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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a Baller.
Welcome in.
It's Wednesday, September sixth, the Fantas Footballers Dynasty Podcast. People, we've got one day, one day until kickoff.
One more day, more day, one.
More sleep, Yes, one more sleep people. That's America is just waiting to go to bed.
How dare you the world? Kyle? The world?
My international people are just like you, jerk? How dare you start off a Dynasty podcast not thinking of the entire world? Yeah, you know, it's just it's one more sleep and just like a kid before Christmas, we were almost there. But we're here to talk dynasty and give our bold and spicy brown picks of the year, like spicy mustard, spicy brown, spicy brown mustard.
This is like a like a post Chipotle. Mike.
I'm glad you were also equally confused because I had no clue where Kyle is going with that.
Guys, there is a certain.
I had this spicy brown last night.
How did it go for you?
I mean, has a spicy brown pizza and wings at the draft?
About a spicy take is when it when it hits, it can be fire. But some of these, some of these that we're going to share today, my compadres, I'm going to ask you to hold back vomiting. We do that a lot on the show. I feel like that we talk about things that are gross and nasty for fantasy football.
Because at the heart of it, Dynasty is all about who can just who could be the nastiest and get away with it.
Betts, you got any got any nasty boys? I know that you are reveling in the Kante Ingram.
Oh my goodness, dude, It's it's been a great year for the Nasty Boys. I mean, are you kidding me? Sean Tucker's making the squad as the RB two, Corey Clement gets cut. The path for County Ingram is clear.
Uh.
Cole Turner is getting picked up left and right, Kyle and fastball leagues. He was getting drafted around eighteen round nineteen of leagues. I don't know, I don't know why. Uh, but he's out there and it's been it's been good. Chris Evans reportedly on track to win the RB two job. We'll see. Yeah, So it was a boy will will be back. It was a good summer for the Nasty Boys. So I just want to say, shut out to.
Us, it's what if? What if it's mostly a victory? Are these guys still in an NFL roster? Because I was worried one of my guys, Elijah Higgins, Apparently they didn't want him with the Dolphins reason a bunch of other teams did want there you go, So you know, it's all about a popularity contest, and he was super popular for not being employed for a while. So yeah, the Nasty Boys. But Dynasty Bowl predictions, We're gonna talk about that on the show. If you want to get our Dynasty rankings and everything, last minute drafts you're doing, startup drafts, rookie rankings, all of those, you can get those on our site. And every single week we will get to have this show updating you about, Hey, here's the happenings with dynasties. So if you're out there, you're like, hey, what do you guys talk about During the season, there is a ton week to week to start projecting. I will even say that as we get towards weeks you know, fifteen, sixteen seventy, we might start peaking at some of the upcoming rookies.
Yeah, I'm I'm pretty excited. So this the the first ever Fantasy Footballers Dynasty podcast was this offseason. This is still a little bitty baby show and we're trying to figure out exactly what it is, and we launched April ish. Yes, is that about right? Yeah, So I'm so this past offseason, you know, are when we were breaking down the running backs, it was kind of like one super long show about the running backs. I'm excited to have actual more episodes where we can, you know, go more in depth, like maybe three or four guys over the course of one episode, really jump into how we're viewing them, what we think about those players. But Kyle's right throughout this season, look you think there's you think of Week five, we can't find more more nasty boys. They're everywhere all the time. I can't wait.
We're gonna be talking about a player that's currently probably not in a roster because like in Dynasty, there were years where Latavius Murray saved my butt and that dude was out on the street for half the year. So yes, you're gonna be able to mind some players. But here's what I want us to do. Kind of start off this episode, let's look back and let's give one dynasty lesson that you learned this offseason. Maybe that's you personally, something you want to tell our audience, and BET's I will let you start us off.
Yeah, this is one that I've you know, accepted a couple years ago, but I think a lot of people still need to sort of hear it. So it's sort of a week learn this together. Situation is that it's okay to quote unquote lose a trade in the moment if it works out for both teams. And here's the thing, we don't really know if it's going to be a loss. Like in the moment, some people might be like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you made that trade. I can't believe you dealt that pick away, you know, and it turns out to be in two years an incredible trade for both teams. And so my biggest thing here is like, don't get stuck in the trade calculators, don't get stuck in the well, my leege the league mates think if I do this, it can help both teams, and that's really what makes a great dynasty trade. So sometimes you got to go get your guys. Sometimes there's times to get out from certain players in your roster, and it's okay to not worry about what everyone else thinks when you make these trades. So don't get two. I think to what a trade calculator says, you can still make trades that are good for both teams, even if it doesn't feel like it's quote unquote a win in the moment.
The real loser in a league like that is everybody else in the league who couldn't execute a trade. So yeah, you should just be able to clown on everyone else to say you guys are losers. Yeah, you add no, I mean, don't don't tell me what to do.
It's my team.
And in Dynasty, obviously you can't judge everything right away. But yeah, I think the the mode, and we get questions like this all the time is just who won this trade? It's like, well, did this help this team? There's so many factors of you know, where they fit in. Are they a flex option for you? Are they just a bench piece? Are you rebuilding? It's so hard to grade a trade when people just send you, you know, here's some picks. It's like there's so much context to Dynasty, which makes it really fun. So I agree, with you, it's it's okay.
Mike's Mike's big trade, right. We talked about that on the show right around like fourth of July. I think if you put that in a trade calculator, Mike probably quote unquote.
Oh yeah it was, but like if you weren't around, it was. Yeah, I traded Michael Pittman Quinton Johnston two firsts uh for Cede Lamb and yeah. I promise if you put that in a calculator, because calculators love first round picks. Uh, if you put that in, it would be a landslide for the other side. But for me, it was I'm gonna get myself a young elite player because I'm trying to win right now. I'm not It's not that I'm out on Michael Pittman and Dynasty. I'm not out on Quentin Johnston before he's even taken a snap. But I'm I'm trying to do things over here. Man, I'm trying to win right now.
In the context of your team is that you're not only win now, but your receivers are going to bludgeon a lot of people, right like jamar Cha. You have jamar Cha, Scarrett Wilson and ceedee lamb. Yeah, that's that, that's just not true. It feels good, So Mike, give us, give us a lesson. Oh man, this is this is a deep, deep lesson.
Yeah this I have this. It's been brewing inside me for a very long time, but it is the boil has come to the surface. And this is not just Dynasty. It's very heavy in Dynasty, but Redraft. Kyle knows because we just did our League of Record draft yesterday and it is screw those RBS. I don't care. I do not care because I am so sick and tired of thinking I have a top twelve running back and then teams doing dumb crap like that's whatever quote good for their football team, but it's terrible for my dynasty team. Like Zach Charbonnay showing up for Kenneth Walker, who at the time would have been ranked easily as a top five Dynasty running back and I was. I took him at the one oh four I believe in our rookie draft, So I mean at that time I bypassed Chris Olave because my team desperately needed a running back and this was the best way that I could get a hold of someone and I would. It felt great for a year, and then they're replaced and strafting so many third round running backs that just never evolve into anything. If you have Breicce Hall, yeah, Breese Halls fantastic, But Dalvin Cook could be a massive issue this year. It just I have seen so many of my running backs lose value immediately that I've just said I I just I don't care anymore. I'll get I love hero RB in redraft, but we left so in redraft. Kyle and I just did this draft. I think it's a five bench and we left that draft with three total running backs because of how our draft picks and the draft board lined up. It was not I have to get a running back to bypass a really interesting wide receiver with upside for just a crap running back. It's no, I'm not doing it anymore. You can't tell me what I have to do. I'll start two running backs because that's what the rules say, and then I'll figure it out from there. But I'm going I'm ex give me those whit receivers when possible.
If you're gonna shoot for upside in any league format, especially leagues where it's more common to start, you know, two flex spots. Then you're saying, like I can find the receivers because yeah, when you get to wide receiver, you know forty forty five, Like these are real dudes that can help your team where there's just not a lot of value. And the shelf life we've talked about this so much. It's just shelf life's not too long. So it's saying what I'd rather draft or have on my team. A Devin Singletary I can start, and I keep singling him out.
Yeah you do well because he kept falling to us and we're like, no, this is there is nothing exciting about this.
Yeah, and or you can find some high upside options. But you know, I mean, Mike is just yes, he's just full. Jim Irsay was.
Gonna say, so, I think I've like, I guess, I guess he's got more right opinions than I gave him credit for.
He just didn't know he was playing fantasy football the whole time. He's just managing a billion dollar organization.
And but I like, look at the look at Jonathan Taylor, which honestly, the this could be the best case scenario for Jonathan Taylor in Dynasty leagues. I know that right now, it's really really frustrating. He's on the pup. Is he actually hurt? I think so? Is he gonna come back to the Colts? I have no idea, but I think that the Colts are just not a good long term place. If they're moving forward with Anthony Richardson, you could end up in a lateral move. So it's actually not an improvement for Jonathan Taylor. But I do think by next year Jonathan Taylor's outlook will be much better than had he than he if he gets the long term extension for the Colts, which he still could, but he also could be traded in the middle of the year to a great situation like Christian McCaffrey style, right, I mean, who saw that coming? You had to deal with CMC on a bad team still cruising away being great, gets traded to the absolute best case scenario for his skill set. Something like that could happen for Taylor.
Yeah, Bets, I remember you brought this up on our Dynasty startup tips of just here's the age cliff. People don't realize it, but it just comes a lot faster, and then just the changing landscape for the running back position. We've talked about like once you get past the top twelve to fifteen guys, it's like, I don't know, Like I don't know where any of these guys stand a year from now. So is that something bets that just as a whole as a show, like we've tried to like hammer home and then Mike just said, all right, screw them just at the very end.
Yeah, we just kind of laid the foundation and Mike just really hammered it away there.
Yeah.
Man, And it's it's the landscape around the NFL that's part of the issue, right, Like we have no clue what Josh Jacobs is going to be doing next year. We have no clue what Saiquon Barkley's gonna be doing next year, which is crazy to say because those are the best guys in the league, you know, they've been for the last couple of years anyway at their position, and so outside of like the Beijon Jamir Gibbs types who have financial security and a known place to play football for the next couple of years. Yeah, I'm with Mike, Like I've been very hesitant to trade for running backs this offseason, and I'm only doing it truthfully, when I feel like I have a top three four team in my league where I know I have a chance to win, other than that, I am happy to either not trade for those guys or trade them away.
And it brings me sadness because like, there is a little bit I love high flying, all the passing, all the scoring. There resides a little small child in me who remembers watching just you know, true elite running backs just beat up on people watching Marshawn Lynch and Adrian Peterson play in their peak like there was nothing better. Then they get through the line, there's just one member of the secondary and it's ap versus that guy. Oh no, they got a defender and defender's about to be put in the grave and then they were and like so it was just it was so much fun. But this is a different an NFL, and I care about my dynasty teams a lot now, So screw them, screw those RBS.
All right, I'm gonna share my dynasty lesson, but I might have to tell you a story too kind of goes with it, okay, okay, And it involves me looking really dumb. Is that okay?
With you?
Guys? Which one? Which story? Are we talking about. I don't know this one.
No, you guys don't. And also, I mean, you guys haven't seen me be very stupid in front of you very much. So here's my lesson. The vibes for Dynasty changed throughout the summer, and so the picture I'm giving you is, don't watch a roller coaster and just sit still. Okay, if you're watching a roller coaster and you're at an amusement park, you want to be on the ride as opposed to just watching it and being casual. One time, when I was a wee lad, I went to Six Flags.
And uh, Magic Mountain, so the Atlanta we're in East Coast, Yeah, what's yours?
Six Flags of a Jury? The Ninja was the big one in the early nineties. And then I'm gonna tell you the rest of the story because I haven't really gone.
Back since so because I gotta look up this roll.
So when it was the big ride in the early nineties, and now I think they've transformed into something else. Somebody's gonna call me out later, like you're a dummy. It's different now. But when I was a kid, I was watching the roller coaster and I was so amazed. I was super young, and I happened to be I got my head stuck in the railing what to the point of to the point of when everyone was leaving, I was stuck there and my mom had to call security and they had to pry the bars open because I had somehow wiggled my way in and got hysterical because I'd been watching the roller coaster not knowing what I was doing, and it really ruined roller coasters for me for a long time.
Interesting. Now do I've seen video? I mean, this is it growing up? That's that I think it happens to most kids, Like at one point gets stuck. It you put your head through some bars because it just goes right in and then then you don't realize that your bulbous head can't make it back out. Did they try putting your whole body through the bars? Because I've seen several videos of kids getting their head stuck and they can't get them out backwards and then the kid goes, oh, I just go forward and my whole body fits. I mean, I was pretty hysterical.
I was like six. They didn't use like butter to kind of like wiggle me through.
The Pam spray they should have it was.
It was pretty bad. So I'm using that story as just over the summer. The vibes are good. But if you're watching a roller coaster of a player's value and you're not doing something about it, you're not being proactive, then I think what you're gonna be is left wanting. So, for instance, the Eagles backfield, when Swift gets traded, if you had DeAndre Swift, you had him at a really peak value, all the Eagles are gonna be awesome, They're gonna use them. Okay, now we're what four or five months removed from that, and yonder Swift, you cannot trade him for nearly what you could have done. Then there was a period where Rashad Penny was the hotness of He's gonna be the lead back. Now the roller coaster is it's gain well and maybe even do you want any of these guys on your roster? And so my point is to be proactive. You might be wrong, you might be right, but right now, if you just were left with these running backs, you couldn't really capitalize on that same thing with Etn or Bigsby, Like it's just kind of been an up and down even recently, we've got a ton of steam with Tank Bigsby. He fumbles in pre season and vibes feel a little different. Sam Howell is probably my favorite example. Would you guys say, there's probably been at least three or four chapters of the Sam Howell experience, like at least this offseason of he could be the dude. Oh he could be really fun. Oh it's probably Jacoby yep, and oh maybe he's not that good. And now in preseason and everything else, he's kind of been steamed up. It's like you've gone through so many different peaks and valleys and if you didn't respond to Sam Howell or his pass catching options, you can't really do it anymore. It's people are just gonna.
Wait, right, yeah, because you're pulling up to the station. The people are about to get off the ride because the NFL season is about to start.
Yeah, people are done. And I mean we are all about Sam Howell. If I'm in a Super flex league, totally fine, rolling die samehow as my QB two ye, and I'm excited. And Mike might be the highest among the footballers. Jason's of a fraud.
Yeah, I don't understand. I thought he was about that life, and then I looked at our rankings and he's not. I am.
I mean, bets, we're gonna be talking about him right DFS Week one.
He plays the Cardinals, So yes, sure, so we will be we will be talking about him.
So yeah, if you have a Dynasty lesson you learned, you can tag us on Twitter or they also call it x whatever it is now. But we are going to get into our dynasty Bold predictions.
Dynasty Bold predictions.
Mike, You've done a lot of bold prediction shows.
Over the year. I have. I thought you were going to talk about that tasty lick because I did not remember making down and I was like, oh, okay, that was a good one.
You're like, oh, yeah, I made that way.
That's right.
I think you made that like way early in the summer.
Possible. Yeah, but yes, I have done many many bold predictions.
Is it is it tough for tough for the gut to say I'm gonna make these bold predictions. I understand that this is a eighty ninety percent outcome that it's it's obviously not obvious, and just over the years, like you have some hits, you have some misses, but like they're bold and spicy.
For a reason. They are incredibly fun because this is what you caution to the wind is gone. I do not care. I don't have to try and him and haw or hedge. It's just it's exciting of you're like, this is something that I really do believe could happen, and here's why, and it and then and but but everybody knows like these are these are bold, These are or as Kyle would call them, to give you the you can have spicy brown like if you have to, if you if you follow the advice of too many bold predictions, you could have a bad time. But they it's it's a scratcher, it's a it's just a huge win though when you actually get them right. And if honestly, it feels great when you get him right, and when you look back, you're like, yeah, okay, well it didn't work out, But we do. I do pride myself on getting a lot of my bold predictions correct.
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a fun process. Bets you're going to start us off with some hometown Eagles thoughts that I mean, you're telling people this is this is gonna happen. It's it's locked in.
I mean, I don't want to say it's a guarantee, and I'm just kidding. I do think, however, what I'm about to say has a very decent chance of happening. I don't know what I would put the odds at, but I think when you ask any one hundred percent, one hundred percent accuracy, this is happening. If you ask anyone who's going to finish with the most fantasy points on Eagles as far as A J. Brown or DeMont Smith, I guarantee you ninety plus percent of people are gonna say, oh, a J.
Brown. Because ADP says AJ Brown.
By a lot, I was gonna say, he's a top uh you know, top twelve startup pick in round one one. He goes in Round one redraft and rightly, so, don't get me wrong. This is not an anti AJ Brown take. He is he is him, and he is very good at football. But DeVonta Smith is quietly like unbelievable, and he would be a team's wide receiver one on a lot of NFL franchises. You know, we have to remember he was the tenth overall pick a couple of years ago in the NFL draft. He has that draft capital, and he had an incredible college production profile coming out. So I am saying, DeVonta Smith outscores AJ Brown this year and he becomes a top eight dynasty wide receiver this time next year. Entering the season, he already took a massive step forward in year two, that classic you know, second year leaf, that sophomore season leap that we look for. Ninety five catches, almost twelve hundred yards seven scores is an awesome stat line, but when you dig into the underlying peripheral metrics, one point seven to seven yards throughout run jumped to two point zero, a great number for a wide receiver, and his targets thro outrun jump from nineteen point five to twenty two point one percent. Again awesome numbers. And that's play next to AJ Brown, which is incredible. So Smith also quietly down the stretch, like you wouldn't really think about it this way, was earning more targets than AJ Brown. Now, it wasn't a huge difference one hundred and seven targets compared to one hundred and four over the last you know, thirteen games or so, including the playoffs. But I feel like DeVonta Smith has a real chance to be the top fantasy producer here, assuming touchdown variants breaks right. And that's the tricky part is because AJ Brown always has those touchdown games, and if Devanta Smith doesn't have that, this probably won't happen. But I think the chances that Devanta Smith outscores AJ Brown are higher than a lot of people are willing to admit.
You also, haven't hear that he outscores him and becomes a top eight Dynasty wide receiver, which I think I think if that happened, that would you know, those would be connected, right, It's not like he would outscore him and then his dynasty ranking doesn't change. So it's hard whenever we make bold predictions of this player will send there because it obviously means other players moved down. So I'm what you're saying is this is an negative take on other wide receivers. It's not a negative take on AJ Brown. It's just saying that this player at where he's at in his age, Kurtan, he's you know, not even twenty five years old yet first round for a first round pick, like that's that's where he should belong. Like if he finishes as a top five player in redraft this year for wide receiver. He belongs there in dynasty. Is that what you're saying?
Oh, for sure, and that would be incredible if he did finish top five. If that happens. You know, AJ Brown probably is under performing a little, but Jalen Hurts is having another MVP season, and I do think there's actually more room for these two guys to see even more volume this year. Like we think about the Eagles games last year, right in every second half, it was like, okay, they're up by three scores. Yeah, they're gonna take their off the gas. Here comes Miles Sanders and it worked. You know, they still put up put numbers and just to put some numbers to that, they only average eleven point one pass attempts in the second half of games compared to nineteen point five in the first half a game. So I think inherently like they want to be an aggressive pass FIRSUS offense, and when you have these weapons, it makes a lot of sense. So I think you can see way more pass times from Jellen Hurts this year, and you could see, you know, both guys truthfully having an even better season.
Mike, do you feel like you could still trade for DeVonta Smith in a dynasty league at eighty ninety cents on the dollar, like you're not having to pay the full.
Where Yeah, for where we're projecting him. And I mean, this is a bold take that that DeVonta will climb that far up. I don't have. I mean I whispered it on the main Fantasy Footballers podcast. I do. I agree that. I think there's there's a higher chance that people are talking about that Smith ends up the true wide receiver one for the team in terms of total production. If AJ Brown's touchdowns just come down a little bit. Now factored into that. When you go look at the Smith's game log, you do have when he was absolutely on fire for the Fantasy playoffs, and go, oh, these two games where he had twelve and thirteen targets. I mean, that's pretty incredible. Those were gardener games, unfortunately, So that is a part of the that you have to weigh, you know, not that he was performing poorly before that, he was just seeing eight or nine targets, but perhaps then, okay, look at the whole picture. You had. Those were both losses against the Doubt, against the Cowboys and against the Saints, so they had to throw a little bit more. So then that speaks to what Betts is talking about. What if the Eagles, who had a I think Sharp called Warren Sharp talked about the Eagles had a really easy schedule last year, and it's not when you go to the super Bowl, you don't have an easy schedule moving forward. So if we get those if we get the volume up in the second half, it's very interesting. But Smith is someone that I would be willing to be overly aggressive for overly aggressive trying to go get follow Bets's tip of maybe doesn't look like you won that trade, but I think getting out in front of Smith before next year's off season, I think you will end up coming out ahead. Yeah.
In our startup rankings, he's wide receiver thirteen, And I think just the age curve in general, you look at a player where he's gonna be hitting those prime years, you know, year three, year four, year five.
So especially when you factor in some of these other bold predictions.
All right, but we're gonna wait, Mike, because these are too bold. We're gonna take a huge bathroom break just to get through this. All right, we flushed it out of our system. We're good to go, Mike hit us with a bold take.
You iant mean to go? Or do you want to go first?
You know what? You want to lay the foundation?
Yes, I do. I think I'll piggyback off yours.
Okay, So Mike and I arrived at these separately, but it was interesting how we kind of said this is how this could play out. So my bold take is that DeVante Adams and Cooper Cup you've probably heard of them, will both be outside the top twenty Dynasty wide receivers this time next year. So just to give you context, they're both firmly in our ranks like wide receiver sixteen, Cooper Cup wide receiver fourteen. Jason has been more bullish, you know, right around wide receiver twelve in Dynasty context. And then I looked at other sources just to make sure, hey, are we crazy? Everyone has them at about wide receiver fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. So for both of these wide receivers to fall, I actually added another one for a while, and Mike's gonna cover that Stefan Diggs. So what we're saying is there's a changing of the guard where the wide receivers that you said, hey, I've been able to count on them for championships, and you're saying, I need to get one more run out of these guys, and maybe you think you can. I'm saying that this is the year that things can hit rock bottom. And both Davante Adams and Cooper Cup there's warning signs that you'd rather trade now and then wait a year and maybe you get production. But the age curve's gonna catch up. Like DeVante Adams is so wild that he's about to turn thirty one years old. He's under contract through his age thirty four season, which is just nuts. When they signed him, you know, when the Raiders sign him the trade form to signed him, they give him sixty five million dollars guaranteed to a thirty year old. That just I know how contracts work.
They do not.
They don't age very well in the NFL. And what I did is I started to look at other wide receivers and I asked myself the question, would I have rather have been a year early on these great wide receivers, the Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green even that you're like, okay, he was a dust at the end of his career. AJ Green when he was age twenty nine, was actually in the same exact spot that Devonte Adams is in Dynasty.
Adp oh Oh wide receiver.
Seventeen, so he hadn't fallen off the map yet. Julio Jones at this spot wide receiver seven, okay, DeAndre Hopkins wide receiver. So you're at the spot where these players are still good. And I would say in redraft, we would have told people you can still play them. But in Dynasty, instead of getting one more elite production, you want people to be able to just to pay up. So I want to give you some offers for Adams. Cups a little difficult because I made this prediction and then we had a setback.
So then so it's your fault.
I guess I'm dunking on him. I'm dunking on hamstring injuries, all right? Would you guys rather have DeVante Adams okay or the one oh five next year? You're rebuilding team, right, and you you're saying, hey, I have DeVante Adams, a good player. You can help my team, But.
I think I can get more than just a first.
That's you probably could, even if it's just like a second. On top of it, or something you could get more than just a first I think. But yeah, shooting for a top three or four projected pick certainly makes a ton of sense.
Yeah, if it in if you knew that it was going to be a top three pick, which you don't know until you know, right then I'd be okay with that. But usually, no, almost almost always, no matter what, if I'm sending a player away, I want more than a one for one swap. Like I don't want to send one player and get one player back, you know what I mean. Like I'm either I'm either unloading some assets because I'm then I'm getting the superstar back, or if I'm trading the player away for picks, I want I want multiple chances. I don't want just one shot to trade away my guy who you'll pull up the numbers. But like, as of right now and last last year, Adams was still a superstar.
Right, well, let me just take it a step further and put that to the test, MIC, Because what if I were to offer you, I don't know you had DeVante Adams and I'm willing to trade Juse.
Flowers if I am rebuilding, I would take that trade.
Okay, they're very close in our rankings, and it it made me realize, like we're starting to see the gap of Like in my mind it's like they're nowhere close in Redraft right correct, But in Dynasty we're getting that. So would din'd you guys be willing to say, you know what, I want a piece that's maybe a step down, Like Christian Watson could go to the moon and Betts might be talking about him a little bit. Oh, he's going would you rather have DeVante Adams or Christian Watson in a second round pick?
I will take Watson.
I'm biased because of what I'm about to talk about, but.
I would Watson I am. I am unbiased, and I would take the chance. I'd swing. Yeah.
I think what I'm trying to give people the permission is you'd rather be a year early and this time next year. It wouldn't be shocking. Maybe it's not even that bold to be able to say, hey, this is a player that is outside the top twenty Cooper Cup. I had this in here before the injury. But he's signed through twenty twenty six making a ton of money. But the craziest part about the Rams is it wouldn't shock anyone if things just they close shop within a year. Yes, And we've had those worries before. We had those worries about Stafford this offseason, like could he just be done? The defense is not even close to the same.
Thing they're already talking about predicting. Is Aaron Donald the mid season trade trade ship?
It's and it wouldn't shock me too with McVeigh, which has also been a public thing. So you have all those factors to be able to say right now, if you knew Cooper Cup was healthy, like if you knew, okay, you know right now that the values down, nobody wants to trade for him. But if he's healthy and he returns, I'd rather trade him now than later. And so to have two wide receivers drop outside the top twenty is a big deal. But a third one, I would say is maybe Stefan Diggs sure, which is part of Mike's take.
Well, did you give your so you ran the numbers on this is where Julio Jones, AJ Green and DeAndre Hopkins were at the age twenty nine? Did you give the age thirty?
No, so Julio dropped to twelve.
That's still You're like, okay, that's still great.
AJ green and Hopkins dropped to forty plummeted, and then the next year just irrelevant. Yes, and Julio Jones, you know, tried to hang on, try to hang on as a titan, tried to hang on as a buccaneer. He's still one of the goats, but it rapidly falls off at age thirty.
I did not even remember he was a buccaneer.
He's guys, I just looked this up. Guys. Last year for the Buccaneers, Julio Jones in week one saw five targets. He was three for sixty nine, second on the team receiving yards, and he was actually a player that people going into week two.
I remember this.
I looked at her week two notes like he was startable and then he got hurt.
Yeah, so I did not remember that, all right, So mind just a piggyback on Kyle's message here, it's mine's phrased a little bit differently, though. I have Jordan Aison, Zay Flowers, and Drake London all surpassing Stefan Diggs in a startup value in a startup ADP. This is a very bullish on those three wide receivers. Drake isn't the rookie, but people, I think people are getting lost honestly in Drake London of what to do with him, and he is so so good. I get that the I can make all these arguments and then the anti Atlanta people can say, yeah, but what about Kyle Pitts, And I'll go, You're right. My argument seems like it should cross over immediately over to Kyle Pitts. But the vibes are just did you guys see that recent quote from the athletics story.
I started to pick it apart a little bit because it had more fantasy been to it. Okay, but I'm not saying the vibes are good at all. But I as an Atlanta fan, I just had to go, let me make sure I get to the very source of what this is saying. And it was somebody asking him for fantasy advice as opposed to like utilization.
I thought they were mentioning though, that he could be like third or fourth in targets.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I think that's which seems insane and I don't buy.
That that's what the report said. But then someone asked him on X as they're calling it which I can never say the straight and he quote tweeted it and said or quote exton or whatever it is and said, I meant total opportunities, rushing attempts and targets and he said, okay, I'd have Bijon, I've had Algier and Drake London has the top three options in this offense. They still want The word targets was not correct, but he meant just Russia's opportunities.
Yeah, I know, but I get it. That's still like, that feels bad. If you're saying Tyler Algier, who got replaced by a top ten pick, is going to have more opportunities in the office, but if.
Algier, but if Algier has one hundred and fifteen rush attempts.
I'm in agreement. I'm just saying that that's a that's a shocking thing. So my message for Drake London is he is so so good at football, and in dynasty, you sometimes you have to rely on that and only bad on talent and believe that the situation around them will prove. Drake London's behind the scene metrics are just absolutely incredible. I'm not gonna rip them all off right now, but just know that Drake London is so good, so these other players were bullish on them. But here about Stefan Diggs. Guys, Stefan. The ride with Stefan Diggs has been incredible since he got onto the Buffalo Bills, which was also really fun because when he got traded from Minnesota to Buffalo, I had just traded just traded Stefan Diggs to Brooks our producer from the Fancy Footballers, and I Boomshaka Laga dunked, laughed in his face about oh you dummy house, and and I didn't even need to because he was so depressed on It's like he got traded to Buffalo because at the time Josh Allen stunk. He was so bad. So that ride was really fun. And then of course he becomes one of the best wide receivers in football, Josh Allen becomes one of the best quarterbacks. It's been a good time. But Diggs is about to be thirty years old. Kyle has brought up all the numbers on the older players. He has no more guaranteed money, so we're gonna need another contract. And if he stays on his current contract, he will jump to eleven percent of the bills cap next year, which means a new deal is coming, which means you can capitalize still with Stefan Diggs because you can use the oh, look someone just paid him, but you can look at so in year nine. We have some guys a year nine of their career, which Stefan Diggs is in, we have some names. They're still productive. We had eleven guys with fourteen plus PPR points per game. Hopkins you know, was in that group as well, but it was kind of the last time. But then year ten hits and we've seen a major decline. We've seen only six guys with fourteen plus PPR points per game who are in year ten of their career, and only four wide receivers of the last decade had more than seven receiving touchdowns in that season or above. So once you hit into year ten, things do start to go downhill. Not everybody is Jerry Rice like. Not everyone gets to play into their forties. This is a It's not how human bodies work. So I'm saying buy in on these rookies. Maybe trade away Steffan Diggs. I think that Digs will still be very, very good this year, but the time is coming. The switch is happening, that we are getting these this new crop of players that they're going to jump over. And I think by the by next year's startup time, those three players that I talked about, Addison, Flowers and Drake, I think they will all surpass Stefan Diggs in actual value. So I would, you know, maybe make some moves accordingly.
I hate that, yes, I but I agree with it because I've been riding a Josh Allen Diggs stack for years in Dynasty, and I just keep every year going. Is this year I trade Digs, right and every single because I don't want to trade Josh Allen at all, Like I just don't. I don't even care. But Diggs is one of those players where I'd rather be a year early. And the comp you gave was great. You talked about DeAndre Hopkins in twenty twenty one. He was that when he came to the Cardinals his first year.
I believe that's possible. I don't know if the talk about self, it was just.
He was still at an age. He was twenty nine years old. Because same kind of season as Digs in year nine where he was awesome, right and.
Fourteen twenty he got here in twenty twenty Okay, so twenty twenty one was he He only had the ten games played, but he was he was awesome. He was still right.
Yeah, So with DeAndre Hopkins, you would have been so glad if you would have traded him there at the peak of what he was. And I'm just worried that that's where we're gonna be talk about on Dick where it's like right now Hopkins, Yes, you can kind of like add him on as a piece, like you know, but in Dynasty he feels more like in wide receiver three ville and soon to be out in the next year or two. Is that where Diggs is gonna land up? Where a player that he wants a new contract? Obviously, of course dude talks about all the time. Is he gonna be with this team, different team, whatever. I'd just rather be a year early. But I'm also a contender with my team, so I just feel stuck sure, which means I'll probably end up in second place again.
Yeah, I'm championships are They're so hard to get. So if I'm a contender, I'm gonna I would if like if I were you, I and I had the stack, I'd ride it out this year and then maybe as soon as the I'm either in or I'm out of the championship contention. Once I know that, if I'm out, I'll ship them off. If I'm in, I'll ride it out to the end of the year and then try and move them before the draft happens. Yeah, they like, I mean overall, you know, looking at the Bill, the Bills will probably resign him.
And Gabe Davis is going to be a free agent too.
It's like, but but in the event, because the contract is going to come to a head, something will have to happen. And if they're not offering Stefan Diggs the amount of money that he wants, he strikes me as a player. And I'm just this is all through you know, the insane tweets that we get that Stefan Diggs will say, fine, cut me, I'm going to go and get money, and he doesn't end up back on the Bills, And and now I know we're we're really in the hypothetical weeds here, but you just you struck the conversation of what happens with the Buffalo Bills. I mean, like, what happens if Josh Allen doesn't have a true number one wide receivers. Very interesting.
We do team outlook stuff all the time, you know, in the dynasty past. That's one of the things that Bets and I do is just like projector over the years. I mean, this team is a lot more fragile on the offensive side than what we think, and we look at their contracts all the time. Bets, is there any like any takeaways you have of just this team from like, I mean, Josh Allen, we're not worried about We're not gonna say anything about him in his cool startup, but the rest of this team like could go. I mean, James Cook's not a guarantee. So any thoughts, Bets.
Yeah, And I think they are already uh not admitting that, but like they recognize. Look in the AFC, to win a Super Bowl, you don't need just one great option, you need two or three. That's why we're seeing you know, Burrow and Chase and Higgins, and we're seeing like on the other side, the Eagles had an incredible run with their two studs, Like you need these elite options to help get you over the hump. And AFC it's it's insane you're playing against Mahomes and those guys. But yeah, they recognized it. They were trying to go out and get one of the wide receivers. They couldn't, so they took Dalton kin Kid to give them another offensive weapon. I would not be shocked if they took a round one, round two, or multiple guys next year again to keep trying to add that talent.
But yeah, it.
Does feel like kind of a make or break because, like you're saying, Diggs is getting to that age, Gabe Davis, I don't think is what they thought he could be. So there is I think more volatility here than a lot of people. You know, when you just look at the team on the surface level, you think, oh it's Josh Allen, the Bills like they're good. But I do think there is some volatility here and it wouldn't be shocking in a year or two if you're like, man, let's get let's get Josh Allen another another top right wide receiver here, because I do see the downside for sure.
All Right, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back. We're each gonna give one more bold dynasty prediction and Betts, I will let you get this started.
I mean, you already warned the people, Kyle, that Christian Watson is going to the moon. He's on a rocket ship and he is going. This is because my bold prediction is that next year Christian Watson is a Round one startup pick the single quarterback leagues. Let me just say single quarterbacks for all you super flex people out there, single quarterback. But the reason he is going to be that is because he is last year's a mon Ra Saint Brown.
And I do know.
I mean, yeah, Kyle, what's up dude?
I okay, he's just dumbed out. Well, hold on, hold on, before before this moment appeared on the show where you in or out on Watson, Oh I've been out? Yeah, okay, all right, it was good. Of course it's even stickier now.
And I want to say this too, This is not a stylistic coup.
Obviously.
These two players play completely differently. Where you know, Watson's this huge, big play guy, much taller frame, you know, et cetera, et cetera. But I think back to aman Ross Saint Brown as a rookie, and it was like nothing for the first six, seven, eight, nine weeks. All of a sudden wasn't until the playoffs, right, Fantasy playoffs. He came in and was like incredible. And then we had the off season, you know, last couple of weeks of the year, super Bowl playoffs, everything calms down, and then we gets our our off season analysis and everyone's like, well, you know, I'm and ross Saint Brown only did it because he j Hockinson was out. Well, you know, he only did it because DeAndre Swift was out. There's no way he can sustain this. The haters, the haters saying this. That's we were there questioning. We were implying this could be the reason. We were just saying, we think im and Ra is bad. We think there could have been a manufactured reason why he was so good.
That's fair.
That is a fair point, Michael, And people were people.
Don't like his stick man, I don't like this. Yeah, well Tank Dell decided to do the same thing. How was that a it's it's it's a it's a ruise.
I don't like.
Come on, Kyle, it's got that dog.
Come on, it's it is legitimate. Real motivation.
Was just laughing.
I promise you know who like Kobe. I promise Kobe had a list.
Dude, Toby is a killer though.
These athletes they need something. And if you weren't the first overall pick, then you you take a list of everyone who's drafted in front of you, and you're gonna show the entire world how dumb everybody was.
That's what Christian Watson is about to do.
He's Kobe. Christian Watson is Kobe.
There you go.
So think about that, right, that was the I'm mon Ross story where it was like, yeah, he was great, but like, here's why it didn't. It wasn't real. And then he comes out last year, you're two wide receiver, which we love betting on in fantasy, and he has a fantastic season. Now, I think about Christian Watson's rookie season, right, he was injured, banged up, missed the first six, seven weeks, whatever it was. Romeo Dobbs was kind of the guy, and then there was a changing of the guard where Christian Watson came out of nowhere and exploded from Week ten on to be a fantasy monster. Now, granted a lot of it was touchdowns that certainly is not something you want to bet on year over year, but the underlying numbers were awesome from Week ten on a twenty two point three percent target share and two point five eight yards per out run. That number is insane. That will probably regress, But when you look at his end of season yards per out run two point twenty six was the seventh highest of any rookie wide receiver over the last decade. That satus credit to John Deagla from four for four. That's the type of player he could be. If he has an Aman Ross Saint Brown esque year where he comes out of nowhere, you know, his rookie season, then does it again in year two. He is going to be a top twelve dynasty wide receiver because of his age and because what if Jordan loves good like they have looked really good in the preseason and it's the preseason, but man, he has looked good, the offenses look good, and the competition for targets it's a bunch of rookies and a rookie tight end.
I can't argue with where he is and where he could go.
Now.
I think yours is scorech which just to the moon, which is why he's on this show. I just when I look at the second year players, it's easy for me to kind of file him back behind a lot of other guys, like would you rather have Christian Watson or Johan Dotson dynasty?
I mean probably Dotson. That's but I think there's an argument.
There's not a wrong answer, it just it's easier to push him back.
Yeah, I think Eileen Watson, but I love Dotson.
Yeah. The touchdown archetypes that we've seen with you know, Gabe Davis did that. It's this as a rookie, Martavis Bryant did this as a rookie, Chase Claypool.
Yeah, that's that's the bad names you don't want to included.
No, But but also what's crazy is the other rookies on that list with like really small targets but huge touchdowns. Is Johan Dotson as well. So it's like it's like it's just looking at a player and saying, like, is he is Christian Watson Mike Evans in the making because he's got the same body type, huge run down the field, big plays, or is he gave Davis and he's probably not gave Davis. I feel good about saying that. It's probably somewhere in the middle.
So, I mean, Gabe Davis wasn't he like a fourth or fifth round, fourth round, fifth two from a NFL talent evaluation standpoint. I mean, Watson was the second round pick, so the NFL liked him.
Yeah.
No, I'm I'm I'm cool with that. I'm cool with it. I'm ready to give a bold and spicy take that I think my friend Mike here will not enjoy.
Okay, Oh, I'm okay with it. Okay, I've I have allowed it to wash over me and I have just I have accepted that this is possible.
Okay. Good, because this is the name Kenny Pickett that we brought up. I want to say, like in May, yeah, as just he's here's a sneaky little bie.
Oh I had him. I would have had him at no chance.
Back then Mike literally laughed at me. I remember the show.
Yes, Yes, So my Bowl prediction is that Kenny Pickett will have thirty plus total touchdowns and be a top twelve Dynasty quarterback this time next year. Kenny Picket Every thing right now in preseason is rosie. He went six and two in his final eight starts. So for fantasy, we look back at last year and say it was just doo doo, and it was very very bad through seven touchdowns. You know, it took him a while behind Trubisky, but in preseason it's been good and it seems like it seems like the team's all about him. He was named one of the team captains, which fun fact like Ben Roethlisberg was not named a team captain until year five. Whoa which which?
Uh that's a that's a spicy spice little nugget. There you go.
Also, I found this really funny quote from Dan Moore, one of their offensive linemen, who said, quote on Kenny Picken being named a captain, he has it. I don't know what it is, but he has it.
Good work Dan, Dan.
They shoved a mic in front of Dan, the offensive lineman. He's like, uh, he's got it. I don't know what it is, but I just I just died laughing, like, okay, dude, come on, just just say something nice, like.
You could just say he has it.
End of store and just and just log ut Dan. But Kenny Pickett in precints has been a huge story. I feel like he's been shooting up a lot of people's boards. Is just like he's a sleeper, He's he's sneaky and He's the highest graded quarterback in PFF for preseason. Whatever that means to you. I think everybody would say he's looked really good and the weapons have been interesting, Like across the board, it's like, it's not just nase Jalen Warrens had some big touchdowns. Deonte's looked good. George Pickens, your boy Alan Robinson.
Okay, maybe not my boy, not my boy, uh friar youth.
Calvin Austin is gonna be a fun player, like a gadget player for them. So they have the weapons. But let's move on from just Kenny Pickett. Here's the vibes, and we just move on. Second year jumps for quarterbacks is it's a real thing, and usually we think of like the big names like Mahomes in his second year went to the Moon, MVP, Lamar Jackson, second year MVP Josh Allen transformed Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields last year right like went from players in Dynasty like oh did I screw up this pick? To holy crap, this is a franchise player for me. And in super Flex you're like, I have somebody can count on. But there's other guys that made huge jumps. Carson Wentz people, I think we forget what he did in his second year. Bets as an Eagles fan, did you think Carson Wentz was like the best thing ever his second year?
The NFL did because he was gonna win the MVP. Yes, compais acl he really was.
Like his touchdown rate was seven and a half. Like he threw thirty three touchdowns on fraudulent. It didn't turn out so hot, but you gotta admit that year he was awesome for fantasy, and he was awesome for the team, and he would have won MVP.
Yeah, and I was the breaking bad gift I was. I was screaming, he can't keep getting away with this, and now who has the last? Yeah, that's right. So Carson Wentz and his hundreds of millions of dollars or whatever.
He's feeling totally fine. So there's president for players like that. But Kenny Pikett wasn't just bad, he was historically bad. He posted the lowest touchdown rate one point eight percent of any rookie quarterback that has twelve starts since nineteen ninety. Like you look at a list, he was the worst. Now, Trevor Lawrence was also on that list as like bottom five. And the good news is if you look back since two thousand, the average for a sophomore first round quarterbacks, which Kenny Pickett was a first round pick, the average touchdown rate since two thousand was four point six percent, which is awesome. It to be a massive jump from him for what he did last year. Sure, you might say to yourself, Okay, well, Kenny Pickett, he was drafted later. He's not as important. You know, he was drafted twentieth. Overall, it's really the top ten picks. So if you were to sort just by top ten picks, it's the exact same percentage. Top ten picks had a four point sixty five percent eleven on four point seven. So I don't care. If you're a first round quarterback and in your sophomore year, you're going to improve and I think we can at least I'll say it's gonna go up from one point eight percent. But Kenny Pickett can kind of sneakily run the ball, and we forget about that. Last year Kenny Pickett had exactly rush attempts, which is I could just log out now and say that that's a good argument. But he ran for two hundred and thirty seven yards, three touchdowns, and he didn't start all the games. Okay, that's four rush attempts per game, eighteen yards, and there's only eight quarterbacks that hit those games that hit those marks, So it doesn't sound like a lot. But in this grand scheme of things, we don't have as many quarterbacks. Like that's where Trevor Lawrence, Patrick Mahomes, Gino Smith gives you that little bump you need in fantasy. And I think that's not always accounted in for Kenny Pickett other than that really cool sliding movie at in college that people always show. So I think Kenny Pickett can hit thirty plus touchdowns, which is what Gino did last year. And I think I'm looking at the tiers right now we have. I'm looking at these quarterbacks. We did a whole show on super flex tiers, and Kyler Murray we have him right around the top ten. It's like it's volatile. It it is Anthony Richardson, super volatile, super volatile. Right, Like, let's say we had fields at that same spot, Like Field's dropped a ton from year one year two because it was just bad. Dak He's up for a contract soon and that'll change Deshaun Watson, who knows Tua is a volatile player in general. And then we have the rookies like Bryce Young c J. Stroud like they're not gonna tear the you know, the doors off. So all that to say, when you think about who is a top fifteen, top twelve quarterback, I think there's room for Kenny Pickett. And I'm ready for you guys just to tell me that's the best argument you've ever heard.
I think there's room for him as a top twelve quarterback. I don't know if he'll get there. I don't know. I don't know that he will get there.
Cake, you have changed that you've grown.
He has looked great and it's very surprising to me because he looked so bad. Uh. I don't think he'll pass Kyler. I would I mean, yeah, I think that the Dak contract extension, they there was something today about that starting to heat up and beat reporters basically saying we would not be surprised if Dak was the next one on the list for Jerry Jones. And I think Dak is still good, so I wouldn't have him passing those two guys. But I like, maybe maybe QB twelve, which right there.
Bets, would you be happy if can you pick it was your QB two in a super flex league.
Yeah, I said it in May. I still feel that way, and I feel like today you win. The other thing, too, was just the preseason. Like last year when you watched the Steelers games down the stretch, they were so concerned. They were trying to win, like you know, seventeen fourteen every game. But and it's the preseason, right, so like we can't overreact, but like they're letting him throw the ball deep. Deonte is great, George Pickens is great. Frying me is great.
He's got two good.
Running backs, like, he has the weapons for sure, so I can I can see the path.
All right.
Mike finishes out with one more bold and spicy.
All right. I think that this still fits in with my theme of screw them running backs, even though I like this player a lot. It's well documented, but the fact that I'm calling for this to happen just explains how crazy the running back landscape is. Each and every year, Alexander Madison jumps to be a top fifteen drafted running back in startup next year after having a great year for the Minnesota Vikings as the running back one. Just look back last year, Dalvin Cook saw the highest snap percentage of his career by a wide margin, seventy two percent of the snaps. You had a brand new offensive coach and a new offensive philosophy. He jumped into a workhorse running back. Before that, the highest snap percentage in games played would have been as a sophomore at sixty three percent. He saw fifty six targets. I'm talking about Dalvin Cook this past year. Now, I'm not saying that Alexander Madison is as good as peque Dalvin Cook. That is not at all the argument. The point is he is good enough. His contract he has is this year and next year, and he's gonna be the RB one for a really high scoring offense. And then, okay, well, dynasty Mike. Alexander Madison has been in the league forever. Surely he can't jump up into the top fifteen. Well, here's some wild information that I haven't even brought up the whole entire time I've been on team Madison here because honestly, I hadn't even thought to look at it. Alexander Madison is headed into year five of his career. Year five, here are running backs that are older than Alexander Madison, se Kuon Barkley, Tony Pollard, Naji Harris, Ramandre Stevens and Josh Jacobs, David Montgomery, Khalil Herbert. In fact, Madison is barely older than Jonathan Taylor, Travis Etn, JK Dobbins, Rashad White, Isaiah Pacheco. Like this is this is this blew my mind.
But Checko's in year two, which is even crazy, like year two in the shot.
White is in year two, that's crazy, and he's in Madison's like six months older than these people. It blew my mind. So he's not as old as you think he is. So the age cliff is still a few years away from Alexander Madison, and it's jumping into the top fifteen. Okay, So looking at it right now, right, we have a ETN Walker, Ramandre, Tony Pollard, Nick Chubb, Javonte Naji, and Austin Eckler. Right, Eckler is probably about to fall out. Even even if Eckler has a crazy good year this year, you just you can't possibly take a twenty to nine thirty year old running back in the top fifteen. And that list that I just rattled off Stevenson and Tony Pollard who were not in that tier. They were backup running backs. Now again, I'm not I don't. I'm not saying that Alexander Madison is a better player than those guys. But the point is you can be a backup and still make I could tear jump to be a top fifteen running backs running back for at least a couple of years. He won't last there very long, but I think that he'll have such a year people will realize how old he actually is, which is twenty five.
Maybe he doesn't even know how old he is.
Yeah, is this who is our boy on the Carolina Panthers who came artist who kept kept aging a year every single day there for a little bit, that was wild. Uh, But he's he's not like, he's not over the hill. He's on a great offense. He should be the starter for at least two years. And I think that he makes the jump. And now here's the difficult part of like playing it out. Would if Alexander Madison makes the jump to being a top fifteen running back, do I trade him? Yeah? I probably do. I cash in my one year. I'm excited about it that my draft pick finally paid off. But the point is, screw those running backs. These rankings jump all all over and you can't stop it because you have to react to the market. It's just the fact that running backs don't hold their value. They get surpassed. Backups jump into the top fifteen. Crazy stuff happens all the time. Wide receivers are much easier to hold on to once they hit a certain status. But I think by next offseason, Alexander Manison top fifteen running back.
No.
I love the looking at these rankings and who jumped in here? Like, so Remandre is entering year three? Yeah older, and last year Remandre was seen as the backup to a player Damian Harris, who had what fifteen rushing touchdowns and so coming into the season, I don't think anybody said there's a scenario where Remondra Stevenson's now a top you know fifteen, like top ten dynasty running back. Things change more than people realize, So capitalize on that, like Romandre would be another player. I don't mind if you want to capitalize on Remandre and say, hey, you know he's a fourth round pick. He's a new England running back. Whatever narrative you want to spin and be able to say, hey, I think I can actually get something for him for your team. So Betsy, any Madison thoughts, because you know, join me, Bets.
Yes, I'm happy to jump in here. Madison's been a guy I've been flip flopping on kind of all off season, and I see the argument for both sides, especially for Redraft. It's like, well, he's the classic dead zone back and he hasn't gotten this opportunity before, and these guys usually fail. But a lot of the times I hear names like Mike Davis get thrown around and it's like, well, Mike Davis was like around the NFL for years, he was like twenty nine. Everyone just assumed he was the guy in Atlanta who is going to be a terrible team. When he was there the guy, it's a different situation. And they went into the off season like they like they knew they were moving on to Dovin Cook. They knew when they resigned Madison that he would be the guy, and he's talked about that openly, like, yeah, they told me when I resigned, I'm the one. So they were planning for this since April March whatever, like it's been in their plans, and so for that reason, I'm kind of in on him this year.
Yeah, And it's and Toby Gerhart's one of the other examples, and it's but every example of the guys who failed, they all switched teams, like Alexander Maddison. I don't know that we've I mean, we can try and resources, but I don't know that we've had this exact scenario where a player is going into year five at the running back position has been behind a truly elite player. So I don't look I and the Pollard Zeke stuff. I mean, I guess maybe that's a little bit the same. But Pollard had earned more playing time. I get it. You can use that as a as a reason, Well Pollard got to play, why didn't Madison get on the field. And I don't know, And but again citing those numbers of Madison was getting on the field more. And then you had a brand new coach who maybe maybe O'Connell just likes the one running back system. There's there's still a handful of coaches who that's how they prefer for it, because they don't want to tip their hand with the running back who's on the field, like what type of play is about to happen? And when you put your satellite back in, the defense knows that we're gonna either pass the ball or run a draw, and like that's our only two options. But if you have someone who has a three down skill set, which Madison does have, you can it opens things up for you. So take that just yeah, I mean take that, Madison haters. Yeah, it's time.
It's a rare player to find. And I did some research a while back of just finding players like Tony Pollard, like, hey, he never over the course of his career, he never got the touches you want, Like in his first four years he has less than six hundred and fifty touches. But if you saw glimpses of it early when they had it, then it was more predictable. Where there were certain players like joyke Bell or Tevin Coleman where it's like, okay, you never really fully got to see them unleashed as just the only dude like technicle never had the backfield.
Just to himself, right, and then he had changed teams.
And they had changed teams. So it's really rare to find that player. And Madison's a really fun I traded for him in Dinah Junior and he's he's my RB one because that's where that's what you do, that's what you gotta do with running backs sometimes. That's gonna do it for the show. If you want to talk more Dynasty, you can do that in our Discord channels. And we're ready for Week one. People, have a good week.
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