Dynasty Bounce Backs + Let’s Play a Game - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Published Oct 11, 2023, 9:00 AM

Bounce back players and game time on today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast! Borg, Betz, and Jason review bounce back players from last week, and how their dynasty trade values were impacted! Plus, a fun game about Brock Purdy's dynasty outlook! Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for October 11th, 2023.

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a baller.

What's up? We're back the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast, Wednesday, October eleventh. I'm your host Kyle Borganoni, and I am jewel by Jason Moore and Matthew Bats back in the settle.

Is that Matthew mate? Yeah? It was definitely Matthew Batts. I think Kyle's got too much baseball on the brain right now, you know it's playoff baseball. He's like, oh, Matthew, now, baty, Matthew Bats.

Matthew Bats.

I thought my headphones like glitch tromaner neck glitch.

For a second.

I was like, did he just okay?

Yep?

He did just say that?

All right? Yeah you know so.

Yeah, Matthew Bats here with you for some playoff baseball talk.

I'm okay with that because my Braves are playing your Phillies this week, and Jason's Diamondbacks are also doing quite well. It's kind of fun.

Don't you dare? Don't you do Diamondbacks? Diehard? I am diehard. I don't do baseball.

It's kind of fun, though.

It's kind of fun. I like for the place where I live that the Diamondbacks were playing well, but I don't care. Let's talk football.

We do have a lot to talk about when it comes to football, and I was out this past week. So on Dynasty podcast, you got to tell me bats did Andy and Mike Holder down? That was the first time we've had that triumph rate together.

Yeah, it was a first for the three of us. You know, Andy was not the best in the host role. He's a little inexperience in that, as you guys know, So that was a little struggle for everyone to listen through. But yeah, man, it was fun. We talked some Dynasty trade targets for contenders. If he needed a guy to go and go out and get. We talked Dave Montgomery, he had a good week. We talked at him feeling he had a good week, and then we also talked about some guys that you could get for a rebuild. So it was fun.

Well, I was on the beach, but I was making some trades with al Borland. We traded away DeAndre Swift, we traded away Aaron Jones going full tank yard.

So did he tell you what he texted me about Aaron Jones?

He did tell me that he needed to back up. Jason made a little play at DeAndre Swift, but I feel like he knew it wasn't really going to happen.

Yeah. I mean I was trying to, you know, acquire on the cheap and grow my team. But it worked out for both of us because I was able to make a different move that I think is better for my team.

Yeah, we've got five first verus next year, So twenty twenty four, what a year that will be. We are glad you're with us on this Dynasty podcast. On the show, we're gonna be talking about Dynasty bounce back, some players in week five that went nuclear nuclear nuclear.

Clear new clear.

Man, My sis stinks Right now, We're gonna talk about some players that went off in week five and what that means moving forward, and then also discuss why it's so easy after a month into the season to fall into some traps with certain players and just say this is who they are, knowing that we have a bigger sample size. But to start the show out, gentlemen, I get to do one of my favorite things, one of my favorite things possible in hosting a podcast.

I want to play a game.

Jason, do you love that drop because Betts hates it.

So I love the drop, but I hate the game. Now here's the thing. When you get to play this game as the host of the game, which I've done many times, it is a delight. It is so much fun when you get to be the one to terrorize the other gentlemen on the podcast, making them sound ridiculous, feel ridiculous, while also enlightening the audience. Now I saw what this game was just now, just a minute ago. I know your game, and this is this is not gonna go well for for really anyone.

Yeah, Bets, you hate it.

I mean I I don't mind it when I know it's coming. But Kyle has done this on the DFS pod with me before, where you know, especially in our off season episodes, he won't even tell me that it's happening. He'll just put the put the drop in and say hey, surprise, and then I have no clue what we're going to talk about. I look like an idiot. So yes, that is Kyle's goal every episode, just to make us look silly, which I think is gonna happen to you.

Like I used to do this more with Jason, where I'd feed him, we talk behind the scenes and then he'd get to spring it on the other tube. Maybe we'll find something this week, Jason.

Yeah, I want to play a game.

Okay, we'll find some some stats. What this is we're going to compare two players, and I want my two fellow co hosts to just guess what they think the answer is. And it's clear there is a bend in this answer. And the reason I'm bringing this out is more to have a dynasty discussion about Brock Purty. Okay, just here's where we're at five weeks into the season. But what I did is I did some digging in the spreadsheets and I looked at Brock Purty's games so far in his career. He's had thirteen full games. That's how I'm gonna clarify this. Because he had the game in the NFC Championship where he threw four passes was gone and it was Josh Johnson. So I'm gonna throw that game out. Is that? Okay?

Yeah, that's fair. He was not the quarterback.

Okay, so games that he played I put it at eighty plus percent of the snaps he was the quarterback. And I compared that with Patrick Mahomes over his last thirteen games. So both of these players over their last thirteen games, that includes the playoffs. Okay, so who do you think has won more games in their last thirteen.

Considering the current record of these two teams? Oh? Man, that's they're both great. I'm gonna go Rock Party.

I was gonna say, I think it's party. Obviously they'reundefeated this year. But and then they lost that championship game to the Eagles. But that doesn't count, right, so he lost the game as a starter, No.

Just that playoff game.

Yeah, all right, so it's got to be Brock Party.

It is. It is Brock Party, because remember week one, Patrick Mahomes did lose to Alliance. So it's thirteen to twelve. I wanted to start off there wins, whether you call that a QB stat or not, just want to throw that out there. But what about total touchdowns? Who has more total touchdowns over the last thirteen games played? Patrick Mahomes or Brock Party.

Oh my goodness, gracious, total touchdowns?

I mean that matters for fantasy, right.

I'm gonna say that matter matters a lot. I'm going to go It's party. I'm gonna say Mahomes you want us to answer Party, it should be Mahomes.

You guys know me, Well, it is Mahomes, but by one thirty to twenty nine.

Yeah, I won't.

God thirty to twenty nine. Okay, So thirty to twenty nine that's wild, isn't it. What about rushing touchdowns.

Though, well, then it's obviously Brock.

It's it's Party four to two.

Okay.

Now I want to dig down a little deeper because Party has been efficient, The touchdowns have been there. He's been basically been like two fifty and two machine. This past week was four touchdowns. In terms of pure pass attempts, I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you this right now. Patrick Mahomes has thrown the ball four hundred and twenty two times over that span. Party has done it just two hundred and ninety nine times. Okay, So there's almost one hundred and thirty pass attempts difference between these two.

Okay, within thirteen games.

With thein thirteen games. Okay, So Mahomes throws more. That makes sense. Who has completed more twenty plus air yard completions.

It's gotta be Brock, or you wouldn't be asking the question.

I was gonna say, I think it's gotta be Party, because when you think about Mahomes, NBS is running wind sprints out there and Kelsey's getting the ball six seven eight yards down the field.

Every play is actually funny. You know, on the course of the career, Mahomes is an excellent deep ball thrower to Tyreek Hill, but since losing to Tyreek Hill last year, the entire season, he was not really a deep ball throw So this one is clearly Brock Purty, despite the fact that you think of Mahomes as a downfield thrower and you don't think of Brock Party that way.

Yes, it's Party eighteen to sixteen. And it kind of also reinforces the idea where Party is kind of seen as like, oh, he's just a game manager. You know, anybody can work in Kyle Shanahan's system, Like, no, he's hitting deep throws as well. And the last one, which is my favorite stat when I great quarterbacks coming into the NFL, It's what I loved about c J. Stroud is can they hit the intermediate throws? The eleven to nineteen yard throws? Those are the ones that matter the most over since you know what was that like, say, so thirteen games, who has more completions in the intermediate area of the field, Brock Party or Patrick Mahomes.

I with the passing attempts, I think it's gonna be close, but I'm gonna I'm gonna go in Mahomes. I think that would just be pretty crazy if if in that range of the field Brock is still better than Mahomes with that total amount of passing volume difference.

I think that's a good take. I think it's still purty because when I think about Mahomes, I picture the little you know, uh like touch forward when they're on the sweep or whatever, when that counts as past attempt you got screens left and right.

I think it's pretty It is Party fifty six to forty three. It's actually pretty big crazy forty three. Yes, this is where he slays. This is like his area. And the reason why I bring this up is because Brock Party is at a point now where we can't just say is the assistant quarterback. He's a antist quarterback, like he's the QB five right now in four point leagues. So my discussion is where does he belong in terms of dynasty? Because we've talked about this offseason. You know, we did our super Flex ranking shows. There's a big six or seven with Fields and Lawrence kind of at the end of that tier, is what we said. And then after that it was Tua, who who we'd say is probably way ahead of Purdy, But does Purdy belong in that next tier? Like after Anthony Richardson, would you put him ahead of Dak Prescott in Dynasty?

I don't, I don't. I don't think so. It's it's a worthy it's a worthy conversation. I think that brock perty is legitimate. This offense is unstoppable. But the one thing you didn't bring up in all these stats to compare him to Patrick Mahomes is total yardage, which is you know when you when you score Fantasy point points, your rushing yards are passing yards, your touchdowns. That's where everything is coming from. As a quarterback, He's got the touchdowns. He's a touchdown machine. He's guaranteed to a game. We saw last week him throw four. The issue is total volume here, and when you look, you know he's he's good on the season, but he doesn't usually have like monstrous week winning performances. I'm looking at last year when he was starting him playing very well. You know, three times he was in the top ten at the quarterback position two thirds of those times. So he didn't even hit twenty points, and that is high on the season was twenty one. So I think I still leaned Dak there.

I think it's I think it's pretty close in my opinion. You know, Dak's thirty years old now, Rock Purty not yet twenty four. He's got the weapons, they're all signed, like as Brandon Cooks have. Anything left. Is Gallop a difference maker? I don't know so at this point, I think the offense missus Kellen Moore in Dallas, I kind of lean brock Purty.

It's one of those things where I've always loved volume in Like if I'm gonna go for a quarterback who's mostly a pocket pastor, give me the volume. And you've been able to rely on efficiency, which is usually something we'd say like, hey, that's gonna regress. And I think TD right wise. We'll talk about that later it changes, but I think he's beyond a strong QB two, Like, I think he's more than that right now, and you probably can't trade for him in a two quarterback league because whoever has him probably got him for free and he was their QB two and now they're like, sweet, I plug and play every single week. This offense is gonna score almost thirty points every single week. So it's interesting because before the season he was in the we don't really know, it was such a small sample size, and now we're at a point where it's like, man, he just feels so safe every single week.

So he feels safe if he's got a safe enough floor, right, But he is not going to win people titles. I mean in a in a two QB, in a superflex where you need a reliable second option. He is he has an important role to play. But I still you know this is this is a true pocket passer. You know, looking at his starts last year that using the metric you said, over eighty percent of his games he averaged one point seven rushing yard per game. I believe it's up in the fours now this year. But this is a guy who is not getting any yards on the ground. He's gonna stay in the pocket delivered because they're their plays are so scripted. You know, they're they're designs. The Shanahan designs are like you're gonna snap the ball, here's where you're looking, then you're looking there. There's not as much playmaking necessary. So I still I still hesitate. I know he's been so consistent this year, and I don't want to detegrate anything he's doing for fantasy purposes. I still don't. I don't believe he has a ceiling. I don't believe he you know, this last week was his highest performance for fantasy ever. Took four touchdowns to get to twenty six points. He's not throwing four touchdowns usually. You know, in twenty six points, you're like, Dak Dek can get there. Dek can go out and have you know, a three hundred and sixty seven yard two touchdown game, add some scrambling on the ground. I just I feel like Brock doesn't have a ceiling.

That's yeah, and that's totally fine. He's but he's more than what Derek Carr was that you know, QB thirteen, QB fourteen, QB fifteen early on, Like, at least you can say this is an offense, that it's the sum of all its parts, and the parts are the best in the league. So I can ride with that now knowing, Yeah, maybe it's low in QB one, not a ton of upside, but if you're in a super flex league, you gotta be super happy. Bets. Any final thoughts on party here, No.

I think we touched on it.

You know.

Jason made a good point of like, look, the ceiling is certainly not going to be there the way a rushing quarterback or a mobile quarterback is going to be, So that makes sense. But yeah, if you're settling him in as like you know, a weekly like quarterback eight to quarterback twelve finisher most weeks, like that is so valuable in a super flex league especially, So, yeah, he's rock solid. And the best part is you probably got him for free off waivers or like a fifth round rookie pick or something like that, and now you're just riding it. So it's fun. I will say too. On Dak though, the rushing for him has really fallen off year every year over year since that ankle injury. Forty five rush at Temps last year, forty eight the year before. Like he's a pocket passer now through and through as well, and twelve carries through five weeks of the season right now for Dak, so He's right there with Brock as far as his rushing ability at this point in his career.

Let me just be clear, I am not saying that Rock Party is better than Patrick Mahomes. I was cherry picking stats because it's fun to bring up a discussion.

Which yeah, is and some of those stats are mind blowing. And also, Dak and Purtty are not on the same rushing level right now, pretty doesn't run the ball at all. Dak is like, I mean, Dak's not great. That's gonna be like one hundred and fifty maybe two hundred yards over the course of the season, which isn't great, but.

Like you know, isn't it two hundreds and twenty nineteen.

He's on pace right now for one hundred and fifty three yards and that's when they're getting blown out and blown out. But my point is, like.

What does it actually matter in Fantasy one hundred and fifty yards.

Over the course of the season. Yeah, But I mean, like, Party's a handful of pointment parties. Last year, his pace was twenty three total rushing yards over the course of a seventeen game season. This year it's like forty five. I'm just saying, is I think the Derek Carr comparison borg is actually really apt. He was like a four thousand yard thrower most years, threw enough touchdowns to be relevant, to never be a complete bust, to have a play, ran the ball, you know, eighty yards for a lot of his season. So I think if you look at Purdy the way that we look back on Derek Carr's career, I think that's what you're gonna get.

Yeah, and we'll see what it's like beyond this year. You know, if he's the guy gets an extension, they're not gonna be able to keep this crew together forever, right like Kittle CMC Debo. They're going to hit the twilight of their careers sooner than we think, probably the next two years. But it's really fun. It's fun to see somebody this far in the draft show up and uh, they're just good.

Yeah. I will, I will go back on my you know, I'm always redraft focused, usually from our main show, the Dak versus Purty conversation for Dynasty. That's where, Okay, you know, he might not have the ceiling in individual games that Dak has, but he's seven years younger. This is a bitty baby boy, you're talking about getting a huge, huge career from brock out in front of them.

Yeah, all right, let's talk about our main thing this week. Hello, every Bucky, I am back. We're gonna talk bounce back. And in Dynasty it can be tough because you're projecting over the course of time. But let's be honest, you are playing for right now. You're playing for this season. So it's one thing to talk about value for players and say this is what they're worth for the next four to five Years's another thing to say, here's what this player did right now, here's what they can help you for the rest of the season, and then maybe give some more context. So that's what we're gonna do. Talk about a couple of different players from these major positions. Should you trade them, should you hold them? And I also wanted to start each discussion off with some stats that matter, because a month into the season, if somebody gives you somebody's I don't know, yards per reception or they're a dot or something else, it's so easy for that to skew. I mean so easy. Somebody throws a hail Mary at the end of the game sixty yards that counts as a target that counts as a on their you know, a dot. It really matters, and that skews everything. So four to five games of the season, let's hold off on just saying this is who this player is because things changed, and things changed a lot for Justin Fields. Guys over the last two weeks. We had a discussion after week one that was like, this is bad, and it was bad for a couple of weeks, but I wanted to talk about his performance over the last couple of weeks, and I really wanted to highlight him as a thrower because him as a runner has never been something we've questioned. We've kind of questioned, are they going to use more design runs? That's the big conversation. Last year, when they started giving him more than five design runs per game, the team was awesome. They averaged over twenty one points per game and he was the QB two. Like he was awesome. This year, did they just decide let's fart around again, let's just have the exact same script as last year, because that's what they did right the first time.

Why, Yep, they were farting around out there.

That's for sure.

And then last year's script they traded Chase Hoipole.

Apparently they just said, you know what, justin Field is better without chasing the team. But he started getting more design runs in week three, week four, and then this past week he had five design runs and he went bananas on Thursday Night football. But not as a runner. I mean, fifty seven yards is awesome, but not justin Field's like eighty ninety one hundred yards awesome. It was him as a thrower. It was four touchdowns, two hundred and eighty two yards. What are you guys seeing. I know we're gonna put on our film hats for a little bit, but like, is there any difference of just his approach as a thrower that you've seen so far in the last two weeks, because it's changed from just dink and dunk stuff to hey, we're gonna throw the ball down the field.

Yeah.

I mean that's what they were talking about right in the first couple of weeks, and Fields even came out and he kind of said, like, look, these you know, shorter horizontal passes were the game plan and sort of, you know when he said, you could tell like he clearly was not a fan of that. And if you go back to his days at Ohio State. Granted, I know it was an incredible offensive line. He had all the time in the world to deliver the ball downfield, but he was a good downfield passer coming out, and now you're seeing the offense at least give him the chance to do that. So I think that's been nice to see. I'm hesitant to say this is the new normal going forward considering the matchups. Of course, Denver we know the story there, and then Washington has shown some up and down play on the defensive side of the ball this year, some good, some not so great. So yeah, it's good to see. I'm just not sure I guess necessarily where the truth lies quite yet.

Yeah, he has been absolutely awesome. The correlation between twenty twenty three games without Chase Claypool and twenty twenty three games with Chase Claypool really been impressive. There was a tweet that Nick Whalen put out, and I thought this was really nice, just to realize how good these games have been. He went and did the research on just how special justin fields back to back four touchdown passing games are to do that week after week. You know, you wonder is that common even in this modern NFL. The list of current quarterbacks to ever do it, Mahomes has done it five times, Rogers Aaron Rodgers has done it three times, Russell Wilson twice, Kirk Cousins twice. Josh Allen has only done it once, Watson once, Carr once, Lamar once, and now Justin Fields once. So this is, you know, a real special two weeks and it has been in the passing game. Half of it was against the Broncos, but half wasn't I. You know, I came into this year obviously high on Justin Fields. He was my guy. Tried to encourage through the bad games to to stick with it. Yes, So I don't know if I'm just biased. I believe he has the talent and capability to upgrade as a passer that you know, if I didn't think he could have been a good passer, he wouldn't have been a my guy coming into this season. Having seen it now in back to back games where he looks good, where he's freaking targeting Dj Moore like not a dummy. You know, you finally get your wide receiver one. You don't see a lot of games where you know, Jalen hurts is like, I'm not gonna look aj Brown's way. You know, it's like you you've got an alpha, take advantage of it. This isn't the new norm. You know, this is a special outlier couple of weeks. But I do think that for fantasy purposes, he's going to be great going forward.

Yeah, and just to give some numbers to it, last year, forty six point seven percent of his fantasy points came via the ground, which was insane, Like when you get up to forty percent, that's wild. Up to fifty percent is like historic numbers. This year it's just twenty two percent, which is actually a good thing, like to be able to say that this player can also get it done through the air, because if you didn't have the rushing numbers, you'd go, who is this player? Do I even want him? Like starting him at all? So I think you're gonna see some of those numbers increase. And yeah, four touchdowns is an outlier, but two, you know, one through the air, one on the ground, like whatever. It is like, you're gonna be able to get more consistent approaches. And one of the things that I've been most impressed with is he's still being pressured all the time. Forty eight percent of his dropbacks is number one in the NFL. That's actually really scary. But they're using more play action this year and he's completing seventy three percent of his passes on play action compared to just sixty percent last year. If you can do stuff like that, that opens up bombs to DJ Moore. And we know he's good after the catch, so the deep ball all that's like, those are the things that we want. We knew that he was good at bets mentioned and you're seeing just a wide array of plays as opposed to let's throw a screen and let's not run the ball with this guy. So you're getting more design runs, you're getting deep throws. That's the fantasy goal.

Now real quick, before we move on from him. Since this is a dynasty show, I think Justin Fields is gonna be awesome for fantasy this year. I think he can win people championships. I also think that at the same time that that's happening, the Bears are going to keep losing games, and even if they don't, the Carolina Panthers are going to keep losing games. Yes, and should they get the number one overall pick, which right now, they have very much the highest thoughts of achieving since they've got two horses in that race. I cannot see the Bears not taking Caleb Williams like that to me is what will happen? And should that happen and Justin Fields leads them to a poor season, I don't know that he gets a starting job elsewhere. So for dynasty purposes, do you take these two back to back monstrous performances and try to parlay that into trading at the perfect high moment, Maybe you try to go get a TUA who has you know, a longer guaranteed career ahead of him, even if his fantasy peaks aren't quite as high, or or trade him, you know, in a package deal for something. Do you do that? Or do you try to just use Fields to win a championship in your dynasty league? Now? I mean, would you be trying to unload him?

That's such a good question because it's rare to have a player who is playing well that you're also afraid that he won't be the starting quarterback, you know, like.

Yeah, this is a unique situation.

Yeah, so I think we can say that Justin Fields will be a starting quarterback in the NFL, like some other team will be like, yes, please, I want this player, and that's how Eileen like, Okay, let's say they do get a number one pick and they trade him away. They're gonna trade him a team that wants him to be their quarterback. So the situation wherever he would end up going, I think would be just fine. I got like, it doesn't. It can't be a situation where it's like this team is going to be twenty times worse.

It's so I hear your logic. It's the same stuff that I've used with like Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray, when people are scared about the Cardinals future, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the Cardinals got the number one pick because they would trade him to a starter. I'm just not as one hundred percent convinced that he would be a starter next year in the NFL. I think there is a world that exists where nobody trades for Justin Fields or he becomes a backup somewhere.

As we also have to remember too, like NFL teams and GMS coaches think about these quarterbacks way differently than we do, right, Like it could be so fun for us to be like, oh, like these design runs are crazy and the scheme is different, so it's better. But like if he just fails the passer moving forward or next year, if he does land on a new team, they're not afraid to move on, like we see that year after year after year. Right, So, I mean it's such a tough call because the schedule opens up very well for him right now. It's like if you are a contender and he's your guy, I get it. I mean Vikings, Raiders, Chargers. His next three matchups, you get the Panthers in there, the Lions twice, the Vikings again, Like you can throw on all these teams, right, so it's a good matchup.

Okay, so just real quick answer this question. Would you rather have Dynasty League? You just get to choose. You can choose to have justin Fields on your roster or two on your roster. Who are you picking?

I'm gonna say I think two as well.

Okay, that's that's three. Uh, it's see because I went to as well.

It's good math, Jason. I think my last little point on Fields is if you're going to trade him now, like, if you're not a contender and if you say, you know what, this is peak value. There's so many variables moving forward. He could stink again, like whatever, whatever you think it is, then it makes sense to move on because you're trying to get picks for the future, whatever it is. But if you're contending, you just got to ride this. I mean, it's rare to have a player that can hit thirty forty points for your team, you know, just any given week. It doesn't really matter the matchup either, Like he could actually do it. So we'll take a quick break and talk about one more quarterback. All right, we're back, and we're going to talk about Joe Burrow, who through the first four weeks, I mean, doo doo was the word that I could use to describe some of his statistics. And his aidat was six point six, which is really bad. His yards per attempt guys was lower than Bryce Young, which blows my mind that he would be using though he had one completed pass of twenty plus air yards through the first four weeks, one of them. And I found this quote from Burrow, and I thought it was very clear. He said, my ability to throw hasn't been affected through this injury. Mainly my ability to move in the pocket, run for first down, sixtend plays, and find that extra second. So as a thrower, I don't think I've been worried apart from that Week one game where you know it was rainy and gross and whatever. But he went bananas. In Week five against the Cardinals, Jamar Chase went nuts. And I also found this quote Zach Taylor said he spent a lot of the game on the headset telling Burrows stop scrambling, throw the ball away, and Burrow just said I didn't listen. Which Burrow is one of those players that we kind of have this case study the last couple of years. Zach Taylor tries something, has a game plan for the first couple weeks, and then Burrow just says, screw it. I'm gonna do whatever I want to do. It's Arry Rogers esque and you're seeing good Fantasy production from it. So with Burrow, I wanted to gauge your temperature of how worried you guys were before this past week before he went for three seventeen three and just destroyed the Cardinals. How worry wereld you before? And then did that alleviate any concerns that you had? So Bets why don't you start first?

I mean for Dynasty, no concerns, right, I mean, Joe Burrows clearly the guy he's locked in. He's been incredible since he's been a starter, so there was never really any long term concerns. I think certainly it was fair to say, look like the calf injury is a major factor, but there seems to be other things going on that the offense is not functioning, so it wasn't just the calf injury. It was like, oh, man, like I'm I'm worried about how they're looking. Then you have the nice performance against Arizona, which you know, maybe was a little bit more predictable given the matchup. That said, it was nice to see, and I do think like, look, they get Seattle this week, and then you get the bye week. Hopefully T Higgins's back after that, Jamar Chase still doing his thing, so I think it's gonna be all systems go down the stretch for Joe Burrow, assuming no third aggravation of that calf. So, I mean, it was nice to see. I think there's little concern after the bye week. I hope he can get through one more week and then it should be good. To go, I think for Burrow and his health with the offense.

Jason, what about you, what was your what was your concern level on Burrow?

Yeah, I mean obviously long term concern with zero dot zero. Burrow's a phenomenal player. He's got an injury. He didn't forget how to play quarterback. There's none I don't think anyone in the world was like, oh, no, Burrow's lost it. He's a you know, he's not aging out. He's not you know, there's there's no one who was worried about that. But as a dynasty manager myself, like our Champ Champ Champ team has Joe Burrow and it's been killing us. We're trying to go for the four peat here and we're going home. Man, we got to start like this. Last week we started Rock Party, which was you know, we've got Brock Purty and Derek Carr and Mac Jones, a bunch of clones, and then we got Joe Burrow and I'm just thrilled to see this performance so that we can stop fearing starting him. You know, when you have to bench Joe Burrow for those other types, it's it's treading water. It's trying to stay alive until he's right. We knew that. You know, Joe Burrow is going to be the person leading us to the playoffs, leading us in the playoffs. You just need to to come through. And I believe what he said about you know, at first you hear that quote and you're like, oh, what are you talking about? There was nothing wrong with your arm. You sucked. It was time to throw. Is the extra second? The mobility in the pocket, and we saw that changed. Like that isn't a box score statistic you can look up against the Cardinals. It wasn't just oh, he realized he should target Jamar Chase nineteen times. It was he moved an extended out of the pocket. I reference on the main show the one of the three touchdown passes to Jamar Chase where the pocket started collapsing. He kind of rolls out to him is right and throws back across his body. It was like, this is the Joe Burrow we're used to watching, and we have not seen that. Like just that move. It's just a matter of like, oh, yeah, evade the pass rush a little bit, reset your legs, throw the ball. It takes an extra second and he hasn't been given himself an extra second, and now it seems he is.

Yes. One of the things that I love about the Bengals I mentioned earlier is just when they say screw it and their neutral pass rate just skyrockets to the point where they just say, Burrow, you're gonna throw up forty plus times a game, and it's actually good for our offense rather than just farting around. So one of the things that I was hoping for is like, man, are we just gonna get pure volume from Joe Burrow? Because at the beginning of the year you were getting volume, but it was inefficient short passes with no time. So it's just like the worst possible combination. Put these guys in order. Okay, So I have Mahomes, Alan Hurts all ahead of Burrow in Dynasty, Okay, I think we all feel that way. The top three. Is Herbert still ahead of Burrow in terms of Dynasty rankings?

For you, Yes, Herbert runs more, so they're both seen as pocket passers, but there's a lot more groundwork that Herbert can do, and so will I will trust that as the tiebreaker? Bets.

I mean, I think it's a coin flip. Truthfully, you know, that I have a soft spot for Justin Herbert, and we love the Chargers, and we're biased, so I guess I'll say that. But I wouldn't fault anyone that says that they have Burrow ahead of Justin Herbert.

I feel like it's kind of like locked in that Burrow Herbert are kind of that next little tier of quarterbacks that you can just feel confident in. Would you rather have Lamar or Joe Burrow in Dynasty?

That one's tough, Yeah, that one is very tough. It's ironic because the tiebreaker goes to the mobile quarterback. When I'm talking about the two pretty much pocket passers, but when you're talking about the flip to a truly mobile quarterback, quarterback that you know, like when you're up near forty percent of your fantasy points come from running, you don't have as long as shelf life. Like we've seen that with a lot of the guys. When we were getting towards the quote unquote end of Cam Newton's career, I think we were a couple of year years early on calling that, but it was still young, right, Like you've got Aaron Rodgers playing at forty thousand years old. You had Tom Brady going late into his career, the pocket passers will have more longevity. You know, Cam Newton, how old was he when it? You know, he was still relatively young for the quarterback position when he fell off the face of the map. I'll look up his age and when that decline happened. But I think when I'm in a dynasty, I love both those players. I'm gonna go Joe Burrow just for the longevity bets.

Yeah, I've got it. Actually pulled up Jason right now.

With Cam.

He last played in twenty twenty one. Yeah, the season, Yeah, he was sounded like mid season. He put up almost six hundred rushing yards in twenty twenty with New England in fifteen games. So but before that, you know, he was like seven hundred yards. He had a six hundred yard season, and early on his career was pushing over seven hundred yearly. So yeah, he never kind of like the midpoint.

Of his career.

Yeah, I would say that was when it started to decline.

Even at twenty nine years old, he threw thirty three hundred passing yards, had a good season, got injured, was never the same really, never hit three thousand passing yards again, So I mean you're you're talking about I mean, that is super young for a quarterback to be like, oh yeah, twenty nine. That was the last good year of his career, and he was dominant up.

To that point, right, And Lamar, I mean, so with Cam it's like you're getting a goal lineback. That's what he was with the Patriots very end. He was just basically a goal lineback for them. But Lamar is a different kind of runner in the sense of he's the greatest rushing quarterback of all time, Like he's going to break the record with still years to go. So I think I lean Lamar because I think that there's a higher ceiling every single year, although Burrow just seems like somebody could just say, hey, he's got ten more years, so let's move to running back. I want to talk about a player you may have heard of him before he went bananas. This past week we played him in DFS Breese Hall twenty two years old. His opportunity share went from thirty nine percent week one to forty to fifty four and then this past week up to seventy one percent. And Robertson he told us, right, this is one of those times you're like, thank you, thank you, I can trust you at least for another week and went for one hundred and seventy seven yards.

Man.

So I found this stat from a football perspective, Breese Hall has averaged six point three yards per carry in his twelve career games. That's the highest yards per carry average any player in the first twelve games since nineteen seventy. And you can see it on the field when you get chunk gains after chunk gaines, and sometimes he gets stopped and you're like, come on, I know there's more there, but you know he's about to break another one. So Jason just gush.

Yeah. I mean I I couldn't love a player more than I've loved Brice Hall. He's been my guy forever. Yeah, I mean I for sure, if the way that you think of Keenan Allen as how I think of Brice haall I he's pretty much like my favorite prospect. Everyone knows how much I love to Bjeon Robinson. I think Bjon is unfathomably good. He was like, you know another guy that I mean, everybody loved Bejon that wasn't special, But in my personal pre NFL Draft rankings, not necessarily after when you had second round capitol versus going in the top ten, but pre NFL draft I had Brice scored out better than Bijon. Who you know, is you know, a generational talent. That's what I've always believed in, Uh with Brice Hall. It was nice to see. So there was there was some I guess it was reported, but it was kind of on the downlow. Wasn't like a widely known thing. But some reporters were talking about with the Dalvin Cooks signing that the reason it took a long time was because they made it clear to Dalvin whose backfield this is, and they wanted to make sure he was okay with it. Now they paid him like a starter, and so then it was like, oh, wow, is he coming into you know, he's Dalvin Cook and he's getting paid a lot of money. Maybe this is gonna be one two punch. But now what we've seen and you go back in time and connect that with the reports that they were, you know that he was told like, this is Breeze Hall's backfield and you will just be there to support when that time comes. And you look at what's happened with Dalvin Cook's snaps fifty percent snaps week one, down to thirty six percent, down to twenty five percent, seventeen percent this last week. He is an afterthought and he looks terrible too. But it's one of those situations where now we go, Okay, this is Breese Hall's team, this is his backfield. He's going to get the volume that he needs. He looks healthy. It's full steam ahead now. Obviously, for this year, you lost elis Vera Tucker and you lost Aaron Rodgers. It's not gonna always be the Denver Broncos you're playing. It's not gonna be as good as it was this last week. But I am in love with him as a talent and it is his starting now for the rest of his uninjured career. This is his team and he will be great for Fantasy.

Whatever by low window existed two three weeks ago is gone. It's gone. In Dynasty, there's no chance you could have sold somebody a narrative that said, Ah, Rodgers, this offense is going to tank. You had a couple of weeks where he was getting no opportunities and was bad, and he was angry. There's no opportunity to buy him.

I tried to. I tried to get him with a Puka trade a couple of weeks ago when it was a look real bad for Brie and throw it at him. Gun.

Yeah, BET's I'm gonna phrase this question because before the season we had Breese ranked comfortably as our RB two in Dynasty. Bijon bres My question is is there a giant gap between Breece and whoever's next at running back in Dynasty?

I mean, you think about the landscape right and like I kind of talked about this last week with Andy and Mike, it's like when you're trying to think about a trade target and dynasty of running back, is there anyone you actually feel good about starting currently besides CMC, Bijon, David Montgomery, Like besides those guys Austin Eckler obviously the.

Health, but like.

Jonathan Taylor's workload as a question mark, and you know, we lost Nick Chubb, you lose JK. Dobbins, a chance injured Swift you know, is one of those guys that you can plug in comfortably. But from like a Dynasty perspective, there's a flip happening right now, like where these guys are aging out the Ecklers of the world. We just talked about Dalvin Cook has done like now you're getting this youth at the position and these are the guys. So I agree with it. I think there's a massive drop off if you really believe in a Chan's talent, which I think all of us do, and the system. He certainly is in the conversation to move up a couple of tears at least in Dynasty rankings.

But you got the.

Upside that these guys have. It's it's these guys.

I think, Yeah, it's it's hard because we talk about things transitioning, but it feels like those two are alone to me where I feel like, not just they're good, they're gonna crush, but like value wise, they're gonna hold so much more than some of these other players. Like etn Is is probably my three or four if I were to go there right.

Now, Are you, Kyl Are you doing this on purpose? To me? Do you know my main Dynasty roster? Oh?

I know, I know.

It's Beehon, Briest and Tramset and Baby Let's Go. But I think Jonathan Taylor and Christian McCaffrey are head of Etn and Kenneth Walker in a dynasty league to me, still.

Yeah, I think you can put I think three, four and five. There's some combination of that. I think My main point was just like Breeze just feels so rock solid despite whatever. They have a quarterback this year, so just need to bring him up, give Jason a chance to gush. Let's move to wide receiver. And I want to give some context for Jamar Chase, who went Mananas fifteen for one, ninety two and three. He's the third player since nineteen fifty with multiple games of fifty plus points. That's with Marshall Falk, Jerry Rice. Those are like Mount Rushmore players in the NFL and for fantasy. So that's where Jamar Chase is at. And through four weeks, guys, his yards per out run is looking pretty gross. His targets perout run was still looking fine. But there's a lot of things about Chase. You're like, is he gonna be used the same way? Are we gonna get these monster games? Is he gonna catch a touchdown?

Like?

That's wild that we were asking that question. Of course, he explodes Bets. You brought up some stuff on the DFS podcast. About him being Offensive Player of the Year, and he used to be the favorite coming in the year went down. Now he's back up. There's just a lot to like and they have a bunch of awesome games coming forward. I wanted to quickly ask this conversation because before the season, I won't say I was like ridiculed, but I did feel like a very strong stance of saying I think I would rather have Jamar Chase in a dynasty league over Justin Jefferson saysn't a chance to dunk because there's an injury. But does that feel even more secure now knowing that Kirk Cousins is doesn't look like he's gonna be the dude. It's a terrible season and Jamar Chase is just rolling right now.

Kyle, how could you come on the show and dunk on Justin Jefferson?

Unbelieve? Is so y?

It's at Kyle underscore Borg on Twitter if you want to let him know. But it's this is so funny, right because it's a reminder of how quickly you said it. Things can change in the NFL literally in a week, right, It's like, oh, Justin Jefferson is seeing so much volume the Vikings are throwing so much now, like is he held out through their Week thirteen by with the amstring injury. Maybe, Remember he's looking for a new contract, so he's not necessarily incentivized to come back earlier than he's one hundred percent. He's clearly the long term answer there. But Jamar Chase and the Bengals were broken a week ago, two weeks ago, everyone was worried. Now it's like, oh, things are great, So just a reminder like things change very quickly the NFL. But we talked about it. I think it was that shows with Mike and we had just said, like, if you're gonna look for one way or the other, which there isn't a wrong choice with those two because they're incredible. He's just tied to Joe Burrow, whereas like justin Jefferson, no clue what the situation is next year. He is good enough that he'll overcome any quarterback most likely, but as a coin flip or tie breaker. I think it makes sense.

Jason, what's your take on because Chase said the point now with te Higgins out where he's just getting peppered with not just volume, insane volume, this kind of the stuff like I was trying to compare their situation, like are they just gonna go full Matthew Stafford Lyons And he just says, you know what, I'm gonna throw the ball to Calvin Johnson as many times as possible. That's kind of like what we could be getting right now. So what's your take on just Chase's outlook versus Jefferson. I know we're just we're flipping a coin. We're not saying anything negative, But what's your take on between those two because they're I mean, there are the two names.

Yeah, I don't think justin Jefferson is bad just because he got injured that Kyle does. Of course, Kyle's You would never super No, I wouldn't say that. Yeah, I mean, Bets laid it out. When you're tied to Joe Burrow, it's it's great. I would certainly put Chase above Jefferson in a dynasty league because of that. You've also got now that the contract situation. You know, once the league started and it was like, oh, Higgins is not going to get there was rumors, oh they're gonna sign him. They're not gonna sign him, and I don't think they have the money now after the contract to Burrow, So you're talking about going into not only how you know, another game or two without Higgins, but then next season you're going subtract Higgins keep a healthy Burrow. Jamar Chase is gonna be at like prime wide receiver dominant age. Yeah, I mean, you're not going wrong with either guys, but Jamar Chase is the wide receiver one in Dynasty.

Yeah, I and Bets you're kind of throwing in some thoughts. But like, the Vikings are one and four, right, and they're lucky to be one and four. They barely beat the Panthers. So it's like they're one of those teams that we didn't think would be, you know, circling the drain. But they're at least in contention for a Caleb Williams, which is super fun. Or Drake May, Drake May. I've watched some college football. I'm enjoying some Drake May film already I can say that. So let's take a quick break and we'll be back. All right, We're gonna finish talking about a couple of tight ends who blew up in Week five, give some context for the players, and I just want to say it is with titands. It's gross half the time. But the underlying metrics we care about is is this person running routes? Like are they participating on the field. Usually we look for a route rate that's above eighty five percent. If they're pass blocking a ton, that's kind of a red flag. But we really care about do they have big plays? Do they get targets down the field. So Dallas Goddard was one of those players this past week who went off eight for one to seventeen to one your Eagles bets. But I think I want to give credit to Jason here. You stuck up for him. I listen on the road. You stuck up for that man, like two or three times on the show this past week. Because everything was there. He was getting the slot snaps second most in the league, second most routes among tight ends. It just wasn't happening yet. And then all of a sudden he blows up this past week against the Rams. And it was very early on, like, oh this is a blow up game, so.

Very early it was absurd. He was the whole drive. I mean they'd march down the field, you know whatever. It was seventy five yards and a touchdown on the opening drive for the Eagles, and I think maybe like eighteen or so of those yards weren't Dallas Goddard. Every pass was like I started laughing in Mike's face because we entered this game about equal and DraftKings lineup, and then I just started going nuclear part and parcel to because Dallas Goddard was great. I mean, when you've got high end tight ends in their prime that have proven on the NFL field, they can be great. You don't go away from them because you don't have better options. You don't just get frustrated by three or four or five bad starts in a row. You have to keep them in your lineup because no one else does that. No one else can go out and go eight for one, seventeen and one at the tight end position. What you're doing when you pivot to you know, I'm gonna go play Tyler Higbee because you know he's he got more targets last week or whatever. He can't put up a game like that. And you know, so there's been enough film with Dallas Goddard. He is twenty eight years old, he's on a great offense. You just stick with those. You stick with those type of options, and the best part is he still gets targets and runs routes. Yes, he is not one of those guys like the next guy we're about to talk about, who is as elite as it gets at blocking. That kind of sucks when you're like a monster in the blocking game where you could just like you could change the game by being on lineman. I don't want that. I don't want you to be an offensive lineman for sure.

BET's your you are local boots on the ground, you know, for the Eagles, non biased. But I mean it was kind of inevitable that Goddard would have a game to break out because before the yards perceptions you were low, the eight hours low. He had eighty eight yards on the season. But I'm assuming that was just talked up all week and then he explodes.

What's kind of funny about this Eagles team this year is that whenever there has been a squeaky wheel, the problem is solved, right Like remember the A. J. Brown incident on the sideline against I think it was the Vikings when Devata Smith was going off a J. Brown stepper with targets. A couple of weeks in a row, talk all week has been where's Dallas Gotter? Why isn't he getting the ball? Pops off the WATA Smith seen walking the sidelines not thrilled last week.

Yeah, stop around, I need you.

But in all seriousness, like I think we're gonna have a ton of games where I mean it's got a ping pong. It's kind of like George Kittle, right, like some ties and debo. Sometimes it's ayuk but then there he is kittled. This same thing with with Dallas Godter. But the Eagles have some games like they are going to be pushed a lot in the fourth quarter. They've got the Dolphins coming up, They've got the Boys twice, the Chiefs, the Bills, the Niners, like they're gonna have to throw and so I think in general, like I'm very bullish on all three guys, especially they're big three with Goddard, Smith and Anger Brown.

Obviously, speaking of Kittle, he had the three touchdowns this past week. It was a nice birthday President, I know if you saw the clip, but like afterwards, his whole family was there like one by one giving him hugs because for his birthday, it was pretty sweet for him to get that. But the scary part about Kittle, and I'm a dynasty manager of George Kittle, is that there's no way I will ever bench him. And yet I feel like fifty to sixty percent of the time, I'm mostly angry.

I am i one trading George Kittle, like I if I had George Kittle on a redraft league, in a dynasty league, he has a monster performance like that, Like I've just been waiting for a monster performance to tell people trade George Kittle. He is super talented. He is if he were to go to the to the Chiefs, he would be drafted at the one ZH five. He is phenomenal, but this offense is a different beast. They use him in the running game. Most games aren't gonna be his, and when they aren't his games, he has a lower floorer than most these like Dallas Goddard when he was sucking. He's still getting four or five receptions, just not down the field. And you know it wasn't usually as bad as George Kittle's bad games are crushing for your fantasy lineup. But you're right, you can't bench him. You have to wait and get this type of a performance. But what you can do is once you get that type of performance capitalized. Try to get a haul for him, because teams are thirsty for tight ends. Go look at your league. Be sure who is crying at tight end, and they will be very excited to get a brand news shiney three touchdown George Gittle.

Yeah, to pay up. Contenders can easily look at their roster and say, hey, I've been rolling with I don't know, Tyler Higbee or somebody else, Hunter Henry, and they're just like, hey, it's fine, but I want somebody that can really be a difference speaker. And let's be on. Yes, George Kittle looks cool on a roster because he can go for twenty five thirty points, but so what could I actually get. Let's, you know, help me out here. This is a rebuild team. His team's acquired some picks, it's got some great young players. I mean, I'm just killing it in the young players department, and I have the picks, so I won't accept anything less than a first round pick though, And yet people kind of don't want to give that right now for George Kittle.

Yeah. I mean, you can do a couple different things. One, if George Kittle is your primary tight end you might need to be receiving a tight end on the way back. You know this. You might want to try to dare I see it, look for Kyle Pitts plus where you go, you've got youth and future, but you also get picks and something else. Or you try to package George Kittle plus a pick of your own, or you know a middling player or two and try to get Mark Andrews, who's been you know, maybe a little disappointing to some managers. You know that to me, if you look in it from a dynasty perspective, there's there's not a lot of tight ends. I love. I mean, there's like Mark Andrews, T. J. Hawkinson, Sam Laporta, Gottart, got it. That's you know, end of lists. So if you can try to trade, you know, if you could trade George kill right now, straight up for Sam Laporta because someone's like, oh man, I'm just capitalizing on these four rookie games or five. You know I would do Oh my goodness, I would do that in a heartbeat.

I feel like, would you do somebody wouldn't do that?

Kittle in a second, No, might not?

What bets could you do? Like Kittle?

In a second for Laporta, Is that a deal you'd make, Yeah, I would be fine with that to get I.

Think I'd be okay with that. It's it's so tough because like right now, I'm looking at rankings before the season, and in a couple of weeks we're going to do a kind of redo where we go, Hey, here's where we're at. How Dynasty rankings have changed a little bit from the top positions. But I'm looking at the tight end position. I'm like, man, there are a bunch of guys here that I don't know if I want to trade, and they're young enough, like Pat Fryarmuth, Eh, don't really want to trade for him. It's like Evan Ingram, same thing as Kittle, the same area, same age. No, thank yeah, Dalton Kincaid, Okay, it's young enough. Maybe disappointed, but this person spent a first round pick on them. So it's like, wherever I'm going, I'm probably gonna have to take tight end out of the equation and figure that out later and just say this person needs tight end. I'm gonna shoot for it and try to get them to upgrade the position. But it's hard, like trading for a tight end that's over thirty is not a great thing, especially if people know that Kittle is the most volatile tight end, Like, would you say is the most.

I would say he's the Well, Taysom Hill's the most, and then and then George Kittle's the second most.

And then then Johnny.

You think about his his john his highs and his lows. I mean they could be more different, right, Kittle can come out for three touchdowns and then the next week literally have one cash. So yeah, he's he's wild man. But more wild is that John who is the ted end one in Atlanta?

That's the worst? I hate it all right, one more segment, take it or leave it. In the same vein that we've been talking about bounce back players for week five, let's call a shot here people, who's a player in week six that you think can bounce back? Just a parting thought, So Jason will let you go first.

My parting thought on a bounce back player that is going to be important for Dynasties. Romandre Stevenson. He has uzooked. His schedule has not been good. He just came off of the New York Jets awesome defense. The Dallas Cowboys awesome defense in the New Orleans Saints, awesome defense they got shah lacked did the Patriots the last two games. I think they're combined like seventy to three or something like that. Going forward against the Las Vegas Raiders, who usually don't have a good defense, except for this week, the Buffalo Bills who lost half their defense. This week, you've got the Colts coming up. I think brighter days are ahead for Ramondre Stevenson, and at the running back position. It's just so important in dynasty, and I think I think fantasy managers who have might know this for a fact. Fantasy managers who have Ramondre Stevenson right now are worried that they have absolutely nothing like that they don't have a startable asset, and so I don't believe that to be true. I think he will be a startable, important fantasy asset going forward.

All right, Bets, you're up next with this scene.

It's a good one.

I was hoping you'd have the drop ready. I am wearing the Pitty City T shirt currently in support of Michael Pittman Weeks one through three, twelve eleven targets, but over the last couple of weeks. It's been the wide receiver seventy two and the wide receiver thirty seven on the back of just six total receptions in two games. But Gardner Minch's gonna be under center for four plus weeks, and I think we're gonna see more pass attempts from the offense. So I'm in in this game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are twenty third and schedule adjusted points allowed to wide receivers. Let's go pitty city only.

Throughout Trevor Lawrence. Right now, his TD rate is two point eight percent as gross his wide receivers have the third most drops in the league. But there are some encouraging things. Per PFF, he has eleven big time throws, which the way that they grade them out is these are really important throws down the field, big deal in close windows. That's tied with Jalen Hurts for the second most of the NFL. And TD rate is one of those things that doesn't really stabilize until you get about two hundred and fifty plus attempts, so I'm not really worried about two point eight percent. They beat the Bills this past week. He was the QB eight against these Colts in Week one. So I think that Trevor Lawrence, it's not been great, it's kind of been meh, middle of the road, but I think he's in a good spot to be able to bounce back this week. That's gonna do it for this week's episode of the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast. If you any all of our rankings, go to the Fantasy Footballers dot com and get those and we'll see you next week.

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