the best interest of your team to to continue to lose, and so like, and we had we had this happen in our league, our main dynasty league. Al Barland did the quote unquote ethical thing and played his strongest roster the final week of the season. And Kyle, you co managed that team and you all one and the other team lost. So like, literally you lost Bijon Robinson because you play you you felt like you had to put out your best lineup. Do you have like looking back now because you you had you did with the second pick, it's Jackson Smith and Jigba. Well, I don't think. I don't think we're out. We're not out on him yet, but just looking back at what your team is right now, the moves that you're making as you rebuild, do you look back at that and go we I think there was a couple more questionable plays we could have snunck into the lineup, maybe maybe tried not to win so much. How how do you feel now with an ability to look back?
Oh heck yes, yeah. I wish we would have just tanked. I wish we would have put together the biggest turds in the league. We have basically said we are throwing out our morals. If you're weird, if our team is this bad, that's all we want to do. So Jeremy and I had a little pow wow before the season said I don't care what it takes, We're gonna throw out a trash roster. And we've done it by also trading. So we have five first round picks this next year.
Yeah, goodness, we've done We've done.
Really well trading, like not just like oh we're dumping people, but like gotten extra values.
You've got tremendous value. So the way that I look at the question of tanking, you have to feel the full roster, Like you can't just just can't just bench one or I mean because if you're allowed to bench one, why did you not just bench your whole team? Like there's really no difference to me the way that I have approached it because I've I've had to rebuild as well. Is my studs, my quote unquote studs are in the roster. Then the rest of it. Though maybe I make some decisions that seem subpar, you know, compared to like maybe there's you can look at the team and go, well, why didn't you play this guy? But and you can make a case of well, it's it's real, it's close. Maybe the other I thought this guy was gonna be better. YadA, YadA, YadA. Now that destroyed me. I mean that moved me from pick three to pick five one year because I played Justin Fields over Christian Kirk, I believe his rookie year so and Justin Fields ended up winning the game for me. So I got my own instant karma there. But the point being, play the main players who should not be benched, and then look at the rest of your your roster and maybe make some decisions of the guys that you think are the slightly worst. Play.
Yeah, maybe there's.
Too much like look at all that I mean this year, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see if Smith and jig But pays off. But I mean, go back to like the Zeke here. Zeke was the one on one. He was then followed up by uh, oh gosh, that Washington is his name is Dotson or Doson? Uh Corey Clement or cole Coleman, Corey Coleman and who was the other guy? Yes, I mean those picks two through four were slotted, and it was those three wide receivers with full confidence, and they sucked. They did absolutely nothing. And the team that got the one on one had zeke for years like you can't. There's too much at stake between the one O two and the one to one. Yeah, it's go get your pick.
Thank you. No, I feel good. I feel good about a process. Like I said, if you need to run twelve personnel this week, two tight ends, tight end flex you, uh, you can do that, all right, One more break and we'll be right back. All right. This next one's from Brandon Snyder. What are the realistic changes are chances of winning the league? If I'm only playing one quarterback in my two quarterback league, I've had a lot of injuries, and my quarterbacks right now are Trevor Lawrence, Desmond Ritter, and Aaron Rodgers. Can you win with that?
I mean, I would have to know what the flex is, but yes, there are certainly times where a low level second quarterback is not worth playing over a positional player.
And Ridder's been the better fantasy quarterback. So you're talking about Lawrence being the low level guy.
Oh yeah, get them, get him join in.
Man.
He injured his left knee last week. Don't thunk on him.
Well, Ritter's been awesome for Fantasy life. I know, train wreck, but I know, so that's what you think.
Yeah, I mean we talked about this, I think at some point this summer on the show about there's kind of this, uh, you know, misunderstanding of like two quarterback league or super flex, like I have to have a second quarterback, and yeah, I want you know, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, but so does everyone else. And so if you have one guy that's startuple and like you said, you know Ritter or I don't know, Derek Carr or something like that, it's like, maybe you have better wide receivers, maybe you have better running backs. I've got a league where I'm in a great position, but i have Josh Allen and Mac Jones. And I'm not playing Mac Jones. Oh that's a perfect name, you know, I'm playing like I don't know. I've got Derrick Henry, I've got Eckler, So I've got some good running backs, but I've also got plenty of depth at wide receiver. It's like, man, I'll just stream matchups with those guys. Get the guys that are getting touches and usage. I'm not playing mac Jones just because it's two quarterback leagues, so you can still be successful, but I think you need that difference maker at quarterback. That's the tricky thing. And I'm not sure Lawrence is there yet.
Yeah, it's if you're in a full PPR league, you can totally make up the difference. I mean, just even look at quarterback scoring recently this past week. It was like, okay, well, yeah, you played you know, your quarterback, but he got you fourteen points. Like you can make up the difference in a PPR like, you know, by playing other guys. So next question, this will be near and dear to your heart, Mike. It's from Richard on Twitter. What do I do with t Higgins?
Dude, Space, It's been unbelievably bad and me and Kyle lost this week. We should have played Wondale Robinson and I didn't even think of it because it was like, it's T Higgins, he's back, Joe Burrow is playing better. Of course you're gonna play T Higgins, not fully thinking of the like that the gap between him and Wandale could actually cost you a matchup. So what do you do? Hold on, let the bye week happen, and then this team is improving. Joe Burrow is still not back back, but he had another play where he was just running around like his hair was on fire, trying to avoid the defensive line from hitting him. You know, just indicating now the calf is we're back, baby, We've got that improved. Now, let's just figure out what's going on with the offense, the offensive line. I don't think you can fix it right now, but Joe Burrow has in with this coaching staff. They've figured out how to overcome a less than off defensive line in the past. Give T Higgins another week to heal up from the broken rib situation. I do think he's going to bounce back. I saw I think it was Joe Goodberry uh Bengals follow on Twitter another good follow he had tweeted out of. This is like going through all the metrics of of of T Higgins this year and it's like this is by far the worst T Higgins we've ever seen. Like his his drop rate is out of control, the actual catch rate is just so low, and it's we expect that T Higgins will bounce back. Maybe he is more hurt, Maybe he was more hurt than we knew, which a broken rib really sucks. But maybe he's pressing too hard because he knows it's a contract year right and and now, because I mean, he's he's playing for big money right now when I don't remember all the free agent wide receivers next year. But T Higgins is going to be the cream of the crop and should get a huge contract. So he's he's playing for that, pressing maybe a little bit too hard. Let the Bengals offense find their flow. I do really think that T Higgins bounces back, and I think he is in redraft or maybe even dynasty. Is a tremendous by low opportunity. A by low never feels good like if it is a true by low opportunity. We have there's too many times on giving fantasy advice where someone just has one bad game and you're like, oh, maybe go see go see if it's a by low opportunity, because crazy stuff does happen in fantasy football, so you have to mention it. But to truly buy low on a player is because they are down in the dumps, like Remandre before this past weekend, I mean, your confidence of that situation is it cannot be high, or you're a psychopath like it was. I believe that Remandre could bounce back because I believe in his talent, but he had been playing so bad and the Patriots has been so bad. But it was look at this, look at the schedule, These things do make sense. Maybe Romandre's and the Patriots are not good enough against a bad schedule to really perform, but maybe they're good enough against a positive schedule to perform. And it looked like it because Romandre had his best game in forever. So I think that a true by low you do feel something in the pit of your stomach that goes, maybe I'm making a terrible mistake right now, And that's how it feels about t Higgins. So that means it's a true bi low opportunity. He is a great wide receiver. He's just playing poorly.
So he's not yet twenty five. Before the season, we had him ranked as a borderline top ten, top twelve Dynasty wide receiver, and so I think that the pause in dynasty is I don't know where he's going to be this next year. So there's you know, so many unknowns. That is why it's a by low because you're using those unknowns to your advantage and saying, hey, m hm, regardless of landing spot, what do I think of this player? What do I think he can be? And then is there a gap between what he's worth, which I think he's worth a first plus in Dynasty, but right now people are trying to get out there. It's just one of those things where it's like talented player, no issues, we liked the team, and now it's like, oh, I'm just gonna pause, Like no, if you want to go buy him, you can for our first bets. Any thoughts on Higgins.
I just want to add on and just say be aggressive, like go get to Higgins now, because whether you're a contender or not, like if you're in a rebuild, perfect, he's struggled, he's injured, whatever. But like, man, they have really leaned into the past last two weeks. Joe Mixon has started to become very inefficient. There were some warning signs of that last year. I think Burrow is going to be chucking down the stretch here. So better days are ahead for t Higgins, Jamar Chase and the entire team. And I just want to list off the names of wide receivers he is competing with for a contract next year. We talked about Hollywood Brown, but it's like Mike Evans, ob J Curtis, Samuel Kendrick Bourne, DJ Shark, like Calvin Ridley. He is going to get a massive amount of money. So I'm training for Ti Higgins.
All right, a couple more here. This one's from Phil. I'm in first place. Congrats Phil, and I have a win Now team. Who are some older veterans that I can try to target to win a championship that won't cost me a fortune? Bets, you have a list of some players here.
Adam feeling Man talked about him, I think three times on the show, and.
I don't keep this.
How is it happening? Like I always want just to remind myself of like, Okay, the process was right this offseason. I'm not buying in, but you have to adjust right. And he's been great. He's getting so many targets, so you can get him cheaply. Raheem Moster. Same thing. I think there might be a window here with David Montgomery where he's probably gonna miss two or three weeks. But if you're a contender, you can embrace, you know, some uncertainty and get him down the stretch. The schedule for the Lions is really nice down the stretch. And then we talked about Hollywood Brown a little bit. But I think he's interesting god to get as a contender. The target quality hasn't been great, but man, he's seeing ten targets every single week. So I'm in on those guys.
I think a player that I'm interested in that hasn't blown the doors off yet is Tyler Lockett. He's like he's he's at the stage where it's like, Okay, it's getting old. If you're rebuilding, you probably don't want him on your team. But if you're trying to like add somebody with some explosivo down the stretch, they've already had their bye week. He's somebody that I would, you know, i'd still consider, like, hey, this this is a player that's getting thirty six percent of the team's air yards. Have got kind of you know, banged up this past week, but the team that we think likes to pass and they've had a connection Lockett and Gino in the past, So I like Tyler Lockett. Any names Mike any random names that come up to you, just a veteran.
I mean, I was just gonna jump in on agreeing on Tyler Lockett. Like I think, if you are interested in Tyler Lockett, you need to look at last week as a blessing that he didn't just go nuclear. He was six for ninety four. You put a touchdown into those numbers, and you're not at that very moment in time, You're not going to be able to go get Tyler Lockett.
But he is.
I mean, yes, we have hindsight now, but after in his bye week, Tyler Lockett was an incredible by low of where it in your stomach you might go, I don't know, man. The season is not gone as I had hoped for for Tyler Lockett. For Geno Smith isn't playing as good as he had He hadn't been above sixty yards yet, but he still had that two touchdown week against Detroit. And then what do we get right out of the bye week six for ninety four. Tyler Lockett still has it. It just hasn't all clicked for Seattle yet, and there is a chance that it absolutely will and they don't have I'm trying to think here, but what do we think of their schedule moving forward?
The Seahawks, we were pretty bullish bets at the beginning this season of their over in a team that we thought just had some value. I remember when we were doing their projections. But I just think that the fact that you're getting passed a by is is something psychologically people don't think about a ton. But yeah, they have some truly awesome games that they have down the stretch, especially like Philadelphia and Tennessee and Pittsburgh.
Is the playoffs, so the easiest in our metrics on the site for schedule adjusted, you know, matchups, wide receivers. So I think the Seattle passing game is set to take off here down the stretch.
Sweet.
All right, A couple more here. This one caught my attention because of the name on Twitter. It's from at Bilbo's underscore bagging. Just it's pretty simple. What do I do with Damian Pierce?
Oh, Mama, pray yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever, Deity you pray too.
You never had him in the first place.
Get no, this this week we because I have not heard anything of why or what happened, but this week should freak you out. That they were in a neutral two plus game script, and it was Devin Singletary. Like Devin Singletary, it was the dude. Yeah, Damian Pierce got a couple, he got a couple attempts inside the five didn't work out as you would expect. I mean, this is if Damian Pierce is gonna score, it has to be from either the one or further out and he breaks a run in. But this use of Singletary, maybe it's a one off, certainly could be that, but it is. It should be nerve wracking that Devin Singletary got so much work in a game they were winning, and because that's when I would expect Pierce to just get a crap ton of work, but he did not, and I would be I'm a little nervous about it. Right now.
They're three and three right now, the Texans, and I did some work looking at their schedule rest of the season. They're on by this week, and I just I worry about this team because he needs to be in good game scripts. He needs to be in a situation where he's getting those you know, ten zone carries, and it just hasn't worked. This team's run pretty hot and third down they have the sixth highest third down conversion rate and with a rookie quarterback. I love Stroud. Do you guys know how much we've all talked about Stroud. I think this has been a very pro Stroud podcast. Yes, I don't think we've hit the side of variance where he he's just gonna turn the ball over every once in a while, Like yeah, as a rookie quarterback. So that's scary to me for this teams. But if you're a contender, this is what this person asks, you just got a hold. It's a running back in dynasty. You can't. You're not gonna get fair value for him. I mean, if somebody rebuild thinks they like him, sure, but I just can't imagine somebody paying anything more than like a maybe a second. Would you guys take a second?
No, I would hold Pierce.
I would too, Yeah, probably for that. I'd hold him and just hope better days are ahead. Yeah, it's it's you can't. This is the lowest value currently is right, So you can't move on now and good? But just to speak share that quote that you just found Bets. Yeah, I was just gonna just let everyone know. Dimiko Ryans after the game said quote our run game was better. It was that complimentary back and forth between DP meaning Damian Pierce and Motor seven single tear. They call him Motor, they call him Motor. Oh that's the Hord flag. Yeah, he had some elite, elite finishes, Motor had some nice runs. Going to continue to balance both guys out. So that's not great.
Uh oh yeah, that's just the side of this team and him were like, we were excited, excited about the role, but draft capitol once again wins out. Last question I have here from Ruskin on Twitter. You talked earlier about about Remandre Mike. Are you holding Remandre and this person also throw in Kirn if you're in a rebuild. So two players that don't have great draft capital that who knows if they have the role next year? Who knows what those teams look like next year? By the way, the Patriots the Rams like things could change. So are you holding those players if you're in a rebuild?
Oh? Man, I'm trying not to have recency bias. I'm really trying not to, but I think I have more confidence in Kyrine for next year. Both what's wild is like, is Bill Belichick coaching the Patriots next year.
Let's put some percentages to it, because I will say he I think he is the coach next year, but I'm putting it at like sixty.
Yeah, I think I'm just slightly over half, like meaning that there is a there is a strong possibility that this this could be the end that the Patriots allow Bill Belichick to say, no, I'm walking away. I'm going to retire here. But then here's another question. Is Sean McVay the coach of the Rams next year? I don't know this dude keeps talking about retiring.
He's a goot to have his first kid.
I mean, he's got the cash. He could go get even more cash from Amazon or wherever, not have the stress of coaching. I think that McVeigh stays, but just saying that both of these guys are in really sketchy situations of not just the coaching, but of being just replaced. But k Kyrin's looked good. He's and I think that McVeigh and crew learned a really hard truth when they gave Todd Gurley all that money, and it hamstrung them to like what they could do for the rest of the team. I know salary cap doesn't exist, it does. The Rams had to make some unfortunate moves because of salary cap And if you have this running back who's doing everything that you need him to do, why replace him? Not every team is the Atlanta Falcons and where they're just dumb and they have a great thing and they have a great young RB who could do everything you need him to do. Like, Okay, not a dynastic question, but I'm bringing it up. Are the Atlanta Falcons are? Like? What do they look like this year? If Bijeon is not on the team? Are they that much worse? Or are they Is it neutral?
They're the same.
I think it's pretty close to neutral, as Bijeon is doing amazing things, making some really great plays. But I think it's it's only a slight downgrade now put in, I don't know who else they could have taken off. Carter is who I wanted us to say, Jalen Carr. Okay, put Jalen Carter on the Falcons versus bjeon. That team is better. Like I think that that hands down, that team is better. If they made that.
Move, it wasn't that hard. He played at George and.
He had the he had the off field stuff, and everyone got freaked out, you know. But but my point being not everyone is the Atlanta Falcons of they're gonna throw away a situation where they have a late drafted running back who looks like they're they're good enough to do everything that the team needs. Yeah, they're not true difference makers, but you don't have to have a true difference maker at running back. They're fun, but you don't need it.
Yeah, And just to follow up, I would say that if you're in a rebuild, I would trade away these guys.
That's oh yeah, I agree, Yes, rebuilding.
Yeah, any any running back that's not name Briez bro Jamiir Gibbs, like, yep, take them, take them. If I'm on a rebuild, you take them. I'm currently in a rebuild where I am starting Jerick McKinnon because no one wants him, and uh Tyler al Jeer or Damien Harris and I'm happy as can be waiting for my picks next year.
Oh I am. I am in a rebuild, and we traded away Aaron Jones and Swift this year and we're going with Rico Dawdle and uh, I think that's it. I think that's all we got salvadoch Met I think as well, so we can get a start or two. All right, that's gonna do it for this episode. Next week we have a special episode. We're gonna be doing a rookie redo draft where we look back at the rookie. We'll see how far Quentin Johnston falls, because huge. If he has a big game this week or at least just eight, if he's alive, we catch things will change because yeah, it's all about the ups and downs, a huge game. But he did not show up. He did not run out there. He did not. So anyway, check back in with us this next week. I have a good week, everybody.
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