Host Don Hawkins Interviews two guests. Dr Greg Bourgond holds a doctorate of ministry in church leadership and a doctorate in instructional technology, and has founded heart of a warrior ministries. Russ Olmon is a veteran pastoral leader and consultant based in the DFW area. These men have co-authored the book The Winter of your life: If You're not Dead, You're not Done and they join host Don Hawkins to talk about it.