We all experience seasons where all we can do is scratch our heads and say, “WHAT EVEN HAPPENED?!” 

Dr. Francis Collins led the National Institutes of Health during 2020—our season of collective “WHAT EVEN HAPPENED!?” He is still picking up the pieces of heartbreak from how people responded to one another and to science at the time. Yet he hasn’t lost his faith in humanity. 

In this conversation, Kate and Francis discuss: 

• Why faith and science seem at odds (and why they shouldn’t be)

• The importance of doubt and asking questions

• What happens when institutions (or their leaders) let us down and you’ll hear quite the case on practicing interdependence.

• How we might all have enough foolishness to imagine we can be part of bridging the great divides we see. 

If you liked this episode, you might also love: 

• Angela Williams on the importance of community care

• Maggie Jackson on what staying open-minded offers us

• David Brooks on asking better questions

To hear more conversations on science and faith with top scientists and Christian leaders, check out BioLogos’s Language of God podcast.

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