Jenny (Goncher) Embrey has been kicked out of tent revivals, blocked from churches, and flooded with messages from men telling her women cannot minister. She keeps going anyway, because Jesus told her to.

In this episode, Leah and Malaine sit down with Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey, founder of Women of Armor, to talk about what the modern church refuses to make room for: women in deliverance ministry, the reality of touching heaven, and what obedience actually costs when you walk in the supernatural. Jenny shares three encounters with heaven, including a near-death experience verified in the spirit, and makes the case that revival cannot take full footing without two things the Standard American Church keeps sidelining: women preaching and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

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Together they walk through what it looks like to operate in spiritual warfare daily, how generational curses and soul ties open doors to demonic oppression, and why obedience to the Holy Spirit is itself a form of deliverance. Jenny's ministry has performed over 3,000 hours of deliverance, healing, and discipleship in four years, and that number keeps growing because set-free women keep telling other women where to find freedom.

"Revival will not take full footing unless two critical elements are fully engaged: women preaching and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Because those are the two things that were in the Holy Fire of the Spirit of the early church."

-Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey

Key Takeaways

• Jenny's most fringe belief is that you can touch heaven, and she has experienced it: a mother's love transferred through an open vision, a message from a woman who had passed decades ago, and a near-death encounter verified by the young woman who lived it.
• Revival will not come in fullness without two things the modern church keeps resisting: women operating in ministry and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ.
• The Standard American Church is dead, meaning it is not walking in the Spirit of God but operating from religious structure, fear of man, and institutional control.
• Deliverance is not a one-time event. It is a daily posture of surrender, obedience, and deeper levels of freedom in Christ.
• The enemy's legal rights often come through soul ties and generational curses that believers think they have already broken but have not fully renounced.
• Obedience is the safest place a believer can be, and it is itself a form of deliverance. When you obey what makes no sense to your flesh, strongholds break.
• Women of Armor operates from Ephesians 6 and Romans 13:12, putting on both the full armor of God and the armor of light, and walking in a constant state of deliverance as ministers.
• The Spirit of Wisdom is available to every believer. Call on her. She belongs to you and the deliverance that comes by her is some of the most powerful there is.

Featured Scripture

1 Corinthians 2:13

"And we speak about these things, not with words taught us by human wisdom, but with words taught us by the Spirit, explaining spiritual truths to spiritual people."

Application: This verse is the operating system of everything Jenny describes. Touching heaven, open visions, the transfer of a mother's love from beyond the veil, deliverance from demonic oppression, none of it makes sense to human wisdom. It was never supposed to. The Spirit teaches spiritual things to spiritual people, and the moment we demand that every encounter pass through the grid of religious logic before we accept it, we have placed human wisdom above the Holy Spirit. The supernatural ministry of Jesus Christ did not operate by committee approval. It operated by the Spirit. And that is what Women of Armor, and this entire episode, calls the body of Christ back into.

Timestamps

0:02 – Welcome to Faith on the Fringe
0:48 – Meet Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey
1:20 – Jenny's most fringe belief: touching heaven
3:39 – Open vision: a mother's love transferred
8:32 – "Do not give up on him" - heaven speaks
10:33 – Near-death experience verified in the spirit
15:23 – Deliverance ministry isn't weird. Bondage is.
19:01 – Women of Armor: how the ministry began
21:41 – Women in ministry and the revival block
28:46 – The church's resistance to deliverance
36:06 – Obedience over reputation
41:17 – The Standard American Church is dead
48:02 – Obedience is deliverance - daily

Resources and Connect

Jenny Embrey:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher

Faith on the Fringe:

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Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

The Spirit of Wisdom. Referenced from Proverbs and the Wisdom of Solomon (a book removed from the Protestant canon). Jenny describes calling on the Spirit of Wisdom in prayer as a powerful component of deliverance ministry.

The Wisdom of Solomon. One of the deuterocanonical books removed during the Protestant Reformation. Discussed in this episode as a beautiful text that reveals the person and function of Wisdom as a spirit believers can call upon.

Scriptures for Further Study

1 Corinthians 2:13. Paul explains that spiritual truths are communicated by the Spirit to spiritual people, not taught by human wisdom.

Romans 8:14. The true children of God are those who let the Spirit of God lead them.

Ephesians 6:10-18. The full armor of God. The foundation scripture for Women of Armor ministry.

Romans 13:12. Put on the armor of light and cast off the works of darkness. The second foundation for Women of Armor.

John 16:13. When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth and tell you what is to come.

Galatians 5:18. If the Spirit is leading you, you are not under the law.

John 14:26. The Father sends the Holy Spirit as Advocate, teacher, and reminder of everything Jesus said.

James 1:5. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach.

Proverbs 25:2. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the honor of kings to search it out.

Daniel 10. Daniel's 21-day fast, the angel Gabriel's arrival, the war in the second heaven, and the revelation of what believers are fighting and the power they stand in.

Matthew 6:33. Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

If you have been told that deliverance is not for today, that women can't minister, that the supernatural ended with the apostles, or that your experiences with the Holy Spirit are too much, too wild, or too fringe, take it to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask Him directly. The Spirit of God is not threatened by your hunger, your questions, or your willingness to go where the religious system refuses to follow.

Jesus was the first liberator of women. He was the first full deliverer. And His ministry did not end at the cross. It was finished at the cross so that you could walk in it.

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