Kara Bombell spent 15 years in senior corporate roles before she saw AI coming like a train from the side and left to do something about it. Now cofounder of EthicAI and on the Governance Institute of Australia's AI Expert Panel, she helps organisations keep humans at the helm. Kara explains why the so called soft skills are the hardest, how biased data can screen women out, why she uses AI as a sparring partner, and how a Year 8 protest at Santa Sabina shaped her conviction.

 

Key Takeaways:
Cognitive atrophy is the risk we're underestimating: If the next generation hands its questioning over to AI, Kara asks how it will ever build the critical thinking needed to challenge it.
The so called soft skills are the hardest ones: Empathy, presence, opinion, creativity, hope and vision are what AI can't do, and they have long been undervalued as feminised traits.
A human in the loop is not a human at the helm: Oversight means little unless people are given the time, context and information to genuinely own the decisions they sign off.
Use AI as a sparring partner, not a ghostwriter: Kara always writes her own first draft, then asks AI to find the holes in her argument.
Curiosity can take you further than credentials: Without a coding degree, Kara followed her curiosity from documentary film into digital, then out of corporate life to found EthicAI.
Biased data quietly produces biased decisions: When hiring tools learn from historic patterns, capable women can be screened out without anyone noticing.
Back yourself where you see a gap: Kara's advice to young women is the lesson she learnt the hard way, that the people around you rarely know more than you do.

Notable Quotes:
"I don't see AI as the next internet. It's not just another technical advance. It's actually a completely seismic change." — Kara Bombell
"Don't use it to replace your thinking. Use it to challenge your thinking." — Cynthia Myssy
"We've historically called them soft skills, but they're actually the most challenging skills." — Kara Bombell
"You can't say that the systems themselves are sexist. It's actually the data is sexist." — Kara Bombell
"There's so much opportunity if you open up into the world with that sense of curiosity." — Kara Bombell
"Realistically the work of art is yourself. It's your personality. It's your experience. It's your knowledge." — Kara Bombell
"I really needed to back myself at multiple points in my career, but I just didn't because I felt that everyone else knew something else that I didn't know." — Kara Bombell

Links for the show notes
EthicAI: https://www.ethicai.au/
Selma: selma.au
Santa Sabina Ex-Students Association: https://www.ssc.nsw.edu.au/community/ex-students-association/

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

Kara Bombell spent 15 years in senior corporate roles before she saw AI coming like a train from the side and left to do something about it. Now cofounder of EthicAI and on the Governance Institute of Australia's AI Expert Panel, she helps organisations keep humans at the helm. Kara explains why the so called soft skills are the hardest, how biased data can screen women out, why she uses AI as a sparring partner, and how a Year 8 protest at Santa Sabina shaped her conviction.
&nbsp;
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Cognitive atrophy is the risk we're underestimating: If the next generation hands its questioning over to AI, Kara asks how it will ever build the critical thinking needed to challenge it.</li>
<li aria-level="1">The so called soft skills are the hardest ones: Empathy, presence, opinion, creativity, hope and vision are what AI can't do, and they have long been undervalued as feminised traits.</li>
<li aria-level="1">A human in the loop is not a human at the helm: Oversight means little unless people are given the time, context and information to genuinely own the decisions they sign off.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Use AI as a sparring partner, not a ghostwriter: Kara always writes her own first draft, then asks AI to find the holes in her argument.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Curiosity can take you further than credentials: Without a coding degree, Kara followed her curiosity from documentary film into digital, then out of corporate life to found EthicAI.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Biased data quietly produces biased decisions: When hiring tools learn from historic patterns, capable women can be screened out without anyone noticing.</li>
<li aria-level="1">Back yourself where you see a gap: Kara's advice to young women is the lesson she learnt the hard way, that the people around you rarely know more than you do.</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ol>
<li aria-level="1">"I don't see AI as the next internet. It's not just another technical advance. It's actually a completely seismic change." &mdash; Kara Bombell</li>
<li aria-level="1">"Don't use it to replace your thinking. Use it to challenge your thinking." &mdash; Cynthia Myssy</li>
<li aria-level="1">"We've historically called them soft skills, but they're actually the most challenging skills." &mdash; Kara Bombell</li>
<li aria-level="1">"You can't say that the systems themselves are sexist. It's actually the data is sexist." &mdash; Kara Bombell</li>
<li aria-level="1">"There's so much opportunity if you open up into the world with that sense of curiosity." &mdash; Kara Bombell</li>
<li aria-level="1">"Realistically the work of art is yourself. It's your personality. It's your experience. It's your knowledge." &mdash; Kara Bombell</li>
<li aria-level="1">"I really needed to back myself at multiple points in my career, but I just didn't because I felt that everyone else knew something else that I didn't know." &mdash; Kara Bombell</li>
</ol>
Links for the show notes
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">EthicAI: <a href="https://www.ethicai.au/">https://www.ethicai.au/</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Selma: <a href="selma.au">selma.au</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Santa Sabina Ex-Students Association: <a href="https://www.ssc.nsw.edu.au/community/ex-students-association/">https://www.ssc.nsw.edu.au/community/ex-students-association/</a></li>
</ul>
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Women in AI: Keeping Humans at the Helm | Kara Bombell

Santa Sabina's first Rhodes Scholar didn't win the Rhodes on her first attempt. Dr Ashleigh Barnes missed the New South Wales place, steadied herself and went again in the national round. Now a constitutional law academic at UNSW, Ashleigh talks with Cynthia about imposter syndrome at Oxford, the school captaincy she missed, and why dignity sits at the heart of her legal work. She opens up about working with two babies under two. You'll hear why every application takes courage, and why having it all doesn't mean all at once.

Key Takeaways:
Believing everything is possible is worth protecting: Ashleigh left school sure nothing held women back, and while she later learnt otherwise, she's glad she started adulthood with that conviction.
The trajectory is only visible from the outside: what looks like a straight line was really other people tapping her on the shoulder, missteps, and working it out as she went.
Imposter syndrome does not disappear with achievement: at Oxford she felt she'd crept in and had to do double, and found most people around her were thinking the same.
Dignity sits behind the dry words of the law: her research asks judges and practitioners to look past the text of the Constitution to what its structures are trying to protect.
Every application is an act of courage: putting yourself forward means genuinely believing you could get it, which is exactly why missing out can be crushing.
Missing out can make you a better candidate: she missed both the school captaincy and the single NSW Rhodes place, then steadied herself and won in the national round.
You can have it all, just not all at once: motherhood has changed her completely, and she wants to show it openly rather than hide it as earlier women leaders often did.

Notable Quotes:
"It looks like a trajectory, but it was actually more of an up and down, a left and right, working it out as I went." — Ashleigh Barnes
"If you don't believe in yourself, the assessors will see right through you." — Ashleigh Barnes
"It was very much a case of work as if you didn't have any children." — Cynthia Myssy
"I think we can have it all but not all at once." — Ashleigh Barnes
"Should I try for that? Will I fit in? Will I be okay in this scenario? You show up anyway." — Ashleigh Barnes
"Sometimes that period of endurance actually makes you a better candidate." — Ashleigh Barnes
"I would tell her just keep going. Just keep going because all these beautiful things are ahead." — Ashleigh Barnes

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

Santa Sabina's first Rhodes Scholar didn't win the Rhodes on her first attempt. Dr Ashleigh Barnes missed the New South Wales place, steadied herself and went again in the national round. Now a constitutional law academic at UNSW, Ashleigh talks with Cynthia about imposter syndrome at Oxford, the school captaincy she missed, and why dignity sits at the heart of her legal work. She opens up about working with two babies under two. You'll hear why every application takes courage, and why having it all doesn't mean all at once.
Key Takeaways:
<ul dir="ltr">
<li>Believing everything is possible is worth protecting: Ashleigh left school sure nothing held women back, and while she later learnt otherwise, she's glad she started adulthood with that conviction.</li>
<li>The trajectory is only visible from the outside: what looks like a straight line was really other people tapping her on the shoulder, missteps, and working it out as she went.</li>
<li>Imposter syndrome does not disappear with achievement: at Oxford she felt she'd crept in and had to do double, and found most people around her were thinking the same.</li>
<li>Dignity sits behind the dry words of the law: her research asks judges and practitioners to look past the text of the Constitution to what its structures are trying to protect.</li>
<li>Every application is an act of courage: putting yourself forward means genuinely believing you could get it, which is exactly why missing out can be crushing.</li>
<li>Missing out can make you a better candidate: she missed both the school captaincy and the single NSW Rhodes place, then steadied herself and won in the national round.</li>
<li>You can have it all, just not all at once: motherhood has changed her completely, and she wants to show it openly rather than hide it as earlier women leaders often did.</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ol dir="ltr">
<li>"It looks like a trajectory, but it was actually more of an up and down, a left and right, working it out as I went." &mdash; Ashleigh Barnes</li>
<li>"If you don't believe in yourself, the assessors will see right through you." &mdash; Ashleigh Barnes</li>
<li>"It was very much a case of work as if you didn't have any children." &mdash; Cynthia Myssy</li>
<li>"I think we can have it all but not all at once." &mdash; Ashleigh Barnes</li>
<li>"Should I try for that? Will I fit in? Will I be okay in this scenario? You show up anyway." &mdash; Ashleigh Barnes</li>
<li>"Sometimes that period of endurance actually makes you a better candidate." &mdash; Ashleigh Barnes</li>
<li>"I would tell her just keep going. Just keep going because all these beautiful things are ahead." &mdash; Ashleigh Barnes</li>
</ol>
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

Imposter Syndrome, Rejection and the Rhodes | Ashleigh Barnes

Monica Serci has spent her career in family law, sitting with people at the worst moments of their lives. She's a special counsel at Walter and Elliot Family Lawyers, was named a Doyle's Guide Rising Star, and she gives her own time to advocacy work she believes in. In this conversation with Cynthia Myssy, Monica talks about the early warning signs of coercion and control, why the census undercounts what women actually do, and what happens when you treat a non negotiable as negotiable.

 

Key Takeaways:
The warning signs are built to be dismissed: Coercion and control rarely announces itself, arriving instead as a comment about a friend, a preference that your mother visits less, or an offer to take over the budget, and it is the accumulation rather than any single incident that matters.
A non negotiable has to look like one: If you treat something that is genuinely not up for discussion as though it is, it will be negotiated, which is why the moment to hold the line is early, while the thing is still small.
The legal system is a tool, not a remedy: Courts can recognise what happened to you but cannot deliver emotional repair, so going in search of validation sets you up to leave disappointed whatever the outcome.
What is not counted does not count: The census records paid hours precisely and caps unpaid domestic work at thirty, and that gap flows into the administrative systems that calculate child support, leaving two systems pointing in opposite directions.
The relationship with yourself sets the ceiling for the rest: After a career spent watching relationships end, the one Monica worked hardest on was her own, drawing a clear line between self care and selfishness and treating her own limits as maintenance rather than indulgence.
Imposter syndrome does not resolve with seniority: It is real, it is worse for women, and it persists in people with every reason to feel qualified, which makes the correction worth borrowing: you are the adult in the room.
Courage is usually quiet: The most consequential acts are often private, unrecorded and witnessed by nobody, as one small kindness in wartime Sardinia proves three generations later.

Notable Quotes:
"If you have behaviour that is a non negotiable for you, but then you treat it as a negotiable thing, it will be negotiated." — Monica Serci
"Many people are taught to keep the peace, but sometimes to your own autonomy, there's nothing more that one should protect." — Monica Serci
"Thirty hours a week is almost a joke if they were to think about everything they did." — Monica Serci
"They're not just names. They're whole worlds." — Monica Serci
"You don't need permission." — Monica Serci
"Sometimes the greatest acts are quiet and deeply personal." — Monica Serci
"I think you see things that many of us don't see." — Cynthia Myssy

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

Monica Serci has spent her career in family law, sitting with people at the worst moments of their lives. She's a special counsel at Walter and Elliot Family Lawyers, was named a Doyle's Guide Rising Star, and she gives her own time to advocacy work she believes in. In this conversation with Cynthia Myssy, Monica talks about the early warning signs of coercion and control, why the census undercounts what women actually do, and what happens when you treat a non negotiable as negotiable.
&nbsp;
Key Takeaways:
<ul dir="ltr">
<li>The warning signs are built to be dismissed: Coercion and control rarely announces itself, arriving instead as a comment about a friend, a preference that your mother visits less, or an offer to take over the budget, and it is the accumulation rather than any single incident that matters.</li>
<li>A non negotiable has to look like one: If you treat something that is genuinely not up for discussion as though it is, it will be negotiated, which is why the moment to hold the line is early, while the thing is still small.</li>
<li>The legal system is a tool, not a remedy: Courts can recognise what happened to you but cannot deliver emotional repair, so going in search of validation sets you up to leave disappointed whatever the outcome.</li>
<li>What is not counted does not count: The census records paid hours precisely and caps unpaid domestic work at thirty, and that gap flows into the administrative systems that calculate child support, leaving two systems pointing in opposite directions.</li>
<li>The relationship with yourself sets the ceiling for the rest: After a career spent watching relationships end, the one Monica worked hardest on was her own, drawing a clear line between self care and selfishness and treating her own limits as maintenance rather than indulgence.</li>
<li>Imposter syndrome does not resolve with seniority: It is real, it is worse for women, and it persists in people with every reason to feel qualified, which makes the correction worth borrowing: you are the adult in the room.</li>
<li>Courage is usually quiet: The most consequential acts are often private, unrecorded and witnessed by nobody, as one small kindness in wartime Sardinia proves three generations later.</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ol dir="ltr">
<li>"If you have behaviour that is a non negotiable for you, but then you treat it as a negotiable thing, it will be negotiated." &mdash; Monica Serci</li>
<li>"Many people are taught to keep the peace, but sometimes to your own autonomy, there's nothing more that one should protect." &mdash; Monica Serci</li>
<li>"Thirty hours a week is almost a joke if they were to think about everything they did." &mdash; Monica Serci</li>
<li>"They're not just names. They're whole worlds." &mdash; Monica Serci</li>
<li>"You don't need permission." &mdash; Monica Serci</li>
<li>"Sometimes the greatest acts are quiet and deeply personal." &mdash; Monica Serci</li>
<li>"I think you see things that many of us don't see." &mdash; Cynthia Myssy</li>
</ol>
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

Women in Family Law: Boundaries and Quiet Courage | Monica Serci

Caroline Smith started out teaching PE. She's now General Manager of Apprenticeship Careers Australia, and the road between those two things ran straight through her husband's terminal diagnosis. Caroline retrained in accounting while caring for Nigel, raising Emily, and later watching her mum slip into dementia. She'll tell you she hasn't done anything special. Cynthia Myssy disagrees. They talk career change under pressure, why resilience isn't a personality trait some women have and others lack, and why the gender gap in trades runs in both directions.

Key Takeaways:
Career Change You Did Not Choose: When Nigel was told he could no longer work, Caroline's retraining stopped being a someday idea and became a decision. She chose accounting deliberately, for employability across any industry rather than for any love of numbers.
Resilience Is Not a Personality Trait: Caroline's position is that she did nothing exceptional, that anyone facing the same circumstances would have done the same, and that capability only reveals itself once it is tested.
What a School Gives You Decades Later: She credits the strength that carried her to her teachers at Santa Sabina and to a Year 12 class in 1994, absorbed rather than taught, years before she knew she would need it.
Admitting You Cannot Do It Alone: Looking herself in the eye and accepting she could not manage on her own is what made everything afterwards possible, including keeping Nigel at home rather than in a nursing home.
Recovery Takes Longer Than the Crisis: After years of running on adrenaline, Caroline had to learn how to stop being on alert, and says she has only really managed it in the last three or four years.
The Gender Gap in Trades Runs Both Ways: Women make up as few as 4 per cent of some construction and automotive roles, men under 10 per cent in aged care and health, and Caroline argues that any field dominated by one gender will create skills shortages in that field.

Notable Quotes:
"We're all capable of it, but it just depends on whether we're ever confronted by something like that." — Caroline Smith
"You've got to look yourself in the eye and say, can I manage this on my own? And the answer is no." — Caroline Smith
"Whether they did it directly or whether you sort of picked up some of that resilience and some of that determination through osmosis, it certainly stuck." — Caroline Smith
"It just felt like everything was necessary." — Caroline Smith
"Courage is having a crack, even if it means that you're potentially going to fall over or you're going to make a fool of yourself." — Caroline Smith
"I think no one goes through life unscathed." — Cynthia Myssy

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

Caroline Smith started out teaching PE. She's now General Manager of Apprenticeship Careers Australia, and the road between those two things ran straight through her husband's terminal diagnosis. Caroline retrained in accounting while caring for Nigel, raising Emily, and later watching her mum slip into dementia. She'll tell you she hasn't done anything special. Cynthia Myssy disagrees. They talk career change under pressure, why resilience isn't a personality trait some women have and others lack, and why the gender gap in trades runs in both directions.
Key Takeaways:
<ul dir="ltr">
<li>Career Change You Did Not Choose: When Nigel was told he could no longer work, Caroline's retraining stopped being a someday idea and became a decision. She chose accounting deliberately, for employability across any industry rather than for any love of numbers.</li>
<li>Resilience Is Not a Personality Trait: Caroline's position is that she did nothing exceptional, that anyone facing the same circumstances would have done the same, and that capability only reveals itself once it is tested.</li>
<li>What a School Gives You Decades Later: She credits the strength that carried her to her teachers at Santa Sabina and to a Year 12 class in 1994, absorbed rather than taught, years before she knew she would need it.</li>
<li>Admitting You Cannot Do It Alone: Looking herself in the eye and accepting she could not manage on her own is what made everything afterwards possible, including keeping Nigel at home rather than in a nursing home.</li>
<li>Recovery Takes Longer Than the Crisis: After years of running on adrenaline, Caroline had to learn how to stop being on alert, and says she has only really managed it in the last three or four years.</li>
<li>The Gender Gap in Trades Runs Both Ways: Women make up as few as 4 per cent of some construction and automotive roles, men under 10 per cent in aged care and health, and Caroline argues that any field dominated by one gender will create skills shortages in that field.</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ol dir="ltr">
<li>"We're all capable of it, but it just depends on whether we're ever confronted by something like that." &mdash; Caroline Smith</li>
<li>"You've got to look yourself in the eye and say, can I manage this on my own? And the answer is no." &mdash; Caroline Smith</li>
<li>"Whether they did it directly or whether you sort of picked up some of that resilience and some of that determination through osmosis, it certainly stuck." &mdash; Caroline Smith</li>
<li>"It just felt like everything was necessary." &mdash; Caroline Smith</li>
<li>"Courage is having a crack, even if it means that you're potentially going to fall over or you're going to make a fool of yourself." &mdash; Caroline Smith</li>
<li>"I think no one goes through life unscathed." &mdash; Cynthia Myssy</li>
</ol>
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

Career Change, Caring and Losing a Husband |Caroline Smith

About the Guest

Howard Brown is an advocate for victims of crime in Australia with over three decades of dedication to helping victims and their families navigate the judicial system. His journey into advocacy began after the traumatic murder of his client and friend, Andrew, in 1988. Howard's relentless commitment has led to significant legal reforms, including the integration of victim impact statements in the judicial process. He has served on influential bodies like the New South Wales Sentencing Council and the New South Wales Victims Advisory Board, earning him the Medal of the Order of Australia in 2004 for his extraordinary service.

Key Takeaways:
Howard Brown's advocacy work was initiated by personal tragedy, which spurred him to support victims through a frequently indifferent justice system.
Victim impact statements, a significant reform Howard helped to implement, are crucial in ensuring victims' voices are heard in court.
Despite the extensive personal and financial costs, Howard continues his work pro bono, driven by a profound sense of duty and capability.
Howard’s expertise and passion have influenced major legal reforms in Australia, advocating for more transparent justice systems.
His personal experiences with trauma, and disease have deepened his empathy and commitment to advocating for others.

Notable Quotes:
"Someone has to stand up." – Howard Brown reflecting on his decision to advocate after Andrew's murder.
"Once the jury has reached a verdict… a judge then has to evaluate what type of punishment is appropriate for the defendant." – Howard on the importance of victim impact statements.
"If you live a life devoid of emotion… you're a psychopath." – Highlighting the necessity of empathy in justice.
"You need to support those people because dealing with such a tragedy is so enormously difficult." – Howard on supporting crime victims.
"The Santa ethos has led my life the way it is." – Howard expressing how his education and upbringing shaped his values.

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

About the Guest
Howard Brown is an advocate for victims of crime in Australia with over three decades of dedication to helping victims and their families navigate the judicial system. His journey into advocacy began after the traumatic murder of his client and friend, Andrew, in 1988. Howard's relentless commitment has led to significant legal reforms, including the integration of victim impact statements in the judicial process. He has served on influential bodies like the New South Wales Sentencing Council and the New South Wales Victims Advisory Board, earning him the Medal of the Order of Australia in 2004 for his extraordinary service.
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li>Howard Brown's advocacy work was initiated by personal tragedy, which spurred him to support victims through a frequently indifferent justice system.</li>
<li>Victim impact statements, a significant reform Howard helped to implement, are crucial in ensuring victims' voices are heard in court.</li>
<li>Despite the extensive personal and financial costs, Howard continues his work pro bono, driven by a profound sense of duty and capability.</li>
<li>Howard&rsquo;s expertise and passion have influenced major legal reforms in Australia, advocating for more transparent justice systems.</li>
<li>His personal experiences with trauma, and disease have deepened his empathy and commitment to advocating for others.</li>
</ul>
Notable Quotes:
<ul>
<li>"Someone has to stand up." &ndash; Howard Brown reflecting on his decision to advocate after Andrew's murder.</li>
<li>"Once the jury has reached a verdict&hellip; a judge then has to evaluate what type of punishment is appropriate for the defendant." &ndash; Howard on the importance of victim impact statements.</li>
<li>"If you live a life devoid of emotion&hellip; you're a psychopath." &ndash; Highlighting the necessity of empathy in justice.</li>
<li>"You need to support those people because dealing with such a tragedy is so enormously difficult." &ndash; Howard on supporting crime victims.</li>
<li>"The Santa ethos has led my life the way it is." &ndash; Howard expressing how his education and upbringing shaped his values.</li>
</ul>
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

Victim Advocacy: 36 Years, Mostly Unpaid | Howard Brown

Monica Attard is a renowned Australian journalist celebrated for her work with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) as a foreign correspondent in Russia during the collapse of the Soviet Union, a tenure that earned her international recognition and the prestigious Gold Walkley Award. With a journalism career spanning more than four decades, she has been acknowledged with the Order of Australia Medal for her contributions to journalism. Currently, Monica serves as the head of journalism at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS), where she influences the next generation of journalists, focusing on ethics, truth-telling, and public accountability.

Key Takeaways:

Monica Attard's career was shaped significantly by her experiences as a foreign correspondent in Russia, particularly during the Soviet Union's collapse.

The episode highlights the challenges journalists face in maintaining impartiality amidst a shifting media landscape and digital transformation.

Monica emphasises the potential of young journalists to make meaningful impacts in the industry, provided they adhere to foundational ethics and objectivity.

The discussion underscores the evolving nature of journalism, with emerging voices often blending advocacy with traditional reporting.

Monica shares her personal journey and the influence of her educational background at Santa Sabina College on her career and ethical standards.

Notable Quotes:

"It's one of those things where you just never live it down and you regret forevermore that it was ever publicly known." - Monica Attard

"The west didn't handle the collapse particularly well. And as a result, you know, we have Vladimir Putin motivated by grievance with the way the west has treated Russia." - Monica Attard

"Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the geopolitics of the world has been kind of spun on its head." - Monica Attard

"In my view, journalism that's not impartial is not journalism." - Monica Attard

"I never, ever questioned my place in leadership. You know, I never did. I just never did." - Monica Attard

Resources:
Monica Attard's profile at the University of Technology Sydney: UTS Journalism
Santa Sabina College Ex Students Association: Santa Sabina College

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

Monica Attard is a renowned Australian journalist celebrated for her work with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) as a foreign correspondent in Russia during the collapse of the Soviet Union, a tenure that earned her international recognition and the prestigious Gold Walkley Award. With a journalism career spanning more than four decades, she has been acknowledged with the Order of Australia Medal for her contributions to journalism. Currently, Monica serves as the head of journalism at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS), where she influences the next generation of journalists, focusing on ethics, truth-telling, and public accountability.
Key Takeaways:
Monica Attard's career was shaped significantly by her experiences as a foreign correspondent in Russia, particularly during the Soviet Union's collapse.
The episode highlights the challenges journalists face in maintaining impartiality amidst a shifting media landscape and digital transformation.
Monica emphasises the potential of young journalists to make meaningful impacts in the industry, provided they adhere to foundational ethics and objectivity.
The discussion underscores the evolving nature of journalism, with emerging voices often blending advocacy with traditional reporting.
Monica shares her personal journey and the influence of her educational background at Santa Sabina College on her career and ethical standards.
Notable Quotes:
"It's one of those things where you just never live it down and you regret forevermore that it was ever publicly known." - Monica Attard
"The west didn't handle the collapse particularly well. And as a result, you know, we have Vladimir Putin motivated by grievance with the way the west has treated Russia." - Monica Attard
"Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the geopolitics of the world has been kind of spun on its head." - Monica Attard
"In my view, journalism that's not impartial is not journalism." - Monica Attard
"I never, ever questioned my place in leadership. You know, I never did. I just never did." - Monica Attard
Resources:
<ul>
<li>Monica Attard's profile at the University of Technology Sydney: <a href="https://profiles.uts.edu.au/Monica.Attard">UTS Journalism</a></li>
<li>Santa Sabina College Ex Students Association: <a href="https://www.ssc.nsw.edu.au/">Santa Sabina College</a></li>
</ul>
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Monica Attard on Truth, Courage, and Change

About the Guest:

Carolee Williamson swapped corporate finance at Ernst & Young for one of the world's toughest gigs—U.S. diplomacy in crisis zones. Over 15 years, she's navigated complex assignments across Kabul, Beirut, Jerusalem, Washington, Kuwait, and Ho Chi Minh City, leading teams through genuine life-or-death situations.

What makes Carolee's story compelling isn't just her diplomatic achievements—it's her advocacy for mental health and community building while serving American foreign policy interests in some of the planet's most challenging environments.

Key Takeaways:

Carolee Williamson emphasises the importance of intention and active choice in career progression, focusing on skills that are transferable globally.

Her transition from corporate finance to diplomacy was driven by a desire to make a global impact and contribute to meaningful change.

Carolee shares profound insights into building community and fostering inclusivity, especially while living abroad.

The conversation highlights the crucial role of language skills in immersion and understanding cultural nuances, enhancing diplomatic relations.

Carolee advocates for mental health awareness, emphasising personal care routines and institutional changes to support wellbeing in high-stress environments.

Notable Quotes:

"I like to make every day matter. Every day we're here, we're doing something, we're not just existing."

"When you move around so often, you really have to not be willing to say no to an invitation."

"It's important when you're doing that to still create a safe space for people."

"You've got to go out and try and meet people. You can't just sit in your house alone."

"You can't understand a culture unless you've at least understood a little bit of the language."

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

About the Guest:
Carolee Williamson swapped corporate finance at Ernst &amp; Young for one of the world's toughest gigs&mdash;U.S. diplomacy in crisis zones. Over 15 years, she's navigated complex assignments across Kabul, Beirut, Jerusalem, Washington, Kuwait, and Ho Chi Minh City, leading teams through genuine life-or-death situations.
What makes Carolee's story compelling isn't just her diplomatic achievements&mdash;it's her advocacy for mental health and community building while serving American foreign policy interests in some of the planet's most challenging environments.
Key Takeaways:
Carolee Williamson emphasises the importance of intention and active choice in career progression, focusing on skills that are transferable globally.
Her transition from corporate finance to diplomacy was driven by a desire to make a global impact and contribute to meaningful change.
Carolee shares profound insights into building community and fostering inclusivity, especially while living abroad.
The conversation highlights the crucial role of language skills in immersion and understanding cultural nuances, enhancing diplomatic relations.
Carolee advocates for mental health awareness, emphasising personal care routines and institutional changes to support wellbeing in high-stress environments.
Notable Quotes:
"I like to make every day matter. Every day we're here, we're doing something, we're not just existing."
"When you move around so often, you really have to not be willing to say no to an invitation."
"It's important when you're doing that to still create a safe space for people."
"You've got to go out and try and meet people. You can't just sit in your house alone."
"You can't understand a culture unless you've at least understood a little bit of the language."
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

Carolee Williamson's Adventures - Santa Sabina to Washington

About the Guests:

Paula Duncan AM: An acclaimed Australian actress, Paula Duncan has received multiple Logie Awards and an Order of Australia for her contributions to acting and charity work. She is also an ambassador for women's health and actively involved in organizations supporting people with disabilities.

Bridget Clark: Accomplished rugby player, Bridget Clark is a prominent member of the Australian national Rugby Sevens team and an Olympian who competed in the Paris 2024 games. Her commitment to the sport exemplifies dedication and perseverance.

Amy Rickson: Currently the Chief People Officer at Hub24 Limited, Amy Rickson specializes in human resources with a focus on gender equality in the workplace. She speaks passionately about bridging inequality and supporting women in their careers.

Annabelle Cowley: A software engineer at Canva and diversity and inclusion advocate at UTS, Annabelle Cowley is invested in making the tech industry more inclusive and equitable for women and minorities.

Episode Summary:

This episode of "Exceptional," we dive into Santa Sabina College's International Women's Day event "March Forward"—a powerful panel showcasing how Old Girls are smashing barriers across Australia.

Paula Duncan kicks things off with her no-nonsense approach to resilience, sharing how she pushes through when the pressure's on. Then Bridget Clark takes us from local rugby fields straight to Olympic glory. Amy Rickson and Annabelle Cowley tackle the workplace challenges women face daily. They address bias issues plaguing Australia's tech industry or how these systemic problems block career advancement. Instead, they share practical strategies for navigating these challenges while pushing for genuine diversity and inclusion.

Key Takeaways:

Resilience in Action: Paula Duncan emphasizes the importance of not giving up and trusting your instincts, as demonstrated through her personal and professional experiences.

Perseverance in Sports: Bridget Clark testifies to the power of hard work and perseverance, sharing her journey from a student at Santa Sabina to an Olympic rugby player.

Gender Equality: Amy Rickson discusses the barriers in workplaces regarding gender equality and highlights systemic biases and the solutions being implemented to promote diversity.

Financial Independence: Guests stress the importance of financial literacy and independence for young women, encouraging education and self-advocacy.

Supportive Community: The episode underscores the importance of community, mentorship, and the role of women's networks in advancing personal and professional growth.

Notable Quotes:

Paula Duncan: "Persistency, endurance, bravery, and courage are strong elements in the areas I've worked in."

Bridget Clark: "The hard work really does pay off; perseverance really paid off."

Amy Rickson: "Unconscious bias is the number one challenge—it exists everywhere, and understanding it is crucial."

Annabelle Cowley: "Spend your time where you're happiest; enjoy what's in front of you right now."

Paula Duncan: "Trust your instincts more—mentally, physically, and emotionally."

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

About the Guests:
Paula Duncan AM: An acclaimed Australian actress, Paula Duncan has received multiple Logie Awards and an Order of Australia for her contributions to acting and charity work. She is also an ambassador for women's health and actively involved in organizations supporting people with disabilities.
Bridget Clark: Accomplished rugby player, Bridget Clark is a prominent member of the Australian national Rugby Sevens team and an Olympian who competed in the Paris 2024 games. Her commitment to the sport exemplifies dedication and perseverance.
Amy Rickson: Currently the Chief People Officer at Hub24 Limited, Amy Rickson specializes in human resources with a focus on gender equality in the workplace. She speaks passionately about bridging inequality and supporting women in their careers.
Annabelle Cowley: A software engineer at Canva and diversity and inclusion advocate at UTS, Annabelle Cowley is invested in making the tech industry more inclusive and equitable for women and minorities.
Episode Summary:
This episode of "Exceptional," we dive into Santa Sabina College's International Women's Day event "March Forward"&mdash;a powerful panel showcasing how Old Girls are smashing barriers across Australia.
Paula Duncan kicks things off with her no-nonsense approach to resilience, sharing how she pushes through when the pressure's on. Then Bridget Clark takes us from local rugby fields straight to Olympic glory.&nbsp;Amy Rickson and Annabelle Cowley tackle the workplace challenges women face daily. They address bias issues plaguing Australia's tech industry or how these systemic problems block career advancement. Instead, they share practical strategies for navigating these challenges while pushing for genuine diversity and inclusion.
Key Takeaways:
Resilience in Action: Paula Duncan emphasizes the importance of not giving up and trusting your instincts, as demonstrated through her personal and professional experiences.
Perseverance in Sports: Bridget Clark testifies to the power of hard work and perseverance, sharing her journey from a student at Santa Sabina to an Olympic rugby player.
Gender Equality: Amy Rickson discusses the barriers in workplaces regarding gender equality and highlights systemic biases and the solutions being implemented to promote diversity.
Financial Independence: Guests stress the importance of financial literacy and independence for young women, encouraging education and self-advocacy.
Supportive Community: The episode underscores the importance of community, mentorship, and the role of women's networks in advancing personal and professional growth.
Notable Quotes:
Paula Duncan: "Persistency, endurance, bravery, and courage are strong elements in the areas I've worked in."
Bridget Clark: "The hard work really does pay off; perseverance really paid off."
Amy Rickson: "Unconscious bias is the number one challenge&mdash;it exists everywhere, and understanding it is crucial."
Annabelle Cowley: "Spend your time where you're happiest; enjoy what's in front of you right now."
Paula Duncan: "Trust your instincts more&mdash;mentally, physically, and emotionally."
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

International Women's Day 2025

Jane Sulis is a distinguished alumna of Santa Sabina College and a former college vice captain. With a career dedicated to education and social justice, Jane has made significant contributions as a teacher, mentor, and community advocate. Her commitment to the Dominican values of truth, compassion, and service has been recognized with the Medal of the Order of Australia in 2023 for her relentless service to the community. Her work encompasses various initiatives, from supporting homeless services to aiding refugee students, revealing a deep-rooted passion for making a positive impact.

Key Takeaways:

Jane Sulis underscores the importance of community, compassion, and truth, reflecting on how these values, learned at Santa Sabina College, shaped her career and personal life.

The power of debate and public speaking as critical tools for confidence and leadership, enriching Jane's role as an educator and advocate.

Faith as a guiding principle: Jane shares how her Christian beliefs inform her commitment to social justice and aid her during personal hardships.

Jane’s journey exemplifies how education goes beyond academics, fostering a humanitarian spirit and a sense of purpose.

A call to action: Jane's experiences highlight that while one person cannot change the world, they can make a difference in their community and beyond.

Notable Quotes:

"You teach what you are." This profound statement influenced Jane’s approach to education, emphasising authenticity and integrity.

"I had a very simplistic faith, but that's probably where it started to grow."

"You can't help everybody, but you can help somebody, so get on with the ones you can help."

"I'd like to think it's validated somewhere along the way. If I could be remembered as a good teacher, that would tick a box too."

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

Jane Sulis is a distinguished alumna of Santa Sabina College and a former college vice captain. With a career dedicated to education and social justice, Jane has made significant contributions as a teacher, mentor, and community advocate. Her commitment to the Dominican values of truth, compassion, and service has been recognized with the Medal of the Order of Australia in 2023 for her relentless service to the community. Her work encompasses various initiatives, from supporting homeless services to aiding refugee students, revealing a deep-rooted passion for making a positive impact.
Key Takeaways:
Jane Sulis underscores the importance of community, compassion, and truth, reflecting on how these values, learned at Santa Sabina College, shaped her career and personal life.
The power of debate and public speaking as critical tools for confidence and leadership, enriching Jane's role as an educator and advocate.
Faith as a guiding principle: Jane shares how her Christian beliefs inform her commitment to social justice and aid her during personal hardships.
Jane&rsquo;s journey exemplifies how education goes beyond academics, fostering a humanitarian spirit and a sense of purpose.
A call to action: Jane's experiences highlight that while one person cannot change the world, they can make a difference in their community and beyond.
Notable Quotes:
"You teach what you are." This profound statement influenced Jane&rsquo;s approach to education, emphasising authenticity and integrity.
"I had a very simplistic faith, but that's probably where it started to grow."
"You can't help everybody, but you can help somebody, so get on with the ones you can help."
"I'd like to think it's validated somewhere along the way. If I could be remembered as a good teacher, that would tick a box too."
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

Jane Sulis OAM - Truth, Compassion and Community

If you need support after listening to this episode you can call Lifeline on 13 11 14. 

Siobhan Toohill is a pioneering leader in corporate sustainability and social impact. As the first Chief Sustainability Officer at Westpac, she was instrumental in shaping the bank's climate strategy, human rights initiatives, and purpose-led leadership. A recipient of the prestigious Women in Leadership Award in the banking sector, Toohill has always been at the forefront of sustainable policy design and implementation. She continues to lead in the arenas of nature governance and sustainable finance, contributing globally to the evolution of sustainable banking practices.

Key Takeaways:

Siobhan Toohill emphasises the significance of leading with values and knowing when to transition roles after impactful contributions.

Her work at Westpac highlights the shift from sustainability being a niche area to integral to everyday banking operations.

Through global initiatives, Toohill influenced the financial sector, advocating for environmental and human rights policies in banking.

Reflecting on her education at Santa Sabina College, she credits its strong values and critical thinking focus as influential in her career.

Toohill's insights into effective leadership stress vulnerability, decisiveness, and the empowerment of others to foster change.

Notable Quotes:

"These decisions are so hard... what got me here won't get me there and knowing that you need to change."

"I think if I'm hurting, I'm learning, and I really hurt through that experience, but I learned so much."

"To really lift sustainability, lift its profile within the organisation, confidence around the business to make some of the big commitments…was a substantive moment."

"And I think the difficult moments are the most critical moments for change."

"It's so important to find great leaders to work for."

For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at santaexstudents@gmail.com. Join the conversation on  Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group. 

If you need support after listening to this episode you can call Lifeline on 13 11 14.&nbsp;
Siobhan Toohill is a pioneering leader in corporate sustainability and social impact. As the first Chief Sustainability Officer at Westpac, she was instrumental in shaping the bank's climate strategy, human rights initiatives, and purpose-led leadership. A recipient of the prestigious Women in Leadership Award in the banking sector, Toohill has always been at the forefront of sustainable policy design and implementation. She continues to lead in the arenas of nature governance and sustainable finance, contributing globally to the evolution of sustainable banking practices.
Key Takeaways:
Siobhan Toohill emphasises the significance of leading with values and knowing when to transition roles after impactful contributions.
Her work at Westpac highlights the shift from sustainability being a niche area to integral to everyday banking operations.
Through global initiatives, Toohill influenced the financial sector, advocating for environmental and human rights policies in banking.
Reflecting on her education at Santa Sabina College, she credits its strong values and critical thinking focus as influential in her career.
Toohill's insights into effective leadership stress vulnerability, decisiveness, and the empowerment of others to foster change.
Notable Quotes:
"These decisions are so hard... what got me here won't get me there and knowing that you need to change."
"I think if I'm hurting, I'm learning, and I really hurt through that experience, but I learned so much."
"To really lift sustainability, lift its profile within the organisation, confidence around the business to make some of the big commitments&hellip;was a substantive moment."
"And I think the difficult moments are the most critical moments for change."
"It's so important to find great leaders to work for."
For any thoughts, comments and suggestions regarding this episode, feel free to contact us at <a href="mailto:santaexstudents@gmail.com">santaexstudents@gmail.com.</a> Join the conversation on &nbsp;<a href="https://www.facebook.com/santasabinacollegealumni/">Santa Sabina College Alumni Facebook Group</a>.&nbsp;

Siobhan Toohill - Sustainability and Social Impact

Stories, conversation and wisdom from the Santa Sabina Ex-Student’s community. Season two focuses on 'Legacy in Action' with Cynthia Myssy (Santa Alumni) as the host for this season

Stories, conversation and wisdom from the Santa Sabina Ex-Student&rsquo;s community. Season two focuses on 'Legacy in Action' with Cynthia Myssy (Santa Alumni) as the host for this season

Exceptional

Stories, conversation and wisdom from the Santa Sabina Ex-Student’s community. 

Stories, conversation and wisdom from the Santa Sabina Ex-Student&rsquo;s community.&nbsp;

Exceptional

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