The Man Behind Human Design

We Were Human Design Practitioners

Deep Dive into Human Design

Why Prophetic People Are Drawn to It

Downloads and the Golden Codex

When Christian Clients Got Upset 

The Ra Uru Hu Origin Story

Inside a Human Design Body Graph 

Divination and Deuteronomy 18

The Voice That Spoke to Ra Uru Hu

The Quiet Gospel of the New Age

Prayer to Renounce Human Design

Human Design was channeled from a non-human voice over eight days in 1987.

Leah and Malaine were both deep in Human Design. They built platforms around it, had spiritual entities feeding them information beyond what any chart could show, and walked away from all of it. In this episode, they reveal the origin story most practitioners were never taught: a man named Alan Robert Krakower contacted by a disembodied voice on the island of Ibiza, eight days and nights of continuous transmission, and a name change to Ra Uru Hu, a demigod from the kingdom of darkness.

They break down the four ancient systems stacked underneath every body graph (astrology, the Hindu chakra system, the I Ching, and the Kabbalistic Tree of Life), walk through Deuteronomy 18 and 1 John 4:1, and close with a prayer of repentance and renunciation for anyone ready to put the chart down and pick up Psalm 139.

JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb

"I don't need a chart to tell me who I am. Psalm 139 says that God formed your innermost being. He knit you together in your mother's womb. And he tells you that you are fearfully and wonderfully made."

-Leah Steele Barnett

Key Takeaways
Why two former Human Design practitioners who built their platforms around it walked away from the entire system after encountering Jesus.
What actually happened in January 1987 when a non-human voice contacted Alan Robert Krakower for eight days straight and gave him the Human Design system.
How the 64 gates on every Human Design chart map directly to the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching, an ancient Chinese divination oracle that Deuteronomy 18 calls detestable to the Lord.
Why prophetic people are especially drawn to these systems and how the kingdom of darkness uses accuracy as the bait for obsession.
What the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, the Hindu chakra system, and Western occult orders have to do with the body graph sitting in your phone right now.
Why Gene Keys is the same ancient technology in softer language and how it leads to the same place.

Featured Scripture

1 John 4:1

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Application: A non-human voice dictated a system for eight days. The man who received it changed his name to a demigod. The system runs on a divination oracle, a mystical map of God you cannot reach, and the planetary machinery of astrology. And believers all over the world have their chart saved in their phone and have never once tested the spirit behind it. John tells us to test every spirit. That includes the one behind a system that feels helpful, delivers accurate information, and answers the deepest question of your identity.

Timestamps


00:48 — The Man Behind Human Design 
02:24 — We Were Human Design Practitioners 
03:35 — Deep Dive into Human Design 
06:31 — Why Prophetic People Are Drawn to It 
08:54 — Downloads and the Golden Codex 
11:19 — When Christian Clients Got Upset 
16:32 — The Ra Uru Hu Origin Story 
21:08 — Inside a Human Design Body Graph 
42:57 — Divination and Deuteronomy 18 
01:01:40 — The Voice That Spoke to Ra Uru Hu 
01:07:22 — The Quiet Gospel of the New Age 
01:14:18 — Prayer to Renounce Human Design

Resources and Connect

Malaine's Reconsciliation and Renunciation prayer from the episode -https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TtALLw_QFUOnPvxl3d9oECAaQQ-VmZEHiXwwrDH739k/edit?usp=sharing

Bride Ministries: Freedom from the Kabbalistic Tree Prayer - https://deliverance.bridemovement.com/freedom-from-the-kabbalah-tree/

Bride Ministries: Exposing Kabbalah Series -https://youtu.be/ADArguwLbeY?si=t170W7dmuwwvdjPQ

Troy Brewer, "Looking Up":https://amzn.to/4uZy81o

Supernatural Bible Sessions (Monthly Bible Study): Leah announced a new monthly Bible study co-hosted with Jenny Embrey. Third Thursday of each month. 
Register Here - https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/5OrJ9VeCSdehjg3Uaxw4hA
Join the Facebook Group Here - www.facebook.com/groups/supernaturalbible/

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Ra Uru Hu (Alan Robert Krakower). A Canadian-born man living on the island of Ibiza who, in January 1987, reported being contacted by a non-human intelligence he called "the Voice." The transmission lasted eight continuous days and nights. From it, he synthesized the Human Design system by stacking four existing frameworks: Western astrology, the Hindu chakra system, the I Ching, and the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. He subsequently changed his name to Ra Uru Hu. Ra is the name of an ancient demigod associated with sun worship in the kingdom of darkness.

The I Ching (Yi Jing). An ancient Chinese divination manual, the Book of Changes, and one of the oldest texts still in daily use. Its 64 hexagrams, built from combinations of solid (yang) and broken (yin) lines, each carry an oracle text. The 64 gates on every Human Design chart map directly to these 64 hexagrams. Historically, practitioners cast yarrow stalks or coins to land on a hexagram by chance, a practice that functionally constitutes casting lots for supernatural guidance.

The Zohar and Kabbalah. The primary text of Kabbalistic mysticism, credited to a second-century rabbi but traced by scholars to Moses de Leon in 13th-century Spain. The Kabbalistic Tree of Life with its ten Sephiroth and connecting paths is the direct architectural ancestor of the Human Design body graph. Western occult orders (including the Golden Dawn) later stripped the Jewish devotion from Kabbalah, retained the machinery, and mapped it onto Tarot and ceremonial magic. That lineage leads to Aleister Crowley and filters down through esoteric teaching into modern new age systems.

Scriptures for Further Study

Deuteronomy 18:10-12. God lists divination, fortune-telling, spell-casting, and consulting spirits as detestable. The Hebrew here draws a hard line. The 64 hexagrams of the I Ching, a divination oracle, sit in the gates of every Human Design chart ever generated.

1 John 4:1. Test the spirits to see whether they are from God. A non-human voice that dictates a system for eight days, builds it on divination, and leads people into identity displacement outside of Christ requires testing.

Acts 16:16-18. The girl at Philippi had a Python spirit and spoke accurate information about Paul. Paul cast it out because accuracy from the wrong source is still counterfeit. Human Design readings can be accurate because the technology works. The source is still defiled.

Genesis 3:1-5. The serpent in the garden: "Did God really say?" The same voice that promised Eve hidden knowledge she could access outside of God's timing is the same voice behind every system that promises to tell you who you are apart from your Creator.

Psalm 139:13-14. God formed your innermost being and knit you together in your mother's womb. You are fearfully and wonderfully made. The identity question that every personality system attempts to answer already has an Author, and He wrote the answer before you were born.

Jeremiah 29:11. God already has plans to prosper and give you a future and a hope. He has destiny books written for you. The blueprint for your life was authored by the one who made you, and it requires relationship with Him to access.

Ecclesiastes 1:9. Nothing new under the sun. The Human Design system synthesized four existing ancient technologies. The enemy recycles architecture, redecorates, and calls it new. The scheme from the garden is the same scheme behind every system that promises hidden knowledge outside of God.

Ephesians 6:12. We wrestle against principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness. The spiritual entities that steered both Leah and Malaine deeper into these systems were real. They operated from the kingdom of darkness. And they required deliverance to be removed.

If you still have your Human Design chart saved in your phone, if you know your type faster than you know your own phone number, and something in this episode stirred conviction in your spirit, today is the day. Malaine prayed a prayer of repentance and renunciation at the end of this episode. Go back and listen to it. Come into agreement. And then delete the chart, close the tab, and pick up Psalm 139 instead. The one who knit you together already wrote who you are. You just have to ask Him.

Subscribe to our Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for the expanded teaching, the renunciation prayer, and deeper dives into the systems we walked away from.



#FaithOnTheFringe #HumanDesign #GeneKeys #NewAgeToJesus #Kabbalah #SpiritualWarfare #SupernaturalBiblicalTheology #KingdomTheology

Human Design was channeled from a non-human voice over eight days in 1987.
Leah and Malaine were both deep in Human Design. They built platforms around it, had spiritual entities feeding them information beyond what any chart could show, and walked away from all of it. In this episode, they reveal the origin story most practitioners were never taught: a man named Alan Robert Krakower contacted by a disembodied voice on the island of Ibiza, eight days and nights of continuous transmission, and a name change to Ra Uru Hu, a demigod from the kingdom of darkness.
They break down the four ancient systems stacked underneath every body graph (astrology, the Hindu chakra system, the I Ching, and the Kabbalistic Tree of Life), walk through Deuteronomy 18 and 1 John 4:1, and close with a prayer of repentance and renunciation for anyone ready to put the chart down and pick up Psalm 139.
JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb">https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb</a>
<blockquote>
"I don't need a chart to tell me who I am. Psalm 139 says that God formed your innermost being. He knit you together in your mother's womb. And he tells you that you are fearfully and wonderfully made."
-Leah Steele Barnett
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li>Why two former Human Design practitioners who built their platforms around it walked away from the entire system after encountering Jesus.</li>
<li>What actually happened in January 1987 when a non-human voice contacted Alan Robert Krakower for eight days straight and gave him the Human Design system.</li>
<li>How the 64 gates on every Human Design chart map directly to the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching, an ancient Chinese divination oracle that Deuteronomy 18 calls detestable to the Lord.</li>
<li>Why prophetic people are especially drawn to these systems and how the kingdom of darkness uses accuracy as the bait for obsession.</li>
<li>What the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, the Hindu chakra system, and Western occult orders have to do with the body graph sitting in your phone right now.</li>
<li>Why Gene Keys is the same ancient technology in softer language and how it leads to the same place.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
1 John 4:1
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
</blockquote>
Application: A non-human voice dictated a system for eight days. The man who received it changed his name to a demigod. The system runs on a divination oracle, a mystical map of God you cannot reach, and the planetary machinery of astrology. And believers all over the world have their chart saved in their phone and have never once tested the spirit behind it. John tells us to test every spirit. That includes the one behind a system that feels helpful, delivers accurate information, and answers the deepest question of your identity.
Timestamps 
00:48 &mdash; The Man Behind Human Design 02:24 &mdash; We Were Human Design Practitioners 03:35 &mdash; Deep Dive into Human Design 06:31 &mdash; Why Prophetic People Are Drawn to It 08:54 &mdash; Downloads and the Golden Codex 11:19 &mdash; When Christian Clients Got Upset 16:32 &mdash; The Ra Uru Hu Origin Story 21:08 &mdash; Inside a Human Design Body Graph 42:57 &mdash; Divination and Deuteronomy 18 01:01:40 &mdash; The Voice That Spoke to Ra Uru Hu 01:07:22 &mdash; The Quiet Gospel of the New Age 01:14:18 &mdash; Prayer to Renounce Human Design
Resources and Connect
Malaine's Reconsciliation and Renunciation prayer from the episode - <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TtALLw_QFUOnPvxl3d9oECAaQQ-VmZEHiXwwrDH739k/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TtALLw_QFUOnPvxl3d9oECAaQQ-VmZEHiXwwrDH739k/edit?usp=sharing</a> Bride Ministries: Freedom from the Kabbalistic Tree Prayer - <a href="https://deliverance.bridemovement.com/freedom-from-the-kabbalah-tree/">https://deliverance.bridemovement.com/freedom-from-the-kabbalah-tree/</a>
Bride Ministries: Exposing Kabbalah Series - <a href="https://youtu.be/ADArguwLbeY?si=t170W7dmuwwvdjPQ">https://youtu.be/ADArguwLbeY?si=t170W7dmuwwvdjPQ</a>
Troy Brewer, "Looking Up": <a href="https://amzn.to/4uZy81o">https://amzn.to/4uZy81o</a>
Supernatural Bible Sessions (Monthly Bible Study): Leah announced a new monthly Bible study co-hosted with Jenny Embrey. Third Thursday of each month. Register Here - <a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/5OrJ9VeCSdehjg3Uaxw4hA">https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/5OrJ9VeCSdehjg3Uaxw4hA</a> Join the Facebook Group Here - <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/supernaturalbible">www.facebook.com/groups/supernaturalbible/</a>
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Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett">https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Ra Uru Hu (Alan Robert Krakower). A Canadian-born man living on the island of Ibiza who, in January 1987, reported being contacted by a non-human intelligence he called "the Voice." The transmission lasted eight continuous days and nights. From it, he synthesized the Human Design system by stacking four existing frameworks: Western astrology, the Hindu chakra system, the I Ching, and the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. He subsequently changed his name to Ra Uru Hu. Ra is the name of an ancient demigod associated with sun worship in the kingdom of darkness.
The I Ching (Yi Jing). An ancient Chinese divination manual, the Book of Changes, and one of the oldest texts still in daily use. Its 64 hexagrams, built from combinations of solid (yang) and broken (yin) lines, each carry an oracle text. The 64 gates on every Human Design chart map directly to these 64 hexagrams. Historically, practitioners cast yarrow stalks or coins to land on a hexagram by chance, a practice that functionally constitutes casting lots for supernatural guidance.
The Zohar and Kabbalah. The primary text of Kabbalistic mysticism, credited to a second-century rabbi but traced by scholars to Moses de Leon in 13th-century Spain. The Kabbalistic Tree of Life with its ten Sephiroth and connecting paths is the direct architectural ancestor of the Human Design body graph. Western occult orders (including the Golden Dawn) later stripped the Jewish devotion from Kabbalah, retained the machinery, and mapped it onto Tarot and ceremonial magic. That lineage leads to Aleister Crowley and filters down through esoteric teaching into modern new age systems.
Scriptures for Further Study
Deuteronomy 18:10-12. God lists divination, fortune-telling, spell-casting, and consulting spirits as detestable. The Hebrew here draws a hard line. The 64 hexagrams of the I Ching, a divination oracle, sit in the gates of every Human Design chart ever generated.
1 John 4:1. Test the spirits to see whether they are from God. A non-human voice that dictates a system for eight days, builds it on divination, and leads people into identity displacement outside of Christ requires testing.
Acts 16:16-18. The girl at Philippi had a Python spirit and spoke accurate information about Paul. Paul cast it out because accuracy from the wrong source is still counterfeit. Human Design readings can be accurate because the technology works. The source is still defiled.
Genesis 3:1-5. The serpent in the garden: "Did God really say?" The same voice that promised Eve hidden knowledge she could access outside of God's timing is the same voice behind every system that promises to tell you who you are apart from your Creator.
Psalm 139:13-14. God formed your innermost being and knit you together in your mother's womb. You are fearfully and wonderfully made. The identity question that every personality system attempts to answer already has an Author, and He wrote the answer before you were born.
Jeremiah 29:11. God already has plans to prosper and give you a future and a hope. He has destiny books written for you. The blueprint for your life was authored by the one who made you, and it requires relationship with Him to access.
Ecclesiastes 1:9. Nothing new under the sun. The Human Design system synthesized four existing ancient technologies. The enemy recycles architecture, redecorates, and calls it new. The scheme from the garden is the same scheme behind every system that promises hidden knowledge outside of God.
Ephesians 6:12. We wrestle against principalities, powers, and rulers of darkness. The spiritual entities that steered both Leah and Malaine deeper into these systems were real. They operated from the kingdom of darkness. And they required deliverance to be removed.
If you still have your Human Design chart saved in your phone, if you know your type faster than you know your own phone number, and something in this episode stirred conviction in your spirit, today is the day. Malaine prayed a prayer of repentance and renunciation at the end of this episode. Go back and listen to it. Come into agreement. And then delete the chart, close the tab, and pick up Psalm 139 instead. The one who knit you together already wrote who you are. You just have to ask Him.
Subscribe to our Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for the expanded teaching, the renunciation prayer, and deeper dives into the systems we walked away from.
 #FaithOnTheFringe #HumanDesign #GeneKeys #NewAgeToJesus #Kabbalah #SpiritualWarfare #SupernaturalBiblicalTheology #KingdomTheology

The Voice Behind Human Design Is Not What You Think

Welcome to Faith on the Fringe

Introducing Jenny Embrey, first return guest

Jezebel spirit - principality not the person

Deliverance from Jezebel and Ahab 

Rev 2: what Jesus says - Tolerating Jezebel

Feminism, emasculation, the cultural gateway

Dealing with Jezebel spirit in relationships

John 10: Jesus is the door to freedom

Jesus held it against an entire church because they tolerated this spirit. And the body of Christ is still tolerating it today.

In this episode, Leah, Malaine, and returning guest Apostle Jenny Embrey go deep into the Jezebel spirit: how it shows up in leadership, in relationships, and across entire generations. They unpack what happened when Malaine was personally delivered from this spirit, what Jesus actually says about it in Revelation 2, and why the Ahab spirit that enables Jezebel is just as dangerous as the one it serves. From the cultural pipeline that opened the door for Jezebel to operate at a societal level to the Hebrew and Greek roots of these principalities, this conversation names what most churches refuse to touch.

Leah traces the line from feminism to emasculation to the degenderizing movement and shows how the Jezebel playbook from 1 Kings is repeating in real time. Jenny brings Revelation 2:18-23 to the table and reads what Jesus himself says about the church that tolerates this spirit. And Malaine walks you through what to actually do when you are in relationship with someone operating under this principality, including the boundaries most believers have been told are un-Christlike.

JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb

"This spirit wants to dismantle anything pure. And it will stop at nothing unless it is dealt with."

-Apostle Jenny Embrey

Key Takeaways
Why the Jezebel spirit functions as a gatekeeping principality that opens the door for higher-ranking demons to flood in behind it.
What actually happened when Malaine was delivered from the Jezebel spirit and how her husband was delivered from the Ahab spirit months later.
What Jesus says directly to the church in Revelation 2:18-23 about tolerating this spirit and why he calls it "the deep things of Satan."
How feminism functioned as the cultural gateway for the Jezebel spirit to operate at a generational and societal level.
Why the Ahab spirit is just as sinister as Jezebel and what the emasculation of an entire generation of men has to do with it.
How to identify this spirit in your own life, your relationships, and your church, and the practical steps to navigate it without trying to fight it in your own strength.

Featured Scripture

Revelation 2:20

"I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads my bondservants astray so that they commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols."

Application: Jesus is speaking directly to the church here, and he holds it against them. The church at Thyatira was doing good deeds, walking in love and faith and service. And Jesus still held it against them because they tolerated this spirit. He threatens to throw her on a bed of sickness, kill her children with plague, and bring great tribulation on everyone who comes into agreement with her deeds. Tolerating the Jezebel spirit has never been compassion. It has always been rebellion. The call for the believer is to stop tolerating the spirit: in your home, in your church, and in your own life.

Timestamps

0:00 — Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 
0:48 — Introducing Jenny Embrey, first return guest 
8:13 — The Jezebel spirit: not the person, the principality 
10:33 — Deliverance from Jezebel and Ahab 
19:31 — Revelation 2: what Jesus says about tolerating Jezebel 
31:06 — Feminism, emasculation, and the cultural gateway 
47:18 — How to deal with the Jezebel spirit in relationships 
1:03:24 — John 10: Jesus is the door to freedom

Resources and Connect

The Deliverance Institute For Women

https://thedeliveranceinstitute.com/

Bride Ministries: Freedom from Fallen Heavenly Powers Prayer: https://deliverance.bridemovement.com/freedom-from-fallen-heavenly-powers/

Jenny Embrey:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Queen Jezebel. A Phoenician princess who married King Ahab of the northern kingdom of Israel in the ninth century BC. She did not assimilate into Israel's covenant but instead established state-sponsored idolatry, placing 850 false prophets of Baal and Asherah on the royal payroll while hunting down and killing the prophets of Yahweh. She weaponized legal and religious systems against righteous people, fabricated charges, and seized land through murder. Her death was prophesied: she was thrown from a window by her own eunuchs, trampled by horses, and devoured by dogs until nothing remained but her skull, her feet, and the palms of her hands. The spirit that operated through her continues to function as a gatekeeping principality that opens the door for higher-ranking demonic powers to enter.

The Ahab Spirit. The counterpart to the Jezebel spirit, operating through passivity, abdication of authority, and emasculation. In the biblical narrative, Ahab was king but Jezebel functioned as both queen and king because he refused to step into his God-given role. When Elijah confronted Ahab, Ahab called Elijah "the troubler of Israel." Elijah responded that it was Ahab and his father's house who troubled Israel because they abdicated their role as men of God. The Ahab spirit enables the Jezebel spirit to thrive by refusing to confront it.

Scriptures for Further Study

1 Kings 16:29-33. The introduction of Ahab as king of Israel and his marriage to Jezebel. Ahab did more evil in the sight of the Lord than all who were before him, and Jezebel's influence brought Baal worship into the heart of Israel.

1 Kings 18:17-18. Ahab calls Elijah the troubler of Israel. Elijah responds that Ahab and his father's house are the troublers because they forsook the commandments of the Lord and followed the Baals.

2 Kings 9:30-37. The death of Jezebel as prophesied. Jehu commands her eunuchs to throw her from the window. When they return to bury her, only her skull, her feet, and the palms of her hands remain.

Revelation 2:18-23. Jesus addresses the church at Thyatira. He commends their deeds but holds it against them that they tolerate the woman Jezebel. He threatens to throw her on a bed of sickness and kill her children with plague so that all the churches will know he searches minds and hearts.

Revelation 2:24. Jesus calls the teachings of this spirit "the deep things of Satan." Reserved for the most dangerous category of deception.

John 10:7-10. Jesus declares he is the door of the sheep. The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. He came that they would have life and have it abundantly. The only door to freedom from every spirit.

Luke 10:19. Jesus gives his disciples authority to trample on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy. The authority to overcome belongs to Jesus alone, delegated to those who are submitted to him.

Ephesians 6:12. We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Psalm 91. The shelter of the Most High. The promise of protection for those who dwell in the secret place. Referenced as a first-line prayer for anyone navigating the Jezebel spirit.

If you listened to this episode and recognized this spirit in your own life, do not let the conviction pass. Today is the day. Submit yourself to Jesus, repent for anything known or unknown that has allowed you to partner with this spirit, and then set the boundary you have been avoiding. Tolerating this spirit is exactly what Jesus held against the church. Go read Revelation 2:18-23 until the weight of it settles. Then take it to the Lord and ask him to fight the battle for you.

Subscribe to our Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for expanded teaching, community conversation, and further resources on navigating this spirit in your relationships, your church, and your bloodline.



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Jesus held it against an entire church because they tolerated this spirit. And the body of Christ is still tolerating it today.
In this episode, Leah, Malaine, and returning guest Apostle Jenny Embrey go deep into the Jezebel spirit: how it shows up in leadership, in relationships, and across entire generations. They unpack what happened when Malaine was personally delivered from this spirit, what Jesus actually says about it in Revelation 2, and why the Ahab spirit that enables Jezebel is just as dangerous as the one it serves. From the cultural pipeline that opened the door for Jezebel to operate at a societal level to the Hebrew and Greek roots of these principalities, this conversation names what most churches refuse to touch.
Leah traces the line from feminism to emasculation to the degenderizing movement and shows how the Jezebel playbook from 1 Kings is repeating in real time. Jenny brings Revelation 2:18-23 to the table and reads what Jesus himself says about the church that tolerates this spirit. And Malaine walks you through what to actually do when you are in relationship with someone operating under this principality, including the boundaries most believers have been told are un-Christlike.
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<blockquote>
"This spirit wants to dismantle anything pure. And it will stop at nothing unless it is dealt with."
-Apostle Jenny Embrey
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li>Why the Jezebel spirit functions as a gatekeeping principality that opens the door for higher-ranking demons to flood in behind it.</li>
<li>What actually happened when Malaine was delivered from the Jezebel spirit and how her husband was delivered from the Ahab spirit months later.</li>
<li>What Jesus says directly to the church in Revelation 2:18-23 about tolerating this spirit and why he calls it "the deep things of Satan."</li>
<li>How feminism functioned as the cultural gateway for the Jezebel spirit to operate at a generational and societal level.</li>
<li>Why the Ahab spirit is just as sinister as Jezebel and what the emasculation of an entire generation of men has to do with it.</li>
<li>How to identify this spirit in your own life, your relationships, and your church, and the practical steps to navigate it without trying to fight it in your own strength.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
Revelation 2:20
"I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads my bondservants astray so that they commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols."
</blockquote>
Application: Jesus is speaking directly to the church here, and he holds it against them. The church at Thyatira was doing good deeds, walking in love and faith and service. And Jesus still held it against them because they tolerated this spirit. He threatens to throw her on a bed of sickness, kill her children with plague, and bring great tribulation on everyone who comes into agreement with her deeds. Tolerating the Jezebel spirit has never been compassion. It has always been rebellion. The call for the believer is to stop tolerating the spirit: in your home, in your church, and in your own life.
Timestamps
0:00 &mdash; Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 0:48 &mdash; Introducing Jenny Embrey, first return guest 8:13 &mdash; The Jezebel spirit: not the person, the principality 10:33 &mdash; Deliverance from Jezebel and Ahab&nbsp; 19:31 &mdash; Revelation 2: what Jesus says about tolerating Jezebel 31:06 &mdash; Feminism, emasculation, and the cultural gateway 47:18 &mdash; How to deal with the Jezebel spirit in relationships 1:03:24 &mdash; John 10: Jesus is the door to freedom
Resources and Connect
The Deliverance Institute For Women
<a href="https://thedeliveranceinstitute.com/">https://thedeliveranceinstitute.com/</a>
Bride Ministries: Freedom from Fallen Heavenly Powers Prayer: <a href="https://deliverance.bridemovement.com/freedom-from-fallen-heavenly-powers/">https://deliverance.bridemovement.com/freedom-from-fallen-heavenly-powers/</a>
Jenny Embrey:
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey">https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher">https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher">https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher</a>
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a href="mailto:help@faithonthefringepodcast.com">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett">https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Queen Jezebel. A Phoenician princess who married King Ahab of the northern kingdom of Israel in the ninth century BC. She did not assimilate into Israel's covenant but instead established state-sponsored idolatry, placing 850 false prophets of Baal and Asherah on the royal payroll while hunting down and killing the prophets of Yahweh. She weaponized legal and religious systems against righteous people, fabricated charges, and seized land through murder. Her death was prophesied: she was thrown from a window by her own eunuchs, trampled by horses, and devoured by dogs until nothing remained but her skull, her feet, and the palms of her hands. The spirit that operated through her continues to function as a gatekeeping principality that opens the door for higher-ranking demonic powers to enter.
The Ahab Spirit. The counterpart to the Jezebel spirit, operating through passivity, abdication of authority, and emasculation. In the biblical narrative, Ahab was king but Jezebel functioned as both queen and king because he refused to step into his God-given role. When Elijah confronted Ahab, Ahab called Elijah "the troubler of Israel." Elijah responded that it was Ahab and his father's house who troubled Israel because they abdicated their role as men of God. The Ahab spirit enables the Jezebel spirit to thrive by refusing to confront it.
Scriptures for Further Study
1 Kings 16:29-33. The introduction of Ahab as king of Israel and his marriage to Jezebel. Ahab did more evil in the sight of the Lord than all who were before him, and Jezebel's influence brought Baal worship into the heart of Israel.
1 Kings 18:17-18. Ahab calls Elijah the troubler of Israel. Elijah responds that Ahab and his father's house are the troublers because they forsook the commandments of the Lord and followed the Baals.
2 Kings 9:30-37. The death of Jezebel as prophesied. Jehu commands her eunuchs to throw her from the window. When they return to bury her, only her skull, her feet, and the palms of her hands remain.
Revelation 2:18-23. Jesus addresses the church at Thyatira. He commends their deeds but holds it against them that they tolerate the woman Jezebel. He threatens to throw her on a bed of sickness and kill her children with plague so that all the churches will know he searches minds and hearts.
Revelation 2:24. Jesus calls the teachings of this spirit "the deep things of Satan." Reserved for the most dangerous category of deception.
John 10:7-10. Jesus declares he is the door of the sheep. The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. He came that they would have life and have it abundantly. The only door to freedom from every spirit.
Luke 10:19. Jesus gives his disciples authority to trample on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy. The authority to overcome belongs to Jesus alone, delegated to those who are submitted to him.
Ephesians 6:12. We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 91. The shelter of the Most High. The promise of protection for those who dwell in the secret place. Referenced as a first-line prayer for anyone navigating the Jezebel spirit.
If you listened to this episode and recognized this spirit in your own life, do not let the conviction pass. Today is the day. Submit yourself to Jesus, repent for anything known or unknown that has allowed you to partner with this spirit, and then set the boundary you have been avoiding. Tolerating this spirit is exactly what Jesus held against the church. Go read Revelation 2:18-23 until the weight of it settles. Then take it to the Lord and ask him to fight the battle for you.
Subscribe to our Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for expanded teaching, community conversation, and further resources on navigating this spirit in your relationships, your church, and your bloodline. 
#FaithOnTheFringe #JezebelSpirit #SpiritualWarfare #NarcissismInTheChurch #DeliveranceMinistry #SupernaturalBiblicalTheology #KingdomTheology

Jezebel, Ahab & Feminism: The Spiritual Warfare of Narcissism No One Names

Malaine attends Dan Duval's training 

Discovering Dan Duval & Bride Ministries 

Dan Duval's humble authority 

Church blind spot: advanced warfare 

Charismatic churches under fire 

What is soul fracturing? 

Sleep paralysis: spiritual causes 

Leviathan & Python spirits exposed 

Discerning the Holy Spirit's voice 

Leviathan spirit & gaslighting 

Why Faith on the Fringe exists

The church has a blind spot - and it's costing souls.

When someone walks in carrying the wounds of satanic ritual abuse, government mind control programs, or advanced demonic oppression, most deliverance ministers don't just fail to help. They re-traumatize.

In this episode, Malaine returns from Dan Duval's advanced deliverance training in Texas and unpacks what the body of Christ refuses to confront: soul fracturing, trauma-based mind control, and the spiritual legalities most leaders won't touch. If you've ever wondered why your deliverance didn't stick — or why the church can't handle cases this severe — this conversation is for you.

Leah and Malaine go deep into: 
• Dan Duval's approach to deliverance and why it's different 
• What soul fracturing is - and why you can't cast out a soul part 
• Leviathan and Python spirits operating in church leadership 
• Sleep paralysis: spiritual causes beyond simple demonic oppression 
• The danger of "loyalty no matter what" in the body of Christ

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"Imagine going through the most traumatic event of your life, and then someone telling you you're a liar and it didn't actually happen. You're now re-traumatizing the person. Now imagine going to a deliverance minister that is screaming in your face, re-traumatizing you all over again."

-Malaine Lea Butler

Featured Scripture

Hosea 4:6

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."

Application: This entire episode exists because of what this verse warns against. The kingdom of darkness has advanced its technology, its systems, and its methods of binding people, but the body of Christ is still operating with an outdated understanding of spiritual warfare. Pastors are turning away SRA survivors because they do not know what soul fracturing is. Deliverance ministers are trying to cast out soul parts because they cannot distinguish between a demon and a piece of a broken person. The lack of knowledge is not neutral. It is costing the kingdom souls. And the call is not to wait until the church feels ready. The call is to get equipped now, because the people who need advanced deliverance are already sitting in your congregation.

Timestamps

00:48 — Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 
02:30 — Malaine attends Dan Duval's training 
03:48 — Discovering Dan Duval & Bride Ministries 
09:10 — Dan Duval's humble authority 
16:26 — Church blind spot: advanced warfare 
21:09 — Charismatic churches under fire 
26:08 — What is soul fracturing? 
28:32 — Sleep paralysis: spiritual causes 
31:47 — Leviathan & Python spirits exposed 
33:34 — Discerning the Holy Spirit's voice 
40:29 — Leviathan spirit & gaslighting 
44:52 — Why Faith on the Fringe exists

Resources and Connect

Dan Duval / Bride Ministries:

Website: https://church.bridemovement.com/
Deliverance Training Info: https://www.bridemovement.com/institute

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Soul Fracturing. A trauma-based condition in which the human soul splinters into separate parts as a result of severe abuse, ritual trauma, or mind control programming. Unlike demonic entities, soul parts cannot be cast out because they are pieces of the person, not foreign spirits. They require healing and integration, not expulsion. Attempting to cast out a soul part re-traumatizes the individual. Isaiah 61:1 speaks of binding up the brokenhearted, and Psalm 23:3 declares "He restores my soul," both indicating that the soul can be fractured and that restoration is part of God's design.

Spiritual Legalities in Deliverance. Dan Duval's framework operates on the principle that the spirit realm functions under a legal system. Demons maintain access through legal rights, agreements, bloodline covenants, and trauma bonds. His prayers address these legalities specifically, revoking agreements and closing legal doors rather than relying solely on authority commands. This approach has produced breakthrough in cases that resisted traditional deliverance methods.

Scriptures for Further Study

Hosea 4:6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. The anchor verse for why the church must stop gatekeeping advanced deliverance training and start equipping believers to handle what is already showing up in their congregations.

Isaiah 61:1. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because He has anointed me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives. The mandate for deliverance ministry and the biblical acknowledgment that hearts (and souls) can be broken and need binding up.

Psalm 23:3. He restores my soul. If the soul can be restored, the soul can be fractured. Scripture acknowledges that the soul is not always whole and that God's design includes a process of restoration.

John 10:10. The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. The enemy's agenda is not passive. He is actively using advanced systems, technologies, and structures to bind humanity in ways the church has not yet learned to address.

1 Peter 5:8. Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. The warning that vulnerability, trauma, and ignorance create access points for the enemy.

James 1:8. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. When loyalty to a leader or system trumps obedience to God, double-mindedness enters and discernment is compromised.

If you have been told by a minister that what happened to you is not real, or if you have sat in a deliverance session that felt more like an assault than a rescue, hear this: the problem was never you. The problem is a body of Christ that has not yet been equipped to handle what you are carrying. There are people being trained right now to meet you where you actually are. And the God who restores souls has not forgotten yours. Take it to Him. He already knows.

Subscribe to our Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for expanded teaching on soul fracturing, spiritual legalities, and the advanced deliverance conversation the church needs to be having.



#DanDuval #SpiritualWarfare #Deliverance #SRA #MindControl #SatanicRitualAbuse #ChurchDeception #HolySpirit #DeliveranceMinistry #FaithOnTheFringe

 

 

The church has a blind spot - and it's costing souls. When someone walks in carrying the wounds of satanic ritual abuse, government mind control programs, or advanced demonic oppression, most deliverance ministers don't just fail to help. They re-traumatize.
In this episode, Malaine returns from Dan Duval's advanced deliverance training in Texas and unpacks what the body of Christ refuses to confront: soul fracturing, trauma-based mind control, and the spiritual legalities most leaders won't touch. If you've ever wondered why your deliverance didn't stick &mdash; or why the church can't handle cases this severe &mdash; this conversation is for you.
Leah and Malaine go deep into: &bull; Dan Duval's approach to deliverance and why it's different &bull; What soul fracturing is - and why you can't cast out a soul part &bull; Leviathan and Python spirits operating in church leadership &bull; Sleep paralysis: spiritual causes beyond simple demonic oppression &bull; The danger of "loyalty no matter what" in the body of Christ
JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb">https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb</a>
<blockquote>
"Imagine going through the most traumatic event of your life, and then someone telling you you're a liar and it didn't actually happen. You're now re-traumatizing the person. Now imagine going to a deliverance minister that is screaming in your face, re-traumatizing you all over again."
-Malaine Lea Butler
</blockquote>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
Hosea 4:6
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
</blockquote>
Application: This entire episode exists because of what this verse warns against. The kingdom of darkness has advanced its technology, its systems, and its methods of binding people, but the body of Christ is still operating with an outdated understanding of spiritual warfare. Pastors are turning away SRA survivors because they do not know what soul fracturing is. Deliverance ministers are trying to cast out soul parts because they cannot distinguish between a demon and a piece of a broken person. The lack of knowledge is not neutral. It is costing the kingdom souls. And the call is not to wait until the church feels ready. The call is to get equipped now, because the people who need advanced deliverance are already sitting in your congregation.
Timestamps
00:48 &mdash; Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 02:30 &mdash; Malaine attends Dan Duval's training 03:48 &mdash; Discovering Dan Duval &amp; Bride Ministries 09:10 &mdash; Dan Duval's humble authority 16:26 &mdash; Church blind spot: advanced warfare 21:09 &mdash; Charismatic churches under fire 26:08 &mdash; What is soul fracturing? 28:32 &mdash; Sleep paralysis: spiritual causes 31:47 &mdash; Leviathan &amp; Python spirits exposed 33:34 &mdash; Discerning the Holy Spirit's voice 40:29 &mdash; Leviathan spirit &amp; gaslighting 44:52 &mdash; Why Faith on the Fringe exists
Resources and Connect
Dan Duval / Bride Ministries:
Website: <a href="https://church.bridemovement.com/">https://church.bridemovement.com/</a> Deliverance Training Info: <a href="https://www.bridemovement.com/institute">https://www.bridemovement.com/institute</a>
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a>
Instagram:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a>
Facebook:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a>&nbsp;
YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a href="mailto:help@faithonthefringepodcast.com">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett">https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Soul Fracturing. A trauma-based condition in which the human soul splinters into separate parts as a result of severe abuse, ritual trauma, or mind control programming. Unlike demonic entities, soul parts cannot be cast out because they are pieces of the person, not foreign spirits. They require healing and integration, not expulsion. Attempting to cast out a soul part re-traumatizes the individual. Isaiah 61:1 speaks of binding up the brokenhearted, and Psalm 23:3 declares "He restores my soul," both indicating that the soul can be fractured and that restoration is part of God's design.
Spiritual Legalities in Deliverance. Dan Duval's framework operates on the principle that the spirit realm functions under a legal system. Demons maintain access through legal rights, agreements, bloodline covenants, and trauma bonds. His prayers address these legalities specifically, revoking agreements and closing legal doors rather than relying solely on authority commands. This approach has produced breakthrough in cases that resisted traditional deliverance methods.
Scriptures for Further Study
Hosea 4:6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. The anchor verse for why the church must stop gatekeeping advanced deliverance training and start equipping believers to handle what is already showing up in their congregations.
Isaiah 61:1. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because He has anointed me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives. The mandate for deliverance ministry and the biblical acknowledgment that hearts (and souls) can be broken and need binding up.
Psalm 23:3. He restores my soul. If the soul can be restored, the soul can be fractured. Scripture acknowledges that the soul is not always whole and that God's design includes a process of restoration.
John 10:10. The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. The enemy's agenda is not passive. He is actively using advanced systems, technologies, and structures to bind humanity in ways the church has not yet learned to address.
1 Peter 5:8. Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. The warning that vulnerability, trauma, and ignorance create access points for the enemy.
James 1:8. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. When loyalty to a leader or system trumps obedience to God, double-mindedness enters and discernment is compromised.
If you have been told by a minister that what happened to you is not real, or if you have sat in a deliverance session that felt more like an assault than a rescue, hear this: the problem was never you. The problem is a body of Christ that has not yet been equipped to handle what you are carrying. There are people being trained right now to meet you where you actually are. And the God who restores souls has not forgotten yours. Take it to Him. He already knows.
Subscribe to our Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for expanded teaching on soul fracturing, spiritual legalities, and the advanced deliverance conversation the church needs to be having. #DanDuval #SpiritualWarfare #Deliverance #SRA #MindControl #SatanicRitualAbuse #ChurchDeception #HolySpirit #DeliveranceMinistry #FaithOnTheFringe
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Spiritual Warfare Just Got More Dangerous: SRA, Mind Control & Deliverance

Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 

Can You Actually Talk to the Dead? 

New Age Testimony: From Channeling to Christ 

When a Medium Came Into Our Home

Nine Practices God Calls Abomination

Menakesh: The Serpent Root

98% Truth With 2% Poison Gets Past Discernment

Acts 16 - Python Spirit: Source Over Accuracy

Ba'alat Ove: What Familiar Spirit in Hebrew

What Appeared When Saul Called Up Samuel

How Familiar Spirits Monitor Your Bloodline

Freedom From Mediumship

God does not waste commandments on things that are not real.

He forbids necromancy, mediumship, divination, and every form of spirit communication because it actually works, and because what responds when you try to contact the dead is almost never who you think it is. In this episode, Leah and Malaine go into the Hebrew of Deuteronomy 18 and pull apart the nine practices God named as an abomination, word by word. What they find hiding inside the original language, connections to the serpent in Genesis, the true meaning of "familiar spirit," and a link between channeling and biblical meditation that uses the exact same Hebrew word, will change how you read these passages permanently.

The centerpiece is 1 Samuel 28 and King Saul's encounter with the witch of Endor. A desperate king, a medium who screamed when something showed up that was above her pay grade, and a word of judgment that came true the next day. Both hosts also share personal testimony from their own time in the New Age and the occult, including Malaine seeking a medium after her son's death and Leah unknowingly naming herself after the exact Hebrew word for what a medium is. This is spiritual warfare, spiritual deception, and biblical truth taught by two women who walked the new age to Christianity road and came out the other side with receipts.

If you or someone you love has been involved in channeling spirits, consulting mediums, séances, or any form of contact with the dead, this episode covers what was actually operating behind it, what it costs, and what deliverance and freedom look like on the other side.

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The Bible doesn't say you can't communicate with the dead. The Bible says God forbids it. And those are two entirely different things. One says it's impossible. The other says it's real enough to be dangerous, real enough to defile you, real enough for God to call it an abomination, and real enough that a king of Israel lost his life over it."
— Leah Steele Barnett

Featured Scripture

"Should not a people seek unto their God? For the living to the dead?"
— Isaiah 8:19 (KJV)

Key Takeaways
Why God forbids necromancy, and why "He forbids it" and "it's not real" are two very different statements
What the Hebrew word for enchanter has in common with the serpent in Genesis 3
What "familiar spirit" actually means in the original language (it is not what you think)
How familiar spirits gather information across generations and why the medium's accuracy is the bait
The connection between King Saul, the witch of Endor, and why God killed a king over this
What the Hebrew word for "mutter" in Isaiah 8:19 has in common with "meditate" in Joshua 1:8
Both hosts' personal experiences with channeling, mediumship, and spirit communication in the New Age
What freedom and deliverance look like for women coming out of the occult

Timestamps: 

0:00 Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 

0:48 Can You Actually Talk to the Dead? The Bible's Real Answer

1:52 New Age Testimony: From Channeling to Christ

16:20 When a Medium Came Into Our Home: The Portal That Opened

20:24 Deuteronomy 18: Nine Practices God Calls Abomination

29:20 Menakesh: The Serpent Root Behind Every Enchantment

32:40 How 98% Truth With 2% Poison Gets Past Your Discernment

36:20 Acts 16 and the Python Spirit: Source Over Accuracy

40:43 Ba'alat Ove: What "Familiar Spirit" Actually Means in Hebrew

47:55 1 Samuel 28: What Appeared When Saul Called Up Samuel

53:13 How Familiar Spirits Monitor Your Bloodline for Generations

1:06:14 Freedom From Mediumship: Repentance and Restoration in Christ

Resources:

The Hebrew & Greek companion document for this episode: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AwMjoJG0p87FS8MF-KA480Phu9jmQq4aQNI0-cd5pSM/edit?usp=sharing


RENUNCIATION PRAYER: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1umE9b-X_o_3l77iB_9zoxe_hpp2OS57MaNIRd57YIiY/edit?usp=sharing

Connect: 

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Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Ba'alat Ove. The Hebrew title given to the Witch of Endor in 1 Samuel 28. Ba'alat means "mistress" (feminine form of master). Ove means "wineskin" or "hollow vessel," referring to the medium as a container that a spirit fills and speaks through. The Septuagint translators rendered ove as angastrimythos, meaning "ventriloquist" or "one who speaks from the belly," connecting the practice to subterranean spirit communication.

Menakesh (Enchanter). The Hebrew word for enchanter in Deuteronomy 18. Its root word Nakesh is the same word used for the serpent in Genesis 3. It means to hiss, to whisper, and to enchant through a low sound. All enchantment linguistically traces back to the serpent in the garden.

The Tememteo Cave. An archaeological site in the Jerusalem hills identified as a necromancy site from the late Roman period. Researchers found a 21-meter shaft believed to function as a ritual pit for summoning subterranean spirits, corresponding to the Hebrew concept of the ove as a portal to the underworld.

Scriptures for Further Study

Deuteronomy 18:10-12. God names nine forbidden practices including divination, enchantment, witchcraft, charming, consulting familiar spirits, wizardry, and necromancy. All are called to'eba (abomination), the same word used for the practices that caused God to drive out entire nations.

Leviticus 20:27. Prescribes the death penalty for anyone who has a familiar spirit or is a wizard. Capital punishment by stoning as a community-wide act of purging.

Leviticus 19:31. Engaging with familiar spirits defiles a person. The Hebrew word tame means to become ritually and spiritually unclean, unfit for the presence of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 11:14. Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. The counterfeit feels like warmth, love, and light because the enemy knows how to replicate proximity to the divine.

Acts 16:16. The girl at Philippi had a Pneuma Pythona (spirit of Python), named after the serpent spirit that guarded the Oracle at Delphi. Luke names the entity behind divination as a serpent spirit, connecting to the Nakesh of Genesis 3.

1 Samuel 28:7-20. King Saul consults the Witch of Endor to call up the prophet Samuel. The medium sees Elohim (plural spiritual beings) ascending from the earth and screams because what appeared exceeded her familiar spirit's authority.

1 Chronicles 10:13. Names necromancy as the direct cause of Saul's death. He died for his transgression against the Lord, specifically for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit.

Isaiah 8:19. The call to seek God rather than mediums who "peep and mutter." The word for seek (Daraash) is the same verb used for seeking the Lord throughout the Old Testament.

Isaiah 29:4. Describes the voice of familiar spirits as whispering out of the dust, out of the ground, connecting to the ove concept of subterranean spirit communication.

Luke 16:26. Jesus confirms a great gulf fixed between the living and the dead, a boundary that God established. What crosses that boundary in a seance is not what it claims to be.

Ecclesiastes 9:5. The dead do not know anything. Solomon writes from the perspective of life under the sun, meaning the participation of the dead in the earthly realm has been terminated by God's design.

Hosea 4:6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. The warning that ignorance among believers serves the enemy's agenda.

2 Corinthians 5:17. Old things are passed away, all things become new. The promise for anyone who has been the ove: when you invite Jesus in, you are no longer that old wineskin. You are a temple of the Holy Spirit and no familiar spirit has jurisdiction over a house that belongs to the living God.

Jeremiah 29:11. God's plans to prosper and not to harm. The gifts and calling the enemy perverted in the new age were always meant for the kingdom of heaven. God restores what was stolen.

 

If you have been the hollow vessel, if you opened yourself up to channeling or mediumship or sat across from someone who claimed to have a message from your dead, hear this: you are one act of repentance away from being clean. The same God who killed a king over this practice is also the God who sent His Son so that you could be washed from it. Confess it. Name it. Renounce every invitation and every agreement. Plead the blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth over yourself and over your bloodline. And then go read 2 Corinthians 5:17 until it lands in your bones. You are not the old wineskin anymore.



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God does not waste commandments on things that are not real. He forbids necromancy, mediumship, divination, and every form of spirit communication because it actually works, and because what responds when you try to contact the dead is almost never who you think it is. In this episode, Leah and Malaine go into the Hebrew of Deuteronomy 18 and pull apart the nine practices God named as an abomination, word by word. What they find hiding inside the original language, connections to the serpent in Genesis, the true meaning of "familiar spirit," and a link between channeling and biblical meditation that uses the exact same Hebrew word, will change how you read these passages permanently.
The centerpiece is 1 Samuel 28 and King Saul's encounter with the witch of Endor. A desperate king, a medium who screamed when something showed up that was above her pay grade, and a word of judgment that came true the next day. Both hosts also share personal testimony from their own time in the New Age and the occult, including Malaine seeking a medium after her son's death and Leah unknowingly naming herself after the exact Hebrew word for what a medium is. This is spiritual warfare, spiritual deception, and biblical truth taught by two women who walked the new age to Christianity road and came out the other side with receipts.
If you or someone you love has been involved in channeling spirits, consulting mediums, s&eacute;ances, or any form of contact with the dead, this episode covers what was actually operating behind it, what it costs, and what deliverance and freedom look like on the other side. JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb">https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb</a> 
<blockquote>
The Bible doesn't say you can't communicate with the dead. The Bible says God forbids it. And those are two entirely different things. One says it's impossible. The other says it's real enough to be dangerous, real enough to defile you, real enough for God to call it an abomination, and real enough that a king of Israel lost his life over it." &mdash; Leah Steele Barnett
</blockquote>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
"Should not a people seek unto their God? For the living to the dead?" &mdash; Isaiah 8:19 (KJV)
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li>Why God forbids necromancy, and why "He forbids it" and "it's not real" are two very different statements</li>
<li>What the Hebrew word for enchanter has in common with the serpent in Genesis 3</li>
<li>What "familiar spirit" actually means in the original language (it is not what you think)</li>
<li>How familiar spirits gather information across generations and why the medium's accuracy is the bait</li>
<li>The connection between King Saul, the witch of Endor, and why God killed a king over this</li>
<li>What the Hebrew word for "mutter" in Isaiah 8:19 has in common with "meditate" in Joshua 1:8</li>
<li>Both hosts' personal experiences with channeling, mediumship, and spirit communication in the New Age</li>
<li>What freedom and deliverance look like for women coming out of the occult</li>
</ul>
Timestamps:&nbsp; 0:00 Welcome to Faith on the Fringe&nbsp;
0:48 Can You Actually Talk to the Dead? The Bible's Real Answer
1:52 New Age Testimony: From Channeling to Christ
16:20 When a Medium Came Into Our Home: The Portal That Opened
20:24 Deuteronomy 18: Nine Practices God Calls Abomination
29:20 Menakesh: The Serpent Root Behind Every Enchantment
32:40 How 98% Truth With 2% Poison Gets Past Your Discernment
36:20 Acts 16 and the Python Spirit: Source Over Accuracy
40:43 Ba'alat Ove: What "Familiar Spirit" Actually Means in Hebrew
47:55 1 Samuel 28: What Appeared When Saul Called Up Samuel
53:13 How Familiar Spirits Monitor Your Bloodline for Generations
1:06:14 Freedom From Mediumship: Repentance and Restoration in Christ
Resources: The Hebrew &amp; Greek companion document for this episode:&nbsp; <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AwMjoJG0p87FS8MF-KA480Phu9jmQq4aQNI0-cd5pSM/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AwMjoJG0p87FS8MF-KA480Phu9jmQq4aQNI0-cd5pSM/edit?usp=sharing</a> 
RENUNCIATION PRAYER: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1umE9b-X_o_3l77iB_9zoxe_hpp2OS57MaNIRd57YIiY/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1umE9b-X_o_3l77iB_9zoxe_hpp2OS57MaNIRd57YIiY/edit?usp=sharing</a>
Connect:&nbsp;
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Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="5138" data-end="5222">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="5237" data-end="5264">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="5278" data-end="5322">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="5340" data-end="5377">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="5390" data-end="5448">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Ba'alat Ove. The Hebrew title given to the Witch of Endor in 1 Samuel 28. Ba'alat means "mistress" (feminine form of master). Ove means "wineskin" or "hollow vessel," referring to the medium as a container that a spirit fills and speaks through. The Septuagint translators rendered ove as angastrimythos, meaning "ventriloquist" or "one who speaks from the belly," connecting the practice to subterranean spirit communication.
Menakesh (Enchanter). The Hebrew word for enchanter in Deuteronomy 18. Its root word Nakesh is the same word used for the serpent in Genesis 3. It means to hiss, to whisper, and to enchant through a low sound. All enchantment linguistically traces back to the serpent in the garden.
The Tememteo Cave. An archaeological site in the Jerusalem hills identified as a necromancy site from the late Roman period. Researchers found a 21-meter shaft believed to function as a ritual pit for summoning subterranean spirits, corresponding to the Hebrew concept of the ove as a portal to the underworld.
Scriptures for Further Study
Deuteronomy 18:10-12. God names nine forbidden practices including divination, enchantment, witchcraft, charming, consulting familiar spirits, wizardry, and necromancy. All are called to'eba (abomination), the same word used for the practices that caused God to drive out entire nations.
Leviticus 20:27. Prescribes the death penalty for anyone who has a familiar spirit or is a wizard. Capital punishment by stoning as a community-wide act of purging.
Leviticus 19:31. Engaging with familiar spirits defiles a person. The Hebrew word tame means to become ritually and spiritually unclean, unfit for the presence of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 11:14. Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. The counterfeit feels like warmth, love, and light because the enemy knows how to replicate proximity to the divine.
Acts 16:16. The girl at Philippi had a Pneuma Pythona (spirit of Python), named after the serpent spirit that guarded the Oracle at Delphi. Luke names the entity behind divination as a serpent spirit, connecting to the Nakesh of Genesis 3.
1 Samuel 28:7-20. King Saul consults the Witch of Endor to call up the prophet Samuel. The medium sees Elohim (plural spiritual beings) ascending from the earth and screams because what appeared exceeded her familiar spirit's authority.
1 Chronicles 10:13. Names necromancy as the direct cause of Saul's death. He died for his transgression against the Lord, specifically for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit.
Isaiah 8:19. The call to seek God rather than mediums who "peep and mutter." The word for seek (Daraash) is the same verb used for seeking the Lord throughout the Old Testament.
Isaiah 29:4. Describes the voice of familiar spirits as whispering out of the dust, out of the ground, connecting to the ove concept of subterranean spirit communication.
Luke 16:26. Jesus confirms a great gulf fixed between the living and the dead, a boundary that God established. What crosses that boundary in a seance is not what it claims to be.
Ecclesiastes 9:5. The dead do not know anything. Solomon writes from the perspective of life under the sun, meaning the participation of the dead in the earthly realm has been terminated by God's design.
Hosea 4:6. My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. The warning that ignorance among believers serves the enemy's agenda.
2 Corinthians 5:17. Old things are passed away, all things become new. The promise for anyone who has been the ove: when you invite Jesus in, you are no longer that old wineskin. You are a temple of the Holy Spirit and no familiar spirit has jurisdiction over a house that belongs to the living God.
Jeremiah 29:11. God's plans to prosper and not to harm. The gifts and calling the enemy perverted in the new age were always meant for the kingdom of heaven. God restores what was stolen.
&nbsp;
If you have been the hollow vessel, if you opened yourself up to channeling or mediumship or sat across from someone who claimed to have a message from your dead, hear this: you are one act of repentance away from being clean. The same God who killed a king over this practice is also the God who sent His Son so that you could be washed from it. Confess it. Name it. Renounce every invitation and every agreement. Plead the blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth over yourself and over your bloodline. And then go read 2 Corinthians 5:17 until it lands in your bones. You are not the old wineskin anymore. 
Subscribe to our Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for expanded teaching on everything we couldn't fit into this episode. 
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Called Up, Lied To, Cut Off: The Witch of Endor, Necromancy & Talking to the Dead

Part 1 recap: Tennessee meetings

What we didn't cover last time

Pentagon drops 162 UAP files

Burleson investigates defense contractors

11 scientists dead or missing

Don't let this news steal your hope

Trump's alien post & prepared speech

Spielberg's Disclosure Day: June 2026

Psychological warfare, not disclosure

The 90-10 model: fallen angels vs. tech

Genesis 6 and the exchange of intel

Project Blue Beam: the 4 stages

Gulf War tested voice-to-skull tech

Without Jesus, there is no anchor

The Pentagon just dropped 162 declassified UAP files, and the site logged 340 million hits in the first 12 hours. Disclosure is not coming. It is already here. And the real subject of this episode is psychological warfare.

In Part 2 of our alien disclosure series, Leah & Malaine are joined again by Apostle Jenny Embrey to break down five major developments since Part 1: the Pentagon's PURSUE portal, Congressman Burleson's investigation into defense contractors, 11 scientists with classified UAP access who have gone missing or died, Trump's confirmed investigation into those deaths, and a Spielberg disclosure film dropping the same month as the next Pentagon file release.

They introduce the 90/10 model, walk through Project Blue Beam's four stages, and land in 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 Corinthians 12, and Matthew 16:18 to make the case that the discerning of spirits is the only framework that holds right now. The closer you look, the more Matthew 24 looks like a checklist. This is Part 2 of a larger conversation. Part 3 will continue with the Vatican, marine spirits, and the deeper UAP timeline.

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"The war that we are in and have been in for quite some time is a psychological one. And the enemy is scheming and coming after your mind."

-Malaine Lea Butler

 

Key Takeaways
Why the Pentagon's 162 declassified UAP files created 340 million hits but still contained almost nothing the public can actually use.
How Congressman Eric Burleson's investigation into private defense contractors could expose what David Grusch testified about under oath in 2023.
What the cluster of 11 missing or dead scientists with classified UAP access tells us about what someone is trying to keep hidden.
Why the 90-10 model matters: 90% of what is in the sky may be reverse-engineered human technology, and the other 10% is where Genesis 6 becomes relevant.
How Project Blue Beam's four stages moved from conspiracy theory to technological capability, including voice-to-skull tech the US Air Force tested over Baghdad in 1991.
Why fear is the primary weapon of psychological warfare and why 2 Timothy 1:7 is the anchor believers need before disclosure goes mainstream.
What the ecclesia actually means in Matthew 16:18 and why Jenny says the gates of Hades will not prevail if the called-out ones stay grounded in the gifts of the Spirit.
Why Steven Spielberg is releasing a film called Disclosure Day the same month the Pentagon drops its next batch of files.

Featured Scripture

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind."

-2 Timothy 1:7

Application: Every piece of information in this episode, the missing scientists, the reverse-engineered craft, the holographic projection, the voice-to-skull technology, could easily drive a person into fear, paranoia, or despair. That is the point. The enemy's primary weapon in this season is psychological warfare aimed at the mind. Paul's word to Timothy is the anchor: God did not give you this fear. He gave you power, love, and a sound mind. The believer who stays submitted to Jesus Christ has access to the mind of Christ, the gifts of the Spirit, and the discernment to distinguish what is real from what is staged. The sound mind is not optional. It is your inheritance.

Timestamps

0:00 — Welcome to Faith on the Fringe

0:48 — Part 1 recap: Tennessee meetings

5:16 — What we didn't cover last time

8:30 — Pentagon drops 162 UAP files

14:22 — Burleson investigates defense contractors

26:30 — 11 scientists dead or missing

28:39 — Don't let this news steal your hope

33:08 — Trump's alien post & prepared speech

35:20 — Spielberg's Disclosure Day: June 2026

42:09 — Psychological warfare, not disclosure

48:30 — The 90-10 model: fallen angels vs. tech

52:36 — Genesis 6 and the exchange of intel

58:36 — Project Blue Beam: the 4 stages

1:03:26 — Gulf War tested voice-to-skull tech

1:08:15 — Without Jesus, there is no anchor

 

Resources and Connect

Pentagon PURSUE Portal: https://www.war.gov/UFO/

Missing Scientists Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bVlDRIEoNHmsGCHS2ipkftatZOZMxIMrBCvGtt3vjjg/edit?usp=sharing

Leah's Faith + Tech Substack: https://www.aiwithleah.blog/p/ai-jesus-shows-us-where-the-line

Part 1 of the Alien Series: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-on-the-fringe/id1894554711?i=1000767830657

 

Resources and Connect

Jenny Embrey:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Project Blue Beam. Published in 1994 by Canadian journalist Serge Monast, who claimed NASA and the United Nations were preparing a technologically simulated second coming of Christ using satellite-based holography, voice-to-skull broadcasting, and a staged alien invasion. Monast died of a heart attack at 51 in 1996. The framework has been criticized, but every piece of the technology he described now exists and has been tested.

The PURSUE Program. The Presidential Unsealing and Reporting System for UAP Encounters, launched by the Pentagon in May 2025 with 162 declassified files. The portal (war.gov/UFO) represents the first publicly accessible government archive of UAP-related documents.

The Ecclesia. Jenny Embrey highlights the Greek word ecclesia in Matthew 16:18, which means "the called-out ones." The word translated as "church" in most English Bibles originally referred to a governing assembly of citizens summoned for a purpose, not a building or institution.

Scriptures for Further Study

2 Timothy 1:7. God did not give a spirit of fear but of power, love, and a sound mind. The anchor for psychological warfare and information overload.

Matthew 16:18. Jesus declares that on this rock He will build His ecclesia and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.

1 Corinthians 12:4-11. The gifts of the Spirit, including discerning of spirits, are given to the body for operation in exactly this kind of hour.

Matthew 24:24. False christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders so convincing that even the elect could be deceived.

Genesis 6:1-4. The sons of God took the daughters of men as wives and the Nephilim appeared. The biblical framework for understanding non-human intelligence and the exchange of knowledge between realms.

Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Referenced from Part 1 as the warning that ignorance among believers serves the enemy's agenda.

Ecclesiastes 1:9. Nothing is new under the sun. What has been will be again. The patterns of Genesis 6 are repeating.

Numbers 30. Vows carry weight before the Lord. Jenny connects the concept of vows and agreements to the covenants made between governments and non-human entities.

Colossians 1:15-16. All things visible and invisible were created by Christ and for Christ. Referenced from Part 1 as the theological anchor for every disclosure conversation.

If the information in this episode made your chest tight or your mind start to spiral, that reaction is the point. The war is psychological. The weapon is fear. And 2 Timothy 1:7 is not a suggestion. You were given power, love, and a sound mind. Use them. Go to 1 Corinthians 12, ask your Father for the gifts He already made available, and stop letting the enemy's Intel do what only the Holy Spirit is authorized to do: move you.

Subscribe to the Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for the missing scientists breakdown, extended research, transcripts, and the deeper dives we cannot fit into a single episode. Part 3 is coming.

Share this with the believer in your life who saw the Pentagon drop and felt something shift but had no biblical framework for what they were looking at.

 

#FaithOnTheFringe #ProjectBlueBeam #UAPDisclosure #PsychologicalWarfare #Genesis6 #SpiritualWarfare #SupernaturalBiblicalTheology #KingdomTheology

 

The Pentagon just dropped 162 declassified UAP files, and the site logged 340 million hits in the first 12 hours. Disclosure is not coming. It is already here. And the real subject of this episode is psychological warfare.
In Part 2 of our alien disclosure series, Leah &amp; Malaine are joined again by Apostle Jenny Embrey to break down five major developments since Part 1: the Pentagon's PURSUE portal, Congressman Burleson's investigation into defense contractors, 11 scientists with classified UAP access who have gone missing or died, Trump's confirmed investigation into those deaths, and a Spielberg disclosure film dropping the same month as the next Pentagon file release.
They introduce the 90/10 model, walk through Project Blue Beam's four stages, and land in 2 Timothy 1:7, 1 Corinthians 12, and Matthew 16:18 to make the case that the discerning of spirits is the only framework that holds right now. The closer you look, the more Matthew 24 looks like a checklist. This is Part 2 of a larger conversation. Part 3 will continue with the Vatican, marine spirits, and the deeper UAP timeline.
JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb">https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb</a>
&nbsp;
<blockquote>
"The war that we are in and have been in for quite some time is a psychological one. And the enemy is scheming and coming after your mind."
-Malaine Lea Butler
</blockquote>
&nbsp;
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li>Why the Pentagon's 162 declassified UAP files created 340 million hits but still contained almost nothing the public can actually use.</li>
<li>How Congressman Eric Burleson's investigation into private defense contractors could expose what David Grusch testified about under oath in 2023.</li>
<li>What the cluster of 11 missing or dead scientists with classified UAP access tells us about what someone is trying to keep hidden.</li>
<li>Why the 90-10 model matters: 90% of what is in the sky may be reverse-engineered human technology, and the other 10% is where Genesis 6 becomes relevant.</li>
<li>How Project Blue Beam's four stages moved from conspiracy theory to technological capability, including voice-to-skull tech the US Air Force tested over Baghdad in 1991.</li>
<li>Why fear is the primary weapon of psychological warfare and why 2 Timothy 1:7 is the anchor believers need before disclosure goes mainstream.</li>
<li>What the ecclesia actually means in Matthew 16:18 and why Jenny says the gates of Hades will not prevail if the called-out ones stay grounded in the gifts of the Spirit.</li>
<li>Why Steven Spielberg is releasing a film called Disclosure Day the same month the Pentagon drops its next batch of files.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind."
-2 Timothy 1:7
</blockquote>
Application: Every piece of information in this episode, the missing scientists, the reverse-engineered craft, the holographic projection, the voice-to-skull technology, could easily drive a person into fear, paranoia, or despair. That is the point. The enemy's primary weapon in this season is psychological warfare aimed at the mind. Paul's word to Timothy is the anchor: God did not give you this fear. He gave you power, love, and a sound mind. The believer who stays submitted to Jesus Christ has access to the mind of Christ, the gifts of the Spirit, and the discernment to distinguish what is real from what is staged. The sound mind is not optional. It is your inheritance.
Timestamps
0:00 &mdash; Welcome to Faith on the Fringe
0:48 &mdash; Part 1 recap: Tennessee meetings
5:16 &mdash; What we didn't cover last time
8:30 &mdash; Pentagon drops 162 UAP files
14:22 &mdash; Burleson investigates defense contractors
26:30 &mdash; 11 scientists dead or missing
28:39 &mdash; Don't let this news steal your hope
33:08 &mdash; Trump's alien post &amp; prepared speech
35:20 &mdash; Spielberg's Disclosure Day: June 2026
42:09 &mdash; Psychological warfare, not disclosure
48:30 &mdash; The 90-10 model: fallen angels vs. tech
52:36 &mdash; Genesis 6 and the exchange of intel
58:36 &mdash; Project Blue Beam: the 4 stages
1:03:26 &mdash; Gulf War tested voice-to-skull tech
1:08:15 &mdash; Without Jesus, there is no anchor
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Resources and Connect
Pentagon PURSUE Portal:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.war.gov/UFO/">https://www.war.gov/UFO/</a>
Missing Scientists Document: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bVlDRIEoNHmsGCHS2ipkftatZOZMxIMrBCvGtt3vjjg/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bVlDRIEoNHmsGCHS2ipkftatZOZMxIMrBCvGtt3vjjg/edit?usp=sharing</a>
Leah's Faith + Tech Substack: <a href="https://www.aiwithleah.blog/p/ai-jesus-shows-us-where-the-line">https://www.aiwithleah.blog/p/ai-jesus-shows-us-where-the-line</a>
Part 1 of the Alien Series: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-on-the-fringe/id1894554711?i=1000767830657">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/faith-on-the-fringe/id1894554711?i=1000767830657</a>
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Resources and Connect
Jenny Embrey:
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5635" data-end="5684">https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher" data-start="5697" data-end="5745">https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher" data-start="5757" data-end="5798">https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher</a>
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="5584" data-end="5621">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5635" data-end="5684">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5697" data-end="5745">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe" data-start="5757" data-end="5798">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a data-start="5808" data-end="5840">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500" data-start="5892" data-end="5959">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5973" data-end="6012">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> A House of Health: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett" data-start="6034" data-end="6074">https://www.instagram.com/leah_steele_barnett</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial" data-start="6087" data-end="6130">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/theleahsteele" data-start="6136" data-end="6163">https://x.com/theleahsteele</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="6210" data-end="6294">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="6309" data-end="6336">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="6350" data-end="6394">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="6412" data-end="6449">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="6462" data-end="6520">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Project Blue Beam. Published in 1994 by Canadian journalist Serge Monast, who claimed NASA and the United Nations were preparing a technologically simulated second coming of Christ using satellite-based holography, voice-to-skull broadcasting, and a staged alien invasion. Monast died of a heart attack at 51 in 1996. The framework has been criticized, but every piece of the technology he described now exists and has been tested.
The PURSUE Program. The Presidential Unsealing and Reporting System for UAP Encounters, launched by the Pentagon in May 2025 with 162 declassified files. The portal (war.gov/UFO) represents the first publicly accessible government archive of UAP-related documents.
The Ecclesia. Jenny Embrey highlights the Greek word ecclesia in Matthew 16:18, which means "the called-out ones." The word translated as "church" in most English Bibles originally referred to a governing assembly of citizens summoned for a purpose, not a building or institution.
Scriptures for Further Study
2 Timothy 1:7. God did not give a spirit of fear but of power, love, and a sound mind. The anchor for psychological warfare and information overload.
Matthew 16:18. Jesus declares that on this rock He will build His ecclesia and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11. The gifts of the Spirit, including discerning of spirits, are given to the body for operation in exactly this kind of hour.
Matthew 24:24. False christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders so convincing that even the elect could be deceived.
Genesis 6:1-4. The sons of God took the daughters of men as wives and the Nephilim appeared. The biblical framework for understanding non-human intelligence and the exchange of knowledge between realms.
Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Referenced from Part 1 as the warning that ignorance among believers serves the enemy's agenda.
Ecclesiastes 1:9. Nothing is new under the sun. What has been will be again. The patterns of Genesis 6 are repeating.
Numbers 30. Vows carry weight before the Lord. Jenny connects the concept of vows and agreements to the covenants made between governments and non-human entities.
Colossians 1:15-16. All things visible and invisible were created by Christ and for Christ. Referenced from Part 1 as the theological anchor for every disclosure conversation.
If the information in this episode made your chest tight or your mind start to spiral, that reaction is the point. The war is psychological. The weapon is fear. And 2 Timothy 1:7 is not a suggestion. You were given power, love, and a sound mind. Use them. Go to 1 Corinthians 12, ask your Father for the gifts He already made available, and stop letting the enemy's Intel do what only the Holy Spirit is authorized to do: move you.
Subscribe to the Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com/">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for the missing scientists breakdown, extended research, transcripts, and the deeper dives we cannot fit into a single episode. Part 3 is coming.
Share this with the believer in your life who saw the Pentagon drop and felt something shift but had no biblical framework for what they were looking at.
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#FaithOnTheFringe #ProjectBlueBeam #UAPDisclosure #PsychologicalWarfare #Genesis6 #SpiritualWarfare #SupernaturalBiblicalTheology #KingdomTheology
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The Pentagon Released 162 UFO Files - Here's What the Church Still Isn't Saying (Part 2 of UFO Disclosure Series)

Meet Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey 

Jenny's most fringe belief: touching heaven 

Open vision: a mother's love transferred 

"Do not give up on him" - heaven speaks 

Near-death experience verified in the spirit 

Deliverance ministry isn't weird. Bondage is. 

Women of Armor: how the ministry began 

Women in ministry and the revival block 

The church's resistance to deliverance 

Obedience over reputation

The Standard American Church is dead 

Obedience is deliverance - daily

Jenny (Goncher) Embrey has been kicked out of tent revivals, blocked from churches, and flooded with messages from men telling her women cannot minister. She keeps going anyway, because Jesus told her to.

In this episode, Leah and Malaine sit down with Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey, founder of Women of Armor, to talk about what the modern church refuses to make room for: women in deliverance ministry, the reality of touching heaven, and what obedience actually costs when you walk in the supernatural. Jenny shares three encounters with heaven, including a near-death experience verified in the spirit, and makes the case that revival cannot take full footing without two things the Standard American Church keeps sidelining: women preaching and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

JOIN LEAH MALAINE AND JENNY IN THE OFFICIAL FOTF FACEBOOK GROUP HERE: 

Together they walk through what it looks like to operate in spiritual warfare daily, how generational curses and soul ties open doors to demonic oppression, and why obedience to the Holy Spirit is itself a form of deliverance. Jenny's ministry has performed over 3,000 hours of deliverance, healing, and discipleship in four years, and that number keeps growing because set-free women keep telling other women where to find freedom.

"Revival will not take full footing unless two critical elements are fully engaged: women preaching and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Because those are the two things that were in the Holy Fire of the Spirit of the early church."

-Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey

Key Takeaways
Jenny's most fringe belief is that you can touch heaven, and she has experienced it: a mother's love transferred through an open vision, a message from a woman who had passed decades ago, and a near-death encounter verified by the young woman who lived it.
Revival will not come in fullness without two things the modern church keeps resisting: women operating in ministry and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ.
The Standard American Church is dead, meaning it is not walking in the Spirit of God but operating from religious structure, fear of man, and institutional control.
Deliverance is not a one-time event. It is a daily posture of surrender, obedience, and deeper levels of freedom in Christ.
The enemy's legal rights often come through soul ties and generational curses that believers think they have already broken but have not fully renounced.
Obedience is the safest place a believer can be, and it is itself a form of deliverance. When you obey what makes no sense to your flesh, strongholds break.
Women of Armor operates from Ephesians 6 and Romans 13:12, putting on both the full armor of God and the armor of light, and walking in a constant state of deliverance as ministers.
The Spirit of Wisdom is available to every believer. Call on her. She belongs to you and the deliverance that comes by her is some of the most powerful there is.

Featured Scripture

1 Corinthians 2:13

"And we speak about these things, not with words taught us by human wisdom, but with words taught us by the Spirit, explaining spiritual truths to spiritual people."

Application: This verse is the operating system of everything Jenny describes. Touching heaven, open visions, the transfer of a mother's love from beyond the veil, deliverance from demonic oppression, none of it makes sense to human wisdom. It was never supposed to. The Spirit teaches spiritual things to spiritual people, and the moment we demand that every encounter pass through the grid of religious logic before we accept it, we have placed human wisdom above the Holy Spirit. The supernatural ministry of Jesus Christ did not operate by committee approval. It operated by the Spirit. And that is what Women of Armor, and this entire episode, calls the body of Christ back into.

Timestamps

0:02 – Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 
0:48 – Meet Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey 
1:20 – Jenny's most fringe belief: touching heaven 
3:39 – Open vision: a mother's love transferred 
8:32 – "Do not give up on him" - heaven speaks 
10:33 – Near-death experience verified in the spirit 
15:23 – Deliverance ministry isn't weird. Bondage is. 
19:01 – Women of Armor: how the ministry began 
21:41 – Women in ministry and the revival block 
28:46 – The church's resistance to deliverance 
36:06 – Obedience over reputation 
41:17 – The Standard American Church is dead 
48:02 – Obedience is deliverance - daily

Resources and Connect

Jenny Embrey:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

 

Historical and Theological References

The Spirit of Wisdom. Referenced from Proverbs and the Wisdom of Solomon (a book removed from the Protestant canon). Jenny describes calling on the Spirit of Wisdom in prayer as a powerful component of deliverance ministry.

The Wisdom of Solomon. One of the deuterocanonical books removed during the Protestant Reformation. Discussed in this episode as a beautiful text that reveals the person and function of Wisdom as a spirit believers can call upon.

Scriptures for Further Study

1 Corinthians 2:13. Paul explains that spiritual truths are communicated by the Spirit to spiritual people, not taught by human wisdom.

Romans 8:14. The true children of God are those who let the Spirit of God lead them.

Ephesians 6:10-18. The full armor of God. The foundation scripture for Women of Armor ministry.

Romans 13:12. Put on the armor of light and cast off the works of darkness. The second foundation for Women of Armor.

John 16:13. When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth and tell you what is to come.

Galatians 5:18. If the Spirit is leading you, you are not under the law.

John 14:26. The Father sends the Holy Spirit as Advocate, teacher, and reminder of everything Jesus said.

James 1:5. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach.

Proverbs 25:2. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the honor of kings to search it out.

Daniel 10. Daniel's 21-day fast, the angel Gabriel's arrival, the war in the second heaven, and the revelation of what believers are fighting and the power they stand in.

Matthew 6:33. Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.

If you have been told that deliverance is not for today, that women can't minister, that the supernatural ended with the apostles, or that your experiences with the Holy Spirit are too much, too wild, or too fringe, take it to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask Him directly. The Spirit of God is not threatened by your hunger, your questions, or your willingness to go where the religious system refuses to follow.

Jesus was the first liberator of women. He was the first full deliverer. And His ministry did not end at the cross. It was finished at the cross so that you could walk in it.

Subscribe now so you don't miss a thing. Sign up for the Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.

Share this episode with the woman who knows she is called to more but has been told the church can't handle her.

#FaithOnTheFringe #DeliveranceMinistry #SpiritualWarfare #WomenInMinistry #SupernaturalBiblicalTheology #KingdomTheology #TouchingHeaven #DemonicOppression

Jenny (Goncher) Embrey has been kicked out of tent revivals, blocked from churches, and flooded with messages from men telling her women cannot minister. She keeps going anyway, because Jesus told her to.
In this episode, Leah and Malaine sit down with Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey, founder of Women of Armor, to talk about what the modern church refuses to make room for: women in deliverance ministry, the reality of touching heaven, and what obedience actually costs when you walk in the supernatural. Jenny shares three encounters with heaven, including a near-death experience verified in the spirit, and makes the case that revival cannot take full footing without two things the Standard American Church keeps sidelining: women preaching and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. JOIN LEAH MALAINE AND JENNY IN THE OFFICIAL FOTF FACEBOOK GROUP HERE:&nbsp;
Together they walk through what it looks like to operate in spiritual warfare daily, how generational curses and soul ties open doors to demonic oppression, and why obedience to the Holy Spirit is itself a form of deliverance. Jenny's ministry has performed over 3,000 hours of deliverance, healing, and discipleship in four years, and that number keeps growing because set-free women keep telling other women where to find freedom.
<blockquote>
"Revival will not take full footing unless two critical elements are fully engaged: women preaching and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Because those are the two things that were in the Holy Fire of the Spirit of the early church."
-Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li>Jenny's most fringe belief is that you can touch heaven, and she has experienced it: a mother's love transferred through an open vision, a message from a woman who had passed decades ago, and a near-death encounter verified by the young woman who lived it.</li>
<li>Revival will not come in fullness without two things the modern church keeps resisting: women operating in ministry and the deliverance ministry of Jesus Christ.</li>
<li>The Standard American Church is dead, meaning it is not walking in the Spirit of God but operating from religious structure, fear of man, and institutional control.</li>
<li>Deliverance is not a one-time event. It is a daily posture of surrender, obedience, and deeper levels of freedom in Christ.</li>
<li>The enemy's legal rights often come through soul ties and generational curses that believers think they have already broken but have not fully renounced.</li>
<li>Obedience is the safest place a believer can be, and it is itself a form of deliverance. When you obey what makes no sense to your flesh, strongholds break.</li>
<li>Women of Armor operates from Ephesians 6 and Romans 13:12, putting on both the full armor of God and the armor of light, and walking in a constant state of deliverance as ministers.</li>
<li>The Spirit of Wisdom is available to every believer. Call on her. She belongs to you and the deliverance that comes by her is some of the most powerful there is.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
1 Corinthians 2:13
"And we speak about these things, not with words taught us by human wisdom, but with words taught us by the Spirit, explaining spiritual truths to spiritual people."
Application: This verse is the operating system of everything Jenny describes. Touching heaven, open visions, the transfer of a mother's love from beyond the veil, deliverance from demonic oppression, none of it makes sense to human wisdom. It was never supposed to. The Spirit teaches spiritual things to spiritual people, and the moment we demand that every encounter pass through the grid of religious logic before we accept it, we have placed human wisdom above the Holy Spirit. The supernatural ministry of Jesus Christ did not operate by committee approval. It operated by the Spirit. And that is what Women of Armor, and this entire episode, calls the body of Christ back into.
</blockquote>
Timestamps
0:02 &ndash; Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 0:48 &ndash; Meet Apostle Jenny (Goncher) Embrey 1:20 &ndash; Jenny's most fringe belief: touching heaven 3:39 &ndash; Open vision: a mother's love transferred 8:32 &ndash; "Do not give up on him" - heaven speaks 10:33 &ndash; Near-death experience verified in the spirit 15:23 &ndash; Deliverance ministry isn't weird. Bondage is. 19:01 &ndash; Women of Armor: how the ministry began 21:41 &ndash; Women in ministry and the revival block 28:46 &ndash; The church's resistance to deliverance 36:06 &ndash; Obedience over reputation 41:17 &ndash; The Standard American Church is dead 48:02 &ndash; Obedience is deliverance - daily
Resources and Connect
Jenny Embrey:
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5635" data-end="5684">https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher" data-start="5697" data-end="5745">https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher" data-start="5757" data-end="5798">https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher</a>
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="5584" data-end="5621">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5635" data-end="5684">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5697" data-end="5745">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe" data-start="5757" data-end="5798">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a data-start="5808" data-end="5840">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500" data-start="5892" data-end="5959">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5973" data-end="6012">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> A House of Health: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth" data-start="6034" data-end="6074">https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial" data-start="6087" data-end="6130">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/theleahsteele" data-start="6136" data-end="6163">https://x.com/theleahsteele</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="6210" data-end="6294">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="6309" data-end="6336">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="6350" data-end="6394">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="6412" data-end="6449">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="6462" data-end="6520">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
&nbsp;
Historical and Theological References
The Spirit of Wisdom. Referenced from Proverbs and the Wisdom of Solomon (a book removed from the Protestant canon). Jenny describes calling on the Spirit of Wisdom in prayer as a powerful component of deliverance ministry.
The Wisdom of Solomon. One of the deuterocanonical books removed during the Protestant Reformation. Discussed in this episode as a beautiful text that reveals the person and function of Wisdom as a spirit believers can call upon.
Scriptures for Further Study
1 Corinthians 2:13. Paul explains that spiritual truths are communicated by the Spirit to spiritual people, not taught by human wisdom.
Romans 8:14. The true children of God are those who let the Spirit of God lead them.
Ephesians 6:10-18. The full armor of God. The foundation scripture for Women of Armor ministry.
Romans 13:12. Put on the armor of light and cast off the works of darkness. The second foundation for Women of Armor.
John 16:13. When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth and tell you what is to come.
Galatians 5:18. If the Spirit is leading you, you are not under the law.
John 14:26. The Father sends the Holy Spirit as Advocate, teacher, and reminder of everything Jesus said.
James 1:5. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach.
Proverbs 25:2. It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the honor of kings to search it out.
Daniel 10. Daniel's 21-day fast, the angel Gabriel's arrival, the war in the second heaven, and the revelation of what believers are fighting and the power they stand in.
Matthew 6:33. Seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added unto you.
If you have been told that deliverance is not for today, that women can't minister, that the supernatural ended with the apostles, or that your experiences with the Holy Spirit are too much, too wild, or too fringe, take it to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask Him directly. The Spirit of God is not threatened by your hunger, your questions, or your willingness to go where the religious system refuses to follow.
Jesus was the first liberator of women. He was the first full deliverer. And His ministry did not end at the cross. It was finished at the cross so that you could walk in it.
Subscribe now so you don't miss a thing. Sign up for the Substack at&nbsp;<a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com/">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a>&nbsp;for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.
Share this episode with the woman who knows she is called to more but has been told the church can't handle her.
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The Church Can't Handle Her: Apostle Jenny Embrey on Deliverance, Heaven, and Spiritual Warfare

Disclosure Is Coming: Is the Church Ready?

Two Extremes in the Church on UAP Disclosure

Vision: Priests Withhold Fire From the World

Psychological Warfare and Intimacy With Jesus

Who Was in the Room, and Who Wasn’t

Ragland, Perry Stone, and Burleson’s Call

Why Only Charismatic Leaders Were Invited

The Lilith Principality: What’s Really at Work

Ragland’s Viral Claim: What He Got Wrong

3 Questions for Discernment: Who, What, Fact

Part 2: Vatican, Project Blue Beam, UAP Craft

2 Thessalonians 2: Warning of Strong Delusion

Genesis 6 and Nephilim: The Context You Need

Part 2 Is Coming: Do the Research

Disclosure is coming, and the church is not ready.

But it's not for the reason they want you to think. In this episode, Leah and Malaine, are joined by Jenny Embrey to respond to the recent wave of private UAP disclosure meetings involving pastors, Christian influencers, deliverance leaders, and government-connected sources. What started as a warning to prepare the church quickly became a public mess of viral claims, retractions, conflicting interpretations, and spiritual confusion.

PARTICIPATE IN THE BINGE THE FRINGE CHALLENGE: https://faithonthefringepodcast.com/binge-the-fringe

This episode follows the fallout from the backwoods Tennessee meeting, the viral claims that followed, and the deeper question underneath all of it: why is the church so unprepared to discern what is already unfolding?

Leah, Malaine, and Jenny examine the spiritual, biblical, and cultural layers behind the chaos without reducing the conversation to fear, speculation, or conspiracy. From UAP disclosure and non-human intelligence to Genesis 6, strong delusion, and the unseen forces shaping public narratives, this conversation asks whether the body of Christ has the framework it needs before disclosure becomes mainstream.

The Bible is not silent on the unseen realm. The problem is that many believers were never taught how to read those passages seriously. This is Part 1 of a larger conversation. Part 2 will continue with the Vatican meeting, Project Blue Beam, reverse-engineered technology, government disclosure, trafficking concerns, and the deeper UAP timeline.

If you know whether any women were present in the Tennessee meeting, email us at help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb

Featured Quote

“The Bible already has a category for what the world is about to call non-human intelligence. And we’ve had that category in the text for thousands of years. It’s just that the Western church stopped reading those chapters.”

-Leah Steele Barnett

Key Takeaways
Why the church needs a stronger biblical framework before UAP disclosure becomes mainstream.
How one private meeting in Tennessee exposed deeper confusion around UFOs, non-human intelligence, and spiritual discernment.
Why the fallout from Pastor Larry Ragland’s viral claim matters beyond one misstatement.
What Genesis 6, the Nephilim, and the sons of God have to do with the conversation Christians are now being forced to face.
Why Colossians 1 matters when talking about visible and invisible beings, principalities, powers, and the authority of Christ.
How strong delusion, lying signs and wonders, and end-times deception should shape the way believers process disclosure narratives.
Why charismatic platform culture can become dangerous when urgency outruns humility, verification, and the fear of the Lord.
The three discernment questions every believer should ask before repeating a claim, sharing a clip, or trusting a public voice.

Featured Scripture

Colossians 1:15-16

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through him and for him.”

Application: Colossians 1 gives believers the anchor for this entire conversation. The world may call it UFO disclosure, UAP disclosure, extraterrestrial life, interdimensional beings, or non-human intelligence, but Scripture already tells us that all things visible and invisible were created by Christ and for Christ. Nothing in heaven, on earth, or in any unseen realm exists outside His authority. Christians do not need to panic when strange things are revealed, but they do need to interpret every claim through Scripture, discernment, and submission to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Timestamps

0:02 — Welcome to Faith on the Fringe
1:17 — Disclosure Is Coming: Is the Church Ready?
8:44 — Two Extremes in the Church on UAP Disclosure
13:16 — Vision: Priests Withhold Fire From the World
17:33 — Psychological Warfare and Intimacy With Jesus
24:06 — Who Was in the Room, and Who Wasn’t
30:26 — Ragland, Perry Stone, and Burleson’s Call
35:56 — Why Only Charismatic Leaders Were Invited
45:38 — The Lilith Principality: What’s Really at Work
52:20 — Ragland’s Viral Claim: What He Got Wrong
58:33 — 3 Questions for Discernment: Who, What, Fact
1:05:20 — Part 2: Vatican, Project Blue Beam, UAP Craft
1:12:08 — 2 Thessalonians 2: The Warning of Strong Delusion
1:19:03 — Genesis 6 and Nephilim: The Context You Need
1:25:10 — Part 2 Is Coming: Do the Research


Resources and Connect

Jenny Embrey:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

UAP Disclosure. UAP is commonly used in current government and public conversations about unidentified anomalous phenomena or unidentified aerial phenomena. In this episode, the concern is how Christians should respond to claims about UAP disclosure without falling into panic, mockery, gullibility, or denial.

Lilith. Lilith is discussed in this episode as a principality connected to division, humiliation, rebellion, emasculation, and the distortion of male and female order. Malaine and Jenny connect this spiritual warfare framework to the public unraveling, disunity, and absence of women from major discernment conversations.

Cape Girardeau Crash. Jenny references the alleged Cape Girardeau UFO crash connected to Reverend William Huffman. She discusses its regional significance and relationship to broader conversations about supernatural phenomena, spiritual geography, and discernment.

 

Scriptures for Further Study

Genesis 6:1-4. The sons of God take the daughters of men, and the Nephilim appear in the earth, giving biblical context for ancient non-human intelligence.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11. Paul warns of power, signs, lying wonders, deception, and strong delusion connected to the working of Satan.

Matthew 24:24. Jesus warns that false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders so convincing that even the elect could be deceived.

2 Peter 2:1. Peter warns that false teachers will secretly introduce destructive heresies among the people of God.

Jeremiah 33:3. The Lord invites His people to call on Him and promises to show great and hidden things they do not know.

James 1:5. Believers are invited to ask God for wisdom, trusting that He gives generously to those who seek Him.

Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.


If you felt a check in your spirit when the UAP disclosure conversation started spreading across the Christian internet, do not ignore it. Take it to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask who is speaking, what they actually know, what they witnessed firsthand, and where interpretation has been dressed up as fact.

Subscribe now so you do not miss Part 2. Sign up for the Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.

Share this episode with the friend who loves Jesus, sees the deception building, and knows the church needs more than denial, fear, or charismatic clickbait.

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Disclosure is coming, and the church is not ready.
But it's not for the reason they want you to think. In this episode, Leah and Malaine, are joined by Jenny Embrey to respond to the recent wave of private UAP disclosure meetings involving pastors, Christian influencers, deliverance leaders, and government-connected sources. What started as a warning to prepare the church quickly became a public mess of viral claims, retractions, conflicting interpretations, and spiritual confusion. PARTICIPATE IN THE BINGE THE FRINGE CHALLENGE: <a href="https://faithonthefringepodcast.com/binge-the-fringe">https://faithonthefringepodcast.com/binge-the-fringe</a>
This episode follows the fallout from the backwoods Tennessee meeting, the viral claims that followed, and the deeper question underneath all of it: why is the church so unprepared to discern what is already unfolding?
Leah, Malaine, and Jenny examine the spiritual, biblical, and cultural layers behind the chaos without reducing the conversation to fear, speculation, or conspiracy. From UAP disclosure and non-human intelligence to Genesis 6, strong delusion, and the unseen forces shaping public narratives, this conversation asks whether the body of Christ has the framework it needs before disclosure becomes mainstream.
The Bible is not silent on the unseen realm. The problem is that many believers were never taught how to read those passages seriously. This is Part 1 of a larger conversation. Part 2 will continue with the Vatican meeting, Project Blue Beam, reverse-engineered technology, government disclosure, trafficking concerns, and the deeper UAP timeline. If you know whether any women were present in the Tennessee meeting, email us at <a href="mailto:help@faithonthefringepodcast.com">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a><a data-start="2710" data-end="2742"></a> JOIN THE FRINGE ON FACEBOOK HERE: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb">https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb</a>
Featured Quote
<blockquote>
&ldquo;The Bible already has a category for what the world is about to call non-human intelligence. And we&rsquo;ve had that category in the text for thousands of years. It&rsquo;s just that the Western church stopped reading those chapters.&rdquo;
-Leah Steele Barnett
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li data-section-id="19yapah" data-start="121" data-end="215">Why the church needs a stronger biblical framework before UAP disclosure becomes mainstream.</li>
<li data-section-id="4tnkdk" data-start="217" data-end="344">How one private meeting in Tennessee exposed deeper confusion around UFOs, non-human intelligence, and spiritual discernment.</li>
<li data-section-id="1v7mky7" data-start="346" data-end="436">Why the fallout from Pastor Larry Ragland&rsquo;s viral claim matters beyond one misstatement.</li>
<li data-section-id="1ufix5p" data-start="438" data-end="563">What Genesis 6, the Nephilim, and the sons of God have to do with the conversation Christians are now being forced to face.</li>
<li data-section-id="11662l9" data-start="565" data-end="693">Why Colossians 1 matters when talking about visible and invisible beings, principalities, powers, and the authority of Christ.</li>
<li data-section-id="75u6l4" data-start="695" data-end="828">How strong delusion, lying signs and wonders, and end-times deception should shape the way believers process disclosure narratives.</li>
<li data-section-id="l8ni80" data-start="830" data-end="956">Why charismatic platform culture can become dangerous when urgency outruns humility, verification, and the fear of the Lord.</li>
<li data-section-id="1vill3o" data-start="958" data-end="1087" data-is-last-node="">The three discernment questions every believer should ask before repeating a claim, sharing a clip, or trusting a public voice.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
Colossians 1:15-16
&ldquo;He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through him and for him.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
Application: Colossians 1 gives believers the anchor for this entire conversation. The world may call it UFO disclosure, UAP disclosure, extraterrestrial life, interdimensional beings, or non-human intelligence, but Scripture already tells us that all things visible and invisible were created by Christ and for Christ. Nothing in heaven, on earth, or in any unseen realm exists outside His authority. Christians do not need to panic when strange things are revealed, but they do need to interpret every claim through Scripture, discernment, and submission to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Timestamps
0:02 &mdash; Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 1:17 &mdash; Disclosure Is Coming: Is the Church Ready? 8:44 &mdash; Two Extremes in the Church on UAP Disclosure 13:16 &mdash; Vision: Priests Withhold Fire From the World 17:33 &mdash; Psychological Warfare and Intimacy With Jesus 24:06 &mdash; Who Was in the Room, and Who Wasn&rsquo;t 30:26 &mdash; Ragland, Perry Stone, and Burleson&rsquo;s Call 35:56 &mdash; Why Only Charismatic Leaders Were Invited 45:38 &mdash; The Lilith Principality: What&rsquo;s Really at Work 52:20 &mdash; Ragland&rsquo;s Viral Claim: What He Got Wrong 58:33 &mdash; 3 Questions for Discernment: Who, What, Fact 1:05:20 &mdash; Part 2: Vatican, Project Blue Beam, UAP Craft 1:12:08 &mdash; 2 Thessalonians 2: The Warning of Strong Delusion 1:19:03 &mdash; Genesis 6 and Nephilim: The Context You Need 1:25:10 &mdash; Part 2 Is Coming: Do the Research
 Resources and Connect
Jenny Embrey:
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5635" data-end="5684">https://www.instagram.com/jennyembrey</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher" data-start="5697" data-end="5745">https://www.facebook.com/jenny.goncher</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher" data-start="5757" data-end="5798">https://www.youtube.com/@jennygoncher</a>
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="5584" data-end="5621">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5635" data-end="5684">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="5697" data-end="5745">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe" data-start="5757" data-end="5798">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a data-start="5808" data-end="5840">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500" data-start="5892" data-end="5959">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5973" data-end="6012">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> A House of Health: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth" data-start="6034" data-end="6074">https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial" data-start="6087" data-end="6130">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/theleahsteele" data-start="6136" data-end="6163">https://x.com/theleahsteele</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="6210" data-end="6294">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="6309" data-end="6336">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="6350" data-end="6394">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="6412" data-end="6449">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="6462" data-end="6520">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
UAP Disclosure. UAP is commonly used in current government and public conversations about unidentified anomalous phenomena or unidentified aerial phenomena. In this episode, the concern is how Christians should respond to claims about UAP disclosure without falling into panic, mockery, gullibility, or denial.
Lilith. Lilith is discussed in this episode as a principality connected to division, humiliation, rebellion, emasculation, and the distortion of male and female order. Malaine and Jenny connect this spiritual warfare framework to the public unraveling, disunity, and absence of women from major discernment conversations.
Cape Girardeau Crash. Jenny references the alleged Cape Girardeau UFO crash connected to Reverend William Huffman. She discusses its regional significance and relationship to broader conversations about supernatural phenomena, spiritual geography, and discernment.
&nbsp;
Scriptures for Further Study
Genesis 6:1-4. The sons of God take the daughters of men, and the Nephilim appear in the earth, giving biblical context for ancient non-human intelligence.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-11. Paul warns of power, signs, lying wonders, deception, and strong delusion connected to the working of Satan.
Matthew 24:24. Jesus warns that false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders so convincing that even the elect could be deceived.
2 Peter 2:1. Peter warns that false teachers will secretly introduce destructive heresies among the people of God.
Jeremiah 33:3. The Lord invites His people to call on Him and promises to show great and hidden things they do not know.
James 1:5. Believers are invited to ask God for wisdom, trusting that He gives generously to those who seek Him.
Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.
 If you felt a check in your spirit when the UAP disclosure conversation started spreading across the Christian internet, do not ignore it. Take it to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask who is speaking, what they actually know, what they witnessed firsthand, and where interpretation has been dressed up as fact.
Subscribe now so you do not miss Part 2. Sign up for the Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="12614" data-end="12651">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.
Share this episode with the friend who loves Jesus, sees the deception building, and knows the church needs more than denial, fear, or charismatic clickbait.
#UFODisclosure #UAPDisclosure #Nephilim #Genesis6 #StrongDelusion #SpiritualWarfare #NonHumanIntelligence #EndTimesDiscernment #SupernaturalBible #FaithOnTheFringe
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UFO Disclosure Already Has a Foothold in the Church - and What's Hidden Underneath the Meetings Is Much Darker

Listener pushback on our Substack content

Leaders must educate themselves: the case

Your pastor only knows what they researched

Pre-Adamic theories: how we do the work

Our research process and open-door policy

Changing your mind isn't weakness

James 3:1: teachers face a stricter judgment

When education became indoctrination

Why strong reactions reveal deeper programming

We're not anti-church. We're pro-discernment

Go directly to Jesus, not just your leader

Papyrus 66: the Mary/Martha textual change

Malaine's Bible translation revelation

Inspired by God, handled by humans

Laodicea and the power of historical context

Engage with curiosity, not offense

Pray for discernment about what's for you

The church has a biblical research problem.

James 3:1 puts leaders under a stricter standard of judgment, and that standard has no exemption for “I was taught this way.” Biblical research is not optional for anyone handing theology to other people. It is an obligation.

In this episode, Leah and Malaine lay out the case for Christian education as an act of obedience. They trace the political history of Bible canonization, examine what Papyrus 66 reveals about textual changes in Scripture, and investigate what the Ethiopian Bible, including the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch, contains that Western Christianity quietly set aside.

They also walk through the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and broader biblical apocrypha, examining early theology and eschatology that shaped the church long before modern denominations decided what counted as canon.

Christian discernment and spiritual discernment both require source material. False doctrine spreads when leaders skip the research. This episode is the case for doing the work and handing people something you have actually investigated.

“Historical context does not weaken Scripture. It helps us understand what was actually being said.” -Malaine Lea Butler

Key Takeaways
James 3:1 places Bible teachers, pastors, and spiritual leaders under a stricter standard of judgment, making biblical research an obligation for anyone teaching doctrine.
Many Christians defend inherited theology, Bible translations, and end-times positions without knowing where those beliefs came from or who shaped them.
Bible canonization, the Ethiopian Bible, the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, and biblical apocrypha raise serious questions about what Western Christianity quietly set aside.
Papyrus 66 raises important questions about textual transmission, including the Mary and Martha issue in the Lazarus narrative and why manuscript history matters.
Healthy Christian discernment requires Scripture, prayer, source material, humility, historical context, and direct dependence on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Featured Scripture

James 3:1

“Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.”

Application: James 3:1 should sober every believer who teaches, preaches, pastors, mentors, or interprets Scripture for others. Leadership in the body of Christ is not a platform for borrowed theology or inherited certainty. Teachers carry responsibility before the Lord for what they hand to His people. That means doctrine should be researched, tested, prayed through, and handled with fear of the Lord rather than confidence in tradition alone.

Timestamps

0:00 – Welcome to Faith on the Fringe
0:48 – Listener Pushback on Our Substack Content
1:06 – Leaders Must Educate Themselves
3:49 – Your Pastor Only Knows What They Researched
4:39 – Pre-Adamic Theories: How We Do the Work
10:24 – Our Research Process and Open-Door Policy
15:12 – Changing Your Mind Isn’t Weakness
17:57 – James 3:1: Teachers Face a Stricter Judgment
21:14 – When Education Became Indoctrination
25:24 – Why Strong Reactions Reveal Deeper Programming
28:42 – We’re Not Anti-Church. We’re Pro-Discernment
32:32 – Go Directly to Jesus, Not Just Your Leader
35:32 – Papyrus 66: The Mary/Martha Textual Change
40:16 – Malaine’s Bible Translation Revelation
43:54 – Inspired by God, Handled by Humans
47:03 – Laodicea and the Power of Historical Context
56:49 – Engage With Curiosity, Not Offense
1:01:35 – Pray for Discernment About What’s for You

Resources and Connect

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
The Fring on Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Papyrus 66. An early manuscript of the Gospel of John discussed in connection with the Mary and Martha textual issue in the Lazarus narrative and the importance of studying manuscript history.

The Ethiopian Bible. Referenced as a broader biblical canon that includes texts Western Protestant Christianity does not include in its 66-book canon.

The Book of Enoch. Discussed as part of the Ethiopian biblical tradition and as an important text for conversations around ancient theology, watchers, supernatural worldview, and Pre-Adamic questions.

The Book of Jubilees. Referenced as one of the books included in the Ethiopian Bible that provides additional historical and theological context.

The Book of Judith. Mentioned as a powerful text, especially for women, and as part of the wider biblical tradition preserved outside the Protestant canon.

The Book of Maccabees. Referenced as one of the texts included in some Christian traditions but excluded from the Protestant canon.

The Gospel of Mary Magdalene. Discussed in connection with early Christian theology, the role of Mary Magdalene, and questions around why certain texts were pushed out of the canon.

Laodicea. Referenced from Revelation 3 as an example of why historical and geographic context matters when interpreting Scripture.

The Bereans. Referenced as the biblical model for believers who receive teaching with eagerness but search the Scriptures for themselves.

Blue Letter Bible. Mentioned as a tool for pronunciation, biblical language study, and deeper Scripture research.



Scriptures for Further Study

James 3:1. James warns that not many should become teachers because those who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

Acts 17:11. The Bereans received the word with eagerness and searched the Scriptures daily to see whether what they were being taught was true.

Revelation 3:14-22. Jesus addresses the church in Laodicea, using language connected to the local context of lukewarm water, wealth, blindness, and eye salve.

Philippians 2:12. Paul tells believers to work out their salvation with fear and trembling, reminding Christians that obedience requires reverence before the Lord.

1 John 4:1. Believers are commanded to test the spirits to see whether they are from God.

2 Timothy 2:15. Paul instructs Timothy to rightly handle the word of truth.

John 10:27. Jesus says His sheep hear His voice, reminding believers that discernment is rooted in direct relationship with Him.

Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of spiritual ignorance.

Proverbs 25:2. It is the glory of God to conceal things and the glory of kings to search them out.

Jeremiah 33:3. The Lord invites His people to call to Him and promises to answer and show great and hidden things.


If you teach it, preach it, prophesy it, build doctrine around it, or hand it to the body of Christ, you need to have researched it.

Take your theology to the Lord. Open the Word. Look at the source material. Study the history. Ask where the doctrine came from, who shaped it, what was removed, what was preserved, and what assumptions you may have inherited without ever testing.

The Holy Spirit is not threatened by honest research. Jesus is not offended by sincere questions. And truth does not need fear, offense, or religious control to defend it.

Subscribe now so you don’t miss a thing. Sign up for the Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.

Share this episode with the believer, pastor, teacher, Bible nerd, or spiritually curious friend who knows it is time to stop repeating inherited theology and start doing the work.




#BiblicalResearch #BibleCanon #EthiopianBible #BookOfEnoch #Papyrus66 #ChristianDiscernment #SpiritualDiscernment #BibleStudy #ChurchHistory #FaithOnTheFringe

The church has a biblical research problem.
James 3:1 puts leaders under a stricter standard of judgment, and that standard has no exemption for &ldquo;I was taught this way.&rdquo; Biblical research is not optional for anyone handing theology to other people. It is an obligation.
In this episode, Leah and Malaine lay out the case for Christian education as an act of obedience. They trace the political history of Bible canonization, examine what Papyrus 66 reveals about textual changes in Scripture, and investigate what the Ethiopian Bible, including the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch, contains that Western Christianity quietly set aside.
They also walk through the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and broader biblical apocrypha, examining early theology and eschatology that shaped the church long before modern denominations decided what counted as canon.
Christian discernment and spiritual discernment both require source material. False doctrine spreads when leaders skip the research. This episode is the case for doing the work and handing people something you have actually investigated.
<blockquote>
&ldquo;Historical context does not weaken Scripture. It helps us understand what was actually being said.&rdquo; -Malaine Lea Butler
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul data-start="1373" data-end="2937">
<li data-section-id="tmq3dx" data-start="115" data-end="288">James 3:1 places Bible teachers, pastors, and spiritual leaders under a stricter standard of judgment, making biblical research an obligation for anyone teaching doctrine.</li>
<li data-section-id="e8124g" data-start="290" data-end="444">Many Christians defend inherited theology, Bible translations, and end-times positions without knowing where those beliefs came from or who shaped them.</li>
<li data-section-id="1u2pu0d" data-start="446" data-end="627">Bible canonization, the Ethiopian Bible, the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, and biblical apocrypha raise serious questions about what Western Christianity quietly set aside.</li>
<li data-section-id="1dg55mx" data-start="629" data-end="793">Papyrus 66 raises important questions about textual transmission, including the Mary and Martha issue in the Lazarus narrative and why manuscript history matters.</li>
<li data-section-id="1ih9y87" data-start="795" data-end="949" data-is-last-node="">Healthy Christian discernment requires Scripture, prayer, source material, humility, historical context, and direct dependence on the Lord Jesus Christ.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
James 3:1
&ldquo;Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
Application: James 3:1 should sober every believer who teaches, preaches, pastors, mentors, or interprets Scripture for others. Leadership in the body of Christ is not a platform for borrowed theology or inherited certainty. Teachers carry responsibility before the Lord for what they hand to His people. That means doctrine should be researched, tested, prayed through, and handled with fear of the Lord rather than confidence in tradition alone.
Timestamps
0:00 &ndash; Welcome to Faith on the Fringe 0:48 &ndash; Listener Pushback on Our Substack Content 1:06 &ndash; Leaders Must Educate Themselves 3:49 &ndash; Your Pastor Only Knows What They Researched 4:39 &ndash; Pre-Adamic Theories: How We Do the Work 10:24 &ndash; Our Research Process and Open-Door Policy 15:12 &ndash; Changing Your Mind Isn&rsquo;t Weakness 17:57 &ndash; James 3:1: Teachers Face a Stricter Judgment 21:14 &ndash; When Education Became Indoctrination 25:24 &ndash; Why Strong Reactions Reveal Deeper Programming 28:42 &ndash; We&rsquo;re Not Anti-Church. We&rsquo;re Pro-Discernment 32:32 &ndash; Go Directly to Jesus, Not Just Your Leader 35:32 &ndash; Papyrus 66: The Mary/Martha Textual Change 40:16 &ndash; Malaine&rsquo;s Bible Translation Revelation 43:54 &ndash; Inspired by God, Handled by Humans 47:03 &ndash; Laodicea and the Power of Historical Context 56:49 &ndash; Engage With Curiosity, Not Offense 1:01:35 &ndash; Pray for Discernment About What&rsquo;s for You
Resources and Connect
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="4512" data-end="4549">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> The Fring on Facebook group: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb">https://www.facebook.com/groups/thefringeonfb</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4563" data-end="4612">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4625" data-end="4673">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe" data-start="4685" data-end="4726">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a data-start="4736" data-end="4768">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500" data-start="4820" data-end="4887">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele" data-start="4901" data-end="4940">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> A House of Health: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth" data-start="4962" data-end="5002">https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial" data-start="5015" data-end="5058">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5064" data-end="5091">https://x.com/theleahsteele</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="5138" data-end="5222">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="5237" data-end="5264">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="5278" data-end="5322">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="5340" data-end="5377">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="5390" data-end="5448">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Papyrus 66. An early manuscript of the Gospel of John discussed in connection with the Mary and Martha textual issue in the Lazarus narrative and the importance of studying manuscript history.
The Ethiopian Bible. Referenced as a broader biblical canon that includes texts Western Protestant Christianity does not include in its 66-book canon.
The Book of Enoch. Discussed as part of the Ethiopian biblical tradition and as an important text for conversations around ancient theology, watchers, supernatural worldview, and Pre-Adamic questions.
The Book of Jubilees. Referenced as one of the books included in the Ethiopian Bible that provides additional historical and theological context.
The Book of Judith. Mentioned as a powerful text, especially for women, and as part of the wider biblical tradition preserved outside the Protestant canon.
The Book of Maccabees. Referenced as one of the texts included in some Christian traditions but excluded from the Protestant canon.
The Gospel of Mary Magdalene. Discussed in connection with early Christian theology, the role of Mary Magdalene, and questions around why certain texts were pushed out of the canon.
Laodicea. Referenced from Revelation 3 as an example of why historical and geographic context matters when interpreting Scripture.
The Bereans. Referenced as the biblical model for believers who receive teaching with eagerness but search the Scriptures for themselves.
Blue Letter Bible. Mentioned as a tool for pronunciation, biblical language study, and deeper Scripture research. 
Scriptures for Further Study
James 3:1. James warns that not many should become teachers because those who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
Acts 17:11. The Bereans received the word with eagerness and searched the Scriptures daily to see whether what they were being taught was true.
Revelation 3:14-22. Jesus addresses the church in Laodicea, using language connected to the local context of lukewarm water, wealth, blindness, and eye salve.
Philippians 2:12. Paul tells believers to work out their salvation with fear and trembling, reminding Christians that obedience requires reverence before the Lord.
1 John 4:1. Believers are commanded to test the spirits to see whether they are from God.
2 Timothy 2:15. Paul instructs Timothy to rightly handle the word of truth.
John 10:27. Jesus says His sheep hear His voice, reminding believers that discernment is rooted in direct relationship with Him.
Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of spiritual ignorance.
Proverbs 25:2. It is the glory of God to conceal things and the glory of kings to search them out.
Jeremiah 33:3. The Lord invites His people to call to Him and promises to answer and show great and hidden things.
 If you teach it, preach it, prophesy it, build doctrine around it, or hand it to the body of Christ, you need to have researched it.
Take your theology to the Lord. Open the Word. Look at the source material. Study the history. Ask where the doctrine came from, who shaped it, what was removed, what was preserved, and what assumptions you may have inherited without ever testing.
The Holy Spirit is not threatened by honest research. Jesus is not offended by sincere questions. And truth does not need fear, offense, or religious control to defend it.
Subscribe now so you don&rsquo;t miss a thing. Sign up for the Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="9189" data-end="9226">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.
Share this episode with the believer, pastor, teacher, Bible nerd, or spiritually curious friend who knows it is time to stop repeating inherited theology and start doing the work. 
#BiblicalResearch #BibleCanon #EthiopianBible #BookOfEnoch #Papyrus66 #ChristianDiscernment #SpiritualDiscernment #BibleStudy #ChurchHistory #FaithOnTheFringe

If You Teach or Preach It, You'd Better Have Researched It

Intro: Faith on the Fringe

Is This Teaching Actually Biblical?

Ephesians 4: What It Actually Says

The Hierarchy Claim: Who Gets Authority?

What Happens When You Question This?

The Word Until Changes Everything

Gifts of Persons, Not Titles or Offices

The Phrase That's Not in Your Bible

Where the Term Really Came From

British Israelism & Christian Nationalism

Latter Rain & New Apostolic Reformation

What Paul Was Actually Describing

Jesus on Servant Leadership

The Gentile Model Jesus Rejected

How the Enemy Works Inside the Church

The Occult Parallel No One Wants to See

Gatekeeping Access to God

When Questioning = Rebellion: Red Flag

The New Denomination No One Admits

3 Questions to Test Any Church Teaching

Soul Ties Renunciation Prayer

Christ Is Enough. You Don't Need the System.

What if one of the most widely taught leadership frameworks in charismatic Christianity was never actually in the Bible? The Racist Roots of the Five Fold Ministry: How British Israelism Shaped Modern Charismatic Church Structure.

In this episode of Faith on the Fringe, Leah and Malaine trace the hidden history of the Five Fold Ministry, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers hierarchy taught across many Pentecostal and charismatic spaces. They begin with Ephesians 4, and how one section of Scripture became the foundation for an entire church government model. From there, they follow the language of Five Fold Ministry back through British Israelism, John Alexander Dowie, the Latter Rain movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.

This conversation exposes how a modern framework became dressed in ancient apostolic language, why servant leadership matters, how spiritual authority can turn into control, and why believers must learn to trace teachings back to their roots.

They also close with a practical three-question framework for testing any church teaching, plus a soul ties renunciation prayer for anyone who has been spiritually bound to unhealthy authority structures.

Link to the soul tie renunciation prayer here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOOPfOrV4kpNfuYdfxsVNruoz06upFityEc0SdOlzqc/edit?usp=sharing

“Truth does not need protection from scrutiny. Only deception does.”

-Leah Steele Barnett

Key Takeaways
The phrase Five Fold Ministry does not appear in Scripture, even though Ephesians 4 is often used to defend the framework.
Ephesians 4 describes gifts given to equip the body of Christ, not a hierarchy of spiritual offices ruling over the church.
The word “until” in Ephesians 4 matters because it points toward maturity in the body, not permanent institutional control.
The modern Five Fold Ministry framework traces through historical streams many believers have never been taught to examine.
British Israelism shaped parts of early restorationist and Pentecostal language in ways that still echo through modern charismatic systems.
The New Apostolic Reformation systematized Fivefold language into a global church leadership model.
Jesus taught servant leadership, humility, and direct access to the Father, not spiritual gatekeeping through human offices.
Any teaching presented as biblical truth should be tested by Scripture, history, fruit, and whether it builds up the whole body of Christ.

Featured Scripture

Ephesians 4:11-13

“So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.”

Application: Ephesians 4 is the central passage used to defend Five Fold Ministry, but the text itself points toward equipping the saints and building the body into maturity. It does not name a permanent hierarchy. It does not use the phrase Five Fold Ministry. It does not place apostles at the top of a governmental chain. The passage is beautiful, functional, and body-focused. The problem begins when a framework is laid over the text and treated as if it is the text.

Timestamps

0:00 – Intro: Faith on the Fringe
0:51 – Is This Teaching Actually Biblical?
2:36 – Ephesians 4: What It Actually Says
4:09 – The Hierarchy Claim: Who Gets Authority?
5:26 – What Happens When You Question This?
8:55 – The Word Until Changes Everything
13:27 – Gifts of Persons, Not Titles or Offices
18:26 – The Phrase That's Not in Your Bible
20:04 – Where the Term Really Came From
24:09 – British Israelism & Christian Nationalism
27:45 – Latter Rain & New Apostolic Reformation
33:08 – What Paul Was Actually Describing
38:05 – Jesus on Servant Leadership
40:55 – The Gentile Model Jesus Rejected
47:17 – How the Enemy Works Inside the Church
50:15 – The Occult Parallel No One Wants to See
54:57 – Gatekeeping Access to God
1:01:38 – When Questioning = Rebellion: Red Flag
1:06:32 – The New Denomination No One Admits
1:12:44 – 3 Questions to Test Any Church Teaching
1:19:51 – Soul Ties Renunciation Prayer
1:33:05 – Christ Is Enough. You Don't Need the System.

Resources and Connect

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

Amazon Storefront: https://amzn.to/3WscgNe
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Five Fold Ministry. A modern term used to describe apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers from Ephesians 4 as five governing offices in the church.

British Israelism. A 19th-century racial covenant theology claiming that Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and Germanic peoples were the literal biological descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.

John Alexander Dowie. Healing revivalist and founder of Zion, Illinois, whose movement absorbed British Israelite ideas and influenced early Pentecostal streams.

Latter Rain Movement. A 1948 revival movement connected to restored apostles, prophets, impartation, and the language that later fed into modern charismatic and apostolic systems.

C. Peter Wagner. Theologian and church growth leader who popularized and systematized the language of the New Apostolic Reformation in the late 20th century.

New Apostolic Reformation. A modern apostolic and prophetic church movement that emphasizes restored apostles, prophets, church governance, spiritual authority, and cultural influence.

2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity by Eddie L. Hyatt. Mentioned as a resource for understanding charismatic history and how spiritual gifts, revival movements, and restorationist ideas developed over time.

Scriptures for Further Study

Ephesians 4:11-13. Christ gives apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers to equip the saints, build up the body, and bring believers into maturity.

Matthew 23:8-12. Jesus warns against religious titles that elevate one person over another and teaches that the greatest among His people will be a servant.

Mark 10:35-45. Jesus rejects the Gentile model of rulers lording authority over others and teaches that greatness in the kingdom is expressed through servanthood.

John 13:3-17. Jesus washes His disciples’ feet, showing that true authority in the kingdom is rooted in humility, service, and love.

Psalm 68:18. Paul draws from this Psalm in Ephesians 4, presenting Christ as the victorious King who gives gifts to His people.

Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.

2 Corinthians 11:14. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, reminding believers that deception often appears beautiful, spiritual, and convincing.

If you have been part of a Five Fold Ministry structure, an apostolic covering, a prophetic network, or a church environment where questioning the system was treated as rebellion, take this to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask where the term came from. Ask who benefits from the framework. Ask whether the teaching builds maturity in the whole body or concentrates authority in a small group of people.

Christ is your covering. Christ is your intercessor. Christ is your access to the Father. You do not need a human apostle to stand between you and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Subscribe now so you don't miss a thing! Sign up for the Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the standard American church is still avoiding.

Share this episode with the friend who has been told that asking honest questions is rebellion.


#PentecostalChurch #CharismaticChurch #ApostolicChurch #SpiritualDeception #FalseTeachers #Discernment #ChurchHistory #NAR #ApostolicReformation #PropheticMovement #SupernaturalBible

What if one of the most widely taught leadership frameworks in charismatic Christianity was never actually in the Bible? The Racist Roots of the Five Fold Ministry: How British Israelism Shaped Modern Charismatic Church Structure.
In this episode of Faith on the Fringe, Leah and Malaine trace the hidden history of the Five Fold Ministry, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers hierarchy taught across many Pentecostal and charismatic spaces. They begin with Ephesians 4, and how one section of Scripture became the foundation for an entire church government model. From there, they follow the language of Five Fold Ministry back through British Israelism, John Alexander Dowie, the Latter Rain movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.
This conversation exposes how a modern framework became dressed in ancient apostolic language, why servant leadership matters, how spiritual authority can turn into control, and why believers must learn to trace teachings back to their roots.
They also close with a practical three-question framework for testing any church teaching, plus a soul ties renunciation prayer for anyone who has been spiritually bound to unhealthy authority structures. Link to the soul tie renunciation prayer here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOOPfOrV4kpNfuYdfxsVNruoz06upFityEc0SdOlzqc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BOOPfOrV4kpNfuYdfxsVNruoz06upFityEc0SdOlzqc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
<blockquote>
&ldquo;Truth does not need protection from scrutiny. Only deception does.&rdquo;
-Leah Steele Barnett
</blockquote>
Key Takeaways
<ul data-start="1668" data-end="2687">
<li data-section-id="1itxk6n" data-start="1668" data-end="1791">The phrase Five Fold Ministry does not appear in Scripture, even though Ephesians 4 is often used to defend the framework.</li>
<li data-section-id="tf7njd" data-start="1793" data-end="1918">Ephesians 4 describes gifts given to equip the body of Christ, not a hierarchy of spiritual offices ruling over the church.</li>
<li data-section-id="1qqgzhk" data-start="1920" data-end="2045">The word &ldquo;until&rdquo; in Ephesians 4 matters because it points toward maturity in the body, not permanent institutional control.</li>
<li data-section-id="1msk2fp" data-start="2047" data-end="2171">The modern Five Fold Ministry framework traces through historical streams many believers have never been taught to examine.</li>
<li data-section-id="1d07tlr" data-start="2173" data-end="2314">British Israelism shaped parts of early restorationist and Pentecostal language in ways that still echo through modern charismatic systems.</li>
<li data-section-id="13fmwf9" data-start="2316" data-end="2417">The New Apostolic Reformation systematized Fivefold language into a global church leadership model.</li>
<li data-section-id="qv59qt" data-start="2419" data-end="2545">Jesus taught servant leadership, humility, and direct access to the Father, not spiritual gatekeeping through human offices.</li>
<li data-section-id="1rq520a" data-start="2547" data-end="2687">Any teaching presented as biblical truth should be tested by Scripture, history, fruit, and whether it builds up the whole body of Christ.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
Ephesians 4:11-13
&ldquo;So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
Application: Ephesians 4 is the central passage used to defend Five Fold Ministry, but the text itself points toward equipping the saints and building the body into maturity. It does not name a permanent hierarchy. It does not use the phrase Five Fold Ministry. It does not place apostles at the top of a governmental chain. The passage is beautiful, functional, and body-focused. The problem begins when a framework is laid over the text and treated as if it is the text.
Timestamps
0:00 &ndash; Intro: Faith on the Fringe 0:51 &ndash; Is This Teaching Actually Biblical? 2:36 &ndash; Ephesians 4: What It Actually Says 4:09 &ndash; The Hierarchy Claim: Who Gets Authority? 5:26 &ndash; What Happens When You Question This? 8:55 &ndash; The Word Until Changes Everything 13:27 &ndash; Gifts of Persons, Not Titles or Offices 18:26 &ndash; The Phrase That's Not in Your Bible 20:04 &ndash; Where the Term Really Came From 24:09 &ndash; British Israelism &amp; Christian Nationalism 27:45 &ndash; Latter Rain &amp; New Apostolic Reformation 33:08 &ndash; What Paul Was Actually Describing 38:05 &ndash; Jesus on Servant Leadership 40:55 &ndash; The Gentile Model Jesus Rejected 47:17 &ndash; How the Enemy Works Inside the Church 50:15 &ndash; The Occult Parallel No One Wants to See 54:57 &ndash; Gatekeeping Access to God 1:01:38 &ndash; When Questioning = Rebellion: Red Flag 1:06:32 &ndash; The New Denomination No One Admits 1:12:44 &ndash; 3 Questions to Test Any Church Teaching 1:19:51 &ndash; Soul Ties Renunciation Prayer 1:33:05 &ndash; Christ Is Enough. You Don't Need the System.
Resources and Connect
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="4626" data-end="4663">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4677" data-end="4726">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4739" data-end="4787">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe" data-start="4799" data-end="4840">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a data-start="4850" data-end="4882">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
Amazon Storefront: <a href="https://amzn.to/3WscgNe" data-start="4925" data-end="4948">https://amzn.to/3WscgNe</a> The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500" data-start="4977" data-end="5044">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5058" data-end="5097">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> A House of Health: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth" data-start="5119" data-end="5159">https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial" data-start="5172" data-end="5215">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5221" data-end="5248">https://x.com/theleahsteele</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="5293" data-end="5377">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="5392" data-end="5419">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="5433" data-end="5477">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="5495" data-end="5532">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="5545" data-end="5603">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Five Fold Ministry. A modern term used to describe apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers from Ephesians 4 as five governing offices in the church.
British Israelism. A 19th-century racial covenant theology claiming that Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and Germanic peoples were the literal biological descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.
John Alexander Dowie. Healing revivalist and founder of Zion, Illinois, whose movement absorbed British Israelite ideas and influenced early Pentecostal streams.
Latter Rain Movement. A 1948 revival movement connected to restored apostles, prophets, impartation, and the language that later fed into modern charismatic and apostolic systems.
C. Peter Wagner. Theologian and church growth leader who popularized and systematized the language of the New Apostolic Reformation in the late 20th century.
New Apostolic Reformation. A modern apostolic and prophetic church movement that emphasizes restored apostles, prophets, church governance, spiritual authority, and cultural influence.
2000 Years of Charismatic Christianity by Eddie L. Hyatt. Mentioned as a resource for understanding charismatic history and how spiritual gifts, revival movements, and restorationist ideas developed over time.
Scriptures for Further Study
Ephesians 4:11-13. Christ gives apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers to equip the saints, build up the body, and bring believers into maturity.
Matthew 23:8-12. Jesus warns against religious titles that elevate one person over another and teaches that the greatest among His people will be a servant.
Mark 10:35-45. Jesus rejects the Gentile model of rulers lording authority over others and teaches that greatness in the kingdom is expressed through servanthood.
John 13:3-17. Jesus washes His disciples&rsquo; feet, showing that true authority in the kingdom is rooted in humility, service, and love.
Psalm 68:18. Paul draws from this Psalm in Ephesians 4, presenting Christ as the victorious King who gives gifts to His people.
Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.
2 Corinthians 11:14. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, reminding believers that deception often appears beautiful, spiritual, and convincing.
If you have been part of a Five Fold Ministry structure, an apostolic covering, a prophetic network, or a church environment where questioning the system was treated as rebellion, take this to the Lord. Open the Word. Ask where the term came from. Ask who benefits from the framework. Ask whether the teaching builds maturity in the whole body or concentrates authority in a small group of people.
Christ is your covering. Christ is your intercessor. Christ is your access to the Father. You do not need a human apostle to stand between you and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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If Questioning Your Pastor is a Sin, You're in a Control System

Introduction: Faith on the Fringe

Deception in the Church: The Warning

Meet Hector Gonzalez: Theology Wars

Hector's Story: Santeria & Spiritual War

Equipping Christians to Defend Their Faith

Why Christians Don't Know What They Believe

The Python Spirit Pattern in Church

How Church Leaders Fall Into Pride & Sin

Wolves in the Church: Intentional?

Red Flags: Control & Manipulation

What Is Heresy? Navigating Denominations

The Future of the Church: New Structures

Deconstruction & the Modern Church Crisis

Why Christians Are Walking Away From Faith

How to Spot False Leaders: Red Flags

What Healthy Church Leadership Looks Like

How to Pursue God With Discernment

What if the most dangerous deception in the church is wearing Christian language, quoting Scripture, and calling itself discernment?

In this episode of Faith on the Fringe, Leah and Malaine sit down with Hector Gonzalez, evangelist, founder of Theology Wars, and one of the boldest voices confronting spiritual deception inside modern Christianity today. Hector came to faith at 15 after surviving abuse connected to the church, grew up with Santeria in his family lineage, and has spent years in missions, evangelism, spiritual warfare, and theological training. He brings the kind of perspective this conversation demands: spirit-filled, biblically serious, and unwilling to flatter a broken church system.

Together, they talk about Christian witchcraft, false prophets, spiritual narcissism, religious trauma, charismatic manipulation, the Python spirit in Acts 16, Jezebel, church hurt, Christian deconstruction, and why so many believers can sense something is wrong but do not always have the language to name it.

This conversation is a call to test the fruit, search the Scriptures, and stop confusing supernatural performance with submission to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Featured Quote

“The biggest, most protective thing that you could do in your life is to actually seriously follow God.”

-Hector Gonzalez

 

Listen to Hector's episode with Leah on The Culture Cast - https://pod.link/1797035500/episode/ODljOWY5OTctNDJmMS00NjYxLWI5NzUtYjM5MzAwYzY2N2Nj

Key Takeaways
False prophets are not always easy to spot, especially when they know how to use Christian language, spiritual authority, and charismatic performance.
The Python spirit in Acts 16 gives believers a biblical pattern for testing what sounds true but may be operating from the wrong spirit.
Spiritual narcissism thrives when leaders become untouchable, unquestionable, and protected by the very systems they are supposed to shepherd.
Church hurt and religious trauma are driving many people into Christian deconstruction, especially when counterfeit spirituality misrepresents Jesus.
Charismatic witchcraft is not the same as the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The gifts are real, but they must remain fully submitted to Christ.
Healthy leadership welcomes honest questions, biblical accountability, transparency, and correction.
Discernment grows through intimacy with the Lord, knowledge of Scripture, and the courage to test the fruit without falling into fear.

Featured Scripture

Acts 16:16-18

“As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. She followed Paul and us, crying out, ‘These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.’ And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, ‘I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.’ And it came out that very hour.”

Application: The girl in Acts 16 was saying words that sounded true, but Paul still discerned the spirit behind them. That matters deeply in the modern charismatic church. Accuracy alone does not prove purity. Supernatural language does not prove submission. Believers are called to test the spirit, examine the fruit, and stay anchored to the Lord Jesus Christ rather than being moved by gifting, intensity, or platform.

Timestamps

0:00 – Introduction: Faith on the Fringe
0:48 – Deception in the Church: The Warning
2:25 – Meet Hector Gonzalez: Theology Wars
5:02 – Hector's Story: Santeria & Spiritual War
9:19 – Equipping Christians to Defend Their Faith
11:16 – Why Christians Don't Know What They Believe
15:40 – The Python Spirit Pattern in Church
24:37 – How Church Leaders Fall Into Pride & Sin
35:46 – Wolves in the Church: Intentional?
39:27 – Red Flags: Control & Manipulation
45:35 – What Is Heresy? Navigating Denominations
53:03 – The Future of the Church: New Structures
1:07:26 – Deconstruction & the Modern Church Crisis
1:10:04 – Why Christians Are Walking Away From Faith
1:24:43 – How to Spot False Leaders: Red Flags
1:33:01 – What Healthy Church Leadership Looks Like
1:41:55 – How to Pursue God With Discernment

Resources and Connect

Hector Gonzalez:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/patrioticpuertorican?igsh=dTQxMWkwa2t5ZDEz&utm_source=qr
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/17T9EiBUvi/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Theology Wars: https://theologywars.org/

Faith on the Fringe:

Substack: https://faithonthefringe.substack.com
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe
Email: help@faithonthefringepodcast.com

Leah Steele Barnett:

The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele
A House of Health: https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial
X: https://x.com/theleahsteele

Malaine Lea Butler:

Kingdom Talk Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951
Eden House: https://www.theedenhouse.co
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler
Eden House IG: https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Historical and Theological References

Santeria. A syncretistic spiritual system with roots in Yoruba religion and Roman Catholic imagery, discussed in connection with witchcraft, spiritual warfare, family lineage, and how occult practices can infiltrate Christian spaces.

The Python Spirit. Referenced from Acts 16, where Paul confronts a spirit of divination operating through a slave girl who was saying words that sounded true.

Jezebel Spirit. Discussed in connection with control, domination, seduction, manipulation, and spiritual rebellion inside church leadership and charismatic environments.

The Bereans. Referenced as the biblical model for believers who receive teaching but search the Scriptures for themselves rather than blindly trusting a teacher, pastor, prophet, or platform.

Scriptures for Further Study

Acts 16:16-18. Paul confronts a spirit of divination operating through a slave girl whose words sounded true, but whose source was not holy.

1 Thessalonians 5:23. Paul prays for complete sanctification of spirit, soul, and body, reminding believers that holiness touches the whole person.

Acts 17:11. The Bereans received teaching with eagerness but searched the Scriptures daily to test whether what they heard was true.

Acts 17:28. Paul quotes pagan poetry while preaching in Athens, showing that truth can be engaged thoughtfully without surrendering biblical authority.

Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.

1 Corinthians 14:26. Paul describes a gathering where believers bring hymns, teachings, revelations, tongues, and interpretations for the building up of the body.

 

If you have sensed something off in a church, ministry, prophetic environment, or charismatic space, do not bury that check in your spirit.

Take it to the Lord. Open the Word. Test the fruit. Ask better questions. Pay attention to what happens when leadership is challenged, when money is questioned, when repentance is required, and when private character is brought into the light.

The Holy Spirit is not threatened by discernment. Jesus is not offended by honest questions. And the gifts of the Spirit do not need manipulation, performance, or control to prove they are real.

Subscribe now so you don't miss a thing! Sign up for the Substack at https://faithonthefringe.substack.com for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.

Share this episode with the friend who loves the Holy Spirit but knows something in the modern charismatic church has gone deeply wrong.



#ChristianDeconstruction #ChurchHurt #DeliveranceMinistry #SpiritualDeception #CharismaticChurch #SupernaturalBible #HectorGonzalez #Discernment #SpiritualWarfare

What if the most dangerous deception in the church is wearing Christian language, quoting Scripture, and calling itself discernment?
In this episode of Faith on the Fringe, Leah and Malaine sit down with Hector Gonzalez, evangelist, founder of Theology Wars, and one of the boldest voices confronting spiritual deception inside modern Christianity today. Hector came to faith at 15 after surviving abuse connected to the church, grew up with Santeria in his family lineage, and has spent years in missions, evangelism, spiritual warfare, and theological training. He brings the kind of perspective this conversation demands: spirit-filled, biblically serious, and unwilling to flatter a broken church system.
Together, they talk about Christian witchcraft, false prophets, spiritual narcissism, religious trauma, charismatic manipulation, the Python spirit in Acts 16, Jezebel, church hurt, Christian deconstruction, and why so many believers can sense something is wrong but do not always have the language to name it.
This conversation is a call to test the fruit, search the Scriptures, and stop confusing supernatural performance with submission to the Lord Jesus Christ.
<blockquote>
Featured Quote
&ldquo;The biggest, most protective thing that you could do in your life is to actually seriously follow God.&rdquo;
-Hector Gonzalez
</blockquote>
&nbsp;
Listen to Hector's episode with Leah on The Culture Cast -&nbsp;<a href="https://pod.link/1797035500/episode/ODljOWY5OTctNDJmMS00NjYxLWI5NzUtYjM5MzAwYzY2N2Nj">https://pod.link/1797035500/episode/ODljOWY5OTctNDJmMS00NjYxLWI5NzUtYjM5MzAwYzY2N2Nj</a> Key Takeaways
<ul data-start="1488" data-end="2464">
<li data-section-id="4yhkmb" data-start="1488" data-end="1640">False prophets are not always easy to spot, especially when they know how to use Christian language, spiritual authority, and charismatic performance.</li>
<li data-section-id="njnwkf" data-start="1642" data-end="1780">The Python spirit in Acts 16 gives believers a biblical pattern for testing what sounds true but may be operating from the wrong spirit.</li>
<li data-section-id="1kzxy1y" data-start="1782" data-end="1926">Spiritual narcissism thrives when leaders become untouchable, unquestionable, and protected by the very systems they are supposed to shepherd.</li>
<li data-section-id="1hucidw" data-start="1928" data-end="2079">Church hurt and religious trauma are driving many people into Christian deconstruction, especially when counterfeit spirituality misrepresents Jesus.</li>
<li data-section-id="iett2d" data-start="2081" data-end="2222">Charismatic witchcraft is not the same as the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The gifts are real, but they must remain fully submitted to Christ.</li>
<li data-section-id="1xhxrq5" data-start="2224" data-end="2326">Healthy leadership welcomes honest questions, biblical accountability, transparency, and correction.</li>
<li data-section-id="1tm0mno" data-start="2328" data-end="2464">Discernment grows through intimacy with the Lord, knowledge of Scripture, and the courage to test the fruit without falling into fear.</li>
</ul>
Featured Scripture
<blockquote>
Acts 16:16-18
&ldquo;As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. She followed Paul and us, crying out, &lsquo;These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.&rsquo; And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, &lsquo;I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.&rsquo; And it came out that very hour.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
Application: The girl in Acts 16 was saying words that sounded true, but Paul still discerned the spirit behind them. That matters deeply in the modern charismatic church. Accuracy alone does not prove purity. Supernatural language does not prove submission. Believers are called to test the spirit, examine the fruit, and stay anchored to the Lord Jesus Christ rather than being moved by gifting, intensity, or platform.
Timestamps
0:00 &ndash; Introduction: Faith on the Fringe 0:48 &ndash; Deception in the Church: The Warning 2:25 &ndash; Meet Hector Gonzalez: Theology Wars 5:02 &ndash; Hector's Story: Santeria &amp; Spiritual War 9:19 &ndash; Equipping Christians to Defend Their Faith 11:16 &ndash; Why Christians Don't Know What They Believe 15:40 &ndash; The Python Spirit Pattern in Church 24:37 &ndash; How Church Leaders Fall Into Pride &amp; Sin 35:46 &ndash; Wolves in the Church: Intentional? 39:27 &ndash; Red Flags: Control &amp; Manipulation 45:35 &ndash; What Is Heresy? Navigating Denominations 53:03 &ndash; The Future of the Church: New Structures 1:07:26 &ndash; Deconstruction &amp; the Modern Church Crisis 1:10:04 &ndash; Why Christians Are Walking Away From Faith 1:24:43 &ndash; How to Spot False Leaders: Red Flags 1:33:01 &ndash; What Healthy Church Leadership Looks Like 1:41:55 &ndash; How to Pursue God With Discernment
Resources and Connect
Hector Gonzalez:
Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/patrioticpuertorican?igsh=dTQxMWkwa2t5ZDEz&amp;utm_source=qr" data-start="4600" data-end="4682">https://www.instagram.com/patrioticpuertorican?igsh=dTQxMWkwa2t5ZDEz&amp;utm_source=qr</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/17T9EiBUvi/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="4695" data-end="4753">https://www.facebook.com/share/17T9EiBUvi/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a> Theology Wars: <a href="https://theologywars.org/" data-start="4771" data-end="4796">https://theologywars.org/</a>
Faith on the Fringe:
Substack: <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="4313" data-end="4350">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4364" data-end="4413">https://www.instagram.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast" data-start="4426" data-end="4474">https://www.facebook.com/faithonthefringepodcast</a> YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe" data-start="4486" data-end="4527">https://www.youtube.com/@FaithontheFringe</a> Email: <a href="mailto:help@faithonthefringepodcast.com" data-start="4537" data-end="4569">help@faithonthefringepodcast.com</a>
Leah Steele Barnett:
The Cul✞ure Cast Podcast:&nbsp;<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500" data-start="4891" data-end="4958">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-culture-cast/id1797035500</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele" data-start="4972" data-end="5011">https://www.instagram.com/theleahsteele</a> A House of Health: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth" data-start="5033" data-end="5073">https://www.instagram.com/ahouseofhealth</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial" data-start="5086" data-end="5129">https://www.facebook.com/leahsteeleofficial</a> X: <a href="https://x.com/theleahsteele" data-start="5135" data-end="5162">https://x.com/theleahsteele</a>
Malaine Lea Butler:
Kingdom Talk Podcast: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951" data-start="5207" data-end="5291">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kingdom-talk-podcast-with-malaine/id1813854951</a> Eden House: <a href="https://www.theedenhouse.co" data-start="5306" data-end="5333">https://www.theedenhouse.co</a> Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler" data-start="5347" data-end="5391">https://www.instagram.com/malaine_lea_butler</a> Eden House IG: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse" data-start="5409" data-end="5446">https://www.instagram.com/xoedenhouse</a> Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr" data-start="5459" data-end="5517">https://www.facebook.com/share/15kz1zU1XL/?mibextid=wwXIfr</a>
Historical and Theological References
Santeria. A syncretistic spiritual system with roots in Yoruba religion and Roman Catholic imagery, discussed in connection with witchcraft, spiritual warfare, family lineage, and how occult practices can infiltrate Christian spaces.
The Python Spirit. Referenced from Acts 16, where Paul confronts a spirit of divination operating through a slave girl who was saying words that sounded true.
Jezebel Spirit. Discussed in connection with control, domination, seduction, manipulation, and spiritual rebellion inside church leadership and charismatic environments.
The Bereans. Referenced as the biblical model for believers who receive teaching but search the Scriptures for themselves rather than blindly trusting a teacher, pastor, prophet, or platform.
Scriptures for Further Study
Acts 16:16-18. Paul confronts a spirit of divination operating through a slave girl whose words sounded true, but whose source was not holy.
1 Thessalonians 5:23. Paul prays for complete sanctification of spirit, soul, and body, reminding believers that holiness touches the whole person.
Acts 17:11. The Bereans received teaching with eagerness but searched the Scriptures daily to test whether what they heard was true.
Acts 17:28. Paul quotes pagan poetry while preaching in Athens, showing that truth can be engaged thoughtfully without surrendering biblical authority.
Hosea 4:6. The Lord says His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, exposing the danger of ignorance among those called to know Him.
1 Corinthians 14:26. Paul describes a gathering where believers bring hymns, teachings, revelations, tongues, and interpretations for the building up of the body.
&nbsp;
If you have sensed something off in a church, ministry, prophetic environment, or charismatic space, do not bury that check in your spirit.
Take it to the Lord. Open the Word. Test the fruit. Ask better questions. Pay attention to what happens when leadership is challenged, when money is questioned, when repentance is required, and when private character is brought into the light.
The Holy Spirit is not threatened by discernment. Jesus is not offended by honest questions. And the gifts of the Spirit do not need manipulation, performance, or control to prove they are real.
Subscribe now so you don't miss a thing! Sign up for the Substack at <a href="https://faithonthefringe.substack.com" data-start="7894" data-end="7931">https://faithonthefringe.substack.com</a> for extended show notes, research deep dives, and the conversations the Standard American Church is still avoiding.
Share this episode with the friend who loves the Holy Spirit but knows something in the modern charismatic church has gone deeply wrong. 
#ChristianDeconstruction #ChurchHurt #DeliveranceMinistry #SpiritualDeception #CharismaticChurch #SupernaturalBible #HectorGonzalez #Discernment #SpiritualWarfare

Christian Witchcraft: False Prophets, Spiritual Narcissism & Religious Trauma w/ Hector Gonzalez

The Bible is stranger, darker, and more glorious than you were taught. Let's talk about it.

Faith on the Fringe is where Leah Steele Barnett and Malaine Lea Butler explore the supernatural biblical worldview that most modern churches have quietly shelved. Spirit-Filled. Bible-Obsessed. Slightly Unhinged.

The Divine Council. Fallen Watchers. The Nephilim. Pre-flood history. Spiritual warfare with real teeth. We bring the scholarship, the Spirit, and zero religious performance.

We are not doom-scrolling through Revelation or building bunkers. This is a Kingdom-forward conversation rooted in the belief that God's story is bigger, wilder, and more victorious than mainstream theology has made room for.

For the believers who never stopped asking questions. For the Christ-followers who want the whole Bible, not just the comfortable parts.



MEET THE HOSTS OF FAITH ON THE FRINGE

LEAH STEELE BARNETT

Faith-led cultural commentator, AI educator, and host of The Culture Cast operating at the intersection of technology, culture, and Kingdom stewardship. She examines cultural deception, belief systems, and power structures through a biblical lens. She is pattern-oriented, allergic to hype, and built for the kind of theology that doesn't flinch. On The Fringe, she brings the research, the receipts, and a refusal to let comfortable doctrine go unchallenged.

MALAINE LEA BUTLER

Deliverance-driven disciple of Jesus Christ who walked out of the New Age and into radical transformation through the power of the Gospel. Host of Kingdom Talk and founder of Eden House, she creates space for raw, deep, and confrontational conversations that call hearts into full surrender and freedom in Christ. On The Fringe, she brings fire, spiritual authority, and zero tolerance for religious performance.

The Bible is stranger, darker, and more glorious than you were taught. Let's talk about it.
Faith on the Fringe is where Leah Steele Barnett and Malaine Lea Butler explore the supernatural biblical worldview that most modern churches have quietly shelved. Spirit-Filled. Bible-Obsessed. Slightly Unhinged.
The Divine Council. Fallen Watchers. The Nephilim. Pre-flood history. Spiritual warfare with real teeth. We bring the scholarship, the Spirit, and zero religious performance.
We are not doom-scrolling through Revelation or building bunkers. This is a Kingdom-forward conversation rooted in the belief that God's story is bigger, wilder, and more victorious than mainstream theology has made room for.
For the believers who never stopped asking questions. For the Christ-followers who want the whole Bible, not just the comfortable parts. 
MEET THE HOSTS OF FAITH ON THE FRINGE
LEAH STEELE BARNETT
Faith-led cultural commentator, AI educator, and host of The Culture Cast operating at the intersection of technology, culture, and Kingdom stewardship. She examines cultural deception, belief systems, and power structures through a biblical lens. She is pattern-oriented, allergic to hype, and built for the kind of theology that doesn't flinch. On The Fringe, she brings the research, the receipts, and a refusal to let comfortable doctrine go unchallenged.
MALAINE LEA BUTLER
Deliverance-driven disciple of Jesus Christ who walked out of the New Age and into radical transformation through the power of the Gospel. Host of Kingdom Talk and founder of Eden House, she creates space for raw, deep, and confrontational conversations that call hearts into full surrender and freedom in Christ. On The Fringe, she brings fire, spiritual authority, and zero tolerance for religious performance.

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