2024 Rookie Class Overview + Whoopsie Picks - Dynasty Fantasy Football

Published Jan 31, 2024, 10:00 AM

Dynasty rookie draft preview and strategy! On today’s dynasty fantasy football podcast, Borg, Betz, and Mike give their initial takes on the 2024 rookie class! Plus, a look back at highly touted WR prospects that did not pan out so well in the NFL. Join Borg, Betz, and a Baller each week to take your Dynasty fantasy football game to the next level and dominate your league -- Fantasy Football Podcast for January 31st, 2024.

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast with Borg Bets and a baller.

Welcome in.

It's Wednesday, January thirty. First we're back Fannish Footballer's Dynasty Podcast. I'm your host, Kyle Borganoni, and I'm joined by Matthew Betts and Mike Wright.

Good morning, good morning, Hello, Hello, last football game on the schedule, Mike Party laughing, last fall game on the schedule, Boys super Bowls ahead, which means it's officially prospect season.

The good morning morning got me? Have you guys seen the the meme of the The gal is a newscaster and she says good morning about ten times in a row, something like the lynching the matrix, and she's just like, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning. Something went terribly wrong. Oh I'll try and find it. But if if you, if you haven't seen it, ladies and gentlemen, try and find it. Yeah.

I feel like for the podcasting, we can tell people to welcome in, Welcome in, Welcome in, We're glad you're here, Welcome in, you're with us, welcome in. I mean like there's a point where you kind of go on autopilot when you're audio only, but I can imagine being in front of the camera. I mean, Mike, you you have a face for the camera right now in the season of life.

That yeah, I mean always, not just the season.

Right now, Mike sa Mike in his twenties, you know, were you ready for the camera?

Uh?

Sometimes you wanted to be on a stage though, Oh yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it's a I mean that kind of camera is like it's it's zoomed in, but it's very far away.

Yeah. No, I you know. I actually I went to college thought I would do like some type of sports journalism broadcasting, and here I am, but I get to do it behind the mic, and so people just kind of get to hear my sultry tones. Mostly they just imagine, oh yeah.

And that's what people say about Kyle's boy.

Sultry, sultry man, sultry. On this episode, we will kind of be turning the page and looking forward at the rookie class. We'll be doing a rookie class overview. And I really like the approach that our team is taking. We've done this last couple of years as we rolled out the Dynasty pass, but we want to be as transparent as possible, saying, here's where we're at with these prospects, here's how we can grow, Here's where I might have some blind spots. And just know, when you're looking at rookies, rookie picks and dynasty leagues, you know, the NFL Draft, there's so much right now at the end of January, we don't know. And we'll talk about some of these examples, including do you guys remember a couple of years ago, at this point of the year, Malik Willis was supposed to be the number two overall pick.

Oh yeah, good times, good good.

I mean, did he he went in the second round or where did he go?

I don't remember, third, third round, eighty six overall, and up until March, guys, he was the betting favorite to go number two overall, which is just wild because that guy probably won't be the league in a couple of years. Like he's he's not even like doing well as the backup on his own team. Correct, So so much can change, and so whatever consensus opinion you see out there, you know, for this month next month, his draft stock actually skyrocket. I did some research and just remembering what happened at his pro day, he had one like bomb throw and and so everybody was just mocking him as he's gonna.

Go number two overall the old Zach Wilson.

Yes, the one off balance throw that this kind of reminds us of Rogers. This is kind of like Mahomes. Therefore, we need to elevate this player. On draft day, I looked, his over under was thirteen and a half, Like that's where that like on draft day, that's where people thought he was gonna be drafting. He dropped, you know, another two rounds.

So I feel like when that happens, like the book comes to you and they're like, you got this so wrong that you owe us more money.

Now, like you were not even closer, Like I warn you no points, yes, yes, May God have mercy on your soul. So I think it's okay to admit I don't know everything about this player in January. I don't know everything about this player in February. But we're going to hopefully gain a deeper and deeper knowledge of these guys their production profiles. So on this episode, we're gonna give an overview of these picks, quarterbacks, running back, wide receivers, and even a tight end. Because really this year's class has one dude and everybody else. So we'll talk about the those guys, and the Dynasty Pass is right around the corner.

It's on the way weeks away.

Yeah, so Super Bowl Sunday, we will release the twenty twenty four Dynasty Pass, which is part of the Ultimate Draft Kit plus if you want to get that at Ultimate Draftkit dot com. Bets. You are about halfway through going through these teams, mowing through all these teams with the team opportunity.

So.

Many any insights, anything that's blown you away as you've gone through these teams. I mean, really, we know the draft order except for two more teams, and we kind of know who's free agents, so you have a lot of pieces of the puzzle already.

Yeah, it's a very fun exercise every offseason to kind of just take a step back and realize where these teams are at with their cap situation, their NFL Draft capital, and then just like what players are leaving the team most likely in free agency or what are their team needs and like, man, you go through some of the teams and you realize, yeah, the depth chart seems pretty thin. Then you look at the names like on the depth chart teams that are players that are leaving from free agency and you're like, holy crap, man, like this is an elite landing spot for a rookie or free agent. I just finished doing the Ravens after they unfortunately loss this past weekend. Their running back situation is not good. It is Justice Hill and move on. So again an elite He'll still under one more year, one more year. But Gus Buss is a free agent obviously.

JK.

Dobbins with the injury, is a free agent. They really don't have anyone besides Justice Hill right now. So one of those spots that stuck out to me, I was like, whoa, let's see where one of these free agents goes. Could be Baltimore for a pretty sweet spot.

The King, the King. I look. Teams like the Ravens are so strange to me because as an organization, you know, for as long as I can remember, you go, that is a well run organization they have. Was it Ozzie Newsome who kind of like, yes, like set the mold of this is what you like. Light your players go and get free third round picks, get free compensatory picks, and rebuild your team that way. But then at the same time they they do things like give Odell Beckham fifteen million dollars guaranteed or whatever. The when the contract.

Happened all eighteen by the time it was all said crazy.

It was so absurd for people like the age snobs and all of like all of us in our mom's basements of saying, you can't give Odell Beckham that money like he is he can still help your team, but he's not. He's no longer Odell Beckham Junior, the giant receiver who caught the ball one handed over his head, falling backwards, like he can't give you that anymore? Why are you paying him that way? And look what happened. But the point of that being is the Ravens, while they're well run, seemed like a team who's not afraid to go look at Derrick Henry, a running back who you should not heavily invest in financially, and heavily invest in him financially.

The Ravens, you know, they've killed and the draft mics talked about it in Finding players later on. I feel like some of their picks in the first round, you know, aside from Lamar, you know, Zay Flowers is a fine pick as a rookie, They've had some questionable ones, And I want to kind of bring that up as our quick question. Because the NFL, their job, their billion dollar industry, is fore casting players. Our job and what we do is also doing that from a fantasy perspective. So the NFL gets it wrong, and of course we get it wrong because we're stepper or two removed from the process, right, Like, I'm interpreting what this team is doing, what their opportunity is, how good this player is. So we got to admit at first, like I'm a step removed from that. But when you look at the draft capital, you know what you see on film, the production profile, what we talked about in the dynasty past, and the team, Like you have three or four things that you kind of check the box for, but often we miss and bets. You have a player listed here from the Ravens that seem like he checked those and so let's each kind of list a player that we thought coming into rookie drafts, we thought coming in the process like this player makes a lot of sense. They had the draft capital and it just didn't work out.

Yeah, the guy you're talking about is Rashad Bateman, who was taking twenty seventh overall. This was back in twenty twenty one, in that draft, and at the time, I went back and looked at the roster, kind of remembering like, okay, he had the draft capital, he was a guy that a lot of people liked on film. He also had a lot of production at Minnesota. And I remember kind of thinking, like, who was on the roster at the time. So I went back this morning and I looked at and it was like, okay, they had Hollywood Brown. They obviously had Mark Andrews, but it was kind of before like Mark Andrews was truly truly elite, and at the time, Hollywood Brown was kind of like a no man's land type of player. He wasn't really a bona fide number one, And people thought, oh, Rashad Bateman could step in and be the one on this team, or at least he and Hollywood could have that one two pun chut wide receiver. And you know, the rookie season was okay, over five hundred yards, You're like, okay, it's at least showing me something here. But then in year two, you know, had the list Frank surgery. Then this pass offseason, has a little bit of a public dispute with the GM on I think it was like Twitter or something, and then they draft say Flowers, and you're like, okay, they are telling us what they think of a shot Bateman that he can't necessarily be the answer. But at the time, I mean, it looked good. The draft capital, like I said, was there, the production was there. Hasn't worked out. He has I believe, one more year left right now, assuming they're not going to pick up his fifth year option. We have one year left with Baltimore and then kind of a nomain's land for fantasy, given that he hasn't done anything in the last two or so seasons.

Their picks are wild. I went back to twenty fourteen, so over the last decade, you know, Brashad Perryman, they took twenty six overall, which is wild. Hayden Hurst we talked about that. I believe it was last episode, like they took him ahead of Mark Andrews, Hollywood Brown, who has gone in a couple of Rashad Bateman, and then they took Flowers, who looks like a high floor pick. But there's a pace or skilled players.

It's it's skilled players in the first round that they have been struggling with.

Yeah, it's it. I mean, and we'll go through the list of players, but man, there's there's so many hit or miss players that you don't think about because rookie fever picks up over the next two or three months that everybody you're going to see through a rose colored lens. Mike, you have a wide receiver that went in the top five in the draft and now doesn't even have a team.

Well, it's it's and it's weird because this player, like when you evaluate his entire career as a pro, it's I don't think it is a bust. But for a very very long time, it wasn't. It's Corey Davis who we were the fantasy football community was overall very excited for Corey Davis. I mean, he was an absolute production juggernaut. He was at a smaller school, so that was something that you had to like factor into your analysis. Will this translate? Would he have been doing this at a bigger school? But then the Tennessee Titans said, yeah, it's gonna work out for Corey Davis and we're gonna take him. Where was he drafted? He was top ten. I don't remember what number fifth, Yeah, I mean just out the expectations for him were outrageous and everything was there for him. Those four boxes that Bets ran through, he checked every single one of them. And it wasn't until much later on in his career in Tennessee that he even was able to do anything. Gets the big payday from the Jets and has kind of you know, I think he had a season for the Jets where it was okay, but has now basically vanished. And that's just Corey Davis to me is like this, this is the exact thing you were talking about, Kyle, of how can NFL teams get these things so wrong? And you know, thinking through it, as I often do from a more philosophical standpoint, is, especially on the outside, like we have no way to measure these guys' personalities, their mentality, their their work ethic. And I'm not calling Corey Davis' work ethic into questions, saying there is a different level that you need to put in in college compared to being a professional. You always hear players of like, hey, you know what what happened? What do you credit the the escalation of your career when it was. They always point to veteran players who say they came in they showed me how to be a pro, and it always sounds like, yeah, yeah, you know, that's just YadA YadA, that's teammates speak. But I think there is really something to that that you have to learn how to be a professional. You have to learn what the the amount of work that you have to put in the way that you have to take care of your body, and just overall tenacity. I mean, I don't sit here and proclaim that I could play in the NFL because I'm too soft. Like I mean, I remember playing I remember playing flag football and watching like just just recreational flag football and watching guys out here full laying out to try and catch a pass, and I'm like, no, man, I'm not doing that, like breaking a collarbone here playing rec football. So I can go back to my job and have a bum arm forever. But the point being, I'm a softy, soft little baby boy, and you gotta be so tough. And that's an evaluation that that we can't make on the outside, and even on the inside is still very difficult for the NFL to make. Right.

There's so much subjective that when you look at a player, you first he can say, oh, well, drafts in the top five, he's got a production he checks this, But then what scheme fit is he in? Like, that's what I love seeing about Sean McVay. He's like, I'm gonna use Pooka. I know exactly how to use him. He's he actually popped a lot in our you know metrics that we talked about this last year behind the scenes.

So you guys saw that video right the Yes, the draft, We're like, EI, They're like, we gotta we're gonna nail this pick. This is gonna be incredible.

Yes, that's I mean, what a what a great feeling. But by the way, that draft that Mike was talking about twenty seventeen, I mean the picks after Corey Davis. So the Jets took Jamal Adams, then the Chargers took Mike Williams seventh overall, eighth overall, some guy named Christian McCaffrey, uh John Ross at ninth overall. The Chiefs traded up and took some guy named Patrick Mahomes tenth overall. Marshawn Latimore has been awesome, Deshaun Watson at twelve, but also, Cooper cup was in this draft. I mean, there's some baller.

What about the guy picked a head of Cory Davis. Oh fourth overall, Never forget.

Man, not a time, man, what a crazy time. I'll throw out one more wide receiver. Seems to be our theme where it hasn't worked out in the pros. But if you would have asked anybody, and I went back to look at rookie drafts in twenty twenty, woods Jerry Judy going to be a wide receiver, top fifteen Fantasy wide receiver. I think everybody said, yeah, he'll get there. He definitely will, and it hasn't worked out apart from a touchdown barrage the year before at the very end of the year, it's it's been pretty bad. Where he was an Alabama wide receiver and everything we had before that draft was Alabama wide receivers in the NFL crush. I mean it was Ridley before that, it was Amari Cooper, it was Julio. These guys crush and he was one of the best. Like he on film, Jerry Judy looked like a player at Alabama that he said, oh man, look at the separation. Look how they use him. He's he's going to be one of the great. So he checked almost every single box. The opportunity was there, and yet Jerry Judy has done next to nothing except for one top twenty four season. He's he's somehow gonna get a fifth year with the Broncos. But looking at that rookie draft guys, I mean, it's all this.

That's my biggest takeaway is looking back into the past of rookie drafts is only pain. It is pain. I mean, this was the Clyde Edwards Hilaire one oh one that you threw your one on one into the garbage, which guilty I did it. I overvalued opportunity. John Taylor. I mean that, even with everything that's happened in the ups and downs, that's still a smash pick. But Jerry Judy terrible pick. DeAndre Swift for the most part, a bad pick when you start factoring in with the guys we're going to talk about JK. Dobbins. I really believe it would have worked this year, but I mean, what an achilles injury and probably close to the end of the career there. But then it's you know, Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson. Oh man, and I mean it wasn't immediate for Ceedee Lamb. Like Jefferson is the name on this list that if you had a pick before the sidetrack. This is why we talk about fault Like take the inputs that the NFL is giving you, but don't be afraid because taking the ADP player who you are quote slotted to take. There's sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. So stand on your merit of no, this is the guy that I believe in, and don't be afraid, you know, at to take justin Jefferson, if that's who you believe in, it could turn into a big miss. But it's just hitting on the players that you believe in versus missing on the players that you don't believe in. I mean, there is a there is a strong mental warfare that happens when that when you miss on a player that someone else told you to like but you didn't like them, one of the worst feelings in all of fantasy football.

And if you if you just want to, you know, feel sick and twisted and go through all these picks. I have an article out that's called Breakouts and Busts. For the last five years of rookie drafts, and you'll go, what the heck, because it's easy to look back in hindsight and say, what Justin Jefferson, why was he going at the back of the first round in rookie drafts? Because, well, he was taken behind Ceed Lamb, He's taking behind Jerry Judy, He's taken behind Henry Ruggs, who's actually the first wide receiver drafted in the NFL draft that year. So at the time it you know, you can see how these things make sense. It's more of just I think what Mike's saying, don't go in and say this is what I have to do. Stay water, be open to changing your mind, and we'll talk about these prospects that we're going to, you know, go through today. It's like I have a initial opinion, I have a gut reaction, and on some of these guys, I have zero clue. Like I'm not going to pretend to say I know everything about bo Nix and you know his film from Auburn and his film from and here's what he's going to be. But I want to kind of progress and think this is what he's going to be as we move forward. But that's any last thoughts on just rookie drafts and how to stay water.

I mean, yeah, if you just go back to the last five six years and you you know, look the ADPs and you look at who hit and who didn't. Mike laid it out perfectly, and like the reality and expectation is that you should probably expect your rookie pick to not turn into a superstar. Like that's that's the actual outcome that's probably gonna happen, right, I mean, and yeah.

We're like what we were like, yo, you see you know how many draft picks I.

Have exactly And when we do the rookie scouting process, I find myself doing this too. I tend to try to look at everything positively of like, oh this guy could be this, yep, like Rasha Bateman, like he could be this. With Baltimore, It's like, well, yeah he could, but is that a ten percent chance a twenty percent chance? It's not great, right, So I need to be better, I think, just like when I scout guys of understanding, I'm not just looking at it positively, but also looking at like where could this go wrong?

How do they fail?

Is the market overvaluing this player or this pick? We see that all the time, every single year that happens. And so, like Kyle said, don't be afraid to kind of, you know, have your own stance on players, and also don't be afraid to go against consensus because every year, in hindsight, Rickey drafts looks silly, sillier and sillier as the years go on. Right, So I don't think we should. You know, if you're a new dynasty player and you have a handful of people that you trust, you like us, you like other people, whatever, like question it. It's this is a very fluid process that not only we get wrong, but the NFL gets wrong every single year. So that's my biggest take away from Ricky drafts is I think there's too much group think. Yeah, and a lot of these guys will fail.

Yeah. And when we talk about players, you said, it's there's a range of outcomes and every single player has it where you don't even look at Marvin Harrison Junior and say, wow, he has one hundred percent chance to be a great player. Like no, Like, yes, he has a good chance. And when you start to put numbers to those kind of things, you realize like, oh, man, like there is a chance that any player this draft in the top five, and we can go through a bunch of them fails. We'll talk about the quarterbacks. Dear lord, there are so many quarterbacks taken in the top five that have failed in the NFL that in a super flex league, you said, I have to take this player. There's still a chance that things go south.

Yeah, we have. I think Jason and I were having this discussion of someone was saying, you know, I'm I'm in a super flex league. I had the one on one last year, I needed quarterback. I passed on Bijeon and I took Bryce Young, and it's like, I mean, that feels bad. They have the one on one again this year. Superflex still need quarterback production. And it was the discussion of, Okay, well do you take you know, Caleb Williams one on one or do you take Marvin Harrison Junior who has seemingly a much higher probability of hitting and being a success for your fantasy football team. So that those will be really, really fun discussions as we get further along in the process.

All Right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. All right, We're back, and we're gonna talk about these twenty twenty four rookies, and I just this part of the process makes me so happy because some of these guys are just blank slates. I look at some of my rookie picks. I was looking at one of my leagues this morning, and wow, I got the one O three. I think I have like four picks in the first round. I'm like, even from a discussion a second ago, I'm like, man, if half of those turn out, well, like, I feel great. It's not a guarantee. So it's a good time of the year to start all over, get a fresh view, don't just copy and paste what you see out there on Twitter. So let's get into.

It rookie fever.

I feel like I'm starting to pick up the momentum now where you know, we were still we're like we were in the playoffs and bets and I've doing playoff dfs now we just have one more game left. But now I'm like, I think I'm like fully in this morning, I made this giant spreadsheet that kind of gives my confidence level.

What a nerd it was games played in spreadsheets, Kyle, get your hand.

Sorry sorry, it was my model, my my uh model that happened to be a spreadsheet with like very simple formulas in it, but looking at this class, looking at what mock drafts say is going to happen, and then going, ah, I don't know if that's like where things live like right now. We looked at a mock draft the other day that came out and had like seven wide receivers in the first round.

I think it was I was looking at NFL mock draft database, which is a great yes source. They do, like essentially they're a big compiler seeing where everyone in the industry is kind of mock drafting players and putting it together in a, you know, an easier to consume format, And it was like, of the projected top thirty two picks, I think there was nine currently projected wide receivers going in that range. It's unlikely to happen, but the fact that we're talking about it right now people are that excited about nine wide receivers, like that's that's a good time.

The same thing with like, you know, if you look at a lot of consensus mock drafts, they're gonna have three quarterbacks in the top three. They're gonna have Marvin Harrison, and they might even have another offensive skill player in the top five, which would be just wild. So there's a lot we don't know right now, and just an overview of the class. We'll go through a position by position. This is not an exhaustive you know, we grinded the tape for every single player. We will have those episodes coming out where we review all the quarterbacks what we think based on film, kind of give a range of outcomes for these players some comps. But the twenty twenty four class, guys, is loaded with offensive skill players for fantasy, and that's pretty awesome. Like a lot of times we're kind of like scratching and clawn like is this guy really worth the you know, one oh seven, and we're kind of like pushing guy more up the board a couple of years ago where it's like, ah.

How dare you? How dare you?

Ah?

It was that was good times, guys. But I feel like if you are a super flex drafter, you got to be really excited about having an early pick because there are a couple of quarterbacks that are you know, seem to be consensus, seem to be up there right now. Kayleb Williams is minus nine hundred to go number one overall, So that's a pretty good sign things could change. But if you have, if you stockpile picks for this year, you should be excited for quarterback and wide receiver. We're going to talk about running back because it's a pretty weak class and that might change the supply and demand what usually we see in rookie drafts. So we'll talk about that in a second, but let's start with quarterbacks. I mentioned Malik Willis earlier as kind of like a case study of how things can change over the span of the next three or four months. Last year, let's go back to last year. CJ. Stroud at one point was the favorite to go number one, and then he took a test that none of us actually know what it meant, and it changed the course of the betting world. The Wonderlick test.

Too.

Sorry, yes, it was the whole today.

I don't even care. I don't even know.

For a month, this was all people talked about S two versus Wonder Like, what does it mean? Kenny process?

What a time?

I so, I remember doing my rookie profile for CJ Stroud it and I said it. I think we said it on the main show too. It was my favorite one I've ever done of any prospect since twenty sixteen. And we talked about on the show. We talked about, you know, the intermedia thrower that he is, and he's more of like a point guard out there despite you know, he's tall, like he's he's legit, and you know, it's like, I have this going into it, and then am I supposed to change how I feel because this is how the crowd feels and this is the emotions that go into it. So think about that with CJ.

Stroud.

But on the other side, think about this with Will Levis. What would you guys, Mike, how would you categorize how we felt about Levis as a prospect? Okay, beyond just as a person.

Coming into the draft season, we were trying to be nice lower than the consensus. We were not impressed with Will Levis. We saw several red flags that we thought would not transfer to the NFL.

One of those things I remember Jason saying this all the time, is like and he did in the NFL too, is like this guy cannot see when pressure is coming, Like he just he's unaware, and he's also willing to take on hits, you know, the way that you kind of see Josh Allen's like, look, sometimes Josh Allen, you need to get down. Other times he wants to jump over somebody. And Will Levis went from being the betting favorite to go number two overall. Do you guys know he was the betting favorite the day before the draft.

I didn't remember that he was number two. I remember the whole c J. Stroud madness very very well, as as we were, you know whatever, we're really getting really fart sniffy on our CJ. Stroud dicks, just letting that be the only thing that we talked about. Uh, but I was, I was. I was so angry that they would even consider c. DE Stroud not being the number two overall pick. I was angry about it. And then someone at the book got news because he Castroud just went from like plus the number got smaller, gout smaller. And I mean this was over the course of like fifteen minutes. This thing went from plus money to to don't do not put a bet on this because you're not gonna win a single dollar. So, but I get Will Levis was the one who was supposed to be number two the day before. Oh my gosh, man.

Yeah, BET's and I know we got to do a lot of betting stuff on dfs and betting podcasts and stuff. But like, you know, we had that crazy thing with Levis where some guy on Reddit said he had some information about him going to Carolina and it changed all the odds and you know, he ended up going thirty third overall. But my point of bringing this up is not to you know, dunk on anybody or to say here's where we're right, here's where we're wrong, but more say, things change in the public's opinion of the quarterback position a ton and this year we have a lot of different quarterbacks to work with.

Yeah, and just to add on that with not the betting lines in the NFL draft correlated a ton of dynasty because a lot of us are drafting of course after the NFL drafts, so we kind of have the information. But it does give you kind of the sense of like, oh, this is definitely what's going to happen, and this is what the market.

Is telling me.

But these lines are so off, man, Like they're not you know, they're not created with an algorithm or with math. It's like kind of field based, right, and you the case in point, like Seiday straggling from plus whatever it was to a lock to go number two within minutes leading up to the NFL Draft. Is is case in point on this. So yeah, again with like guys like Will Levis and Leek Willis. At some point in the off season, if you had those dynasty picture, you're like, Okay, these guys are going top ten, like that's definitely gonna happen. You viewed them that way until they weren't, right, So so much can change between now and the NFL Draft that I would just be careful of whatever you see out there as consensus almost certainly is not gonna happen come Draft day.

Right now, you know, there's mocked about five to six quarterbacks in the first round, which is a lot. I put the number, you know, four and a half is kind of the betting number that I through out there. But the names that you probably know are Kayleb Williams of USC, Drake May from North Carolina, Jaden Daniels who just won the Heisman from LSU, and then Michael Pennocks junior from Washington, Bo Nicks from Oregon, and JJ McCarthy from Michigan. I want to start off with Kayleb Williams because seems like he's going number one. It seems like everything we've been told last couple of years is generational player. If you're in a super flex, you should take a mic with bringing up that conversation earlier. I mean, just look at one oh one's in the NFL draft. We're not even talking fantasy yet. They haven't all worked out people. I don't know if you know that, but like even quarterbacks, going back to twenty fifteen, it was Jamis, then it was Goff Baker, Kyler, Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, and then last year Bryce Young. If you were to use the one oh one in a super flex on those guys, how many of those would you have been happy with?

Ooh, Burrow for sure? Yeah, Burrow for sure. And I think you're probably still happy with Kyler. I mean the but like up in Kyler's just just it's so strange because I'm I'm an Arizona boy, and even I forget, like dude, he was. He was dominant for for not just the NFL, he was dominant for fantasy football. And then the team tanked and he tore an a cl and all that and that was like in that short span of time, it feels like Kyler Murray is now not is like everything that he did is erased, like he didn't just do that recently. So yeah, I'm gonna be I'm gonna say, if you have the one on one, you were happy with Kyler and you're happy with Burrow.

I think this year, you know, I have one on one in a league, and I've kind of been back and forth between two guys already, but I'm open to saying I'm not just taking a quarterback. Is there anything that you guys so far just say like, hey, fantasy wise, this is what would keep him from being great. So let's say it's the Bears. It's really hard for me to paint a negative light. There is a huge chance for a median outcome for any player. When we go through his profile and we talk about his film in a couple of weeks, I'm sure there's gonna be things that I bring up. I'm like, well, everyone's saying this, and here's my contrarian view. But in terms of a high floor, in terms of an opportunity right away, it's pretty great, and it's pretty great that we've seen him in college be mahomes in and put up video game numbers too. So I don't know any initial thoughts before we go into the process over the next couple of weeks that you're just any red flags or anything that you're like, here's my initial feel.

I mean, I'll jump in real quick on Williams first thing before we move on. The Bears are already posting Justin Field's highlight clips on their social media after they previously posted Andy Dalton QB one signing him a free agency and then taking Justin Fields. So just be careful with what you see on the Bear social media whether or not he goes there.

The value up so good, but just.

On him, Like, I think the thing with these guys that we need to have a long term view on is like the Trevor Lawrences of the world of like, oh, this guy is going to be the next prospect. He's kind of had that in his profile for the last two plus years. I would say, if you're into college football, so he has kind of the pedigree that you're looking for, I will say, like there were times this year and I haven't done a full study on him yet, but just kind of watching him at USC this past year, it was like he would have some incredible moments and then some plays where you're like, kind of let me down a little bit. So, as with any rookie, it's not set in stone, and there are ways where it goes wrong. But I think if you're looking at just early takes on the spot, he's gonna have every opportunity to be the starter wherever he goes, and he's going to go.

Top five, no doubt about that.

And so yeah, if you're looking at just a rookie quarterback that's probably gonna have multiple years at a chance to be great. Of the guys on this list, he is the most likely to have that chance.

Yeah, him and Jade Daniels have the earliest breakout age. And Jane Daniels is kind of hard to categorize because he transferred, and also because there's years at Arizona State, which Andy brings us up a lot. He's like, we were Arizona boys. We've seen this guy play, and then all of a sudden he becomes a video game character. But there's obviously a love a lot to like with Kleb Williams. Jane Daniels just put up the best QBR season since twenty ten, which is something we look at a lot. I'm doing my film evaluation of him literally right now, and what I'm doing is trying to look at Arizona State film and then it's bad, and then LSU film and then this past year like where he just went on off and try to say, Okay, is there anything that really changed. I know there's different players, different coaching staff, but I'm I'm going into that process, so I don't just look at this year's film.

Yeah, I'll jump in and just say I'm starting my study as well, but I will this is just who I am in my fantasy football DNA. Unless Jayden Daniels plummets in the draft, I can't imagine he won't be my one oh one as in terms of quarterback rankings because I because I played fantasy to win. Like Caleb Williams, I think floor pick is kind of the perfect way to put it. I'm not saying Caleb Williams can't be a true ceiling hit for your team, but guys who are pocket passers primarily like you have to. You have to be put into such a incredible situation and be that good that It's just it's so rare to have those guys, I mean Burrow, Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals. If like, try to just imagine the world where they take Pinnay Sul and they don't take Jamar Chase. Does Joe Burrow put up that season like those video game numbers that he was putting up for for the Bengals, And I don't know that you can say for sure either way, but I would lean that probably not as good. I mean, you you have to have for a pocket passion, you have to have both of those things hit where a great quarterback with a with a big arm an over I get. I'll add another one, and an offensive play caller. Because for for the first half of Joe Burrow's career to start, he had he would It seemed like the training wheels were on. It was we're gonna run like we are the highest tee of teams, or we're just gonna keep running and running. And then eventually Joe Burrow was unleashed and they decided they figured out this is the best way to go for the offense. But just if Caleb Williams has to if he goes to the Bears, you know he has DJ Moore. That's great. The Bears do have another high pick, so there's a chance that they take another skill player. If all of those things happens, then maybe, yeah, maybe Caleb Willings. You just lock it in as the easy number one fantasy quarterback to pick, But it's gonna be I think it'll be very difficult for people to weigh out Caleb Williams being a sure fire hit versus Jayden Daniels feeling like a one year wonder. But he's the one that if he hits in the NFL, is going to put up ridiculous fantasy numbers.

Right when you put up eleven hundred rushing yards, ten on the ground and then another forty through the air. I mean, like I said, video game numbers for Jayden Daniels. Yeah, and Mike's very clear. Let us be clear. This is a fantasy take. This is a fantasy football team.

Yes, yes, I'm and I'm sitting here. I'm just I'm still in the burn ward from my taking Trey Lance over Trevor Lawrence, like because that feels that feels bad, but it doesn't feel the worst because you're looking at what, Okay, what does Trevor Lawrence become. It's yeah, Trey Lance over Trevor Lawrence one percent incorrect, but it's still the process that I will I will probably take. I'll be a maniac, yes.

And right now it's you know, consensus in NFL draft terms, Catle Williams one Drake May of U n C, who also has put up awesome numbers dual threat numbers at U and C at Washington, which would just be hilarious if he went in there for Sam Howell, and then Jane Daniels is kind of seen as a third, which is New England there. So those are kind of the three.

And now I'm just remembering that that it's probably gonna be Ben Johnson to Washington.

There's there's dude.

These are some really tricky situations to navigate it because Ben Johnson with with McLaurin Dotson and his pick at quarterback. Oh man, this is gonna be a rough one.

Yes. I'll throw out a couple more thoughts real quick. In the initial process. When I look at prospects, we look at their age, we look at you know, draft capital, we look at production stuff. And Michael Pennick Junior from Washington Bonicks from Oregon will be twenty four after the draft. So like this summer, and I went through and looked at every single quarterback that was twenty four or older to get drafted in the first two rounds. And apart from Carson Palmer.

Who was Jeo Palmer, Palmer's a hit, yeah.

And he was taken first. Overall, you have Burrow on this list and Andy Dalton was fine as an NFL pro. But in terms of like fantasy the hit pick.

He did okay, there was there was a season or two there where Dalton.

Was fine, right, he was serviceable. He's a good NFL pro. But like, it's not a good list to be on. And so that is not the only thing we look at with prospects to say, oh they're old, they won't work. Obviously, they're not Brandon Weed and old where they're twenty nine when they get drafted.

But yes, I had to almost can't be true, like what I had.

To adjust my settings when I did the kind of search. I was like, okay, so like somebody, you know, anybody who's twenty four, like I don't know, twenty seven, twenty eight, And I was like, oh no, he was older than that.

So that's unbelievable.

Yeah, so those are prospects that we have on the radar as kind of seen close to being first round, but I could see them following U falling a little bit. And then my last little point here I want to give is that we're not good at drafting quarterbacks and superflex leagues. I've found and I have, you know, an article out there. Do we overvalue them? And the data says we do. The hit rate on them to get a top twelve season in their first two years is about fifty to fifty. So a lot of times you're thinking, oh, I got a quarterback, I got a starter for the next you know, five years or beyond. Like a lot of times these guys aren't even starting throwing teams in three to four years, much less for your fantasy team. So the hit rate is a lot lower than you think. You can check that out on the website if you want. But let's take a quick break and then we're gonna have a good little debate about running backs. Guys. Twenty twenty four, This ain't your mom is running back class. In fact, like I'm going to the list, there's not a lot of guys like but they're the one thing I will say is there's bigger dudes here. Last year we had some itty bitty baby boys, as Jason says, we had Jamir Gibbs sub two hundred pounds, we had a Chan sub two hundred pounds, and we were like, are these guys big enough? And of course they crushed for fantasy. But this class is bigger, girthier. I don't know what's the word I want to use.

Thicker, thick boys we got we got thick boys, the thick boys, all right, yeah, we.

Got thick boys. So the running back class this year, the draft capital will likely not be as good good.

Except for the like consensus number one running back. He's not a thick boy.

I'm Blake Koram.

He's do you not see him like everywhere? As the kind of the consensus number one right now? I miss reading that.

I mean, I think most people I see on list that he is up there. But there's like this cluster of about three or four guys that I could see all in there. But he's older. You know, we we'll talk about him, but you know, just five eight, two thirteen's. But he's a champ. He's a tiny little tank. So Mike you've gotten to do a little bit of early running back scouting, any early takes in these guys.

Just the that's where it's I mean, the start of the Blake Korum and maybe that is it could have rapidly changed already, like that's how quick things are moving right now. But I saw a kind of a three pack of these are the these are the top guys. So that the three names, the big names at least that I'm seeing out there, Blake Koram, Jonathan Brooks, and Trey Benson. And these these names are according to mock drafters, so I'll put it in that type of a term. So I started with Blake Korum and I started with Jonathan Brooks, and it was okay, I can see some some things, some some upside, but I dude, I don't I don't know about this. And then I messaged Kyle and I I I think, I said, like, I'm just sad. I'm sad watching these these two guys. And then I said, wait, wait, hold on, there could be some lights. There could be some light. And I watched Trey Benson who's at Florida State, and guys, I mean we're early on in the process. So I'm trying to be prudent and pump the brakes to myself, but I was very much enjoying watching Trey Benson and looked like a guy. I mean, it was snap one immediate watching Blake Corn watching Brooks and then the first nap of Tray Bens and you went, oh, that's an NFL pro. So at the very least, we have one guy so far that I could be excited about. We'll see it because it, I mean the whole. I would say, do you guys agree that the Dynasty community had already proclaimed like last year, Hey, the twenty twenty four running backs, it's going to be pretty rough. So the fact that we can find any in there, that's okay, it's a little bit of a light go ahead bets.

Yeah, I just think too when you compared to last year, it's like, man, we were so spoiled with Bjehn eighth overall, Gibbs twelfth overall. Like, these guys are so good that I'm with you. The running back class as a whole is quite weak. Not to mention, Jonathan Brooks is coming off of a torny ACL to add some uncertainty about his rookie season, so yeah, just in general, not super excited. And we'll find I think a couple of diamonds in the rough in the class, but you're probably not going to see any round on guys. You're probably not gonna see a ton of early round two guys. And so when we talk about draft capital mattering, especially at running back, like the Day three picks, the hit rate is so so low, and I think you're gonna see a lot of running backs go on Day three this year based off early projections. So we'll see if that comes to fruition or not. But just in general, I think it kind of elevates if you're if you're someone holding like a back of round and one like a lot of early round two rookie picks. My first take on the class is if like you are running back needy, like don't be afraid to flip one of those for one of these penning free agents for a veteran and that has a year or two left on their deal, that it does kind of feel like one of those seasons where we might not see a lot of turnover at the position the way we normally do with you know, the influx of rookies we had last year, so I would say just some of these kind of veterans that aren't sexy might give you another year or two because of this class being relatively weak.

That's a good take because I just can see those picks, Like I was formatting my round one thinking of all the picks that I have, you know in the league, it's like one O three, one oh five, one oh six, And then I was looking at one of these picks. I was like the one eleven, and I'm just like, I don't know who's going to land there. I know my team needs running backs, but there's just there's this giant part of the draft where we kind of see these elevated players, these quarterbacks, these wide receivers that are already showing up in NFL draft world, as these are the guys, and there's no consensus right now to say this is the running back prospect, So be open to change. Last year to give you some numbers for Jamior Gibbs, I mean he moved up draft boards his expected draft position, which you can look if you want to go back on grinding the mocks or mock draft database, Like three weeks before the draft, he was kind of seen as going forty third overall in the draft, like that's that's where he was thought to be. We put out a bet. I remember bets that you just for him to be drafted in round one, and you got really good odds. It was plus two to eighty uh for Jamier Gibs to be drafted in the first round and that was a week before the draft. And then you have some people that are super plugged in, like Peter Schrager, those kind of names that are like, hey, this guy's going round one. I don't think anybody saw him going twelfth overall, but running backs can move because there's not really a consensus now, not that high. But I think I think there's some bigger guys that I like, Like Braylan Allen from Wisconsin is a.

Yeah, yeah, yep.

I like him too.

He's huge. I mean he's massive, six two to two forty, great breakout age. So he's kind of interesting, as you know, a player that could carry the load. But I don't know. I'm I'm worried because a lot of people draft based on need at the running back position, because everybody needs running backs in our shows, we've done this in the past, that reaching on running backs and dynasty drafts just doesn't work out that well. And so that back of the first round, I'm worried that a lot of these guys, three or four of these guys are going to be elevated, that the NFL might say they're not really good enough to be there. You feel like that happens a lot in drafts.

I'll jump in. The first example I can remember is I don't remember who else was on the board, but like a late first or early second rounder. Man, Now I don't remember exactly, but it was Michael Carter from the Jets, who was a fourth round pick if I remember that right. But like they this team needed running backs, so they took Michael Carter, and it was whoa man, this when there's like day two skill players on the board. To take the risk it? I know, I just said take your guy, but you there are NFL inputs like Michael Carter being drafted where he was that said the team is not going to be very invested in him. And I mean that played out well. If you took Michael Carter in the rookie draft, you probably felt great, like like, oh, I got to hit this guy. Had a whole bunch of receptions, We're all lined up. It's gonna be fantastic. And then so next year the Jets like, no, we got a first round running back that we're going to take in Brest Hall. Michael cart is now replaced. He's not even on the team anymore. So that is that's the true danger I think of the of the day three running backs is you fall. It's so easy to fall into a the trap of I'm comfortable because this guy's safe, like I hit, we did it, I found a running back. No, the teams are so quickly, so quick to move on from those guys when they see someone who's way better or even just slightly better.

Right, And one of the adages we've shared before is that situations change, but draft capital doesn't for running backs. And so I'm looking at the data for that year. Mike twenty twenty one, he was in the fourth round, like you mentioned, one hundred and seventh overall, he was taken at the two to oh one on average in those drafts where like Trey Sermon, two is another guy who is elevated because we thought, oh, he has an opportunity. It's the forty nine ers. Well, for Jane Jalen Wattle was there. I mean there's some guy named amnro Saint Brown who went later on.

Yeah, I'm and Ra made all of us look dumb.

Yeah, I mean draft capital wise, I kind of moved on. But we'll talk about that more. With running back reaching on them, especially guys that have that Day three draft capital, it just doesn't work at all. Let's go to a sexier position this year. Let's talk about wide receivers, because there's a lot of dudes we mentioned earlier. Some mock drafts have seven or more going in the first round. And my first note here for Marvin Harrison Junior is that he was created in a lab, which.

Is cool and we're I'm fine with it.

Can I let you guys in a little inside information because.

Oh, oh, what do you got?

Okay? So I have the one on one in a one quarterback league with Jeremy.

I don't know if you oh, okay, So the Main Ballers Dynasty.

League, Main Mallers Dynasty League. I have the one on one. Now, somebody in that league tried to come after the one oh one, okay, and they gave us a post pretty uh tempting offer. Okay, they said, hey, your team doesn't have any running backs. How would you like Breise Hall for your team? For Marvin Harrison junior?

Right?

And I thought at first, okay, this is a starting of a conversation. But then this said owner begins to crap on. Hey, we're not sure the one on one will be that great. He's just a prospect. And he didn't name Marvin Harrison junior. When I know for a fact that Jason Moore is going after Marvin Harrison junior.

Well, guys, I think you know how I would feel about that. I screw them, Marb's screw them, rbs.

Man, don't do it, oh man, We're gonna talk about him so much of the next two or three months.

And so, did you make the trader?

No, no, we didn't make the trade, he said we We didn't like the way that he would not name the player. He kept saying prospect and it's not a sure thing. And I said, one of the things I hate in deals is the player you're trading for. Do not on that player. Okay, you obviously want so.

Let me tell you why this is good for you, oh man.

And I can say that right now because Jason's on a cruise ship. He's not here.

That's not even good negotiating.

Come on, man, I know he was trying. So we felt really good about where we're at in our rebuilding process, and we said, hey, we've got some good rookies. Why not get probably the best one. So Marvin Harrison Junior production profile size, I mean, NFL scouts said, hey, if he would have come out last year, he would have been the first wide receiver likely taken. So yeah, I put, I mean, would you be so excited? I mean, are you already putting in your mind he's an Arizona Cardinal.

I am trying to be careful because all the Cardinals are at four, and all the mock drafts are saying quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, But I think that's a dangerous thing to say, like quarterback, quarterback, Sure, lock that in, but a quarterback at three? It's the Patriots, right the Patriots would have to draft probably Jaden or maybe they love someone else, but it it's very possible. But this is not a guarantee. So I'm really trying to contain myself because if the Cardinals drafted Marvin Harrison Junior, the fan side of me would be so so happy.

Yes, right now, there's about five to six wide receivers that seem to be separating in the process. But once again, this is January. We're gonna get a lot of information. We're gonna get combined numbers where people move up and down. We're gonna get information says this team likes this player, which is one of my personal pet peeves in this season. It gives a team zero zero leverage to publicly say we like this player, especially if you're picking I don't know, like if you're the Chargers at five, Like, what do you.

Have to do?

There's other teams that can not only move ahead of you, you just don't publicly say I really like this player, unless you're the Bears and you can do whatever you want and put out whatever false information. So I just bets hears me say that every single year.

But yeah, it's the worst.

It's true though.

It's insane to me that a team's like, we're picking twenty eighth overall, we really like this player. Let's tell everybody, like, what do they have to gain other than throwing some some false trails, some smoke bombs.

It's that you're trying to get some other team to draft them.

Yeah, I really you're doing Malik Willis, He's really good. I wish he was on our team. Bets you got any early takes in the wide receiver class. I know you and I have watched a little bit of LSU film. We've been talking about Jane Daniels. You know, Malik Neighbors, Brian Thomas Junior, both prospects. Also you know Kayshawn Butte shows up in the film. If you're watching, you're like, oh, oh, brother.

Not a good time to mention his name, old old Bett and Booty. Oh no, man, and the guy was telling and Kyle this morning when I was watching Jane Daniels was like, man, every time I see him drop a pass, it's just a cringe because I'm like, this man just from his like headspace to like like that that drop just cost me sixty K or like whatever, you know whatever.

It was like, I just.

Oh my gosh, But watching that man like Blake Neighbors and Brian Thomas stand out immediately, especially Milk Neighbors. When you look at some of the Daniels films, so those guys look awesome. I mean Kieran coleman Is, he makes catches that when you watch him, you're like, holy crap, man, Like that was an incredible snag. These five guys that we have here on our list, I think are clearly kind of the top tier. And you could probably argue Marvin Harrison juniors and a tier of his own, and then it's kind of the group. But I do, right now, early in the process, kind of agree with what the market is saying as far as these five separating from kind of the rest of the position.

But we'll see.

There's always gonna be guys that emerge light that you get excited about, or that have better draft capital than you initially thought. But like I said, I agree right now these kind of five are the of the top of the class.

And when you look at mock drafts that people put out, like my mel kiper is gonna have a popular one that just came out, or you know in Bucky Brooks, like you'll see some of these names in the top ten. You know, Roman Dounze, you'll see Keon Coleman kind of that, you know, twenty fifth kind of slot in a lot of people's like, those things are going to change, So don't just lock in. Oh, we already know there's going to be you know, three or four guys in the top ten. You know, you just even look a couple of years ago, we were like, oh, this is a great draft class. It's like London went eighth. And then you kind of saw this run you know in the you know teens, where you got Garrett Wilson, you had a Lave, you had Jameson Williams, Trailon Burkes, like you have these other names that can move a little bit later. So don't just say this is the team that's going to be this player. But Elik neighbors everything I've seen so far. I like that he can kind of do it all, Like he could play inside, play outside. He led the NCAA in receiving yards per game this past year. So I think he's a lot of I've seen people try to give hot takes like, oh, he's gonna be better the Marvin Heerson, Like it's okay. If he's the wide receiver two in this class, it's really good. He seems like he's trending towards top ten territory. This is more of a strategy question for rookie drafts, but is it important for people drafting to just draft wide receiver over your team needs. So let's say you know, you're at the one oh eight one oh seven and you're like, man, I have three or four wide receivers that are young, the top guys are gone, and I need a running back really really, really bad. Is it kind of one of those things where you guys, I mean, Mike, you're famous for just saying screw the RBS, but where you're just gonna lean into these guys and lean into their career arcs over running backs.

For the most part, yes, if it's a Day one I mean day one. I don't think we're gonna be Day one running backs, but a Day two running back at that point, I'm definitely open to it. Draft capital is still, in my opinion, is still the strongest arrow towards excellent fantasy production. Uh so, ill you know, if you're creating a model, I have a model. Just however you do it. Draft capital is still is the heaviest input for that. But you know, if so, I guess, so, yeah, day two running back over a later first round wide receiver. I'm open to it if my team desperately needs it. But overall, I think that the your probability of hitting on the wide receiver is higher. If you do hit, your reward is tremendous because it's it is a multiple years instead of just even when a running back hits like Naji hit right, Najie Harris was a was a home run in your five running back his rookie year for fantasy, and then he wasn't. You know, It's like it just disappeared that quickly. So when a wide receiver hits, that's why I just I prefer them. And then if your wide receiver hits, your trade value for that wide receiver is now at a point where you can go get the running back that you wanted, plus a little bit extra for your time.

Living too with the wide receivers.

Real quick, Kyle, before we move on it, Mike said, if they hit, honestly, even if they don't really hit, they still have value for one more year. Yeah, because there are people that will see five hundred yards is a rookie or something in that ballpark and you're like, okay, I saw enough, Like the opportunity should be there more a year two and you can spin a story where that is the case. People did it this past year with sky Moore. We've done it with Johan Dotson. We've done it with Jerry Judy, We've done it with Trob Bateman. The list goes on and on, these round one, round two wide receivers that at least show you a little something. If you don't believe in that player after their first year, you still have an opportunity to get out. So I'm almost always trying to draft wider receivers over running backs in that kind of ambiguous situation.

If, like Kyle said, if.

You really need a running back, I get it at a certain point, but in the first round, I'm just trying to make sure I don't have a dead roster spot that I just drafted that. Truthfully, you know, it's hard to avoid with running backs. If they don't hit, you kind of know right away it's not going to happen. Where with wide receivers, people will still.

Think there's some hope.

And look, I know Quentin Johnson just had one of the worst rookie seasons we've seen in quite a while. There's still gonna be a little opportunity. I think that people will be like, hey, you know, you get hardball in here. Good things are going to happen for Herbert year or two wide receiver breakout, Like, there's going to be people in your league that I think that. So I think even for that reason, when they don't hit, you still have a little bit of trade value.

I'm pretty sure didn't he ball out against Michigan in the college football playoffs like two years ago and then he airballed against Georgia Quentin Johnson.

I think that's how it went.

Yeah, yeah, I mean there's a narrative, there's any narrative you can play for these players for I just needed to like run something in there. So Also, the last thing I'll add with wide receivers is in our production profile, there's a lot of things that we look at. We talked about dominator rating, what's the percentage share that they have of the team's receiving yards and touchdowns. Make sure like if you get the dynasty pass like that is a great tool to go through those You also have a ton of transfers. So some of our breakout years and looking at different players, there's so many different contexts of when were they good and what team were they a part of, and did they break out two years ago and what's really going on? So you can get all of that in the Dynasty pass, Like I'm looking at Xavier Worthy. He's a slot wide receiver from Texas. It's kind of like Jordan Addison. This like tall slender, you know, like, oh what is he? Is he going only to be a slot? He has the best breakout age of any wide receivers class got twelve touchdowns as a freshman, so he's getting some like late first, early second. Could he be an impact guy?

Like?

Those are the factors that you get to look at for any of those players. So uh, in our production profile, I love looking through that quickly. We're gonna run through tight end because there's one dude. And I feel pretty confident to say that there's one dude because h okay, you sure you got another dude? Uh No, Jtavian Sanders.

I'm even more of like, but is there one? Is there even one dude?

I okay, So I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna name my bias as a George boy here. Brock Bauers is from another planet production wise, at Georgia. He's he's sure he's not normal. The thing that also is going against brock Bawers and I've been watching him from your like he doesn't like his face. The way he looks doesn't look like some dominant NFL He's got a face problem. He just doesn't look doesn't look the part of NFL athlete. He looks like a guy that played on your flag football team.

Gotta adjust the model?

Is that?

Is that in the dynasty past?

Kyle?

Do we have a metric for that?

Face for facey face model. I didn't say he's ugly. I just said that he doesn't look like a dominant NFL athlete.

Okay, well you are, so I'm looking yet face. I don't know, take it or leave it. But the part for me, that is why I'm at least putting the question out there, is he's not built like a dominant NFL tight end. We just saw over the weekend George kittle manhandle Aiden Hutchinson on a play like took Hutchinson to the ground with no problem. Brock Bowers, We'll see what he weighs in at the combine, but I've seen him listed in about the like the two thirties, right.

That's much lower for the prototypical.

Yeah, that's that's about twenty pounds. Ler. This isn't a guy. Maybe he gets into the two forties and we can get rid of that. But I mean, if he's measuring in at the two thirties for the NFL combine, unless your offensive coordinator and team has a very specific offensive vision for this player, I mean, you can't use him as a traditional tight end at two thirty. He'll get annihilated.

Correct. Yeah, And and the way that Georgia used him was obviously different. He was their wide receiver one. So yeah, Betts springs up. He's very similar to daloncin Caid, where when you look at Duncan Kid, they ran two tight ends. Dawson Knox got to do a lot of the dirty work.

But I've seen min Yeah, yes, so Dalkin kid quick waight check at about two forty. So yeah, that's but that's what I mean that we were so excited for Dalkin Kaid because of Oh, that he could become like their number one passing weapon. It's pretty rare to see that type of a thing. So that's that's what we'll have to watch for for uh, for Bowers, Like, what is the actual opportunity?

Yes it I've seen him go as high as five in mock drafts already to the Chargers, and his kind of spot that he's landing is somewhere in that top ten. So if he gets top ten is.

If he goes to the Chargers, the Vernon Davis talking is going to be nauseating.

Oh just going to copy and paste from what they did in San Francisco.

Yeah, yep, yeah, I do.

You guys have any early opinions at the last little thought on the show, but like, I have no idea where to appropriately draft player the tight ends that are drafted this early in the top ten. Like, you know, we didn't have to take Laporta there, Kinkaid you were taking you know eight, they're later in the rookie draft. But if a player is going this early, you're like, oh, well I have to like look where we took Kyle Pitts that year. It's it feels like you're almost backed into a corner from Draft Capital. Where we've kind of talked about our tight end strategy is to kind of slow it down. Wait, we know they're going to take a couple of years. So any early take bets on Bowers And because I mean I had someone the other day that said, hey, I have the one oh three, do you think I should take Bowers there, I don't have a tight end. I was like, there's no way I'd take a tight end that early.

Yeah, I think this past season when we had Laporta, Kincaid and a bunch of the other rookies like at least flash in not just a really good way, but for similar porta an elite way, it might kind of skew. I think this year how we view boers where it's like, oh, we just had these rookies do it last year, Like, certainly he can do it, but we have a lot of guys that have first round NFL draft capital at the tight end position that really hadn't done it yet for fantasy. I mean, look at a guy like David and Joku, like it literally has taken like six years to be what he is right now. So yeah, I certainly I probably won't be able to get there as a top three, top four, top five pick in rookie drafts because I do think the wide receivers are that strong this year, and if you're talking super flex almost definitely not with the quarterbacks that we've got. So I mean early take back on the first round feels kind of right for me and really that's because I think the running back class is so weak quite frankly, so that's where I would slot him early in the process. But again, there's a lot more that needs to happen before we have a final take on that.

Yeah, my early take is if I have a late first round pick, I'm ecstatic that Bowers is in the draft. That people at the one to oho in the Kincaid range from last year, at the one oh seven through one oh nine, they're gonna be shaky and sweaty of how do I not take this player? And I will say, please do it and drop a wide receiver one slot down that maybe goes to me.

Yes, I like, I have a couple of teams where we have a couple of first round picks. I'm like, oh, that would feels like a premium. If I've already got my wide receivers, I can just take Bowers at the you know, back of the first or whatever. But we still there's a lot we don't know, Like Bowers could be a player that we talk about now is like, oh, he's probably going top ten, and then look up later it's like, oh, he's kind of going top fifteen. So the consensus changes from whatever you know right now in January. If you listen back to this episode, you go, you guys were so right. You guys were dead on, so smart and being vague about what you don't know because.

I don't Yeah, I don't know.

That's the way to do it.

Yeah. So we're gonna be talking more about these prospects over the next month. I mean, we're grinding the tape. Boys, We are fully in. So we're glad you're with us, and we'll get to do that more and more on The Footballers Dynasty Podcast. We'll see you again next week and Jason will be back.

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