We all experience seasons where all we can do is scratch our heads and say, “WHAT EVEN HAPPENED?!” 

Dr. Francis Collins led the National Institutes of Health during 2020—our season of collective “WHAT EVEN HAPPENED!?” He is still picking up the pieces of heartbreak from how people responded to one another and to science at the time. Yet he hasn’t lost his faith in humanity. 

In this conversation, Kate and Francis discuss: 


Why faith and science seem at odds (and why they shouldn’t be)


The importance of doubt and asking questions


What happens when institutions (or their leaders) let us down and you’ll hear quite the case on practicing interdependence.


How we might all have enough foolishness to imagine we can be part of bridging the great divides we see. 

If you liked this episode, you might also love: 


Angela Williams on the importance of community care


Maggie Jackson on what staying open-minded offers us


David Brooks on asking better questions

To hear more conversations on science and faith with top scientists and Christian leaders, check out BioLogos’s Language of God podcast.



Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by clicking here or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts.

Follow Kate on Instagram, Facebook, or X (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler. Links to social pages and more available at linktr.ee/katecbowler.

We all experience seasons where all we can do is scratch our heads and say, “WHAT EVEN HAPPENED?!” 
Dr. Francis Collins led the National Institutes of Health during 2020—our season of collective “WHAT EVEN HAPPENED!?” He is still picking up the pieces of heartbreak from how people responded to one another and to science at the time. Yet he hasn’t lost his faith in humanity. 
In this conversation, Kate and Francis discuss: 
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Why faith and science seem at odds (and why they shouldn’t be)
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The importance of doubt and asking questions
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What happens when institutions (or their leaders) let us down and you’ll hear quite the case on practicing interdependence.
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How we might all have enough foolishness to imagine we can be part of bridging the great divides we see. 
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If you liked this episode, you might also love: 
<ul>
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<a href="https://katebowler.com/podcasts/the-caring-power-of-community/">Angela Williams</a> on the importance of community care
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<a href="https://katebowler.com/podcasts/the-wisdom-of-uncertainty/">Maggie Jackson</a> on what staying open-minded offers us
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<a href="https://katebowler.com/podcasts/how-to-really-know-someone/">David Brooks</a> on asking better questions
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</ul>
To hear more conversations on science and faith with top scientists and Christian leaders, check out BioLogos’s <a href="http://biologos.org/podcast">Language of God podcast</a>.
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Watch clips from this conversation, read the full transcript, and access discussion questions by <a href="https://katebowler.com/podcast/">clicking here</a> or visiting katebowler.com/podcasts.
Follow Kate on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/katecbowler/">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/katecbowler">Facebook</a>, or <a href="https://twitter.com/KatecBowler">X</a> (formerly known as Twitter)—@katecbowler. Links to social pages and more available at linktr.ee/katecbowler.

Are you living your best life now? Not always? This is a podcast for you. Duke Professor Kate Bowler is an expert in the stories we tell about success and failure, suffering and happiness. She had Stage IV cancer. Then she didn’t. And since then, all she wants to do is talk to funny and wise people about how to live with the knowledge that, well, everything happens.  Find her online at @katecbowler.

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Are you living your best life now? Not always? This is a podcast for you. Duke Professor Kate Bowler is an expert in the stories we tell about success and failure, suffering and happiness. She had Stage IV cancer. Then she didn’t. And since then, all she wants to do is talk to funny and wise people about how to live with the knowledge that, well, everything happens.  Find her online at @katecbowler.
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